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 67 2016-01-09T08:52:41  <arubi> oh, right ^
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 98 2016-01-09T15:30:35  <GitHub197> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9de541a9c95a...93ca5a35b045
 99 2016-01-09T15:30:36  <GitHub197> bitcoin/master 82a0ce0 Suhas Daftuar: Add race-condition debugging tool to mininode
100 2016-01-09T15:30:37  <GitHub197> bitcoin/master 168915e Suhas Daftuar: Eliminate race condition in sendheaders.py test...
101 2016-01-09T15:30:37  <GitHub197> bitcoin/master 93ca5a3 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7308...
102 2016-01-09T15:30:46  <GitHub163> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7308: [Tests] Eliminate intermittent failures in sendheaders.py (master...fix-sendheaders) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7308
103 2016-01-09T15:32:29  <GitHub56> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/d513405cb71425dd615e88aca4f6222e08d150a5
104 2016-01-09T15:32:30  <GitHub56> bitcoin/0.12 d513405 Suhas Daftuar: [Tests] Eliminate intermittent failures in sendheaders.py...
105 2016-01-09T15:34:15  <GitHub3> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to 0.11: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5f09cda0bf4c...00aefccb126f
106 2016-01-09T15:34:15  <GitHub91> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7259: [0.11] dbwrapper: Detect obfuscation (0.11...MarcoFalke-2015-dbWrapperObfuscation-0.11) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7259
107 2016-01-09T15:34:16  <GitHub3> bitcoin/0.11 fa24941 MarcoFalke: [dbwrapper] Detect obfuscation
108 2016-01-09T15:34:16  <GitHub3> bitcoin/0.11 fa3cb49 MarcoFalke: [init] Fix typo
109 2016-01-09T15:34:17  <GitHub3> bitcoin/0.11 00aefcc Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7259...
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112 2016-01-09T15:46:02  <MarcoFalke> Luke-Jr, even though a merge commit (or rebase) may appear trivial, I don't think we should put the burden on laanwj to go through that. (Not to mention it is hard to verify if any conflicts were solved during the final merge into bitcoin/bitcoin)
113 2016-01-09T15:47:18  <wumpus> right - I don't do non-trivial merge commits
114 2016-01-09T15:47:40  <wumpus> (except in some rare cases, but in general you should keep your own work up to date)
115 2016-01-09T15:50:35  <MarcoFalke> wumpus,
116 2016-01-09T15:50:35  <MarcoFalke> keypoolrefill is quite expensive, so I think a sleep(1) is enough. Let's make it 1.1 to get another 10 % overhead?
117 2016-01-09T15:54:42  <wumpus> sure
118 2016-01-09T15:56:20  <wumpus> I just don't want to introduce false positives. I've had some bad experiences at a previous employer where a bit of extra load on the test bench caused the test results to light up like a christmas tree, because of tightly timed tests, sending people to chase after nothing every time
119 2016-01-09T15:58:02  <wumpus> using mock time would be ideal, but libevent will ignore that anyway it's a non-starter :)
120 2016-01-09T15:58:59  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: that's not what I said. :p  *when* someone is ready to merge, they just need to ping me and I will do the merge
121 2016-01-09T16:11:05  <wumpus> Luke-Jr: can you do your thing for #7081 then?
122 2016-01-09T16:12:18  <Luke-Jr> yep, sec
123 2016-01-09T16:18:26  * Luke-Jr peers at github
124 2016-01-09T16:19:55  <Luke-Jr> wumpus: ok done
125 2016-01-09T16:22:29  <Luke-Jr> wumpus: shall I resubmit for 0.12 also?
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130 2016-01-09T16:45:14  <MarcoFalke> Luke-Jr, why twice?
131 2016-01-09T16:45:24  <MarcoFalke> Couldn't you just merge 901b01d674031f9aca717deeb372bafa160a24af?
132 2016-01-09T16:45:36  <MarcoFalke> It should slide into master and 0.12, regardless
133 2016-01-09T16:45:48  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: O.o?
134 2016-01-09T16:47:06  <Luke-Jr> wrong commithash?
135 2016-01-09T16:47:59  <MarcoFalke> did you copy the `?`
136 2016-01-09T16:49:51  <Luke-Jr> no
137 2016-01-09T16:53:58  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: got it thx
138 2016-01-09T17:00:35  <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I think so - with a merge commiit in it it's harder to rebase/cherry-pick
139 2016-01-09T17:01:54  <GitHub123> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/93ca5a35b045...dd1304ec216c
140 2016-01-09T17:01:55  <GitHub123> bitcoin/master 45b8e27 Luke Dashjr: -bytespersigop option to additionally limit sigops in transactions we relay and mine
141 2016-01-09T17:01:56  <GitHub123> bitcoin/master fdc202f Luke Dashjr: Merge branch bytespersigop
142 2016-01-09T17:01:56  <GitHub123> bitcoin/master dd1304e Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7081...
143 2016-01-09T17:01:58  <GitHub185> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7081: -bytespersigop option to additionally limit sigops in transactions we relay and mine (master...bytespersigop) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7081
144 2016-01-09T17:03:54  <Luke-Jr> wumpus: k, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7323
145 2016-01-09T17:03:55  <GitHub115> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #7323: 0.12: Backport -bytespersigop option (0.12...bytespersigop-0.12.x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7323
146 2016-01-09T17:04:53  <wumpus> I tried to merge fdc202f into 0.12 but that gets a merge conflict in main.cpp
147 2016-01-09T17:05:04  <wumpus> ok
148 2016-01-09T17:05:09  <Luke-Jr> yeah, looks like 0.12 picked up the conflicting change as a cherry-pick or something
149 2016-01-09T17:05:42  <Luke-Jr> btw, ACK/NACK on importing 0.11's test_framework to 0.10 so we can run newer tests against it?
150 2016-01-09T17:05:56  <btcdrak> luke-jr, wumpus: another difficulty with merging topic branches back into master. Topic branches are just better rebased: it's less hassle all round
151 2016-01-09T17:06:13  <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I don't care about 0.10 anymore
152 2016-01-09T17:06:17  <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: disagree; see the links :p
153 2016-01-09T17:06:31  <wumpus> Luke-Jr: but fine with me, if you want to put the effort in
154 2016-01-09T17:06:34  <Luke-Jr> wumpus: ok, so I'll just maintain it myself going forward?
155 2016-01-09T17:07:13  <Luke-Jr> should I move the branch to another repo like I used to, continue to go through PRs, or would it make sense to give me push access just for that branch (not sure if GitHub can enforce)?
156 2016-01-09T17:07:15  <sipa> wumpus: i think that should be announced then
157 2016-01-09T17:07:49  <Luke-Jr> sipa: well, I'll continue to be maintaining it for now either way
158 2016-01-09T17:07:51  <wumpus> sipa: well if Luke-Jr wants to pick it up that's great
159 2016-01-09T17:08:30  <sipa> wumpus: i do think we need some clearly visible policy about which versions the bitcoin core project maintains and will issue bug fix releases for
160 2016-01-09T17:08:39  <wumpus> I just don't have the time to maintain lots of back versions
161 2016-01-09T17:08:43  <sipa> whether that's decided on an ad-hoc basis
162 2016-01-09T17:08:46  <wumpus> but if someone else wants to do that that's great
163 2016-01-09T17:09:08  <wumpus> well in the case of a critical problem I'm sure we can roll a 0.10 release
164 2016-01-09T17:09:22  <Luke-Jr> sipa: can go on a website somewhere maybe? a table with supported/unsupported versions?
165 2016-01-09T17:09:27  <sipa> wumpus: don't get me wrong, i completely agree with not backporting in perpetuity, but i think it is not obvious to the world
166 2016-01-09T17:10:01  <wumpus> but the focus has always been last release + the previous major release, so right now that'ts 0.12 and 0.11
167 2016-01-09T17:10:05  <wumpus> (well, almost)
168 2016-01-09T17:11:06  <wumpus> except in the case of critical security issues
169 2016-01-09T17:11:08  <sipa> ok, what about "After 0.X's branching, 0.X-1 will receive all bug fixes, and 0.X-2 only critical bug fixes"
170 2016-01-09T17:11:14  <wumpus> makes sense to me
171 2016-01-09T17:11:25  <wumpus> except if someone wants to put more work into it like Luke-Jr
172 2016-01-09T17:11:39  <wumpus> but that's all I'm willing to do, yes
173 2016-01-09T17:12:09  <Luke-Jr> makes sense to phrase what sipa said as a "commitment"
174 2016-01-09T17:12:17  <Luke-Jr> anything beyond that is not guaranteed
175 2016-01-09T17:12:17  <sipa> well it's not just about you, but about we as a team commit to doing :)
176 2016-01-09T17:12:24  <cfields> wumpus: just heard back from Travis. They'll be enabling caching for their new infrastructure later this month. That gets us Trusty, docker, and caching.
177 2016-01-09T17:12:41  <sipa> cfields: nice
178 2016-01-09T17:12:47  <wumpus> sipa: I know, but I can only speak for myself
179 2016-01-09T17:12:48  <Luke-Jr> cfields: that requires us to switch to the container-based stuff though, right?
180 2016-01-09T17:13:04  <wumpus> cfields: nice!
181 2016-01-09T17:13:08  <cfields> Luke-Jr: nope, sudo enabled too. So our current config should just work (tm)
182 2016-01-09T17:13:22  <Luke-Jr> sipa: one thing missing in that is with regard to softforks/hardforks
183 2016-01-09T17:13:28  <Luke-Jr> cfields: oh, nice
184 2016-01-09T17:13:32  <cfields> so, I think it makes sense to hold out for that, rather than hacking around too much for now
185 2016-01-09T17:13:47  <sipa> Luke-Jr: well there is a statement around that now on the website
186 2016-01-09T17:13:55  <wumpus> cfields: sure
187 2016-01-09T17:14:01  <sipa> Luke-Jr: but it's not clearly tied to releases
188 2016-01-09T17:14:14  <wumpus> cfields: good to hear it's 'later this month'
189 2016-01-09T17:14:32  <wumpus> cfields: makes no sense to hurry more than that
190 2016-01-09T17:14:32  <Luke-Jr> sipa: once 0.12 is released, even 0.11.x won't likely get sufficient testing, so maybe it's better not to tie it to releases
191 2016-01-09T17:15:25  <Luke-Jr> vague commitment + current status of each branch, seems perhaps ideal?
192 2016-01-09T17:16:05  <MarcoFalke> You mean as a table on the website?
193 2016-01-09T17:16:12  <Luke-Jr> right
194 2016-01-09T17:16:14  <MarcoFalke> makes sense
195 2016-01-09T17:16:29  <wumpus> yes makes sense
196 2016-01-09T17:17:33  <GitHub143> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d513405cb714...a344880e6ae3
197 2016-01-09T17:17:34  <GitHub143> bitcoin/0.12 5b144b7 Luke Dashjr: Merge branch bytespersigop
198 2016-01-09T17:17:34  <GitHub143> bitcoin/0.12 a344880 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7323...
199 2016-01-09T17:17:36  <GitHub48> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7323: 0.12: Backport -bytespersigop option (0.12...bytespersigop-0.12.x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7323
200 2016-01-09T17:17:39  <btcdrak> sipa: wumpus: we should have a maintenance cycle listed somewhere then people know when EOL comes.
201 2016-01-09T17:21:06  <MarcoFalke> And hardcode the EOL into the software?
202 2016-01-09T17:21:43  <MarcoFalke> So a notification could pop up
203 2016-01-09T17:25:57  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: well, EOLing a specific release vs branch is another thing
204 2016-01-09T17:26:31  <Luke-Jr> an automatic internal alert might not be a bad idea, but we need to be careful not to *force* upgrades too
205 2016-01-09T17:26:48  <Luke-Jr> and ideally, it'd be best if people didn't all upgrade at the same time
206 2016-01-09T17:27:27  <Luke-Jr> specific releases tend to be EOL'd unpredictably anyway
207 2016-01-09T17:27:40  <Luke-Jr> ie, "when there is a notable thing to fix"
208 2016-01-09T17:28:08  <wumpus> hardcoding it into the software that goes too far IMO
209 2016-01-09T17:28:15  <wumpus> people are free to upgrade or not upgrade
210 2016-01-09T17:28:47  <MarcoFalke> They may not be aware their sofware is outdated?
211 2016-01-09T17:28:55  <wumpus> but having EOL status on the website is a great idea
212 2016-01-09T17:29:22  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: then they can check..
213 2016-01-09T17:29:44  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: their software won't know it's outdated either
214 2016-01-09T17:30:42  <Luke-Jr> still, it might be good to put a time limit for "hardfork required by now" stuff .. like 2036 :p
215 2016-01-09T17:37:12  <Luke-Jr> someone with push access want to: git tag branch-0.12 3cd836c1d855b92e7c73ab31979f471c4f8dad68 # ? :P
216 2016-01-09T17:41:32  <GitHub10> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #7324: doc/bips: Document BIP 125 support (master...bips_rbf) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7324
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219 2016-01-09T18:24:30  <afk11> Anyone running segnet that I can connect up to? and a pool/faucet?
220 2016-01-09T18:29:56  <sipa> afk11: we're going to reset the chain soon (1-2 days, i expect), and then invite more people to connect
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225 2016-01-09T18:43:32  <moli> sipa: hi, can segwit be tested in windows?
226 2016-01-09T18:48:46  <sipa> moli: i guess we can do test builds for windows
227 2016-01-09T18:49:20  <moli> sipa: that would be great, thank you
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