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  7 2016-02-23T01:01:58  <jtimon> btw sorry wumpus I published #7565 with a TODO description and the wrong code in it :(
  8 2016-02-23T01:02:28  <jtimon> I force pushed now after adding a description
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 30 2016-02-23T03:16:54  <morcos> Just want to throw a few random thoughts out there.  I don't see anything to worry about, but just in case someone else wants to think about this too.
 31 2016-02-23T03:17:20  <morcos> In working on the fee filter stuff, I've been paying a bit closer attention to how limited mempools as in 0.12 work and in particular interact with each other
 32 2016-02-23T03:17:27  <morcos> There are a couple of slightly odd effects
 33 2016-02-23T03:18:35  <morcos> For one, the expiration period of 72 hours causes some weird frequency effects..  For instance your node from when you start it takes some time to get full the first time, but this is less than 72 hours...  then it stays pretty much rate limited most of the time...
 34 2016-02-23T03:19:11  <morcos> until the first 72 hour mark is hit, then it kind of quickly starts draining and approx 12 hours or whatever number of half lives later, the node isn't limited anymore
 35 2016-02-23T03:19:36  <morcos> its not clear to me exactly how in sync this behavior will be between different nodes...
 36 2016-02-23T03:19:58  <morcos> but it causes kind of bursts of traffic (or at least it sometimes can)
 37 2016-02-23T03:21:07  <morcos> I'm finding it a bit hard to imagine some kind of disaster situation where there is some resonant frequency of the network, but i do think its possible the 72 hour expiration
 38 2016-02-23T03:21:30  <morcos> is doing more harm than good right now.  (given what gets expired is junk that just gets reaccepted some point later)
 39 2016-02-23T03:21:48  <morcos> combining this with built in rebroadcast of txs...   its not super pretty
 40 2016-02-23T03:22:19  <morcos> anyway, if you read the above and say "so...", i think i agree with you, but just wanted to share in case someone thought something more than that.
 41 2016-02-23T03:49:35  <warren> morcos: are you pointing particularly to the bursty resonance as a potential issue?  The way this was dealt with in other widely deployed open source apps was to add a degree of randomness in expiration or periodicity.
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 72 2016-02-23T07:18:35  <cfields> gitian builders: sigs pushed. apologies for the long delay
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 74 2016-02-23T07:22:12  <cfields> off to bed now, will check in tomorrow after ~12hrs of sleep :)
 75 2016-02-23T07:23:25  <btcdrak> cfields: needs code signed :-P
 76 2016-02-23T07:26:44  <cfields> btcdrak: hmm?
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 80 2016-02-23T07:38:57  <btcdrak> cfields: oh I am blind >.<
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 85 2016-02-23T08:07:05  <jonasschnelli> BlueMatt: which commit was not signed?
 86 2016-02-23T08:07:20  <jonasschnelli> The one you referred is https://github.com/jonasschnelli/bitcoin/commit/453c567?
 87 2016-02-23T08:13:47  <jonasschnelli> TZander: marked for BP
 88 2016-02-23T08:14:27  <btcdrak> so long as merge commits and tags are signed, I dont see a problem.
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100 2016-02-23T09:34:26  <JackH> can we download 0.12 yet?
101 2016-02-23T09:40:30  <jonasschnelli> JackH: you need to download the sources and compile it yourself.
102 2016-02-23T09:40:52  <jonasschnelli> Or, you can take a risk and download my 0.12.0 build: https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/releasebuilds/v0.12.0/
103 2016-02-23T09:40:58  <jonasschnelli> But compare the gitian signatures first.
104 2016-02-23T09:41:40  <JackH> who are we waiting for? cfields still?
105 2016-02-23T09:42:03  <jonasschnelli> Yes. He needs to sign the binaries with the OSX/Windows code signing key.
106 2016-02-23T09:42:45  <wumpus> he has uploaded signatures
107 2016-02-23T09:43:20  <wumpus> so just a matter of waiting until 3+ people have attached then and pushed to the repo
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115 2016-02-23T10:08:37  <JackH> is ZeroMQ a stand alone wrapper for TCP, or does it require the daemon to run?
116 2016-02-23T10:14:32  <jonasschnelli> JackH: it's a flexible communication/messaging protocol, it does not require a daemon
117 2016-02-23T10:15:28  <JackH> yes I read about it, but how exactly do we use it together with bitcoin? do you bind it to 8333?
118 2016-02-23T10:15:30  <jonasschnelli> bitcoind just tries to broadcast blocks/txes to the configured ZMQ url
119 2016-02-23T10:15:50  <jonasschnelli> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/zmq.md
120 2016-02-23T10:16:00  <jonasschnelli> You use something like: bitcoind -zmqpubhashtx=tcp://127.0.0.1:28332
121 2016-02-23T10:16:17  <jonasschnelli> and you can listen (with another application) on tcp://127.0.0.1:28332
122 2016-02-23T10:17:25  <fanquake> wumpus PR'd my signed sigs
123 2016-02-23T10:18:45  <wumpus> thanks, merged
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125 2016-02-23T10:19:42  <JackH> ahh now I get how its put together, thanks jonasschnelli
126 2016-02-23T10:19:51  <JackH> order is back into my world
127 2016-02-23T10:19:57  <jtimon> JackH: the zmq req/resp pattern has not been implemented as an alternative to the RPC interface if you were wondering that
128 2016-02-23T10:20:08  <jtimon> ok, never mind then
129 2016-02-23T10:20:09  <JackH> gotcha
130 2016-02-23T10:20:18  <JackH> yeah this was the confusing point
131 2016-02-23T10:20:26  <JackH> if it was alternate to RPC or not
132 2016-02-23T10:20:37  <jonasschnelli> It's not an alternative for RPC.
133 2016-02-23T10:20:56  <jonasschnelli> at the moment, it's more a "push-channel" for new blocks/transactions
134 2016-02-23T10:21:07  <jtimon> I mean, we could do that too now that the zmq optional dependency is there, but nobody has coded it yet
135 2016-02-23T10:21:09  <jonasschnelli> Alternative for the -blocknotify
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137 2016-02-23T10:21:54  <jonasschnelli> The ugly thing with RPC is, you can get informed when a new block arrives without endless pulling.
138 2016-02-23T10:22:06  <jonasschnelli> Another solution would be long-poll
139 2016-02-23T10:22:11  <jonasschnelli> (over RPC)
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141 2016-02-23T10:25:37  <jtimon> I just meant a zmq equivalent of the whole RPC API (using zmq's req/resp pattern), I'm not sure we're still talking about the same thing
142 2016-02-23T10:28:36  <jonasschnelli> jtimon: Yes. This would work... but where would be the benefits?
143 2016-02-23T10:30:49  <jtimon> maybe interacting with the zmq API is more convenient to some than interacting with the RPC? (ie like the "rest" API may be more convenient than the RPC?). To be clear, I'm not sure it's worth doing, just saying that it could be done
144 2016-02-23T10:31:25  <wumpus> no, that would be overkill, we already have RPC and rest, no need to add another way to query. zmq is meant for notification only
145 2016-02-23T10:31:39  <wumpus> (zmq in bitcoin core, I mean)
146 2016-02-23T10:32:23  <jtimon> yeah, probably not worth it, but I thought that may be what JackH was looking for, that's all
147 2016-02-23T10:32:57  <jtimon> s/looking for/ expecting about zmq in bitcoin core
148 2016-02-23T10:33:06  <JackH> I was just looking to understand how it fit
149 2016-02-23T10:33:26  <wumpus> and I don't think anything can beat rest with regard to ease of API usage
150 2016-02-23T10:35:23  <wumpus> jtimon: yes, agreed, it would be possible (I think there's even a pull around somewhere, one of the first zmq pulls, that enabled command submission through it)
151 2016-02-23T10:50:10  <jonasschnelli> 3xgitian sigs available now: https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs/pull/322
152 2016-02-23T10:50:44  <jonasschnelli> x4: https://github.com/bitcoin/gitian.sigs/pull/323
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154 2016-02-23T10:52:37  <btcdrak> We are go go!
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158 2016-02-23T10:58:01  <JackH> \o/
159 2016-02-23T10:58:59  <JackH> this release will produce about 120 conspiracy posts on reddit
160 2016-02-23T10:59:19  <michagogo> Fanquake: you messed up your windows sig
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162 2016-02-23T11:36:16  <gamersg> regarding the reduced disk usage for wallets in 0.12, will this automatically reduce file size of older wallets created in prior versions?
163 2016-02-23T11:36:30  <wumpus> no, nothing will happen automatically
164 2016-02-23T11:37:06  <wumpus> it doesn't matter whether it is an old or new wallet though, the instructions for enabling pruning are the same
165 2016-02-23T11:37:51  <gamersg> wumpus: im not talking about blockchain
166 2016-02-23T11:38:01  <gamersg> wumpus: the wallet.dat file
167 2016-02-23T11:38:49  <wumpus> you mean removing the merkle proofs? I don't know, may require database compaction or such for it actually to reduce the size of the dat
168 2016-02-23T11:39:20  <gamersg> oh looks like the release notes were talking about pruning
169 2016-02-23T11:39:40  <JackH> cool gui on 0.12
170 2016-02-23T11:39:43  <gamersg> im quite sure i read somewhere that txn proofs were being stored in the .dat file which are unnecessary now
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184 2016-02-23T12:18:17  <PRab> How did we get so many gitian signed builds of 0.12.0 so quickly?
185 2016-02-23T12:18:38  <btcdrak> haha, everyone was itching for the release.
186 2016-02-23T12:18:54  <PRab> The detached sigs were posted at 2am (eastern) and now just 5 hours later there are enough merged to release.
187 2016-02-23T12:19:35  <PRab> I love that we were able to release so quickly, but the timing is almost unnaturally tight.
188 2016-02-23T12:23:51  <btcdrak> PRab: *shrug*, all the QA and deterministic processes were fulfilled.
189 2016-02-23T12:23:55  <wumpus> in constrast to the build, attaching signatures goes really fast, ~10 min at most for both Win+OSX
190 2016-02-23T12:24:23  <wumpus> (and most of that is VM setup and teardown)
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193 2016-02-23T12:25:19  <PRab> agreed. I wonder where most of the gitian builders are. In the USA, that was all during the middle of the night. For people elsewhere, it makes perfect sense.
194 2016-02-23T12:26:07  <wumpus> yea, lots of devs from Europe
195 2016-02-23T12:26:27  <btcdrak> wumpus: so where is the party? we need a holiday now
196 2016-02-23T12:27:25  <PRab> Either way, cool that it is officially released!!
197 2016-02-23T12:27:30  <PRab> Keep up the good work.
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202 2016-02-23T12:29:39  <slackircbridge> <mrhodl> Tor is on by default now, right?
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204 2016-02-23T12:30:28  <PRab> laudam, theymos, and achow101 probably should add their gpg key to /contrib/gitian-downloader
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206 2016-02-23T12:33:36  <GitHub107> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a08c41dfc23234064da322159652b44684df9375
207 2016-02-23T12:33:36  <GitHub107> bitcoin/master a08c41d Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: include post-mortem fixes to 0.12.0 release notes...
208 2016-02-23T12:34:14  <btcdrak> lol, "post-mortem".
209 2016-02-23T12:34:25  <wumpus> :)
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217 2016-02-23T12:58:45  <michagogo> 14:23:55 <wumpus> in constrast to the build, attaching signatures goes really fast, ~10 min at most for both Win+OSX
218 2016-02-23T12:59:06  <michagogo> If you use LXC and -i, it's really fast
219 2016-02-23T12:59:38  <michagogo> Mine probably completed the whole process within 3-5 minutes
220 2016-02-23T13:02:13  <michagogo> (That's the entire script, including updating the git repos, installing the packages, building, signing, committing, pushing, and PRing)
221 2016-02-23T13:10:49  <wumpus> nice
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230 2016-02-23T13:32:54  <btcdrak> .
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244 2016-02-23T14:39:47  <instagibbs> wumpus, can I submit another post-mortem? :)
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247 2016-02-23T14:43:50  <wumpus> instagibbs: sure, although the longer you wait the less sense it makes (and you'll need to apply to both bitcoin.org and bitcoin now)
248 2016-02-23T14:45:56  <instagibbs> I asked earlier and didn't get a clear answer :/
249 2016-02-23T14:46:11  <instagibbs> I'll send something up
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251 2016-02-23T14:54:35  <GitHub108> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #7581: Corrections of 0.12 release notes (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7581
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279 2016-02-23T17:43:37  <zooko> How was the bitcoin-dev mailing list GNU Mailman configured to hold all postings for moderation?
280 2016-02-23T17:43:42  <zooko> I'd like to try the same thing on zcash-dev.
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287 2016-02-23T18:45:58  <instagibbs> ^^^ kanzure
288 2016-02-23T18:48:01  <kanzure> instagibbs: thank you
289 2016-02-23T18:48:39  <kanzure> zooko: it's manual, sadly. the mailing list that moderated emails are sent to is configured to only allow email from bitcoin-dev-owner@lists.linuxfoundation.org, that's the only configuration detail. when rejecting email, the moderator has to type bitcoin-dev-moderation@lists.ozlabs.org into the bitcoin-dev moderation queue interface.
290 2016-02-23T18:49:00  <kanzure> zooko: (and also check a box to forward the rejected email)
291 2016-02-23T18:50:14  <kanzure> instagibbs: slack notifications for bitcoin irc mentions is pretty cool, it works.
292 2016-02-23T18:50:19  <kanzure> cc btcdrak
293 2016-02-23T18:55:07  <btcdrak> kanzure: so it's setup as one way because I am worried about moderation difficulties: if someone spams the Slack channel, IRC moderators can only ban the bot, which would then cut the feed.
294 2016-02-23T18:55:10  <GitHub47> [bitcoin] infertux opened pull request #7583: [doc] Fix typos (master...fix-typo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7583
295 2016-02-23T18:56:09  <kanzure> btcdrak: yep makes sense. still, this works out pretty well.
296 2016-02-23T18:57:07  <btcdrak> kanzure: it certainly improves visibility.
297 2016-02-23T18:57:30  <instagibbs> can I ping myself on slack? instagibbs
298 2016-02-23T18:57:38  <btcdrak> heh
299 2016-02-23T18:57:40  <instagibbs> (sorry, OT...)
300 2016-02-23T18:57:40  <kanzure> yes
301 2016-02-23T18:57:46  <btcdrak> ping btcdrak
302 2016-02-23T18:58:41  <kanzure> i already mentioned this in -dev btw :P
303 2016-02-23T18:59:32  <instagibbs> I was somehow logged out of that room
304 2016-02-23T18:59:34  <instagibbs> :)
305 2016-02-23T19:00:30  <btcdrak> The IRC channel bridges are also logged at http://bitcoincore.slackarchive.io/
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