1 2016-02-19T00:00:00  <midnightmagic> that's odd, i haven't had to type in a password almost since the beginning
  2 2016-02-19T00:00:19  <midnightmagic> PRab: what's your host machine ?
  3 2016-02-19T00:00:45  <PRab> Its 3 layers. Windows -> Debian -> Ubuntu.
  4 2016-02-19T00:00:50  <michagogo> PRab: can you pastebin an ls of your gitian-builder directory?
  5 2016-02-19T00:01:02  <michagogo> Okay, so sounds like LXC then
  6 2016-02-19T00:01:47  <michagogo> PRab: try appending this to sudoers:
  7 2016-02-19T00:01:49  <michagogo> ALL	ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/lxc-start
  8 2016-02-19T00:01:50  <michagogo> ALL	ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/lxc-execute
  9 2016-02-19T00:02:09  <PRab> michagogo: http://sebsauvage.net/paste/?0838433483d20ae9#NojAQkdsHDT1ylzulzFg35OB4Zb3O5jYBM5Xo1+v0xQ=
 10 2016-02-19T00:02:29  <michagogo> Yeah, that's set up for LXC like I thought
 11 2016-02-19T00:02:55  <PRab> michagogo: Isn't that just a workaround? IMO I should be able to take as long as I want to type in my password.
 12 2016-02-19T00:03:29  <michagogo> PRab: I would think that's a sudo thing
 13 2016-02-19T00:03:35  <michagogo> Not a gitian thing
 14 2016-02-19T00:03:57  <PRab> michagogo: Its lxc-execute that is giving the error.
 15 2016-02-19T00:04:25  <PRab> lxc-execute: failed to spawn 'gitian'
 16 2016-02-19T00:04:33  <michagogo> PRab: it's like this. gbuild calls make-clean-vm
 17 2016-02-19T00:04:43  <michagogo> and make-clean-vm calls on-target
 18 2016-02-19T00:04:49  <michagogo> which calls lxc-execute
 19 2016-02-19T00:05:12  <midnightmagic> :-o
 20 2016-02-19T00:05:30  <michagogo> I don't think any part of that imposes a timeout
 21 2016-02-19T00:05:46  <michagogo> So I would assume that if the sudo prompt is timing out, that's purely a sudo thing
 22 2016-02-19T00:06:07  <midnightmagic> lol and thereby do we discover that I do all my gitians, on that host, as root..
 23 2016-02-19T00:06:12  <PRab> Huh. I'll try running a sudo command and see if it fails if I just leave it there for a while.
 24 2016-02-19T00:06:24  <michagogo> Putting `ALL	ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/lxc-execute` in /etc/sudoers will let you not have to enter a password for that
 25 2016-02-19T00:06:26  <michagogo> midnightmagic: D:
 26 2016-02-19T00:08:41  <PRab> Should we add that to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/gitian-building.md#setting-up-debian-for-gitian-building?
 27 2016-02-19T00:08:54  <PRab> It already has lxc-start in there.
 28 2016-02-19T00:09:08  <michagogo> I think it's in gitian's README
 29 2016-02-19T00:09:28  <michagogo> Oh, I see
 30 2016-02-19T00:09:38  <michagogo> Yeah, I guess
 31 2016-02-19T00:10:28  <PRab> Basically, when I do a gitian build I am just saying that I followed some instructions and didn't see anything blatantly evil.
 32 2016-02-19T00:10:53  <PRab> I haven't put too much time into figuring out exactly how all the pieces fit together.
 33 2016-02-19T00:13:06  <PRab> Also, I just verified that sudo doesn't appear to have a timeout. I just left "sudo nano test.txt" waiting at the password prompt for >5 minutes and it launched nano just fine as soon as I put in my password.
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 36 2016-02-19T00:14:34  <raedah> what is (fAllFromMe > mine)  checking? and where does ISMINE_SPENDABLE come from? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/qt/transactionrecord.cpp#L84-L98
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 38 2016-02-19T00:25:33  <michagogo> Errrr...
 39 2016-02-19T00:25:47  <michagogo> So on one hand, looks like Tor has it all very wrapped and automated
 40 2016-02-19T00:26:03  <michagogo> You just need to clone the right things, then `make` does *everything*
 41 2016-02-19T00:26:20  <michagogo> builds the base VMs, pulls inputs, does all the build stages
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 43 2016-02-19T00:26:30  <michagogo> Which is nice.
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 45 2016-02-19T00:26:51  <michagogo> OTOH, they seem to be using *4* different VMs... of 2 different distros...
 46 2016-02-19T00:27:12  <michagogo> Both Wheezy and Precise, each amd64 _and_ i386
 47 2016-02-19T00:29:06  <michagogo> And, er... they seem to be shipping the OS X SDK? o_O
 48 2016-02-19T00:29:09  <michagogo> https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/mirrors/sources/
 49 2016-02-19T00:29:19  <michagogo> Their script downloads https://people.torproject.org/~mikeperry/mirrors/sources/MacOSX10.7.sdk.tar.gz
 50 2016-02-19T00:29:24  <midnightmagic> almost. if your system doesn't have, for example, the tls root certs installed the wgets for the prereqs will fail (unnecessarily); if you want to run with more procs you'll have to increase memsize; it's fairly fragile.
 51 2016-02-19T00:29:54  <midnightmagic> michagogo: yeah I don't know how they're shipping the SDK. it wouldn't surprise me if they got permission to do it.
 52 2016-02-19T00:30:23  <michagogo> We're using 10.9 these days, right?
 53 2016-02-19T00:30:42  <michagogo> Kind of a shame. Would be nice if we could point people to Tor's copy
 54 2016-02-19T00:31:16  <midnightmagic> i think so
 55 2016-02-19T00:31:31  <midnightmagic> I have the 10.9 SDK in my gitian inputs directory anyway
 56 2016-02-19T00:33:08  <michagogo> They seem to be using their own fork of gitian, unupdated since June 2013
 57 2016-02-19T00:33:53  <michagogo> No, never mind, there's a branch that's up to date
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 60 2016-02-19T01:13:34  <GitHub92> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #7558: Add importprunedfunds rpc call (master...prunedforport) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7558
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 70 2016-02-19T02:12:51  <btcdrak> michagogo: definitely need to PR that sudo fix,  it has been annoying me for months.
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136 2016-02-19T08:04:09  <wumpus> michagogo midnightmagic I don't think there's any way around it: for truly deterministic builds, a cache system cannot be used, everything has to be built every time. Kind of sad but ok
137 2016-02-19T08:04:54  <wumpus> every time you cache an old build product it may have been built under different circumstances, with other packages, slightly perturbing the output ijn a non-reproducible way (at least with the info given in the assert)
138 2016-02-19T08:05:19  <wumpus> I also wiped my caches, again, for the 0.12 final build. That probably should be common practice for -final.
139 2016-02-19T08:05:49  <wumpus> this at least makes sure that the releases can be reproduced, given that you find the historical ubuntu packages...
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141 2016-02-19T08:09:35  <wumpus> the only solution would be to use a deterministic toolchain (and that isn't just the compiler - some other tools affect the results too, like tar) as well. A huge project I think.
142 2016-02-19T08:16:31  <wumpus> in any case, despite the toolchain confusion, the gitian system still meets the requirement that N people build and get the same output, if they build reasonably close in time to each other. Everyone can check the binaries close to the release
143 2016-02-19T08:17:19  <wumpus>  It would be nice to be able to check old versions, say, 0.10.0, with full conviction, but I don't see a strong motivation for that
144 2016-02-19T08:22:57  <midnightmagic> the solution to a related problem to this (non-byte-deterministic, customer support type purposes) way for commercial enterprises has been to version the entire build environment including OS and hardware descriptors, or in the case of most of the ones I had to work with, the entire VM guest. Even then, they would get screwed up with incompatible VM hosts that weren't able to simulate the o
145 2016-02-19T08:23:03  <midnightmagic> ld environments properly. So, fwiw what you guys are doing is in many respects well ahead of what commercial environments do. they viewed the problem as only something to be mitigated -- not solved permanently.
146 2016-02-19T08:24:04  <midnightmagic> and it was always very, very storage-heavy..
147 2016-02-19T08:29:36  <wumpus> yes, we could actually say 'we freeze and checkpoint ubuntu trusty here, at this point, and don't take upgrades anymore'
148 2016-02-19T08:30:50  <wumpus> 'all 0.12 releases will be built with *exactly* this state'. On the other hand, it has to be reproducible by just downloading stuff from ubuntu itself, if we were to provide that image... that creates a way to undermine the whole system
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150 2016-02-19T09:04:34  <midnightmagic> i guess there's an archival something-or-other of packages one could access from.. debian I want to say. but.  ehh. long as people trying to co-build can arrive at identical results.. and besides, for historical versions mine mostly match.
151 2016-02-19T09:04:47  <midnightmagic> like when I build them way after everyone's already moved on.
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154 2016-02-19T09:15:59  <wumpus> good to hear it usually works
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161 2016-02-19T09:37:14  <GitHub62> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0e3ccbfb26b1...b6e00af8193f
162 2016-02-19T09:37:15  <GitHub62> bitcoin/master 7eef1d0 Matthew Zipkin: Clarify description of blockindex...
163 2016-02-19T09:37:15  <GitHub62> bitcoin/master b6e00af Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7541: Clarify description of blockindex...
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165 2016-02-19T09:37:24  <GitHub176> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7541: Clarify description of blockindex (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7541
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171 2016-02-19T10:04:52  <michagogo> 10:29:36 <wumpus> yes, we could actually say 'we freeze and checkpoint ubuntu trusty here, at this point, and don't take upgrades anymore' | 10:30:50 <wumpus> 'all 0.12 releases will be built with *exactly* this state'. On the other hand, it has to be reproducible by just downloading stuff from ubuntu itself, if we were to provide that image... that creates
172 2016-02-19T10:04:53  <michagogo> a way to undermine the whole system
173 2016-02-19T10:05:10  <michagogo> Um, until something that we use gets a critical bug...
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175 2016-02-19T10:05:59  <michagogo> Did this recent libc thing affect us?
176 2016-02-19T10:06:28  <michagogo> If so, what if the news had come out the day after the tag, while people were building?
177 2016-02-19T10:06:47  <wumpus> michagogo: yes, that's why it may not be realistic, there could be gcc bugs, or exploitable bugs on the VM, etc, necessitating an upgrade. And that all would have to be carefully checked, audited and babysitted...
178 2016-02-19T10:07:47  <wumpus> michagogo: not much - libc is linked dynamically, so in every case a distro upgrade of libc will also fix bitcoin core
179 2016-02-19T10:09:11  <wumpus> I'm very happy we didn't choose to release fully statically linked executables, which would have included the buggy code inside our executables
180 2016-02-19T10:11:14  <michagogo> Is there anything (in the builds for any of the 3 platforms) that's statically linked from any of Ubuntu's packages?
181 2016-02-19T10:11:57  <wumpus> yes. For linux at least libc++, for windows all of the mingw platform.
182 2016-02-19T10:12:40  <michagogo> Hm, we have 5 builders
183 2016-02-19T10:12:48  <michagogo> 5 sets of sigs* so far
184 2016-02-19T10:12:58  <michagogo> And the two of us are the only ones for OS X…
185 2016-02-19T10:13:07  <wumpus> uhm for linux libstdcxx, not libc++,that's the clang one
186 2016-02-19T10:13:43  <michagogo> I guess we need cfields around anyway at some point to do the codesigning, so we have enough sigs to go ahead with that as soon as he gets around to building
187 2016-02-19T10:13:43  <wumpus> yes, building OSX is less popular due to the officially-non-distributable input
188 2016-02-19T10:13:53  <michagogo> Yeah, I know
189 2016-02-19T10:14:52  <JackH> when do we have binaries out for 0.12?
190 2016-02-19T10:15:48  <michagogo> wumpus: so yeah, all it takes is for some critical (or even not-so-critical but sufficiently annoying/impactful to the program) bug in any of those and we're screwed
191 2016-02-19T10:16:02  <michagogo> JackH: pretty much whenever cfields gets around to building his
192 2016-02-19T10:16:34  <michagogo> As soon as he's done that we'll have 3 sets of sigs on all platforms and can go ahead with codesigning and releasing
193 2016-02-19T10:16:49  <JackH> so this is it right? 0.12 is officially ready now and there are no more changes?
194 2016-02-19T10:17:00  <michagogo> JackH: but the code's final, so you can build it yourself if you want
195 2016-02-19T10:17:11  <JackH> gotcha, very nice
196 2016-02-19T10:17:17  <michagogo> And I can give you binaries now if you want
197 2016-02-19T10:17:30  <JackH> sure
198 2016-02-19T10:17:59  <michagogo> And yeah, unless some supercritical bug pops up (in which case 0.12.0 will be DOA and we'll probably do a 0.12.0.1), this is it
199 2016-02-19T10:18:15  <michagogo> JackH: not at the computer now, but I'll upload mine soon
200 2016-02-19T10:18:34  <JackH> nice, thanks michagogo
201 2016-02-19T10:18:45  <michagogo> JackH: also, it'd be great if you set up gitian
202 2016-02-19T10:19:17  <michagogo> Would let you easily build your own binaries, and then you could also help contribute to official releases
203 2016-02-19T10:20:33  <JackH> so you have my own build compared to yours?
204 2016-02-19T10:20:55  <p15> I tried to build but qt wouldn't install from homebrew :(
205 2016-02-19T10:21:16  <michagogo> JackH: right
206 2016-02-19T10:21:26  <JackH> I can try that michagogo
207 2016-02-19T10:21:29  <michagogo> p15: have you tried the depends system?
208 2016-02-19T10:21:42  <p15> no
209 2016-02-19T10:21:58  <michagogo> It builds all the dependencies using our own system
210 2016-02-19T10:22:17  <michagogo> I *think* you just need to cd depends && make
211 2016-02-19T10:22:46  <michagogo> And then there's a ./configure argument that uses that
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213 2016-02-19T10:24:56  <michagogo> p15: see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.12.0/depends/README.md
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216 2016-02-19T10:43:34  <wumpus> michagogo: in all cases though, everything that is linked statically from the distro is a part of the toolchain (libgcc, libstdc++, mingw-wrappers-around-windows-libs). There are no ancillary Ubuntu packages statically linked. OSX build takes everything from custom inputs, so is expected to be the least sensitive to changes in the distro.
217 2016-02-19T10:43:50  <wumpus> (in OSX's case even the compiler is taken from somewhere else)
218 2016-02-19T10:44:13  <michagogo> Okay, that's good at least.
219 2016-02-19T10:44:41  <michagogo> I guess that software should (I hope…) be well-maintained
220 2016-02-19T10:44:48  <wumpus> the depends system is supposed to cover any non-toolchain, non-base-OS library
221 2016-02-19T10:45:14  <wumpus> right, at some point there's nothing you can do but hope, unfortunatey
222 2016-02-19T10:45:54  <wumpus> if there's anything to make potential attacks more difficult or more expensive, which doesn't take a lot of manpower to build/maintain, I'd of course like to know
223 2016-02-19T10:47:41  <wumpus> is ubuntu itself going to switch to deterministic builds now that debian will?
224 2016-02-19T10:48:55  <wumpus> if not, it would make sense to change the gitian VM to debian at some point, so that the distro can also be re-built deterministically
225 2016-02-19T10:50:25  <wumpus> https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds
226 2016-02-19T10:50:56  <wumpus> not quite there yet.
227 2016-02-19T10:54:21  <wumpus> (although - in principle - it wouldn't need building the entire distro deterministically; just the 'trusted base set' of packages that we need)
228 2016-02-19T10:55:00  <michagogo> wumpus: ask in #ubuntu
229 2016-02-19T10:55:06  <michagogo> Or maybe -devel
230 2016-02-19T10:55:21  <wumpus> I think it's still too theoretical now I've seen that debian isn't as far along as I thought
231 2016-02-19T10:55:25  <cfields> wumpus: grr, just got to HK. I won't be able to sign until Monday :\
232 2016-02-19T10:56:15  <michagogo> cfields: are you the only one that can ATM?
233 2016-02-19T10:56:32  <wumpus> cfields: well, makes sense to not carry the signing keys along on a visit to China ;)
234 2016-02-19T10:57:40  <cfields> wumpus: yea, i make sure to wipe them when I travel
235 2016-02-19T10:57:53  <jonasschnelli> Hmm.. not sure which keys are more imortant. Windows/OSX bin signing keys or the gitian signing key.
236 2016-02-19T10:58:02  <jonasschnelli> IMO the second one has more value
237 2016-02-19T10:59:33  <cfields> michagogo: yes, but imo that should change, for hit-by-bus reasons if nothing else
238 2016-02-19T10:59:54  <michagogo> jonasschnelli: I disagree
239 2016-02-19T11:00:28  <michagogo> The codesigning cert is all that you need to get an unsuspecting user's OS to trust a binary
240 2016-02-19T11:00:40  <michagogo> It's also a single point of trust
241 2016-02-19T11:01:10  <michagogo> If cfields wants, he can make a malicious bin and get many people to run it
242 2016-02-19T11:01:11  <wumpus>  I don't think it makes much to argue which one is more important, every link can be the weakest link. At least in the gitian case there are multiple signers, so one being compromised would be detected.
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245 2016-02-19T11:01:26  <michagogo> The gitian key is- right.
246 2016-02-19T11:01:46  <cfields> michagogo: i only create a detached sig, never upload the bins
247 2016-02-19T11:01:55  <cfields> michagogo: it's easy enough to verify that the sig is only a sig
248 2016-02-19T11:02:01  <wumpus> cfields signs, I upload the bins to bitcoin.org, good to not have one person do both
249 2016-02-19T11:02:04  <michagogo> It's just one part of a process involving many people (3 at minimum)  all matching
250 2016-02-19T11:02:19  <michagogo> cfields: I know that
251 2016-02-19T11:03:02  <cfields> wumpus: sorry about that. Since we didn't end up with it worked out until last sunday, I figured the tag would be coming Sunday/Monday
252 2016-02-19T11:03:14  <michagogo> I'm saying though, you have the codesigning certs and therefore have the theoretical ability to sign anything you want and OSes will trust that
253 2016-02-19T11:03:44  <wumpus> yes, but everyone can get a codesigning cert
254 2016-02-19T11:04:45  <wumpus> if we relied on the OS' verification ability only, that'd indeed be a huge issue, but there are steps all the way from the source code to uploaded, signed binaries
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256 2016-02-19T11:08:48  <wumpus> would be nice if the OS-specific signing could also be distributed. For example with threshold signatures, but that would require either special OS support or reverse engineering combined with clever crypto. Or something like gitian-downloader built in the OS. One can dream :-)
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258 2016-02-19T11:10:52  <fanquake> wumpus just pushed my sigs up, so you've got a third osx sig now.
259 2016-02-19T11:11:28  <michagogo> fanquake: 4th*, jonasschnelli also just PR'd
260 2016-02-19T11:11:46  <wumpus> fanquake: good, thanks! (though we'll have to wait for monday for the upload, we planned this in the middle of cfields's HK weekend)
261 2016-02-19T11:11:59  <michagogo> But unfortunately the release will have to wait until Monday, when cfields returns from Hong Kong
262 2016-02-19T11:12:06  <fanquake> wumpus no worries.
263 2016-02-19T11:12:39  <michagogo> (And yeah, that kinda illustrates the bus factor here... only temporarily, thankfully)
264 2016-02-19T11:13:35  <michagogo> wumpus: is it just not having the key that prevents you from signing? Or is it a platform issue (e.g. needing a Mac)?
265 2016-02-19T11:15:21  <wumpus> not sure it's fair to talk of a bus factor here. In principle someone else could sign, he doesn't have the one golden key that blocks bitcoin releases forever
266 2016-02-19T11:16:00  <wumpus> it would just take some time for anyone else to get signing keys and get the process to work, in this case it makes sense to just wait for monday, but it's no absolute blocker
267 2016-02-19T11:16:25  <wumpus> michagogo: just distribution of responsibilities
268 2016-02-19T11:16:32  <michagogo> wumpus: okay, fair enough.
269 2016-02-19T11:17:00  <michagogo> Maybe a minibus factor
270 2016-02-19T11:17:03  <wumpus> hehe
271 2016-02-19T11:17:27  <michagogo> Nothing critical, but definitely a major inconvenience
272 2016-02-19T11:18:04  <fanquake> Given we wait ~6 months for a release, I'm sure everyone can handle 2 more days
273 2016-02-19T11:19:03  <fanquake> Looking forward to the new merge phase now that 0.12.0 is done.
274 2016-02-19T11:41:03  <wumpus> what kind of merge phase? master has been open for 0.13.0 changes for a while
275 2016-02-19T11:42:12  <wumpus> and there's already some things that should be backported to 0.12.1
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279 2016-02-19T11:56:11  <wumpus> cfields: btw: I think you introduced the SCRIPT_ERR codes, does checking them in a test, as in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7517, make sense?
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307 2016-02-19T13:54:26  <GitHub98> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #7559: [build-aux] Correct AC_PACKAGE_NAME brackets in bitcoin m4 scripts (master...correct-m4-brackets) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7559
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318 2016-02-19T14:06:16  <GitHub134> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli opened pull request #7560: [OSX] fix brew openssl detection (master...2016/02/osx_openssl) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7560
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331 2016-02-19T14:18:26  <GitHub85> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #7559: [build-aux] Correct AC_PACKAGE_NAME brackets in bitcoin m4 scripts (master...correct-m4-brackets) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7559
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346 2016-02-19T14:46:56  <GitHub113> [bitcoin] fanquake reopened pull request #7559: [build-aux] Correct AC_PACKAGE_NAME brackets in bitcoin m4 scripts (master...correct-m4-brackets) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7559
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357 2016-02-19T14:57:58  <Chris_Stewart_5> Documentation oriented pull requests for the bitcoin core code base is more than welcome right?
358 2016-02-19T14:58:29  <Chris_Stewart_5> I.e. adding c++ docs for function calls
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372 2016-02-19T15:16:15  <GitHub87> [bitcoin] btcdrak opened pull request #7561: IsSuperMajority() softfork for BIPs 68,112 and 113 (master...softfork) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7561
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414 2016-02-19T17:32:54  <GitHub189> [bitcoin] btcdrak opened pull request #7562: Bump transaction version default to 2 (master...txversionbump) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7562
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