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  6 2016-08-23T00:56:39  <GitHub188> [bitcoin] cbarcenas opened pull request #8560: Trivial: Fix two VarInt examples in serialize.h (master...fix_varint_examples) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8560
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 31 2016-08-23T03:46:30  <kanzure> a toy demo for finding most recent common blockhash between two data stores (one being a hypothetical bitcoind) (rpc calls not implemented) https://gist.github.com/kanzure/2fa531afaf03fddd6568eb0212ac8c4c
 32 2016-08-23T03:46:34  <kanzure> this is re: https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev/2016-04-28/?msg=65077020&page=3
 33 2016-08-23T03:47:36  <kanzure> i was wondering about making this a patch for bitcoind itself- perhaps storing some external application synchronization state and letting bitcoind manage that based on reorgs and known time since last query from some authorized application. easier to manage chain diffs from the perspective of bitcoind. and probably application authors aren't going to bother doing this right anyway...
 34 2016-08-23T03:48:36  <kanzure> (whereas application authors might be more likely to write code to handle an explicit "here's the exact bundle of block differences not yet consumed" data dump)
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 47 2016-08-23T06:11:26  <GitHub129> [bitcoin] rebroad opened pull request #8561: Show "end" instead of many zros when getheaders request received with… (master...LessGetheadersZeros) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8561
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 74 2016-08-23T09:57:52  <timothy> hi, I'm changing the build procedure of official archlinux packages to use git tag directly instead of downloading the linux tar with the source code
 75 2016-08-23T09:58:07  <timothy> with the check of tag signature ofc
 76 2016-08-23T09:58:18  <timothy> any comments against that?
 77 2016-08-23T10:02:53  <sipa> arch builds from source on install?
 78 2016-08-23T10:03:12  <timothy> no, I build packages signed with my signature
 79 2016-08-23T10:03:22  <timothy> but user can choose to build the package by itself
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 81 2016-08-23T10:14:53  <sipa>  ok, and this applies only in case they choose to build from source?
 82 2016-08-23T10:17:40  <timothy> also when I build from source
 83 2016-08-23T10:17:58  <timothy> binary packages on archlinux are signed by my gpg key
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 86 2016-08-23T10:24:34  <sipa> timothy: i don't think it matters much. git tags are only on sha1 hashes, though, which may not be considered sufficiently secure in the future
 87 2016-08-23T10:25:09  <timothy> builds are made by using git too
 88 2016-08-23T10:25:20  <timothy> so if someone inject malware in git repository gitian doesn't help
 89 2016-08-23T10:26:56  <sipa> fair enough
 90 2016-08-23T10:27:31  <sipa> though we would detect different binaries through gitian... unless everyone got a version with modified history
 91 2016-08-23T10:28:10  <sipa> so actually, i think that downloading the source tarball is stronger, if you verify multiple gitian signatures
 92 2016-08-23T10:28:19  <sipa> which is nontrivial, i guess
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 94 2016-08-23T10:39:06  <MarcoFalke> It should be mentioned that a lot of people mistake the tarball on the GitHub as something that can be verified
 95 2016-08-23T10:39:08  <MarcoFalke> link: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases/tag/v0.13.0
 96 2016-08-23T10:39:31  <btcdrak> there doesnt seem to be a way to turn those off :(
 97 2016-08-23T10:39:35  <MarcoFalke> But I am not aware of disabling those
 98 2016-08-23T10:39:40  <MarcoFalke> jup
 99 2016-08-23T10:39:41  <btcdrak> we should ask Github about it
100 2016-08-23T10:40:10  <btcdrak> timothy: you should build from the gitian tarballs at least
101 2016-08-23T10:40:29  <btcdrak> wumpus do you upload the tar sources too?
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103 2016-08-23T10:41:30  <MarcoFalke> We could upload wumpus' sig.asc to the github releases and link to the site where we place the gitian binaries
104 2016-08-23T10:42:14  <timothy> MarcoFalke: I'm using git clone + git verify-tag ofc
105 2016-08-23T10:42:17  <MarcoFalke> btcdrak: yes https://bitcoin.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.13.0/test.rc3/
106 2016-08-23T10:43:14  <btcdrak> wumpus: also remember to include the hashes in your release announcement going forward so that information can be widely distributed.
107 2016-08-23T10:44:24  <timothy> yes, I'm still waiting for 0.13.0 tarballs :p
108 2016-08-23T10:47:43  <btcdrak> Starting today the bitcoincore.org merges will be git signed. (I have been lazy in this respect). I ask the other maintainers to do so also.
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110 2016-08-23T10:57:17  <warren> btcdrak: easier to force it if you have the web server update only to signed commits?
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113 2016-08-23T10:57:47  <btcdrak> if/when we do our own hosting
114 2016-08-23T10:58:05  <btcdrak> I'll turn off the merge button on the repository at least
115 2016-08-23T11:01:03  <btcdrak> oh they dont have that feature. I must be misremembering
116 2016-08-23T11:01:41  <warren> github is so convenient they make people forget the "distributed" part.
117 2016-08-23T11:22:29  <GitHub129> [bitcoin] ajtowns opened pull request #8563: Add configure check for -latomic (master...autoconf-latomic) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8563
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144 2016-08-23T13:41:24  <GitHub107> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli opened pull request #8564: [Wallet] remove unused code/conditions in ReadAtCursor (master...2016/08/bdb_abstraction_1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8564
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156 2016-08-23T13:55:37  <kanzure> need something?
157 2016-08-23T13:56:10  <sipa> ?
158 2016-08-23T13:56:30  <wumpus> because of the heat wave?
159 2016-08-23T13:56:48  <GitHub113> [bitcoin] roques opened pull request #8565: .gitignore TAGS and emacs lock files (master...gitignore) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8565
160 2016-08-23T13:57:17  <btcdrak> "14:26 — jonasschnelli stabs berkleyDb"
161 2016-08-23T13:57:38  <kanzure> man, i was about to schedule an airdrop of paramedics to you
162 2016-08-23T13:57:42  <wumpus> noooo don't add your personal gitignores into the project
163 2016-08-23T13:57:51  <sipa> i just flew from london to frankfurt
164 2016-08-23T13:57:51  <wumpus> why do people keep doing that
165 2016-08-23T13:57:56  <sipa> i did not see any clouds
166 2016-08-23T13:58:00  <sipa> for the entire flight
167 2016-08-23T13:58:02  <sipa> crazy
168 2016-08-23T13:58:07  <wumpus> crazy indeed
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174 2016-08-23T14:06:12  <waxwing> open the window?
175 2016-08-23T14:06:35  <wumpus> during a flight?
176 2016-08-23T14:07:16  <sipa> no clouds in london on itself is oretty remarkable already :)
177 2016-08-23T14:07:21  <juscamarena> There's always the emergency escape "window" ;)
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192 2016-08-23T14:47:29  <sipa> there are a few changes that i don't think were considered for inclusion in the release notes... not sure they're important enough, or just forgotten: wallet encryption no longer relies on OpenSSL, debug symbol binaries are now separately downloadable, removal of no-fee send option in gui
193 2016-08-23T14:54:55  <wumpus> well the last one clearly affect users, and may have been useful to include
194 2016-08-23T14:55:10  <wumpus> the debug symbols are not downloadable, they're just generated by gitian
195 2016-08-23T14:55:20  <sipa> oh, ok
196 2016-08-23T14:55:45  <wumpus> that they are generated deterministically is useful for doing eg. addrtoline on stack traces in bug reports
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198 2016-08-23T14:56:28  <wumpus> no longer using OpenSSL may make some people happy I suppose :)
199 2016-08-23T14:56:41  <wumpus> (only for random number generation now...)
200 2016-08-23T14:57:55  <sipa> and payment protocol
201 2016-08-23T14:58:33  <MarcoFalke> Well, let's hope that people no longer use the GUI to send no-fee txes
202 2016-08-23T14:58:56  <MarcoFalke> So no one will notice, if above statement holds
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204 2016-08-23T14:59:51  <instagibbs> supporting "no fee" from GUI just gives plenty of work helping people get stuff unstuck
205 2016-08-23T15:00:10  <wumpus> wasn't the no-fee option moved to coin control?
206 2016-08-23T15:00:14  <wumpus> or really removed
207 2016-08-23T15:00:15  <wumpus> I don't remember
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209 2016-08-23T15:00:30  <wumpus> payment protocol *needs* TLS, we're not going to do without OpenSSL there
210 2016-08-23T15:00:51  <wumpus> well it would be possible to use PolarSSL
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212 2016-08-23T15:01:16  <wumpus> AFAIK qt can use that as drop-in replacement
213 2016-08-23T15:02:11  <wumpus> not that I'm sure why it would be better
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216 2016-08-23T15:06:50  <wumpus> and libressl
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218 2016-08-23T15:24:42  <instagibbs> \o/ congrats
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220 2016-08-23T15:28:18  <sipa> w00t
221 2016-08-23T15:32:00  <MarcoFalke> wumpus: What about adding a link to https://bitcoin.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.13.0/ on the tag ( https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases/new?tag=v0.13.0 )
222 2016-08-23T15:32:31  <wumpus> sounds good to me
223 2016-08-23T15:33:13  <MarcoFalke> This helps to make clear that the zip and tarballs are "not official" but provided by GitHub
224 2016-08-23T15:33:27  <wumpus> right
225 2016-08-23T15:33:34  <wumpus> and would point people to actual executables
226 2016-08-23T15:33:56  <wumpus> is it possible to add text there? I've never been in that interface I think
227 2016-08-23T15:41:51  <MarcoFalke> Jup, you can add anything
228 2016-08-23T15:41:54  <MarcoFalke> Even the binaries
229 2016-08-23T15:42:04  <MarcoFalke> But I would advise against adding anything but text
230 2016-08-23T15:42:35  <MarcoFalke> "Anyone" can change it anytime.
231 2016-08-23T15:42:43  <wumpus> yes I wouldn't want to add the binaries there, that's just confusing, especially as the source tarballs don't match our gitian-generated oens
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236 2016-08-23T15:47:49  <GitHub48> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/9358893518a19f38eab9186c768ad81c7a2f9cec
237 2016-08-23T15:47:49  <GitHub48> bitcoin/master 9358893 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Add historical release notes for 0.12.1 0.13.0
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249 2016-08-23T16:06:28  <wumpus> woohoo \o/ congrats everyone
250 2016-08-23T16:06:33  <wumpus> on to 0.13.1
251 2016-08-23T16:07:30  <wumpus> bleh, having trouble with updating bitcoin.org https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/pull/1348
252 2016-08-23T16:08:41  <timothy> should I enable zeromq?
253 2016-08-23T16:11:16  <wumpus> are you planning to use it?
254 2016-08-23T16:14:29  <btcdrak> wumpus: check your email please
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258 2016-08-23T16:29:26  <otium> To all the Core-dev
259 2016-08-23T16:29:26  <otium> thank you for the great work and for our Bitcoin that you are nursing for all of us
260 2016-08-23T16:29:27  <otium> I believe we are numerous QUIET watchers who are supporting all of you
261 2016-08-23T16:29:27  <otium> Thanks !
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281 2016-08-23T17:04:40  <luke-jr> petertodd: re your ACP-by-default PR: wouldn't this enable someone to add garbage inputs (spending, for example, the 0-value p2pool anyone-can-spend UTXOs) to high-fee transactions, avoiding reducing the fee enough to allow RBF by the original tx? (anyone else find themselves doing attack scenarios like this in dreams? O.o)
282 2016-08-23T17:05:16  <wumpus> thanks otium
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284 2016-08-23T17:10:18  <instagibbs> luke-jr, might be a standard rule that all the ACP inputs have to increase the feerate of the transaction?
285 2016-08-23T17:10:35  <instagibbs> (I haven't thought this through)
286 2016-08-23T17:11:01  <instagibbs> that immediately rules out 0-value by definition, for one
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289 2016-08-23T17:14:35  <luke-jr> instagibbs: the spam input wouldn't necessarily be ACP, and in any case you'd see the spam-malleated version first
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291 2016-08-23T17:15:29  <instagibbs> luke-jr, well, if my premise was correct the latter part wouldn't "matter", but my premise is wrong it seems
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293 2016-08-23T17:26:11  <michagogo> 18:47:51 <GitHub48> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/9358893518a19f38eab9186c768ad81c7a2f9cec 18:47:51 <GitHub48> bitcoin/master 9358893 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Add historical release notes for 0.12.1 0.13.0
294 2016-08-23T17:26:21  <michagogo> Backport that commit to 0.13?
295 2016-08-23T17:26:42  <michagogo> (Maybe also 0.12, if we think there's a chance there'll be a .2?)
296 2016-08-23T17:27:05  <michagogo> Well, "backport"
297 2016-08-23T17:27:19  <wumpus> possibly
298 2016-08-23T17:27:34  <wumpus> I'm still fighting the bitcoin.org release announcement here https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/pull/1348
299 2016-08-23T17:28:20  <wumpus> there is an error in the html generated from the md, but it doesn't tell where or the context
300 2016-08-23T17:28:52  <wumpus> I thought I'd try to bisect it, divide up the page until I've found the part of the page where it happens but the check is so slow that that's pointless
301 2016-08-23T17:29:09  <btcdrak> ping harding
302 2016-08-23T17:29:19  <wumpus> also can't run the tests locally, something about "Your Ruby version is 2.3.1, but your Gemfile specified 2.0.0
303 2016-08-23T17:29:19  <wumpus> "
304 2016-08-23T17:29:22  <wumpus> fuck ruby, really
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307 2016-08-23T17:31:49  <kanzure> use rbenv
308 2016-08-23T17:31:53  <kanzure> or rvm
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311 2016-08-23T17:33:53  <wumpus> can anyone that is able to run those scripts send me the malformed html file? thanks
312 2016-08-23T17:35:16  <kanzure> you can use after_failure in the travis-ci yaml file to upload or store files from a failed build
313 2016-08-23T17:36:49  <wumpus> good idea, or just cat the thing into the travis log
314 2016-08-23T17:37:11  <kanzure> hah.
315 2016-08-23T17:38:28  <luke-jr> wumpus: btw, the ann ML email doesn't verify either (not even the text/plain one)
316 2016-08-23T17:38:46  <wumpus> it does verify here before sending
317 2016-08-23T17:39:18  <wumpus> not sure what I'm doing wrong
318 2016-08-23T17:39:30  <wumpus> getting kind of annoyed by this, nothing is working as it should
319 2016-08-23T17:39:31  <luke-jr> the ML is doing some kind of changes, adding a footer at least; that's outside the signature, but who knows what else it's touching
320 2016-08-23T17:39:43  <sipa> sigh
321 2016-08-23T17:40:34  <wumpus> maybe MLs are unsuited for sending signed messages
322 2016-08-23T17:40:49  <wumpus> next time i'll just upload the .asc file and send a link...
323 2016-08-23T17:41:05  <luke-jr> probably. but this is a private ML, so it should be possible to configure it to just send like a regular PGP-signed email..
324 2016-08-23T17:41:17  <luke-jr> I would think anyway
325 2016-08-23T17:41:22  <wumpus> possible, but I don't have time to look into that stuff really
326 2016-08-23T17:42:03  <wumpus> there's tons of subtle changes that can invalidate a gpg signature
327 2016-08-23T17:42:08  <Lauda> Compact blocks is enabled by default in 0.13.0?
328 2016-08-23T17:42:13  <wumpus> I spent multiple days in that rabbit hole once
329 2016-08-23T17:42:14  <instagibbs> Lauda, yes
330 2016-08-23T17:42:26  <Lauda> I see, time to update then. Thanks!
331 2016-08-23T17:42:33  <wumpus> man it's 2016 and even basic shit like that isn't working
332 2016-08-23T17:42:57  <wumpus> stuff like that was working better in the 90's
333 2016-08-23T17:42:59  <luke-jr> FWIW, my BFGMiner announce list on nongnu.org works fine for PGP
334 2016-08-23T17:43:07  <wumpus> maybe I'm just getting too old
335 2016-08-23T17:43:18  <sipa> who manages the bitcoin-dev list, actually?
336 2016-08-23T17:43:55  <sipa> maybe it is a particular setting
337 2016-08-23T17:44:11  <wumpus> if only the mailing list sent me my own message, I could compare
338 2016-08-23T17:44:12  <luke-jr> bitcoin core ML is different from bitcoin-dev; I imagine btcdrak manages it
339 2016-08-23T17:44:16  <TD-Linux> enigmail correctly detects the part of the message that is signed
340 2016-08-23T17:44:26  <luke-jr> wumpus: I'll forward it
341 2016-08-23T17:44:44  <wumpus> oh wait you mean the notification list? I should have that one, I have a test message
342 2016-08-23T17:44:57  <wumpus> TD-Linux: that's the one from bitcoin-dev?
343 2016-08-23T17:45:18  <TD-Linux> yes
344 2016-08-23T17:45:20  <luke-jr> wumpus: yes
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346 2016-08-23T17:46:01  <TD-Linux> actually no, it's bitcoin-core-dev. I haven't gotten the bitcoin-dev one yet
347 2016-08-23T17:46:03  <wumpus> ok, so that one works, that's good to hear. There was already  a complainer about that too, but he had the digest mode, so probably that messed up the message
348 2016-08-23T17:46:31  <luke-jr> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/bfgminer-announce says it uses Mailman 2.1.21, so that's a known-usable ML sw
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350 2016-08-23T17:47:03  <wumpus> bitcoin-core-dev is the same host and software as bitcoin-dev
351 2016-08-23T17:47:20  <achow101> Copying the text from the bitcoin-dev mailing list archive verifies fine
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354 2016-08-23T17:47:37  <instagibbs> yeah i did archive myself
355 2016-08-23T17:49:06  <TD-Linux> it looks like I only got one of the two messages. does mailman deduplicate magically?
356 2016-08-23T17:50:17  <kanzure> mail clients sometimes deduplicate on their own
357 2016-08-23T17:52:01  <wumpus> this is the diff between the mail I sent and the one I received from bitcoin-announce: https://gist.github.com/laanwj/3807c6024c6c28ae06e567a63045fb25
358 2016-08-23T17:52:09  <wumpus> I don't see any difference between the green and red lines
359 2016-08-23T17:52:16  <wumpus> maybe I should open the diff in a hex editor...
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363 2016-08-23T17:53:42  <wumpus> 2d 20 20 at the beginning of a  line becomes 2d a0 20
364 2016-08-23T17:53:44  <wumpus> wow
365 2016-08-23T17:54:51  <wumpus> oh wait no, 2d is the '-'. No, 20 20 at the beginning of a line becomes c2 a0 20
366 2016-08-23T17:55:05  <wumpus> it's doing unicode magic!
367 2016-08-23T17:56:09  <sipa> unicode magic... we should call that unicornde
368 2016-08-23T17:56:16  <wumpus> lol sipa :D
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370 2016-08-23T18:00:27  <wumpus> so it looks like spaces are converted into non-breaking spaces
371 2016-08-23T18:00:41  <wumpus> that could be an option
372 2016-08-23T18:00:55  <sipa> solution: use non-breaking spaces in the announcement email!
373 2016-08-23T18:01:08  <sipa> so which of the two lists does this?
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375 2016-08-23T18:02:30  <luke-jr> sipa: the announcement ML on bitcoincore.org
376 2016-08-23T18:03:28  <luke-jr> hmm, I need an announce ML for Knots too. :x
377 2016-08-23T18:04:44  <btcdrak> luke-jr: bitcoin-core-dev mailing list is another LF managed list.
378 2016-08-23T18:05:01  <luke-jr> btcdrak: I'm aware, but that's not the list with the problem
379 2016-08-23T18:05:40  <btcdrak> verifying by copy paste from the ML archive works fine https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-core-dev/2016-August/000018.html
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381 2016-08-23T18:05:56  <sipa> luke-jr: i'm confused
382 2016-08-23T18:06:01  <luke-jr> btcdrak: the problem is the https://bitcoincore.org/en/list/announcements/join/
383 2016-08-23T18:06:35  <btcdrak> luke-jr: oh. sorry I didnt understand. what happened?
384 2016-08-23T18:07:26  <btcdrak> oh i see, it doesnt verify. Weird, the last ones did.
385 2016-08-23T18:07:29  <luke-jr> btcdrak: it modified the message invalidating the PGP sig
386 2016-08-23T18:08:59  <btcdrak> wumpus: I see what happened, I think you might have pasted it in the HTML window, so if you view the message original source there are HTML entities /tags all over the pace
387 2016-08-23T18:09:02  <btcdrak> place*
388 2016-08-23T18:09:15  <wumpus> after undoing the substititions (d.replace(b'\xc2\xa0',b'\x20')) it still does't pass, it also converts \#7840 on line 288 to #7840
389 2016-08-23T18:09:22  <btcdrak> e.g https://i.imgur.com/oAzcLYb.png
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391 2016-08-23T18:11:29  <wumpus> btcdrak: I'm checking the text/plain attachment, not the html one, that's hopeless I'd fathom
392 2016-08-23T18:12:04  <btcdrak> let me login and make a test with the test list
393 2016-08-23T18:12:05  <btcdrak> sec
394 2016-08-23T18:13:36  <sipa> i wonder whether we shouldn't link to the gitian build results in announcement emails
395 2016-08-23T18:14:10  <sipa> it's probably not something every user should be confronted with, but i do think it is important to make this part of our process visible
396 2016-08-23T18:14:24  <wumpus> I'm fine with that
397 2016-08-23T18:14:42  <wumpus> I've added the hashes on recommendation of btcdrak, I'm fine with adding even more stuff next time
398 2016-08-23T18:15:08  <btcdrak> and hopefully we'll have the verification too then as well.
399 2016-08-23T18:15:12  <btcdrak> wumpus: pm
400 2016-08-23T18:17:02  <sipa> btcdrak: not for 0.13.1 :)
401 2016-08-23T18:18:08  <MarcoFalke> wumpus: Fingers crossed: https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/pull/1349
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403 2016-08-23T18:20:23  <wumpus> gah I had just found out how to inject a cat into the right place into the makefile
404 2016-08-23T18:20:27  <wumpus> but thanks :)
405 2016-08-23T18:20:32  <wumpus> hope it solves it
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409 2016-08-23T18:34:14  <wumpus> it passes with "sed 's/\xc2\xa0/ /g' /tmp/test | sed 's/^  #7840/  \\#7840/g' |gpg"
410 2016-08-23T18:34:24  <wumpus> where /tmp/test is the exported text/plain message
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412 2016-08-23T18:34:49  <wumpus> so we should probably publish a validation FAQ for wumpus' botched gpg messages
413 2016-08-23T18:36:20  <gmaxwell> I was about to report that the list message doesn't verify.
414 2016-08-23T18:37:37  <Arichy> Glad to hear that You are aware of the email signature problem. Same here with Claws Mail 3.11.1   . And I am wondering why the Email is not signed with the release signing key. I had to google the email signing key....
415 2016-08-23T18:37:59  <wumpus> I should just give up trying to send GPG signed messages
416 2016-08-23T18:39:00  <gmaxwell> Arichy: because the release signing key is kept offline and only used for release signing, presumably.
417 2016-08-23T18:39:01  <wumpus> gmaxwell: the announce-list right? bitcoin-dev and bitcoin-core-dev messages should pass
418 2016-08-23T18:39:13  <wumpus> I don't sign mails with a release-signing key
419 2016-08-23T18:39:16  <wumpus> that's not what it's for
420 2016-08-23T18:39:35  <wumpus> it only signs SHA256SUMS.asc files, if you want more of it, I' msorry to disappoint you
421 2016-08-23T18:40:01  <kanzure> presumably the release signing key is only for release signing
422 2016-08-23T18:40:11  <kanzure> announcement emails should probably not be signed by a release key
423 2016-08-23T18:40:14  <wumpus> yes, trange uh
424 2016-08-23T18:40:16  <kanzure> (instead signed by some other key)
425 2016-08-23T18:40:26  <wumpus> although how kanzure words it does make sense
426 2016-08-23T18:40:28  <gmaxwell> wumpus: yes.
427 2016-08-23T18:40:50  <wumpus> gmaxwell: next time I'll convert spaces to non-breaking spaces first and it should work
428 2016-08-23T18:41:02  <kanzure> oh this was email client fault?
429 2016-08-23T18:41:08  <gmaxwell> wumpus: though if the content isn't plain ascii that might cause other mangling elsewhere.
430 2016-08-23T18:41:11  <wumpus> (assuming there's no \# in the release notes)
431 2016-08-23T18:41:54  <wumpus> kanzure: no, the client is not at fault, the list that failed to pass it through un-mangled has a web interface, the two lists I sent to with mutt did fine
432 2016-08-23T18:42:15  <wumpus> gmaxwell: oh yes it may mangle it in another stage, fun!
433 2016-08-23T18:42:18  <kanzure> oh.  i'm not aware of a web interface for sending email to -announce.
434 2016-08-23T18:42:24  <Arichy> @kanzure Makes sense regarding security to keep the release signing keys seperate, only from a user point of view, with the publicity about checking sigs, I thout ok let's import wumpus' key but that was the wrong one, and after googeling the missing one, that failed :-(
435 2016-08-23T18:42:26  <wumpus> unicornde indeed
436 2016-08-23T18:42:54  <sipa> wumpus: solution: next time just post a link to the bitcoin-core-dev LM archove page for the announcement mail :)
437 2016-08-23T18:43:07  <kanzure> Arichy: one might think this is a feature not a bug of the release process- that users can recognize verification failure.
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439 2016-08-23T18:43:25  <sipa> Arichy: i'm happy to see that therr are people who take that suggestion to verify signatures seriously
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441 2016-08-23T18:43:53  <wumpus> sipa: heh, yes posting a link is probably the best idea, maybe it'll even be let through unmangled if signed
442 2016-08-23T18:44:00  <gmaxwell> Arichy: it's signed with the same key as last release.
443 2016-08-23T18:44:11  <wumpus> oh wait signing a link makes no sense
444 2016-08-23T18:46:04  <Arichy> @gmaxwell I had an old other wumpus key that had expired a year ago or so, I deleted that. Maybe last time I was not so aware of checking the sigs
445 2016-08-23T18:46:22  <btcdrak> gmaxwell: we've found the issue and workaround for the announce list
446 2016-08-23T18:46:41  <wumpus> Arichy: I've signed the release signing key with my main key. There is no 'old wumpus key', I have a personal key, which I've used for years, and a release sigining key
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449 2016-08-23T18:47:07  <gmaxwell> Arichy: it's probably the same key but you needed to fetch an updated expiration.
450 2016-08-23T18:47:40  <gmaxwell> Arichy: it's good practice to set keys to expire to force people to potentially go fetch a revocation.
451 2016-08-23T18:47:49  <wumpus> I only have those two: any other keys on GPG keyservers, if they exist, are false
452 2016-08-23T18:47:51  <Arichy> @gmaxwell I am very surprised of that! Did not know about something like that
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454 2016-08-23T18:48:04  <gmaxwell> and then periodically update the expire if the key is still not believed to be compromised.
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456 2016-08-23T18:49:24  <Arichy> [little bit offensive] If I would be the NSA or the Zhōnghuá Rénmín Gònghéguó Guójiā Ānquánbù , I would keep this Email and PGP crap forever
457 2016-08-23T18:49:45  <MarcoFalke> Error: Start tag a seen but an element of the same type was already open
458 2016-08-23T18:49:51  <MarcoFalke> ull/7762"><a href="https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7762">#7762<
459 2016-08-23T18:49:57  <wumpus> my main key has fingerprint 71A3 B167 3540 5025 D447  E8F2 7481 0B01 2346 C9A6, the release signing key is 01EA 5486 DE18 A882 D4C2  6845 90C8 019E 36C2 E964
460 2016-08-23T18:50:08  <luke-jr> also, expiration means it self-"revokes" if you lose the private key ;)
461 2016-08-23T18:50:10  <wumpus> not that you should believe that coming from somone pretending to be wumpus on IRC
462 2016-08-23T18:50:13  <wumpus> or something
463 2016-08-23T18:50:30  <MarcoFalke> Maybe the hash tag before 7762?
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465 2016-08-23T18:51:18  <wumpus> oh my cat worked
466 2016-08-23T18:52:25  <wumpus> <a href="https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7762"><a href="https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7762">#7762</a></a>  yes that definitely doesn't look like standards-compliant HTML
467 2016-08-23T18:53:09  <Arichy> @sipa Glad to get positive feedback :-)
468 2016-08-23T18:53:17  <wumpus> though I'm sure internet explorer would just accept it...
469 2016-08-23T18:53:19  <gmaxwell> nested links.
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471 2016-08-23T18:54:21  <GitHub149> [bitcoin] roques closed pull request #8565: .gitignore TAGS and emacs lock files (master...gitignore) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8565
472 2016-08-23T18:54:24  <MarcoFalke> They call it Edge, now
473 2016-08-23T18:55:14  <wumpus> I've factored the # out of the [], let's see if that does it
474 2016-08-23T18:55:49  <wumpus> MarcoFalke: if it was that simple, I'm fairly sure that windows 10 has both IE and Edge
475 2016-08-23T18:57:50  <GitHub45> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #8527: Take minRelayTxFee into account in FEEFILTER messages (master...clampfeefilter) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8527
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478 2016-08-23T19:06:02  <PatBoy> can i ask a question n the spec of 0.13.0 here ? or just developement ? (sry to ask)
479 2016-08-23T19:06:16  <luke-jr> PatBoy: #bitcoin
480 2016-08-23T19:06:32  <PatBoy> okk thx
481 2016-08-23T19:06:34  <PatBoy> sry
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485 2016-08-23T19:12:02  <MarcoFalke> wumpus: Passed!1!!
486 2016-08-23T19:12:07  <wumpus> whooooo
487 2016-08-23T19:12:21  <wumpus> thanks, going to clean up that pull
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503 2016-08-23T19:58:29  <Chris_Stewart_5> Is the 'flags' hex representation right for this documentation on the bitcoin developer reference wrt to merkle blocks?
504 2016-08-23T19:58:31  <Chris_Stewart_5> https://bitcoin.org/en/developer-reference#merkleblock
505 2016-08-23T19:58:52  <Chris_Stewart_5> in the hex dump part
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507 2016-08-23T19:59:10  <Chris_Stewart_5> wouldn't it be 'd1' instead of '1d'?
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509 2016-08-23T20:02:55  <sipa> Chris_Stewart_5: no, in a hex dump you put the more significant of the 2 characters for a byte first
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518 2016-08-23T20:25:00  <GitHub47> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #8566: Easy to use gitian building script (master...gitian-build-script) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8566
519 2016-08-23T20:25:13  <Chris_Stewart_5> sipa: Just to be clear though, on the wire would it look like 'd1'?
520 2016-08-23T20:25:23  <sipa> Chris_Stewart_5: who knows
521 2016-08-23T20:25:39  <sipa> Chris_Stewart_5: it depends on the transmission technology
522 2016-08-23T20:26:00  <sipa> from the application perspective, the wire contains bytes
523 2016-08-23T20:26:31  <sipa> not individual bits
524 2016-08-23T20:26:50  <sipa> and the wire will contain the byte commonly referred to as 1d
525 2016-08-23T20:27:03  <Chris_Stewart_5> I guess what I am getting at is it serialized differently for a hex dump compared to what it would be serialized for and sent over the network?
526 2016-08-23T20:27:16  <Chris_Stewart_5> For instance if you called HexStr on it would be d1 correct?
527 2016-08-23T20:27:16  <sipa> ffs no
528 2016-08-23T20:27:27  <sipa> no
529 2016-08-23T20:27:33  <sipa> it would be 1d
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532 2016-08-23T20:43:33  <GitHub90> [bitcoin] djpnewton opened pull request #8567: Add default port numbers to REST doc (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8567
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