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 50 2015-12-11T07:59:02  <jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: IIRC right, modifying .DS_Stores is non trivial. I guess you can't just change it with hexeditor like things. But i'm happy to try if you pass me over a .DS_Store.
 51 2015-12-11T07:59:31  <jonasschnelli> I guess there are tools to modify a DS_Store (which is a non-open apple binary format)
 52 2015-12-11T08:00:28  <Luke-Jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/DS_Store
 53 2015-12-11T08:12:16  <jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: it looks like its easier to test if you add it to your PR (i can do a gitian build). Okay?
 54 2015-12-11T08:12:55  <Luke-Jr> ok, pushed
 55 2015-12-11T08:14:19  <jonasschnelli> Okay. Building caa7c8fabef027b9640561dff8472766f5e3296d (takes 30-40mins)
 56 2015-12-11T08:14:39  <Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: that's not the top commit
 57 2015-12-11T08:14:58  <jonasschnelli> Sorry. Meant: c903ae4d6794bb448d72100744036b7835481450
 58 2015-12-11T08:15:41  <jonasschnelli> I skip win and linux builds... so 12mins will it be~.
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 61 2015-12-11T08:19:04  <wumpus> gmaxwell: so should we revert #4906?
 62 2015-12-11T08:23:51  <GitHub187> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7196: Doxygen (master...doxygen-a) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7196
 63 2015-12-11T08:25:21  <GitHub39> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5dc63ed1ca8a...f7f44b1bdd15
 64 2015-12-11T08:25:21  <GitHub39> bitcoin/master 00423e1 Suriyaa Kudo: Set link from http:// to https://...
 65 2015-12-11T08:25:22  <GitHub39> bitcoin/master f7f44b1 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7197...
 66 2015-12-11T08:25:31  <GitHub16> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7197: Set link from http:// to https:// (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7197
 67 2015-12-11T08:30:54  <jonasschnelli> Luke-Jr: seems to have build issues on OSX: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/pulls/7192/build-osx.log
 68 2015-12-11T08:31:08  <Luke-Jr> your SSL is still broken :/
 69 2015-12-11T08:31:58  <jonasschnelli> Yes. I know... need to fix it. Will do *soon*.
 70 2015-12-11T08:32:29  <Luke-Jr> I guess I can hopefully reproduce it in gitian myself :x
 71 2015-12-11T08:33:01  * Luke-Jr wonders why gitian has started demanding he enter a password
 72 2015-12-11T08:35:21  <Luke-Jr> debug1: Skipping ssh-dss key ./var/id_dsa for not in PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes
 73 2015-12-11T08:42:44  <wumpus> bleh, can you bisect it to a change in gitian?
 74 2015-12-11T08:42:58  <Luke-Jr> looks like it's OpenSSH 7.0
 75 2015-12-11T08:43:14  <Luke-Jr> no longer accepts DSS keys by default
 76 2015-12-11T08:43:39  <wumpus> oh that's good to know
 77 2015-12-11T08:44:05  <Luke-Jr>  * Support for ssh-dss, ssh-dss-cert-* host and user keys is disabled by default at run-time. These may be re-enabled using the instructions at http://www.openssh.com/legacy.html
 78 2015-12-11T08:44:18  * wumpus quickly checks if he has any servers/VPSes with dss keys he could lose access to
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 80 2015-12-11T08:48:45  <Luke-Jr> looks like I'm updating Qt in gitian
 81 2015-12-11T08:49:18  <wumpus> also wonder why gitian insists on creating a dsa key in the first place
 82 2015-12-11T08:50:57  <Luke-Jr> devrandom: ^
 83 2015-12-11T08:51:58  <gmaxwell> it would be fast.
 84 2015-12-11T08:52:54  <wumpus> maybe switch to ssh-ed25519
 85 2015-12-11T08:53:59  <gmaxwell> I dunno how widely supported that is, but perhaps that doesn't matter. E.g. centos won't have support for it.
 86 2015-12-11T08:54:42  <wumpus> what matters for gitian is what ubuntu versions support it, at least 14.04 does, but don't know if e.g. 12.04 does
 87 2015-12-11T08:56:01  <wumpus> then again, as this is only used to communciate with a vm on the local host, may be good enough to just add the force-use-dss option. Heck, using no cipher and auth would probably be acceptable...
 88 2015-12-11T08:57:22  <gmaxwell> or just set it to use 2kbit rsa, the generation time is probably not that bad on anything that can compile bitcoin.
 89 2015-12-11T08:57:23  <wumpus> (using ssh to communicate with something running on localhost is kind of redundant :-) )
 90 2015-12-11T08:58:49  <wumpus> changing that would mean regenerating all the base images though
 91 2015-12-11T09:03:29  <wumpus> Luke-Jr: if you change the ssh line in libexec/on-target to include -oHostKeyAlgorithms=+ssh-dss , does that work around the issue?
 92 2015-12-11T09:03:57  <Luke-Jr> you want PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes=+ssh-dss
 93 2015-12-11T09:04:24  <wumpus> ok
 94 2015-12-11T09:05:06  <wumpus> but in this case it's about what your ssh *sends*, not what is accepted, which shouldn't have changed
 95 2015-12-11T09:06:19  <wumpus> none of the ubuntu versions used for gitian building has OpenSSH 7.0+, it must be the outer ssh refusing to send a dss key
 96 2015-12-11T09:07:37  <Luke-Jr> yes
 97 2015-12-11T09:08:33  <wumpus> so does it work?
 98 2015-12-11T09:08:48  <Luke-Jr> yes
 99 2015-12-11T09:09:19  <wumpus> great
100 2015-12-11T09:16:05  <Luke-Jr> ugh, the build failure blocks caching the Qt? :/
101 2015-12-11T09:18:13  <wumpus> yes that's kind of annoying
102 2015-12-11T09:18:28  <wumpus> any build failure prevents caching of anything
103 2015-12-11T09:19:09  <wumpus> cached dependencies are not handled separately from the build product, if it fails, it fails completely
104 2015-12-11T09:20:03  <wumpus> may be possible to split up between a descriptor that just builds the dependencies and one that builds bitcoin, or some other trick
105 2015-12-11T09:21:37  <wumpus> the idea behind the current design is AFAIK that you use gitian *if* you are virtually sure that the build will pass, as a gitian build is/should be equivalent to a depends builds outside gitian
106 2015-12-11T09:22:27  <wumpus> (of course, subtle issues with e.g. the VM setup can always interfere so it's a bit brittle...)
107 2015-12-11T09:54:37  <GitHub18> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f7f44b1bdd15...d1e17ff6408c
108 2015-12-11T09:54:37  <GitHub18> bitcoin/master 9bbe71b Wladimir J. van der Laan: net: Add and document network messages in protocol.h...
109 2015-12-11T09:54:38  <GitHub18> bitcoin/master d1e17ff Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7181...
110 2015-12-11T09:54:42  <GitHub31> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7181: net: Add and document network messages in protocol.h (master...2015_12_network_messages) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7181
111 2015-12-11T10:19:32  <GitHub141> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/8fc174aae64882d43549ad57bece0c23805e567b
112 2015-12-11T10:19:32  <GitHub141> bitcoin/0.12 8fc174a Wladimir J. van der Laan: net: Add and document network messages in protocol.h...
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114 2015-12-11T10:52:36  * Luke-Jr ponders if the cache ought to be a sshfs mount so it doesn't copy all 1 GB of files that don't get used every time
115 2015-12-11T10:54:54  <Luke-Jr> hm, KVM can do a builtin SMB server for the host..
116 2015-12-11T11:25:26  <wumpus> yea - if there is some built-in way to share filesystems in the virtualization solution, I think that makes more sense than using sshfs, which is slow
117 2015-12-11T11:26:18  <wumpus> lxc can simply mount 'host' directories as well
118 2015-12-11T11:26:37  <wumpus> so using a scratchpad instead of copying everything every time could work
119 2015-12-11T11:28:56  <Luke-Jr> right
120 2015-12-11T11:30:20  <wumpus> avoids both the ssh and copy overhead - but it's work, no one ever got around to implementing that, and testing all that
121 2015-12-11T11:32:02  <wumpus> btw apparently marcofalke had already switched the key type to rsa with https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/pull/107, I do think it should carry a clearer warning that now all the base vms have to be regenerated
122 2015-12-11T11:33:12  <Luke-Jr> :x
123 2015-12-11T11:33:49  <wumpus> although re: dependencies, arguably the copy overhead is minimal compared to the time it takes to build, or even prepare a VM for building (all this package upgrading..) so I'm not sure it's that much of a win in practice compared to the work
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125 2015-12-11T11:37:03  <Luke-Jr> maybe not, just annoying ;)
126 2015-12-11T11:37:43  <Luke-Jr> perhaps I'll just change it to use rsync so the download-to-host step is quicker
127 2015-12-11T11:39:33  <Luke-Jr> oh blah, we're on ancient Ubuntu
128 2015-12-11T11:49:00  <wumpus> using rsync would already be nice
129 2015-12-11T11:49:28  <wumpus> not to ancient to have rsync I suppose?
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135 2015-12-11T12:33:55  <morcos> wumpus: 7156 looks like it has a lot of ACK's (remove cs_main from createrawtransaction)
136 2015-12-11T12:34:14  <wumpus> morcos: thanks
137 2015-12-11T12:47:03  <jonasschnelli> I agree. It's merge ready.
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148 2015-12-11T13:56:08  <GitHub177> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d1e17ff6408c...9ee02cf564d1
149 2015-12-11T13:56:09  <GitHub177> bitcoin/master 6e76587 Wladimir J. van der Laan: rpc: remove cs_main lock from `createrawtransaction`...
150 2015-12-11T13:56:09  <GitHub177> bitcoin/master 9ee02cf Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7156...
151 2015-12-11T13:56:13  <GitHub94> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7156: rpc: remove cs_main lock from `createrawtransaction` (master...2015_12_createrawtransaction_nolock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7156
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173 2015-12-11T16:38:11  <jamesob> anyone have suggestions for parts of core that are under-unittested?
174 2015-12-11T16:42:47  <morcos> jamesob: AcceptToMemoryPool but its one of the more difficult thngs to test.
175 2015-12-11T16:43:13  <jamesob> in terms of getting the necessary fixture context set up, or something else?
176 2015-12-11T16:43:36  <morcos> I was going to rework miner_test.cpp at some point, b/c many of them were designed to make sure the mining code did not assume the mempool contained txs that couldn't be mined, but now the mining code does assume that
177 2015-12-11T16:43:54  <jamesob> hah, I see
178 2015-12-11T16:44:09  <morcos> yes, in terms of setup.  i think there is a test that uses ATMP, but does it on regtest.
179 2015-12-11T16:44:25  <morcos> which isn't really the right thing for more general ATMP tests
180 2015-12-11T16:44:46  <morcos> the miner_tests actually construct blocks that can be used on mainnet i think
181 2015-12-11T16:44:56  <morcos> so maybe that should be abstracted out into a setup that other tests can use
182 2015-12-11T16:45:02  <jamesob> ATMP?
183 2015-12-11T16:45:09  <morcos> AcceptToMemoryPool
184 2015-12-11T16:45:13  <jamesob> ah
185 2015-12-11T16:45:32  <jamesob> (first cup of coffee has yet to make it down ;)
186 2015-12-11T16:46:24  <jamesob> yeah, I'll take a look, see if I can grok. may PM you if I get any ideas.
187 2015-12-11T16:46:50  <morcos> sure
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197 2015-12-11T19:15:31  <gmaxwell> wumpus: No, we shouldn't revert #4906 we should just move forward from it.
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227 2015-12-11T23:27:35  <gmaxwell> I've been giving some though to bringing back the tiered fee behavior bitcoin had untul mid 2012. The earlier logic had a rate table where transactions were added in arrival order, with the required fee gradually going up as the non-fee-sorted candidate block became bigger. In 2012 it was changed to the sorting based selection on the basis that this was the rational behavior to miners, and the '
228 2015-12-11T23:27:41  <gmaxwell> fullness' of a candidate block was pretty opaque to users.
229 2015-12-11T23:28:25  <gmaxwell> What the logic was was that up to half the target size, the ordinary fee behavior applied. above half the target the required fee was multiplied by target/(target-current).
230 2015-12-11T23:29:48  <gmaxwell> What we lost in that change is any backpressure at all, until the limit was met.  The belief that this was good for miners was mistaken in any case, since fees relative to orphan impact are small.
231 2015-12-11T23:31:11  <gmaxwell> And then the need to constantly keep bumping the soft limit to avoid that cliff from the system being poorly stabalized also meant that blocks found fast would glup down a pile of spamflood.
232 2015-12-11T23:37:17  <gmaxwell> I think we've probably not given this enough thought due to paying too much attention to what short term rational miner behavior would be; when probably really optimizing miner behavior would already not be including most of the transactions today at current feerates.
233 2015-12-11T23:42:37  <zookolaptop> Right. Bounded rationality. I'm a businessman, and if there are two sources of revenue, one of which gives 100X what the other one gives, then I would tend to say "FUCK that other one! Don't bother me. Don't spend your time thinking about that other one.".
234 2015-12-11T23:43:08  <zookolaptop> 100X is correct, currently, right?
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236 2015-12-11T23:45:36  <zookolaptop> That's what I wrote on twitter the other day, on my way home from Hong Kong. https://twitter.com/zooko/status/674422815299231744
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238 2015-12-11T23:56:58  <gmaxwell> The other thing is that the rational marginal feerate needed to add an attitional transaction to a block actually goes down at the block gets bigger; not up.
239 2015-12-11T23:58:10  <zookolaptop> Good point.
240 2015-12-11T23:58:33  <gmaxwell> This is because the possion distributions of blocks, has an exponential distribution of interblock intervals, which has a slope that decreases with more delay.  Basically, if you're already screwed latency wise, the marginal harm of including another transaction is less.