1 2015-11-04T00:00:23  <jcorgan> amazing
  2 2015-11-04T00:01:55  <sipa> we've had those for ages
  3 2015-11-04T00:18:33  <dcousens> I don't know how it happens so often...
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  5 2015-11-04T00:22:39  <GitHub123> [bitcoin] gmaxwell closed pull request #6935: 0.10 (master...0.10) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6935
  6 2015-11-04T00:23:22  <phantomcircuit> dcousens, shiny green button
  7 2015-11-04T00:23:31  <dcousens> lol
  8 2015-11-04T00:23:45  <dcousens> But, they don't even apologize, or close it
  9 2015-11-04T00:24:03  <dcousens> Just straight up "everything is fine"
 10 2015-11-04T00:24:38  <gmaxwell> what the heck is this? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6935#issuecomment-153528620
 11 2015-11-04T00:24:51  <gmaxwell> dcousens: I think a lot of the people who do this don't read english very well.
 12 2015-11-04T00:25:13  <gmaxwell> if so, their derpy behavior is much more understandable.
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 14 2015-11-04T00:26:04  <sipa> gmaxwell: github being confused and showing comments on commits in the PR
 15 2015-11-04T00:27:50  <jcorgan> is github the blockchain.info of web-based repositories? :-)
 16 2015-11-04T00:28:20  <sipa> yes
 17 2015-11-04T00:30:48  <gmaxwell> sipa: oh right, I forgot about that, it looked like a comment on the psycho PR. It's normally more obvious.
 18 2015-11-04T00:47:19  <dcousens> gmaxwell: ah, no, there are commits on the PR, but that last one is fresh AFAIK
 19 2015-11-04T00:47:27  <dcousens> comments on the commits*
 20 2015-11-04T00:48:13  <dcousens> Ref, its an "issuecomment", not a "commitcomment"
 21 2015-11-04T00:48:17  <dcousens> See your link above
 22 2015-11-04T00:48:28  <gmaxwell> interesting.
 23 2015-11-04T00:49:30  <dcousens> subtle version of 'wut'
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 32 2015-11-04T01:03:22  <GitHub186> [bitcoin] arowser opened pull request #6937: Fix Boots 1.58.0 build for mips arch (master...mips-options-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6937
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 35 2015-11-04T01:05:05  <arowser> The Boost 1.58 can't support build for MIPS32 on a x86_64 machine, its a known bug https://github.com/boostorg/build/pull/71
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 59 2015-11-04T05:02:01  <midnightmagic> You *may* wish to temporarily /mode * +b $j:#bitcoin-global-bans while we track that guy.
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 84 2015-11-04T07:23:37  <MarcoFalke> wumpus, fyi. ERROR: cannot verify dev.visucore.com's certificate:
 85 2015-11-04T07:23:37  <MarcoFalke>   Issued certificate has expired.
 86 2015-11-04T07:24:43  <wumpus> yeh, need to replace them
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 88 2015-11-04T07:25:43  <wumpus> it's that time of the year again
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124 2015-11-04T09:14:11  <wumpus> ok, certs upgraded @MarcoFalke
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137 2015-11-04T10:09:07  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: regarding https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6917#issuecomment-153667846 ... do you thing a sudden VMWare shutdown will emulate the problem realistic enought?
138 2015-11-04T10:09:16  <jonasschnelli> Is it even required to fully catch up the chain?
139 2015-11-04T10:09:27  <jonasschnelli> (still ~40weeks behing)
140 2015-11-04T10:09:32  <jonasschnelli> *behind
141 2015-11-04T10:09:58  <wumpus> jonasschnelli: a sudden VM shutdown is somewhat realistic yes
142 2015-11-04T10:10:40  <jonasschnelli> okay.. will try as soon as i have access to that machine.
143 2015-11-04T10:10:49  <wumpus> you don't need to catch up with the chain - it does make sense to wait for the dbcache to be flushed a few times, but it's easy enough to reproduce around ~200000
144 2015-11-04T10:12:11  <wumpus> (supposing you stick to default dbcache number and don't set it to 4GB so that nothing ever gets flushed)
145 2015-11-04T10:13:59  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: I'm using default values... just double-clicked bitcoin-qt.exe
146 2015-11-04T10:14:03  <wumpus> ok
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149 2015-11-04T10:45:59  <GitHub158> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 5 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/42f339ef780b...aca0c00ae1fc
150 2015-11-04T10:46:00  <GitHub158> bitcoin/master caa3d42 Luke Dashjr: Bugfix: RPC: blockchain: Display correct defaults in help for verifychain method
151 2015-11-04T10:46:00  <GitHub158> bitcoin/master 420a82f Luke Dashjr: Bugfix: Describe dblogsize option correctly (it refers to the wallet database, not memory pool)
152 2015-11-04T10:46:01  <GitHub158> bitcoin/master 5f9260f Luke Dashjr: Bugfix: If genproclimit is omitted to RPC setgenerate, don't change it; also show correct default in getmininginfo
153 2015-11-04T10:46:07  <GitHub126> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #6905: Use constants and minor fixes by luke-jr (master...lukejr-constants-no-mergeConf) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6905
154 2015-11-04T11:03:02  <GitHub120> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #6938: build: If both Qt4 and Qt5 are installed, use Qt5 (master...2015_11_prefer_qt5) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6938
155 2015-11-04T11:08:37  <GitHub113> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/aca0c00ae1fc...29c3c43e19ca
156 2015-11-04T11:08:37  <GitHub113> bitcoin/master 35bb381 Wladimir J. van der Laan: build: Improve build instructions...
157 2015-11-04T11:08:38  <GitHub113> bitcoin/master 29c3c43 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #6933...
158 2015-11-04T11:08:42  <GitHub159> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #6933: build: Improve build instructions (master...2015_10_modernize_linux_build_instructions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6933
159 2015-11-04T11:10:58  <GitHub11> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/29c3c43e19ca...aa03fb35c4b3
160 2015-11-04T11:10:58  <GitHub11> bitcoin/master de0499d João Barbosa: Fix ZMQ Notification initialization and shutdown...
161 2015-11-04T11:10:59  <GitHub11> bitcoin/master aa03fb3 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #6927...
162 2015-11-04T11:11:05  <GitHub24> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #6927: Fix ZMQ Notification initialization and shutdown (master...bugfix/zmq-initialization-shutdown) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6927
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164 2015-11-04T11:27:07  <MarcoFalke> wumpus, anything left  to improve https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6669 ?
165 2015-11-04T11:29:14  <wumpus> don't think so
166 2015-11-04T11:31:07  <GitHub172> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/aa03fb35c4b3...8a95a18562b2
167 2015-11-04T11:31:08  <GitHub172> bitcoin/master 6b0e622 MarcoFalke: [wallet] Refactor to use new MIN_CHANGE...
168 2015-11-04T11:31:09  <GitHub172> bitcoin/master a9c73a1 MarcoFalke: [wallet] Add comments for doxygen
169 2015-11-04T11:31:09  <GitHub172> bitcoin/master 6342a48 MarcoFalke: Init: Use DEFAULT_TRANSACTION_MINFEE in help message
170 2015-11-04T11:31:12  <GitHub90> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #6669: [wallet] Refactor to use new MIN_CHANGE (master...MarcoFalke-2015-walletCleanup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6669
171 2015-11-04T11:43:07  <MarcoFalke> Good to see this merged.
172 2015-11-04T11:43:24  <GitHub61> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #6939: [wallet] [qa] check MAX_STANDARD_TX_SIZE (master...MarcoFalke-2015-largeTx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6939
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174 2015-11-04T12:06:28  <GitHub84> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8a95a18562b2...c702521a8564
175 2015-11-04T12:06:29  <GitHub84> bitcoin/master 28313b8 MarcoFalke: [qt] Use fixed pitch font for the rpc console...
176 2015-11-04T12:06:29  <GitHub84> bitcoin/master 268b79e MarcoFalke: [qt] rpcconsole: Scale monospace font to 95%
177 2015-11-04T12:06:30  <GitHub84> bitcoin/master c702521 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #6864...
178 2015-11-04T12:06:38  <GitHub18> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #6864: [qt] Use monospace font (master...MarcoFalke-2015-qtMonospace) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6864
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190 2015-11-04T15:15:08  <GitHub17> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #6939: [wallet] [qa] check MAX_STANDARD_TX_SIZE (master...MarcoFalke-2015-largeTx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6939
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199 2015-11-04T15:43:28  <GitHub145> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c702521a8564...193f7b553e0a
200 2015-11-04T15:43:29  <GitHub145> bitcoin/master dbacc69 Wladimir J. van der Laan: build: If both Qt4 and Qt5 are installed, use Qt5...
201 2015-11-04T15:43:29  <GitHub145> bitcoin/master 193f7b5 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #6938...
202 2015-11-04T15:43:38  <GitHub40> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #6938: build: If both Qt4 and Qt5 are installed, use Qt5 (master...2015_11_prefer_qt5) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6938
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210 2015-11-04T16:51:56  <GitHub178> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #6917: leveldb: Win32WritableFile without memory mapping (master...2015_10_leveldb_win_nomap) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6917
211 2015-11-04T16:52:25  <bsm1175321> Yay!
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215 2015-11-04T17:58:37  <wangchun> We've lately got lots of 20000-sigop blocks, it seems someone is flooding the network with 144-sigop and 225-sigop transactions
216 2015-11-04T18:09:15  <petertodd> wangchun: link to such a tx? luke-jr had some code to filter that stuff out
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219 2015-11-04T18:33:56  <gmaxwell> Was there any argument against my proposal for making the effective fee rate based on max(size, sigops/20k*max_block_size) instead of size?
220 2015-11-04T18:34:10  <gmaxwell> for ordinary txn there is no change.
221 2015-11-04T18:37:23  <gmaxwell> petertodd: do you see any problem with that approach?
222 2015-11-04T18:41:42  <petertodd> gmaxwell: none, and luke-jr's mining branch does that already IIRc
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225 2015-11-04T18:57:34  <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: ^
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233 2015-11-04T19:19:01  <GitHub165> [bitcoin] jonathancross opened pull request #6940: Improving labels for Sent / Received "Bytes" (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6940
234 2015-11-04T19:35:29  <Luke-Jr> mine just rejects transactions that don't have a reasonable sigop-to-size ratio
235 2015-11-04T19:35:57  <Luke-Jr> I think that is better than adjusting fee, because absurd sigop-to-size ratios have no legitimate use case.
236 2015-11-04T19:36:47  <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: what I suggest just avoids having to decide whats absurd.
237 2015-11-04T19:37:49  <Luke-Jr> that may make it worse, since the cost for an absurd one can't be much higher than the cost for a barely-reasonable one :/
238 2015-11-04T19:37:51  <mcelrath> I don't think it's up to us to decide what is a legitimate use case.  If they're paying a reasonable fee, why reject it?
239 2015-11-04T19:38:01  <Luke-Jr> mcelrath: fees are not entitlement
240 2015-11-04T19:38:13  <Luke-Jr> mcelrath: besides, it's very objective in this case
241 2015-11-04T19:38:41  <Luke-Jr> signatures and keys *must* be a certain size. so if the ratio isn't met, there's no possibility of a real signature verification
242 2015-11-04T19:39:12  <gmaxwell> it's true, less than ~73 bytes per sigop is clearly an attack.
243 2015-11-04T19:40:02  <gmaxwell> except the inaccurate accounting nonsense.
244 2015-11-04T19:40:03  <gmaxwell> :(
245 2015-11-04T19:40:14  <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: so I think the inaccurate accounting nonsense breaks your thinking.
246 2015-11-04T19:40:24  <Luke-Jr> ?
247 2015-11-04T19:41:34  <mcelrath> I decoded one, it's a giant pile (500) of $0.06 (or so) payments to a lot of P2PKH addresses. Not sure I'd call that an attack...
248 2015-11-04T19:42:51  <Luke-Jr> mcelrath: what makes you assume it fails the sigop ratio limit?
249 2015-11-04T19:44:29  <gmaxwell> Luke-Jr: what ratio test are you using?
250 2015-11-04T19:44:54  <gmaxwell> if you're using under ~20 bytes per sigop you're going to deny some p2pkh output heavy txn..
251 2015-11-04T19:45:19  <gmaxwell> and checkmultsig output heavy is really hard to not exclude with a static limit.
252 2015-11-04T19:45:30  <gmaxwell> because it counts as 20 even if s just a 1 of 1
253 2015-11-04T19:45:38  <Luke-Jr> it's configurable
254 2015-11-04T19:45:48  <Luke-Jr> and apparently defaults to unlimited (facepalm)
255 2015-11-04T19:46:30  <gmaxwell> in any case, what I suggest is just superior, because it changes to prioritization to "fee per percentage of the block the transaction is taking up, in the most limiting direction"
256 2015-11-04T19:46:43  <gmaxwell> like the postal service using the MAX of the dimensions of a package as a limit.
257 2015-11-04T19:52:07  <mcelrath> FWIW I like gmaxwell's suggestion.
258 2015-11-04T19:53:05  <Luke-Jr> in any case, this is a miner policy thing, and both should be easy for miners to do
259 2015-11-04T19:53:19  <Luke-Jr> deciding policy should not be a development discussion
260 2015-11-04T20:06:42  <jtimon> gmaxwell: re max(size, sigops/20k*max_block_size) nothing against, just that one thinks about putting more things in that formula (ie utxo_size_delta(tx) to encourage a more efficient usage of the utxo space)
261 2015-11-04T20:07:08  <jtimon> I mean, being policy, we don't have to have the perfect formula from the start
262 2015-11-04T20:08:24  <jtimon> eventually, if we like a tx cost function a lot, we can make it consensus
263 2015-11-04T20:17:28  <GitHub108> [bitcoin] peterjosling opened pull request #6942: Fix CCoins serialization documentation (master...docfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6942
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268 2015-11-04T21:03:23  <davec> I brought it up over in bitcoin-dev, but I'll put it here too for visibility.  As of block 583930 on testnet, the CLTV soft fork is active although there is a lot of hash power still mining under the pre-CLTV rules.
269 2015-11-04T21:03:47  <davec> That means once it's released and everybody switches over testnet is going to have a huge reorg
270 2015-11-04T21:04:37  * helo grabs popcorn and spins up a node
271 2015-11-04T21:04:57  <belcher> i seem to recall testnet gets reorg'd a lot anyway
272 2015-11-04T21:08:26  <davec> True, but unless I'm mistaken I think the release is planned for Feb
273 2015-11-04T21:08:38  <davec> that will be months worth of blocks the CLTV side wil have to catch up with, etc
274 2015-11-04T21:09:05  <davec> Might be worth considering adding a minimum timestamp to the activation rules
275 2015-11-04T21:15:25  <davec> I had a typo in the block height - it's 582930
276 2015-11-04T21:27:00  <gmaxwell> davec: yea, mentioned here previously.
277 2015-11-04T21:27:05  <gmaxwell> davec: you're incorrect about your belief
278 2015-11-04T21:27:16  <gmaxwell> the release was planned for a couple days ago, I expect it will be next week.
279 2015-11-04T21:29:29  <davec> oh good to know about the release, so it won't be too bad then
280 2015-11-04T21:29:53  <gmaxwell> davec: yup! it's obnoxious though.
281 2015-11-04T21:30:10  <gmaxwell> though there is deciesively more hashpower on the CLTV side now at least.
282 2015-11-04T21:30:34  <gmaxwell> jtimon: that formula has nothing to do with the blocksize limit.
283 2015-11-04T21:33:10  <davec> I was also planning a release for next week with the CLTV rules, so that will line up well with Core
284 2015-11-04T21:35:59  <gmaxwell> the schedue was "end of october" and it's all backported but we're shepearding a couple other fixes for our releases.
285 2015-11-04T21:37:32  <wumpus> we could do a release now if that's necessary
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287 2015-11-04T21:38:36  <gmaxwell> I don't currently think we need to rush that fast.
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289 2015-11-04T21:41:20  <davec> Yeah, a few days won't matter.  For some reason I thought the next release was Feb and that could've been really nasty.
290 2015-11-04T21:41:57  <davec> (as far as potential for a months long reorg)
291 2015-11-04T21:45:18  <gmaxwell> davec: in any case, there are pools mining on master so...
292 2015-11-04T21:45:30  <wumpus> the next major release is (probably) feb
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295 2015-11-04T21:46:18  <gmaxwell> But we do not couple soft-forks to bitcoin core major releases.
296 2015-11-04T21:46:37  <gmaxwell> (which is why CLTV is in the prior branches already)
297 2015-11-04T21:47:03  <GitHub46> [bitcoin] pstratem opened pull request #6943: [WIP] Wallet: Store hash for encrypted keys (master...ckey_hash) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6943
298 2015-11-04T21:47:18  <belcher> gmaxwell can CLTV be used on regtest from a release? or only by compiling the github master
299 2015-11-04T21:47:52  <belcher> normally id just try it and see, but scripts always give confusing error messages so im never sure whats wrong
300 2015-11-04T21:49:19  <wumpus> only on master right now
301 2015-11-04T21:50:10  <belcher> ty
302 2015-11-04T21:51:29  <wumpus> oh that's not true - you can also use a version compiled from the 0.11 or 0.10 branch
303 2015-11-04T21:51:49  <wumpus> just not a tagged version
304 2015-11-04T21:52:43  <belcher> hmm, so the bitcoin 0.11 you can download from the website doesnt have it? but later commits on the github add it in
305 2015-11-04T21:52:55  <wumpus> right
306 2015-11-04T21:52:56  <gmaxwell> 0.11.2 will have it, but it isn't out yet.
307 2015-11-04T21:53:14  <gmaxwell> belcher: also be mindful of mediantimepast's effect.
308 2015-11-04T21:54:14  <belcher> dont know what that is, google cant find anything meaningful
309 2015-11-04T21:55:35  <belcher> hold on, found something
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320 2015-11-04T22:47:57  <GitHub124> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #6944: Update LevelDB tree to include #6917 (master...leveldbfix0.12) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6944
321 2015-11-04T22:49:14  <GitHub44> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #6945: Update LevelDB tree to include #6917 (0.11) (0.11...leveldbfix0.11) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6945
322 2015-11-04T22:50:42  <GitHub128> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #6946: Update LevelDB tree to include #6917 (0.10) (0.10...leveldbfix0.10) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6946
323 2015-11-04T22:52:46  <gmaxwell> \O/
324 2015-11-04T22:54:08  <gmaxwell> lol when I saw the PR with a zillion commits I thought it was another spam PR.
325 2015-11-04T22:54:48  <sipa> I made a mistake and used 0.11 + fix in my 0.10 PR
326 2015-11-04T22:55:01  <sipa> so it included all of 0.10..0.11
327 2015-11-04T22:55:03  <sipa> fixed now
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329 2015-11-04T23:21:28  <GitHub146> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #6948: Always flush block and undo when switching to new file (master...fixflush) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6948
330 2015-11-04T23:27:33  <gmaxwell> sipa: awesome.
331 2015-11-04T23:41:54  <jgarzik> heh
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