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 27 2016-06-29T03:28:33  <GitHub61> [bitcoin] jmcorgan opened pull request #8284: Backport remaining commits for out-of-tree builds from master to 0.12 branch (0.12...build-oot-0.12) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8284
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 72 2016-06-29T08:41:58  <GitHub81> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3685e0c1da29...6a87eb0e4b47
 73 2016-06-29T08:41:58  <GitHub81> bitcoin/master a7897c0 Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Remove client name from debug window...
 74 2016-06-29T08:41:59  <GitHub81> bitcoin/master 6a87eb0 Jonas Schnelli: Merge #8281: qt: Remove client name from debug window...
 75 2016-06-29T08:42:08  <GitHub119> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli closed pull request #8281: qt: Remove client name from debug window (master...2016_06_qt_remove_client_name) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8281
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 78 2016-06-29T08:43:03  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: merged #8281 after the freeze (trivial non-feature). I hope this is okay...
 79 2016-06-29T08:49:17  <wumpus> sure :)
 80 2016-06-29T08:49:40  <wumpus> removing things is never a problem after the freeze
 81 2016-06-29T08:49:46  <wumpus> thanks for testing
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 91 2016-06-29T10:01:02  <NicolasDorier> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/iXD6zdrp/
 92 2016-06-29T10:01:08  <NicolasDorier> looooooong timeout
 93 2016-06-29T10:01:36  <NicolasDorier> it was blocked, and strangely, when, I hit "Enter" in the console windows, all the socket dropped
 94 2016-06-29T10:01:57  <NicolasDorier> it is not the first time where I see a windows app completely frozen and unlocked by hitting enter in the console windows
 95 2016-06-29T10:02:30  <NicolasDorier> I guess the long timeout and this problem are related. But not really sure it comes from bitcoind.
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 97 2016-06-29T10:05:57  <wumpus> I've heard of the problem before, seems only to happen with windows bitcoind.exe
 98 2016-06-29T10:06:34  <wumpus> one guess would be that the network code somehow ends up reading from the console file descriptor, blocking it
 99 2016-06-29T10:07:54  <wumpus> pretty rare and annoying to debug, I hope cfields's libevent networking will make it go away
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113 2016-06-29T11:41:04  <GitHub75> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #8285: windows: Add testnet link to installer (master...2016_06_testnet_link_windows) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8285
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117 2016-06-29T12:28:59  <jonasschnelli> On my XEON E3 machine I get the deadlock assertions all the time...
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123 2016-06-29T13:15:38  <wumpus> jonasschnelli: which deadlock assertion?
124 2016-06-29T13:23:05  <wumpus> in networking?
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131 2016-06-29T13:51:45  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: yes. Always the same one: https://0bin.net/paste/p7d5aWJ1VUohM5ss#pNvMfpotISfZWnhH5sZgg6dzVKEWK6sEALP8YHgkfzU
132 2016-06-29T13:52:01  <jonasschnelli> Can't really run master with --enable-debug on that machine..
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134 2016-06-29T13:57:40  <MarcoFalke> Could the testnet windows link cause any problems/confusion when a user does not know the distinction between mainnet and testnet?
135 2016-06-29T13:59:39  <sipa> It may result in people accidentally starting to use it, and testnet gaining exchange value again :p
136 2016-06-29T14:01:25  <jonasschnelli> hehe...
137 2016-06-29T14:01:42  <jonasschnelli> We could move it into a folder called "development/" or so in the windows startmenu?!
138 2016-06-29T14:02:06  <jonasschnelli> No strong opinion though.
139 2016-06-29T14:20:51  <GitHub67> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #8286: [doc] typos, READMEs, comments, headers (master...Mf1607-trivialPre13) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8286
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143 2016-06-29T14:37:18  <wumpus> sigh
144 2016-06-29T14:37:32  <wumpus> couldn't we have that discussion *before* I started implementing it? I wouldn't have bothered
145 2016-06-29T14:37:38  <wumpus> I'd say a green icon and (testnet) would eb clear enough
146 2016-06-29T14:37:41  <wumpus> but if not, never mind
147 2016-06-29T14:38:19  <MarcoFalke> It is helpful for 0.13
148 2016-06-29T14:38:34  <MarcoFalke> but we may want to revert  it for 0.14
149 2016-06-29T14:38:43  <wumpus> why?
150 2016-06-29T14:39:06  <wumpus> the issue was that people don't test on testnet enough
151 2016-06-29T14:39:43  <sipa> i think it is fine
152 2016-06-29T14:39:46  <wumpus> I'm not sure why that'd be version dependent
153 2016-06-29T14:39:49  <MarcoFalke> On the other hand. The people that can't figure out how to start testnet are not going to do fancy pentesting
154 2016-06-29T14:39:56  <sipa> i think testnet gaining value would be a fantastic problem to have
155 2016-06-29T14:40:14  <sipa> because it would imply it is being used
156 2016-06-29T14:40:27  <wumpus> so is it anywhere in the testnet GUI not clear that it is running testnet?
157 2016-06-29T14:40:39  <wumpus> the icon color is different, the splash is different, the window title is different
158 2016-06-29T14:40:44  <sipa> it doesn't even accept the same addresses
159 2016-06-29T14:40:51  <wumpus> right!
160 2016-06-29T14:40:51  <wumpus> I'd say if people get confused by that, that's toobad for them
161 2016-06-29T14:40:56  <sipa> nobody will accidentally try to pay from the testnet client
162 2016-06-29T14:41:10  <sipa> if there are complaints about it causing confusion we can address them
163 2016-06-29T14:41:11  <wumpus> nodoby can have themselves paid out to a testnet client
164 2016-06-29T14:41:22  <sipa> i think it's a good thing regardless to give testnet more exposure
165 2016-06-29T14:41:31  <wumpus> anyhow, we should have had this discussion sooner, I wouldn't have dived into all the windows bullshit
166 2016-06-29T14:41:40  <sipa> i think it's all fine
167 2016-06-29T14:41:43  <MarcoFalke> Sure, nothing fatal can happen.
168 2016-06-29T14:41:45  <wumpus> it's not like it is any fun
169 2016-06-29T14:41:55  <wumpus> I thought there was agreement to do it
170 2016-06-29T14:42:01  <sipa> there was
171 2016-06-29T14:42:46  <sipa> and there is, as far as i'm concerned
172 2016-06-29T14:42:49  <wumpus> let's not be over-worried, if you should be worried about something it'd be a fatal bug in any new feature of 0.13
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174 2016-06-29T14:43:46  <MarcoFalke> Agree, we should totally  try that and see what happens.
175 2016-06-29T14:45:00  <MarcoFalke> Maybe we can then close https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3172
176 2016-06-29T14:45:56  <wumpus> that one was never entirely clear to me, it's not a request for  bitcoin core feature
177 2016-06-29T14:46:42  <wumpus> (at least how I read it it could be implemented as an external script in terms of rpc)
178 2016-06-29T14:47:16  <wumpus> jonasschnelli: thanks for the new icon, going to try
179 2016-06-29T14:47:17  <sipa> I think 3172 proposes a service which we run
180 2016-06-29T14:47:23  <sipa> the code for which could be included in the reposiutory
181 2016-06-29T14:47:46  <wumpus> I don't think it's something we want to encourage though
182 2016-06-29T14:47:48  <wumpus> bouncing coins that way
183 2016-06-29T14:48:00  <wumpus> people may think it's a valid way to refund
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185 2016-06-29T14:48:35  <wumpus> if someone wants to make a service like that, they can, anyhow
186 2016-06-29T14:49:30  <paveljanik> the only confusion can be sample address in the Pay To in the Send tab. It is 1NS... which is a bad example in testnet.
187 2016-06-29T14:50:15  <sipa> we could add an exampleaddress std::string to chainparams
188 2016-06-29T14:50:26  <wumpus> or heck, just remove the example address
189 2016-06-29T14:50:46  <paveljanik> I'd prefer removal, yes :-)
190 2016-06-29T14:50:51  <wumpus> especially with the new address formats coming up
191 2016-06-29T14:50:52  <sipa> also fine
192 2016-06-29T14:51:42  <paveljanik> or we can take an address used in coinbase of the genesis block
193 2016-06-29T14:51:45  <paveljanik> 8)
194 2016-06-29T14:52:08  <wumpus> lol, it doesn't have to be a valid address at al
195 2016-06-29T14:52:16  <wumpus> it's not like people are supposed to send to it
196 2016-06-29T14:52:49  <wumpus> (it's luckily not easy to do that, as it will disappear if you start typing)
197 2016-06-29T14:53:01  <paveljanik> yes, but better to show them something they are supposed to enter in the field.
198 2016-06-29T14:53:25  <paveljanik> you can't even copy&paste it... so this is good.
199 2016-06-29T14:53:35  <wumpus> although I've never even thought about people trying to do that - removing the example address is definitely safest
200 2016-06-29T14:53:43  <wumpus> indeed, you can't
201 2016-06-29T14:53:54  <wumpus> you could make a screenshot then type it over
202 2016-06-29T14:53:58  <wumpus> or OCR it :-)
203 2016-06-29T14:54:16  <paveljanik> providing example address can be of some value though, for some people...
204 2016-06-29T14:54:20  <wumpus> or just memorize it
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206 2016-06-29T14:54:41  <wumpus> nah, all in all, it's probably a liability
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208 2016-06-29T14:54:58  <wumpus> I also used to have that opinion that it had some value, but that value may well be slightly negative :)
209 2016-06-29T14:56:15  <wumpus> can we generate an address that *looks* like an address for current network
210 2016-06-29T14:56:18  <wumpus> but is invalid?
211 2016-06-29T14:56:34  <wumpus> we can't change that message anymore for 0.13 as its part of a translation strnig
212 2016-06-29T14:56:48  <wumpus> but the address is parametrized
213 2016-06-29T14:57:58  <wumpus> maybe instead of  a full address show the first few characters and ...
214 2016-06-29T14:58:38  <paveljanik> then we can print the address for pubkey 0.
215 2016-06-29T14:58:53  <paveljanik> privkey of course
216 2016-06-29T14:59:04  <paveljanik> 1HZ or so it was...
217 2016-06-29T14:59:15  <wumpus> pubkey 0 would work too, probably easier to generate
218 2016-06-29T14:59:53  <paveljanik> isn't pubkey 0 valid? ;-)
219 2016-06-29T15:00:15  <sipa> the example address IS an invalid address i hope
220 2016-06-29T15:00:17  <paveljanik> privkey 0 is valid when sending 8)
221 2016-06-29T15:00:22  <sipa> like, its checksum fails
222 2016-06-29T15:01:15  <wumpus> IIRC it is valid
223 2016-06-29T15:01:44  <wumpus> src/test/data/base58_encode_decode.json:["00eb15231dfceb60925886b67d065299925915aeb172c06647", "1NS17iag9jJgTHD1VXjvLCEnZuQ3rJDE9L"],
224 2016-06-29T15:02:45  <wumpus> ok it's just valid base58, not more, you may be right about the checksum
225 2016-06-29T15:04:18  <wumpus> simple enough to use the same principle to generate an address on the fly with the correct network-specific prefix
226 2016-06-29T15:06:16  <GitHub69> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #8287: [wallet] Set fLimitFree = true (master...Mf1607-walletLimitFree) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8287
227 2016-06-29T15:11:11  <MarcoFalke> paveljanik: Off-by-one for boolean is fatal. I am pretty sure I got it right :)
228 2016-06-29T15:12:02  <sipa> In other news: C++17 removes the ++ operator for booleans
229 2016-06-29T15:12:07  <paveljanik> MarcoFalke, ;-) So in the sendrawtransaction you have just set it to false as it was before, only named the constant.
230 2016-06-29T15:12:53  <paveljanik> so in the commit with =true, you applied +bool fLimitFree = false; ;-)
231 2016-06-29T15:13:27  <paveljanik> a bit unexpected :-)
232 2016-06-29T15:13:32  <MarcoFalke> The rpc is just refactoring
233 2016-06-29T15:13:36  <paveljanik> but correct :-)
234 2016-06-29T15:13:37  <paveljanik> yes
235 2016-06-29T15:13:49  <MarcoFalke> Hopefully someone will remove that soon
236 2016-06-29T15:13:51  <MarcoFalke> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7533#discussion_r57856636
237 2016-06-29T15:15:42  <paveljanik> but there are usecases where you want to accept free tx into your mempool. Especially when it is submitted locally...
238 2016-06-29T15:16:49  <MarcoFalke> Then do it via sendrawtx
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240 2016-06-29T15:20:13  <paveljanik> right now, yes. But after removal?
241 2016-06-29T15:21:12  <MarcoFalke> 7533 would make it such that you could overwrite it
242 2016-06-29T15:21:50  <MarcoFalke> Instead of an infinite list of params you just pass a set
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244 2016-06-29T15:34:50  <GitHub175> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #8288: qt: Network-specific example address (master...2016_06_network_based_example_address) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8288
245 2016-06-29T15:36:32  <wumpus> voila
246 2016-06-29T15:40:03  <paveljanik> FYI, github fixed the certificate on githubusercontent.com....
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260 2016-06-29T16:41:43  <GitHub15> [bitcoin] roques opened pull request #8289: bash-completion: Adapt for 0.12 and 0.13 (master...completion) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8289
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271 2016-06-29T17:46:16  <luke-jr> wumpus: what is your LC_COLLATE? :/
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309 2016-06-29T21:32:00  <GitHub73> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #8291: [util] CopyrightHolders: Check for untranslated substitution (master...Mf1607-utilCopy) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8291
310 2016-06-29T21:37:16  <NicolasDorier> wumpus: I'm not sure the timeout comes from network code. It already happened to me before any connection were done. (ie, when I rebooted, during the block verification phase) I don't think we should bother though, I'm almost sure it happened to me on other projects, and I've not seen it happening without printtoconsole
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