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 78 2015-11-28T09:44:43  <GitHub62> [bitcoin] robegan21 opened pull request #7122: simple fix to mask command line arguments after they are copied (master...MaskCommandLineArgs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7122
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 81 2015-11-28T10:27:34  <GitHub170> [bitcoin] gmaxwell opened pull request #7123: [WIP] Make trickle logic useful again, delay trickle when past upload limit. (master...actually_trickle) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7123
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 85 2015-11-28T11:05:22  <phantomcircuit> sipa, i guess i dont actually care that maxsigcachesize= isn't compatible since the chainstate isn't either
 86 2015-11-28T11:06:36  <sipa> chainstate isn't?
 87 2015-11-28T11:06:43  <sipa> between which versions?
 88 2015-11-28T11:13:50  <phantomcircuit> sipa, 0.12.0 -> 0.11.2
 89 2015-11-28T11:13:55  <phantomcircuit> because of obfuscation
 90 2015-11-28T11:14:09  <phantomcircuit> oh actually it doesn't need to be changed
 91 2015-11-28T11:14:23  <phantomcircuit> anybody who set it and goes to 0.12.0 will run out of memory
 92 2015-11-28T11:16:13  <sipa> eh, we should change the name :)
 93 2015-11-28T11:16:38  <sipa> grr, where did i put my glasses last noght?
 94 2015-11-28T11:22:02  <gmaxwell> lol 100000 mb memory usage. darn non-typesafty of commandlines.
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 97 2015-11-28T11:24:24  <sipa> foubd!
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105 2015-11-28T12:15:18  <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, any opposition to adding a new checkpoint (keeping in mind that it's just to skip script validation now)
106 2015-11-28T12:23:21  <gmaxwell> Yes.
107 2015-11-28T12:23:34  <gmaxwell> As in yes, I'm opposed to doing that.
108 2015-11-28T12:24:25  <gmaxwell> The difference in validation time is basically negligible now; and to the extent that it's not we should address it by implementing the latching worth threshold shortcutting.
109 2015-11-28T12:24:55  <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, failed to parse the last part of that sentence
110 2015-11-28T12:25:37  <gmaxwell> If the saved verification time isn't enough to justify implementing the real solution, then it's not enough to justify perpetuating the terrible screwup of checkpoints that causes material harm to the ecosystem in several ways.
111 2015-11-28T12:26:11  <phantomcircuit> ah right
112 2015-11-28T12:27:34  <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: The signature shortcutting should just work based on a threshold difficulty; like skip verifying up to 2016 blocks from the tip on any chain whos total headers show work > X... but only on the initial sync (latching), don't skip in reorgs.
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115 2015-11-28T12:28:39  <gmaxwell> So then we don't lose the optimization when we fail to constantly update some stupid constants, don't continue to give academics (for example) a reason to argue the consenus is actually hard coding blocks by us...
116 2015-11-28T12:29:18  <gmaxwell> And the only exposure it creates is a one time install time vulnerablity to attackers powerful enough that they could totally break everything anyways.
117 2015-11-28T12:32:57  <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, my thinking on that was that the CScriptCheck objects could be queued on disk for processing later and then we could process them backwards
118 2015-11-28T12:33:27  <phantomcircuit> which also has the nice benefit of making it trivial to do the io bound stuff in parallel with the script checks
119 2015-11-28T12:33:35  <sipa> phantomcircuit: there's a much more elegant solution in just introduces an extra step in validation
120 2015-11-28T12:34:01  <sipa> and doing script validation in the background
121 2015-11-28T12:34:08  <sipa> but it's not trivial
122 2015-11-28T12:34:42  <gmaxwell> well you cannot verify scripts once the utxo are removed; unless you're extracting and storing the pubkeys.
123 2015-11-28T12:35:01  <sipa> they're stored in the undo files
124 2015-11-28T12:36:11  <phantomcircuit> sipa, i never thought about using the undo files for that
125 2015-11-28T12:36:37  <sipa> undo data may lack nLockTime though :s
126 2015-11-28T12:37:32  <sipa> so you can't validate bip65/bip112 that way :(
127 2015-11-28T12:53:01  <gmaxwell> sipa: does #7099 need rebase again?
128 2015-11-28T12:53:14  <gmaxwell> (I just rebased it before your comment)
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134 2015-11-28T13:07:44  <gmaxwell> sipa: should I go update 7100 to remove the mruset?
135 2015-11-28T13:08:07  <sipa> gmaxwell: yes
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139 2015-11-28T13:15:26  <GitHub38> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8284feb3c91f...8332457e95c9
140 2015-11-28T13:15:26  <GitHub38> bitcoin/master b8c06ef Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Add non-style-related development guidelines...
141 2015-11-28T13:15:27  <GitHub38> bitcoin/master 8332457 Pieter Wuille: Merge pull request #7003...
142 2015-11-28T13:15:31  <GitHub104> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #7003: doc: Add non-style-related development guidelines (master...2015_11_development_guidelines) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7003
143 2015-11-28T13:18:09  <GitHub0> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8332457e95c9...92aa7311d64c
144 2015-11-28T13:18:09  <GitHub0> bitcoin/master e482a7f Peter Josling: Fix CCoins serialization documentation...
145 2015-11-28T13:18:10  <GitHub0> bitcoin/master 92aa731 Pieter Wuille: Merge pull request #6942...
146 2015-11-28T13:18:19  <GitHub105> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #6942: Fix CCoins serialization documentation (master...docfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6942
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149 2015-11-28T14:43:10  <GitHub142> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli closed pull request #7067: [Wallet] improve detection of conflicted transactions (master...2015/11/mempool_wallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7067
150 2015-11-28T14:57:13  <GitHub147> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #7125: Replace global trickle node with random delays (master...timetrickle) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7125
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152 2015-11-28T15:42:33  <SomeT> hi, is there a tutorial on how to modify bitcoin from the source code? so many files I have no idea where to start
153 2015-11-28T15:44:45  <sipa> what do you want to change?
154 2015-11-28T15:45:05  <SomeT> I wanted to see if I could start building my own cryptocurrency in a sense
155 2015-11-28T15:46:03  <sipa> i would suggest you to try understanding the code that is already there before deciding you need to change things
156 2015-11-28T15:46:17  <sipa> perhaps you'll even find things to improve and start contributing to bitcoin
157 2015-11-28T15:47:05  <SomeT> that was kinda my main goal really more understanding the code to see how it all works
158 2015-11-28T15:47:22  <SomeT> but where would I even start in that respect? I can not find any sort of tutorials via google
159 2015-11-28T15:47:38  <sipa> in that case, i suggest you to go over the issues, and see if there's something you feel is doable
160 2015-11-28T15:47:54  <sipa> you can always ask specific questions here, especially if it's about improving the code
161 2015-11-28T15:48:20  <sipa> where do you start? read the code... it will take a while, but it's much easier if you have a specific goal
162 2015-11-28T15:48:25  <SomeT> ok many thanks
163 2015-11-28T15:50:42  <SomeT> this looks useful?: http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1234000001802/index.html
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165 2015-11-28T15:53:30  <phantomcircuit> SomeT, useless
166 2015-11-28T15:53:39  <phantomcircuit> actually worse than useless since it'll confuse you
167 2015-11-28T15:54:05  <SomeT> ok what would be a better book like that aimed more at a beginner?
168 2015-11-28T15:54:20  <SomeT> this is what I am trying to get at, like an outline
169 2015-11-28T15:54:32  <sipa> SomeT: https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-guide
170 2015-11-28T15:55:04  <SomeT> ok many thanks
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190 2015-11-28T21:10:40  <MarcoFalke> sipa, we are logging time stamps by default
191 2015-11-28T21:10:52  <MarcoFalke> It's just the diff which looks weird
192 2015-11-28T21:12:18  <MarcoFalke> missed your second comment ;)
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194 2015-11-28T21:13:20  <sipa> MarcoFalke: just doing due diligence :)
195 2015-11-28T21:13:42  <sipa> MarcoFalke: looks all good, going to merge
196 2015-11-28T21:15:24  <MarcoFalke> sounds good, I don't think there is anything left to get into the PR
197 2015-11-28T21:15:42  <GitHub17> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 5 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/92aa7311d64c...8d26289c9a7c
198 2015-11-28T21:15:43  <GitHub17> bitcoin/master b966aa8 Luke Dashjr: Constrain constant values to a single location in code
199 2015-11-28T21:15:43  <GitHub17> bitcoin/master 3307bdb Luke Dashjr: Bugfix: Omit wallet-related options from -help when wallet is not supported
200 2015-11-28T21:15:44  <GitHub17> bitcoin/master faf93f3 MarcoFalke: [trivial] Reuse translation and cleanup DEFAULT_* values...
201 2015-11-28T21:15:47  <GitHub37> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #6961: luke-jr constants (master...luke-jr-const) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6961
202 2015-11-28T21:16:39  <GitHub101> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #6349: Constrain constant values to a single location in code (master...opt_defaults) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6349
203 2015-11-28T21:27:58  <GitHub109> [bitcoin] sipa pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8d26289c9a7c...61457c29d735
204 2015-11-28T21:27:59  <GitHub109> bitcoin/master ee60e56 Pieter Wuille: Add merkle.{h,cpp}, generic merkle root/branch algorithm
205 2015-11-28T21:27:59  <GitHub109> bitcoin/master eece63f Pieter Wuille: Switch blocks to a constant-space Merkle root/branch algorithm....
206 2015-11-28T21:28:00  <GitHub109> bitcoin/master 61457c2 Pieter Wuille: Merge pull request #6508...
207 2015-11-28T21:28:03  <GitHub168> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #6508: Switch to a constant-space Merkle root/branch algorithm. (master...constmerkle) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6508
208 2015-11-28T21:29:57  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: what does https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6349#issuecomment-160335992 mean?
209 2015-11-28T21:30:33  <MarcoFalke> The last commit of this PR is not yet rebased
210 2015-11-28T21:31:04  <Luke-Jr> oh, I figured you got all of them
211 2015-11-28T21:31:09  <MarcoFalke> I only did 1 and 2 + 3 and 4
212 2015-11-28T21:31:33  <GitHub79> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #7126: [trivial] Move blocksonly parameter interaction to InitParameterInteraction() (master...MarcoFalke-2015-initParam) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7126
213 2015-11-28T21:31:44  <Luke-Jr> k
214 2015-11-28T21:36:45  <MarcoFalke> Also I haven't looked at chainparams https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6349/files#diff-dbba8d0e1257cc14ce18de8fd6c9a0b1 Not sure if still relevant
215 2015-11-28T21:41:38  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: eh, how did you do rpcport then?
216 2015-11-28T21:41:49  <Luke-Jr> … you didn't :/
217 2015-11-28T21:41:51  <MarcoFalke> Just left it how it was
218 2015-11-28T21:41:53  <MarcoFalke> yes
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220 2015-11-28T21:41:58  <Luke-Jr> anything else missing?
221 2015-11-28T21:42:01  <MarcoFalke> no
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224 2015-11-28T21:45:37  <gmaxwell> sipa: RE #7125 by 'No removal of the "1/4 blast to all" behaviour, as #7123 seems to offer a better replacement.'  do you mean the sticky electricted trickling nodes? And darn wrt sorting the INV, I hadn't considered that the sort needs to be topological.
225 2015-11-28T21:46:23  <sipa> gmaxwell: i just mean "other pull requests exist that deal with this in a different way, let's not touch the code too much"
226 2015-11-28T21:46:48  <GitHub26> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #7127: Bugfix: Default -uiplatform is not actually the platform this build was compiled on (master...bugfix_uiplatform) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7127
227 2015-11-28T21:46:56  <sipa> without judging whether those others are a good idea, getting the non-controversial parts in first is priority
228 2015-11-28T21:47:12  <sipa> :)
229 2015-11-28T21:48:39  <gmaxwell> sipa: yea, I think that 7125 is easier to merge.
230 2015-11-28T21:49:59  <gmaxwell> I'd been debating to do per-peer timers in mine; it has some negative privacy effects when an observer has multiple connections to you (since they get the min of all of them); but it lets you have longer intervals with less effect.
231 2015-11-28T21:50:20  <gmaxwell> It also breaks up bandwidth usage more, which is probably good for usability.
232 2015-11-28T21:54:01  <sipa> gmaxwell: i would not be confortable with just per-peer timers if there was no bypass mechanism (like the 1/4 blast to all, or specific nodes that get everything instantly, ...)
233 2015-11-28T21:54:16  <sipa> as that would introduce inevitable delays on every hop
234 2015-11-28T21:58:28  <gmaxwell> In the per-peer, the 'delay per hop' is minimum (/second from minimum) of all those uniform numbers; e.g. ~N/2 fold smaller.
235 2015-11-28T22:00:29  <sipa> and the more independent paths (of the same length) there are between two nodes, the lower the delay would be
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242 2015-11-28T23:53:40  <GitHub170> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #7128: Constrain rpcport default values to a single location in code (master...const_rpcport) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7128