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  4 2016-08-12T00:55:00  <achow101> my sigs up as well. Matches michagogo's
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  9 2016-08-12T01:20:09  <Lightsword> is compact blocks supposed to use a nServices flag? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/d612837814020ae832499d18e6ee5eb919a87907/src/protocol.h#L251-L278
 10 2016-08-12T01:21:52  <sipa> luke-jr: no
 11 2016-08-12T01:21:54  <sipa> eh
 12 2016-08-12T01:21:55  <sipa> Lightsword: no
 13 2016-08-12T01:22:49  <sipa> from https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-May/012630.html:
 14 2016-08-12T01:23:10  <sipa> In line with recent trends, neither service bits nor protocol versions
 15 2016-08-12T01:23:11  <sipa> are particularly well-suited for this purpose. Protocol versions are
 16 2016-08-12T01:23:11  <sipa> impossible to handle sanely across different nodes on the network, as
 17 2016-08-12T01:23:11  <sipa> they cannot indicate optional features. Service bits, while somewhat
 18 2016-08-12T01:23:11  <sipa> more appropriate for this purpose, are a very limited resource which is
 19 2016-08-12T01:23:13  <sipa> generally better suited to indicating significant new features which
 20 2016-08-12T01:23:16  <sipa> nodes might need for correct operation, and thus might wish to actively
 21 2016-08-12T01:23:19  <sipa> seek out when making connections. I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that
 22 2016-08-12T01:23:22  <sipa> here, and absent that recent agreement preferred message-based feature
 23 2016-08-12T01:23:24  <sipa> indication instead of version-message-extension.
 24 2016-08-12T01:23:27  <sipa> oops, that paste was longer than i expected
 25 2016-08-12T01:28:05  <Lightsword> oh, so identification of compact blocks support is just based on MSG_CMPCT_BLOCK?
 26 2016-08-12T01:28:25  <sipa> no, based on sendcmpct
 27 2016-08-12T01:32:36  <Lightsword> sipa, so that won’t conflict with other messages unless something else used “sendcmpct” in NetMsgType here right? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/d612837814020ae832499d18e6ee5eb919a87907/src/protocol.cpp#L38
 28 2016-08-12T01:33:03  <sipa> yes
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 31 2016-08-12T01:50:40  <gmaxwell> yea, and 12 bytes gives a lot more 'version space' than 32 bits. :P
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 39 2016-08-12T02:40:52  <cfields> luke-jr: yes, those were already there. but in fairness, i wouldn't have caught them anyway. i'm not familiar enough with the code to review for actual correctness, i'm pretty much just looking at each commit with the assumption that everything around it is sane
 40 2016-08-12T02:41:32  <cfields> (actually, i like to think i would've spotted the uninit bug :)
 41 2016-08-12T02:42:15  <cfields> michagogo: thanks. had dinner while builds were cranking, working on sigs now
 42 2016-08-12T02:42:35  <cfields> and thanks achow101 as well
 43 2016-08-12T02:48:48  <luke-jr> cfields: I only managed to catch them as a result of the unit tests
 44 2016-08-12T02:50:43  <cfields> ah
 45 2016-08-12T02:52:04  <cfields> sipa: what's going on with your gpg key? iirc I meant to ask you a while ago (rc2 sig, maybe?). It doesn't look like any of your known (to me) keys
 46 2016-08-12T02:53:37  <sipa> uh
 47 2016-08-12T02:53:42  <sipa> which one did i sgn with?
 48 2016-08-12T02:54:36  <cfields> 9692 B91B BF0E 8D34 DFD3  3B18 82C5 C009 628E CF0C
 49 2016-08-12T02:55:02  <sipa> is that a subkey?
 50 2016-08-12T02:56:51  <cfields> oh wait, that's michagogo's
 51 2016-08-12T02:59:03  <cfields> 79A1A931
 52 2016-08-12T03:00:22  <cfields> looks like a new key. created: 2015-10-20
 53 2016-08-12T03:14:47  <sipa> yes, thT's my current key
 54 2016-08-12T03:15:59  <sipa> have you not signed that one?
 55 2016-08-12T03:16:52  <sipa> main key fingerprint is 133E AC17 9436 F14A 5CF1  B794 860F EB80 4E66 9320
 56 2016-08-12T03:17:03  <sipa> that should be on bitcoin.org even
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 58 2016-08-12T03:25:29  <cfields> sipa: i just signed yours recently. must be some local issue, i'll poke around
 59 2016-08-12T03:29:54  <sipa> cfields: well the key id you're listing in the subkey
 60 2016-08-12T03:30:05  <sipa> maybe somehow you don't recognize that somehow?
 61 2016-08-12T03:31:45  <cfields> sipa: ok, fetched and all good now. thanks.
 62 2016-08-12T03:46:39  <cfields> gitian builders: detached sigs pushed for rc3
 63 2016-08-12T04:36:58  <jl2012> is it allowed to build for linux/windows/osx at the same time?
 64 2016-08-12T04:38:43  <sipa> if you have separate gitin-builder directories
 65 2016-08-12T04:39:49  <jl2012> thanks
 66 2016-08-12T05:08:54  <jl2012> the manual recommends ./bin/gbuild --memory 3000 ; could I assign more memory to make it faster?
 67 2016-08-12T05:11:19  <sipa> i don't think so
 68 2016-08-12T05:11:38  <sipa> you can give it more cpu cores if you have those, and correspondingly more memory
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 76 2016-08-12T06:43:12  <btcdrak> an interesting comment from someone on Slack  https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1xdZSObI/Screenshot_20160812-074155.png
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 80 2016-08-12T07:11:00  <luke-jr> "Helped someone IBD" :P
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 84 2016-08-12T07:42:36  <sipa> btcdrak: i totally support that idea
 85 2016-08-12T08:03:30  <jl2012> the linux build took 3.5 hours and is still building. Is that normal?
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 89 2016-08-12T08:09:02  <luke-jr> jl2012: probably the first time for the new dependencies?
 90 2016-08-12T08:12:02  <jl2012> i don't know. the last line of build.log is currently   CXX      libbitcoin_server_a-miner.o
 91 2016-08-12T08:15:03  <sipa> jl2012: so the linux build is buding for 4 different architectures
 92 2016-08-12T08:15:13  <sipa> and each of those 4 rewuires building all dependencies
 93 2016-08-12T08:15:17  <sipa> including boost
 94 2016-08-12T08:15:24  <sipa> two of them require building qt
 95 2016-08-12T08:16:50  <jl2012> so >3.5 hours is normal?
 96 2016-08-12T08:17:06  <sipa> i believe so
 97 2016-08-12T08:17:14  <jl2012> i give it 8 atom cores and 3GB memory
 98 2016-08-12T08:17:18  <sipa> it's much faster when you do with a sexons te
 99 2016-08-12T08:17:22  <sipa> second time
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102 2016-08-12T08:37:46  <jonasschnelli> btcdrak: Yes. I agree that we need more "gamification"... I'm currently working on a simple mempool visualization
103 2016-08-12T08:38:00  <jonasschnelli> Reward system... sounds a bit to close to games..
104 2016-08-12T08:38:08  <jonasschnelli> which bitcoin definitively isn't
105 2016-08-12T08:47:43  <sipa> "achievement unlocked! sent a raw transaction on testnet"
106 2016-08-12T08:47:50  <jonasschnelli> hehe
107 2016-08-12T08:48:13  <jonasschnelli> "achievement unlocked! You deleted your first private key and lost some coins"
108 2016-08-12T08:48:30  <murch> jonasschnelli: Oh, that would  be a common one ;)
109 2016-08-12T08:49:11  <jonasschnelli> achievement unlocked! You have encountered your first block-corruption
110 2016-08-12T08:49:20  * jonasschnelli does stop now
111 2016-08-12T08:50:32  <murch> but seriously, more visibility of your contributions would be neat. I.e. how many requests your node answered, or how much data you provided to the network
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113 2016-08-12T08:51:10  <jonasschnelli> murch: Yes. This would be nice. I'm working on stats stuff for Qt
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115 2016-08-12T08:52:10  <murch> very nice. :)
116 2016-08-12T08:52:26  <sipa> "achievement unlocked! locked all your coins in a locktime output for 1 year!"
117 2016-08-12T08:52:40  <jonasschnelli> hehe
118 2016-08-12T08:52:57  * sipa zZzZ
119 2016-08-12T08:53:05  <murch> sipa: Do you ever sleep? :p
120 2016-08-12T08:53:21  <jonasschnelli> He can still blame the jetlag
121 2016-08-12T08:53:26  <murch> yeah
122 2016-08-12T08:53:44  <sipa> murch: it's 2am here
123 2016-08-12T08:53:55  <murch> sipa:  I know. ;)
124 2016-08-12T08:54:13  <murch> apropos jetlag: Would sometime next week in Basel be good for sipa and jonasschnelli?
125 2016-08-12T08:54:42  <jonasschnelli> I'm here (in Basel) and mostly available for a chat
126 2016-08-12T08:56:52  <murch> sipa and I would perhaps like to get together for a beer sometime. My sis lives close to Basel, and just made me an uncle, so I'd be around Basel sometime again. sipa proposed that in Basel we could include you. :)
127 2016-08-12T08:57:03  <murch> sipa: correct me if I'm misrepresenting that
128 2016-08-12T08:57:25  <sipa> sure, i can come to basel next week
129 2016-08-12T08:58:07  <murch> jonasschnelli: I'm currently working on a Master thesis on Coin Selection. You might recognize my nickname from Bitcoin.Stackexchange.com ;)
130 2016-08-12T09:00:19  <jonasschnelli> Yes. We know you murch.
131 2016-08-12T09:00:31  <murch> oh dear :p
132 2016-08-12T09:00:42  <jonasschnelli> I'm available next week, mostly afternoons or between 10:00 and 11:00 am local time.
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134 2016-08-12T09:07:14  <murch> Okay, how about Thursday afternoon?
135 2016-08-12T09:08:43  <murch> sipa, jonasschnelli: perhaps we should take this to a private channel?
136 2016-08-12T09:08:54  <jonasschnelli> yes.
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158 2016-08-12T12:00:39  <GitHub4> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli opened pull request #8501: Add mempool statistics collector (master...2016/08/stats_rpc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8501
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162 2016-08-12T12:12:38  <JZA> is the linux foundation bitcoin-dev the official mailing list for bitcoin-core development?
163 2016-08-12T12:12:43  <JZA> or is it a satelite one?
164 2016-08-12T12:12:54  <JZA> is pretty low traffic so I wonder.
165 2016-08-12T12:14:12  <jonasschnelli> JZA: bitcoin-dev is more for protocol discussion (must not be directly related to Bitcoin-Core)
166 2016-08-12T12:14:36  <jonasschnelli> There is also a bitcoin-core lf mailing list,... this would be for Bitcoin-Core topics
167 2016-08-12T12:14:39  <jonasschnelli> But low traffic.
168 2016-08-12T12:15:03  <wumpus> but even more low-traffic. Most bitcoin developer don't like mailling lists a lot, it seems, most discussion happens on github and IRC
169 2016-08-12T12:15:22  <michagogo> cfields: Thanks, got my signed sigs pushed.
170 2016-08-12T12:15:46  <michagogo> https://github.com/bitcoin-core/gitian.sigs/pull/385
171 2016-08-12T12:16:43  <jonasschnelli> I just built the code-signed binares... are the detaches signatures even already uploaded?
172 2016-08-12T12:17:24  <wumpus> I'm a bit late with building, turned it on yesterday before going to sleep, but then had the usual lxc-after-reboot issue so it didn't continue
173 2016-08-12T12:19:51  <michagogo> jonasschnelli: yep
174 2016-08-12T12:20:11  <michagogo> (otherwise you couldn't have built the code-signed binaries...?)
175 2016-08-12T12:20:34  <michagogo> 06:46:49 <cfields> gitian builders: detached sigs pushed for rc3
176 2016-08-12T12:20:39  <michagogo> (it's 15:20 now)
177 2016-08-12T12:20:50  <michagogo> wumpus: lxc-after-reboot issue?
178 2016-08-12T12:22:31  <wumpus> michagogo: yes http://www.hastebin.com/alehoxojen.vbs I get that every time the first time when I run any gitian command after reboot; the second and latter time don't have the issue
179 2016-08-12T12:22:47  <michagogo> o_O
180 2016-08-12T12:22:56  <michagogo> Doesn't happen for me in my 14.04 VM
181 2016-08-12T12:23:47  <wumpus> this is on debian 8.5
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186 2016-08-12T12:57:12  <jonasschnelli> Anyone interested in testing this: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7783?
187 2016-08-12T12:57:50  <jonasschnelli> Factored out to non-gui classes, has now unit tests (as recommended by sipa), would like to see this in 0.14 for the GUI
188 2016-08-12T13:01:21  <wumpus> I don't agree that the functionality belongs in server.cpp
189 2016-08-12T13:01:59  <wumpus> this does not act on JSON objects so it dos not belong server-side
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191 2016-08-12T13:03:45  <wumpus> apart from that I agree this is very useful, in the GUI
192 2016-08-12T13:03:58  <wumpus> but please no string parsing in the server
193 2016-08-12T13:04:19  <wumpus> this opens possible vulnerabilities, DoS possibilities, etc
194 2016-08-12T13:04:49  <wumpus> fine with abstracting out, but then abstract it so that it can work with any dispatching interface (both local and remote)
195 2016-08-12T13:05:02  <wumpus> I'm not sure that's within the scope of the pull
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198 2016-08-12T13:15:22  <wumpus> to be clear I really like this funcitonality in the GUI, and possible in bitcoin-cli, but let's not conflate this with hypothetical JSON-RPC nested commanding
199 2016-08-12T13:30:08  <Chris_Stewart_5> In a partial merkle tree, does a txid that is appended to the binary tree to create an even number of nodes match inside the partial merkle tree?
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201 2016-08-12T13:36:57  <Chris_Stewart_5> if that makes any sense..
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204 2016-08-12T14:06:35  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: yes. Agree. I also think we should only have it in the GUI
205 2016-08-12T14:06:51  <jonasschnelli> The reason for factoring it out was the missed possibility to do unit tests (though I think there are also GUI only unit tests).
206 2016-08-12T14:07:24  <wumpus> yes, there are also GUI unit tests, though currently they are mostly useless, would be good to add a few
207 2016-08-12T14:07:25  <jonasschnelli> I think I move it to a GUI only class and cleanup the server client hell.
208 2016-08-12T14:08:34  <wumpus> in any case, if it belongs in the core it's in rpc/client.cpp, and should take a command dispatcher so that it can be used both in the GUI or in a remote client
209 2016-08-12T14:09:30  <wumpus> but yes it's simplest to just keep it in the GUI
210 2016-08-12T14:09:42  <wumpus> then if someone needs it for -cli do this work
211 2016-08-12T14:09:48  <wumpus> don't overdesign in front
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234 2016-08-12T17:21:41  <cfields> jl2012: your gpg key is expired
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236 2016-08-12T17:24:20  <PascalCoin> Please, can you tell in which chanel can I give information about a new P2P cryptocurrency? (yet... another one) Thanks!
237 2016-08-12T17:25:57  <sipa> ##altcoin-dev ?
238 2016-08-12T17:30:22  <PascalCoin> thanks sipa
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243 2016-08-12T17:46:49  <jl2012> cfields: it's September?
244 2016-08-12T17:48:19  <cfields> jl2012: heh, i just replied on the PR. Gitian's display order fooled me again
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248 2016-08-12T18:27:32  <cfields> luke-jr: readability suggestion: you might consider adding .json files and de-serializing them for tests. Would make test review much easier.
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279 2016-08-12T22:32:44  <GitHub137> [bitcoin] juscamarena opened pull request #8503: [doc] typos, text errors (master...Test-branch) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8503
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