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222016-09-27T02:39:37 <GitHub23> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #8819: [depends] Boost 1.61.0 (master...depends-boost-1-61-0) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8819
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572016-09-27T04:38:00 <GitHub138> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #8820: [depends] Fix Qt compilation with Xcode 8 (master...depends-qt-xcoderun) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8820
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632016-09-27T05:00:55 <luke-jr> what's holding back https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8357 ?
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812016-09-27T06:47:53 <jonasschnelli> wumpus: regarding the UTXO set cursor you have implemented in #7756...
822016-09-27T06:48:20 <jonasschnelli> once you create the cursor, new changes won't affect itteration?
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892016-09-27T07:44:19 <GitHub131> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #8821: [qt] sync-overlay: Don't block during reindex (master...Mf1609-qtSyncReindex) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8821
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1102016-09-27T10:43:51 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: indeed
1112016-09-27T10:44:06 <wumpus> it uses a leveldb snapshot
1122016-09-27T10:44:48 <wumpus> the idea is that you can do a background backup/downlaod/analysis
1132016-09-27T10:45:54 * luke-jr wonders if it's worth using a leveldb snapshot for sweepprivkey to avoid holding a lock
1142016-09-27T10:46:38 <wumpus> does it use the utxo cursor to iterate over the utxo set? if so, you don't need a lock
1152016-09-27T10:47:18 <wumpus> getutxosetinfo or whatever it's called also doesn't take a lock, at least not during the crunching phase
1162016-09-27T10:47:37 <luke-jr> it isn't implemented sanely yet afaik, just pondering how the ideal impl would be
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1182016-09-27T11:14:31 <dinao> What is the purpose of the version-field in transactions?
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1202016-09-27T11:20:03 <Yogh_> when two blocks at the same height (at the tip) arrive in a Core node, does Core choose the first-seen block or the highest-work block as its chaintip of preference?
1212016-09-27T11:20:34 <wumpus> always the highest total work, also this is a general #bitcoin question
1222016-09-27T11:22:26 <GitHub136> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2f71490d2179...6e54c85439b6
1232016-09-27T11:22:26 <GitHub136> bitcoin/master 0637b02 Johnson Lau: Ping regularly in p2p-segwit.py to keep connection alive...
1242016-09-27T11:22:27 <GitHub136> bitcoin/master 6e54c85 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8803: Ping regularly in p2p-segwit.py to keep connection alive...
1252016-09-27T11:22:37 <GitHub65> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8803: Ping regularly in p2p-segwit.py to keep connection alive (master...patch-17) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8803
1262016-09-27T11:24:16 <sipa> Yogh_: unless there is a retarget inside the reorged blkcks, the amount of work in both blocks will be the same
1272016-09-27T11:25:10 <sipa> Yogh_: so yes, core chooses the highest work, but in practice the work will be the same, and we use first-seen as tie breaker
1282016-09-27T11:26:11 <sipa> dinao: bip68 uses it
1292016-09-27T11:26:14 <GitHub49> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6e54c85439b6...920ca1f0bf0b
1302016-09-27T11:26:14 <GitHub49> bitcoin/master 4731cab Pavel JanÃk: Do not shadow variables
1312016-09-27T11:26:15 <GitHub49> bitcoin/master 920ca1f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8655: Do not shadow variables (trivials)...
1322016-09-27T11:26:24 <GitHub42> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8655: Do not shadow variables (trivials) (master...20160902_Wshadow_trivials) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8655
1332016-09-27T11:26:35 <Yogh_> okay thanks
1342016-09-27T11:27:38 <dinao> sipa: Can I ignore what nSequence says if I use a certain version of the transaction?
1352016-09-27T11:28:29 <sipa> dinao: nSequence still has a meaning (for determining finality) for nVersion=1 transactions
1362016-09-27T11:29:50 <dinao> sipa: Ok, so nVersion=1 transactions are still standard?
1372016-09-27T11:29:57 <sipa> absolutely
1382016-09-27T11:30:17 <dinao> sipa: Thanks for the clarifications!
1392016-09-27T11:30:17 <sipa> as long as they're final
1402016-09-27T11:30:51 <sipa> (which means either nlocktime=0 or all nsequence values maximal)
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1442016-09-27T12:06:38 <luke-jr> ⦠or nlocktime < median timestamp or block height
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1472016-09-27T12:11:38 <sipa> luke-jr: right!
1482016-09-27T12:12:48 <GitHub29> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #8822: net: Consistent checksum handling (master...2016_09_normalize_checksum_handling) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8822
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1612016-09-27T13:08:33 <GitHub120> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #8823: doc: Add privacy recommendation when running hidden service (master...2016_09_tor_recommendation) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8823
1622016-09-27T13:11:13 <GitHub7> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8815: Backports for 0.13.1 (0.13...2016_09_backports_0_13_1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8815
1632016-09-27T13:11:14 <GitHub65> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 12 new commits to 0.13: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/254e990ce5c3...a916677ace1c
1642016-09-27T13:11:14 <GitHub65> bitcoin/0.13 1672225 Pieter Wuille: Do not store witness txn in rejection cache...
1652016-09-27T13:11:15 <GitHub65> bitcoin/0.13 b394a96 instagibbs: Add basic test for IsStandard witness transaction blinding...
1662016-09-27T13:11:15 <GitHub65> bitcoin/0.13 a5ec248 Johnson Lau: Remove createwitnessaddress...
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1682016-09-27T13:20:49 <GitHub142> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/920ca1f0bf0b...14e8f9916beb
1692016-09-27T13:20:50 <GitHub142> bitcoin/master 42f6aed Wladimir J. van der Laan: tests: Add exception error message for JSONRPCException...
1702016-09-27T13:20:50 <GitHub142> bitcoin/master 14e8f99 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8810: tests: Add exception error message for JSONRPCException...
1712016-09-27T13:21:04 <GitHub61> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8810: tests: Add exception error message for JSONRPCException (master...2016_09_tests_rpc_error) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8810
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1862016-09-27T14:20:57 <GitHub171> [bitcoin] jnewbery opened pull request #8824: refactor TxToJSON() and ScriptPubKeyToJSON() (master...JSON_refactor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8824
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1892016-09-27T14:33:49 <GitHub37> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/14e8f9916beb...e9d5f6fec8fc
1902016-09-27T14:33:49 <GitHub37> bitcoin/master 94a34a5 maiiz: Fix relaypriority calculation error
1912016-09-27T14:33:50 <GitHub37> bitcoin/master e9d5f6f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8357: [mempool] Fix relaypriority calculation error...
1922016-09-27T14:33:57 <GitHub169> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8357: [mempool] Fix relaypriority calculation error (master...maiiz-patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8357
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2022016-09-27T15:10:32 <GitHub181> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e9d5f6fec8fc...5a4f6d72e615
2032016-09-27T15:10:32 <GitHub181> bitcoin/master c72c5b1 Johnson Lau: Make non-minimal OP_IF/NOTIF argument non-standard for P2WSH
2042016-09-27T15:10:33 <GitHub181> bitcoin/master 5a4f6d7 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8526: Make non-minimal OP_IF/NOTIF argument non-standard for P2WSH...
2052016-09-27T15:10:44 <GitHub171> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8526: Make non-minimal OP_IF/NOTIF argument non-standard for P2WSH (master...minimalif) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8526
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2072016-09-27T15:13:25 <wumpus> only three 0.13.1-backport pulls open, we're getting there... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3A%22Needs+backport%22
2082016-09-27T15:18:05 <sipa> going through them
2092016-09-27T15:25:33 <wumpus> 8634 seems ready for merge but needs rebase
2102016-09-27T15:26:18 <wumpus> probably because of #8526
2112016-09-27T15:32:05 <btcdrak> jl2012 is rebasing now
2122016-09-27T15:33:54 <MarcoFalke> btcdrak: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/217 (website is broken)
2132016-09-27T15:34:05 <MarcoFalke> the meeting shows up on the main page
2142016-09-27T15:34:58 <btcdrak> oh. pushed
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2162016-09-27T15:43:01 <jl2012> yes, waiting for travis
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2182016-09-27T15:47:57 <wumpus> great
2192016-09-27T15:48:27 <jl2012> #8499 is replaced with the policy only version
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2232016-09-27T15:53:03 <jl2012> just a nit: we should change the name of SIGVERSION to SCRIPTVERSION (I think we talked about it Zurich)
2242016-09-27T15:54:14 <jl2012> it is the script, not the signature, determining the behaviour
2252016-09-27T15:54:45 <GitHub3> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5a4f6d72e615...fc4f4547b7f6
2262016-09-27T15:54:45 <GitHub3> bitcoin/master e41bd44 Johnson Lau: Add policy: null signature for failed CHECK(MULTI)SIG
2272016-09-27T15:54:46 <GitHub3> bitcoin/master fc4f454 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8634: Add policy: null signature for failed CHECK(MULTI)SIG...
2282016-09-27T15:54:55 <GitHub147> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8634: Add policy: null signature for failed CHECK(MULTI)SIG (master...nullfail) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8634
2292016-09-27T15:57:12 <btcdrak> \o/
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2312016-09-27T15:59:04 <jl2012> #8499 is trivial. What is the progress of #8393 compact block?
2322016-09-27T16:00:35 <sdaftuar> jl2012: i think it's done or close to done. could be merged as-is, or with some tests, or with some minor improvements -- not sure what sipa prefers to do, but i'm fine with any of those options
2332016-09-27T16:01:47 <jl2012> sdaftuar: thanks, #8499 is redone based on your suggestions
2342016-09-27T16:01:55 <sdaftuar> jl2012: cool, i'll take a look
2352016-09-27T16:03:11 <sipa> sdaftuar: i'll go through your suggestions later today
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5752016-09-27T17:47:35 <wumpus> kanzure: there is no tor client in bitcoind
5762016-09-27T17:48:10 <wumpus> the only way bitcoind can use tor is to connect though the proxy or be connected from a hidden service
5772016-09-27T17:49:01 <wumpus> and there is some logic to talk to tor through its control port, to automatically listen on a hidden service
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5812016-09-27T17:51:57 <wumpus> for details read https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/tor.md
5822016-09-27T17:52:02 <d4de> wumpus, shouldn't the whole logic of exposing bitcoin as a hidden service be done outside of bitcoin?
5832016-09-27T17:52:50 <d4de> is the convenience of automating small bits of tor really worth having to maintain a part of a tor client?
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5852016-09-27T17:53:07 <sipa> there is no "part of a tor client"...
5862016-09-27T17:53:13 <sipa> there is logic to talk to tor
5872016-09-27T17:53:19 <sipa> to ask it to open a port for us
5882016-09-27T17:53:29 <d4de> oh ok, what's that? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/920ca1f0bf0b786250e3119a05984e0c2af1350a/src/torcontrol.cpp
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5902016-09-27T17:53:39 <d4de> right
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5922016-09-27T17:53:50 <sipa> that's a client for tor's control interface
5932016-09-27T17:54:06 <d4de> so usually people just have that done outside of their app, in any case, my question stands
5942016-09-27T17:54:30 <wumpus> sure, having it happen automatically means that it is easier to do
5952016-09-27T17:54:47 <wumpus> it's easy enough to disable if you don't want to use the functionality
5962016-09-27T17:54:59 <d4de> yep, worth maintaining and be a potential source of issues?
5972016-09-27T17:55:02 <d4de> I understand that wumpus
5982016-09-27T17:55:11 <wumpus> everything is a potential source of issues
5992016-09-27T17:55:11 <d4de> I'm arguing for the merits of having in the code base to begin with
6002016-09-27T17:55:30 <d4de> true, so let's not add more to "everything"? see where I'm coming from
6012016-09-27T17:55:32 <d4de> ?
6022016-09-27T17:55:35 <wumpus> who are you and why are you arguing this?
6032016-09-27T17:56:16 <sipa> we as a community of developers are the ones who have to maintain this, and we found it worthwhile to have this regardless of the extra work it brings
6042016-09-27T17:56:23 <d4de> I'm a bitcoin user... why, because I believe bitcoind should do one thing and one thing only instead of having the binary be bigger?
6052016-09-27T17:56:37 <wumpus> it hardly matters to the binary size
6062016-09-27T17:56:49 <wumpus> please go do something else
6072016-09-27T17:57:02 <d4de> I'll certainly will, thanks
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6092016-09-27T17:57:06 <wumpus> it's like you arguing anti-privacy
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6112016-09-27T17:57:30 <wumpus> strange person
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6132016-09-27T17:59:52 <paveljanik> maybe he comes from the UNIX world. Do one thing only and do it the best you van. But the world has moved...
6142016-09-27T17:59:58 <paveljanik> can
6152016-09-27T18:00:03 * wumpus comes form the 'UNIX world'
6162016-09-27T18:00:04 <paveljanik> people are lazy
6172016-09-27T18:00:08 * paveljanik too
6182016-09-27T18:00:24 <paveljanik> even if it is about their money...
6192016-09-27T18:00:54 <wumpus> I've developed for solaris, for openbsd, that doesn't make me a crazy person that goes into other people's project's IRC channels and start silly arguments
6202016-09-27T18:01:04 <wumpus> oh HPUX even
6212016-09-27T18:01:30 <sipa> we still don't have SMTP support in bitcoind, right?
6222016-09-27T18:01:34 <paveljanik> he probably misunderstands the tor principles...
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6242016-09-27T18:03:02 <wumpus> no LISP interpreter either
6252016-09-27T18:03:22 * paveljanik hides his Editor 8)
6262016-09-27T18:03:46 <paveljanik> M-x wallet RET
6272016-09-27T18:04:13 <paveljanik> oops, wrong buffer
6282016-09-27T18:04:16 <paveljanik> ;-)
6292016-09-27T18:04:23 <sipa> bah, in my days we used to compute our public key by hand
6302016-09-27T18:05:05 <cfields_> wumpus: to clarify, a typical "./configure --prefix=foo" is enough to trigger the -fstack-protector-all bug for you with xenial mingw?
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6332016-09-27T18:05:59 <wumpus> cfields_: yes
6342016-09-27T18:06:29 <cfields_> (I should say.. build with depends, typical configure, and ./test_bitcoin.exe?)
6352016-09-27T18:07:07 <wumpus> cfields_: the default hardening settings trigger it
6362016-09-27T18:07:07 <wumpus> sipa: but were the keys longer than 16 bits? :-)
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6382016-09-27T18:07:20 <wumpus> yes, I did nothing special
6392016-09-27T18:07:34 <wumpus> why, you can't reproduce it?
6402016-09-27T18:07:50 <wumpus> I may have switched the g++ compiler to posix and back a few times :)
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6422016-09-27T18:07:53 <cfields_> if that's the case, happy to report that it's fixed after my toolchain work
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6462016-09-27T18:09:24 <cfields_> wumpus: i've added thin toolchain builders to depends that rid us of the ubuntu toolchain dependency. Only needed once for bootstrap, then we're self-hosted
6472016-09-27T18:09:29 <wumpus> but I think it should be reproducible with new xenial vm + sudo alternatives to switch the compiler to posix (so that it gets past the threading problems) + follow instructions in doc/build-windows.md ,
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6532016-09-27T18:10:30 <wumpus> cfields_: interesting, so that version is newer than the one in ubuntu, I guess?
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6572016-09-27T18:10:42 <cfields_> I'm not sure if that's what you wanted long-term or not, but I wanted to go through the process to see what it would take
6582016-09-27T18:11:11 <wumpus> gcc or clang?
6592016-09-27T18:11:20 <cfields_> wumpus: yes. gcc 6.2.0. mingw 4.0.6.
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6652016-09-27T18:11:33 <wumpus> I don't care, I just want the releases to work :)
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6682016-09-27T18:11:54 <wumpus> whoa 6.2,0, I'm surprise that works at all
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6712016-09-27T18:12:06 <wumpus> I don't think I've ever used a gcc newer than 5.x
6722016-09-27T18:12:25 <wumpus> but anyhow for macosx we use a custom toolchain too right?
6732016-09-27T18:12:36 <wumpus> I don't see a problem with doing the same for windows
6742016-09-27T18:12:37 <kanzure> wumpus: i don't think d4de is arguing anti-privacy; he previously proposed other ways of using tor.
6752016-09-27T18:12:46 <cfields_> figured i'd start with latest stable versions of everything, then backing down as needed
6762016-09-27T18:13:17 <cfields_> wumpus: yes. Linux is self-hosted now too.
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6782016-09-27T18:14:08 <wumpus> the only problem with our own toolchains is that we have to set what CPU and architecture to target and such
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6802016-09-27T18:14:14 <cfields_> wumpus: the idea would be: very rarely, build new toolchains with gitian and host them. Essentially the same as we do now with the clang toolchain for osx
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6822016-09-27T18:14:33 <cfields_> wumpus: yep, plug in your triplet, and it builds you a toolchain that just works :)
6832016-09-27T18:15:08 <wumpus> the compiler is also built determinstically?
6842016-09-27T18:15:30 <cfields_> yep. Even builds its own glibc and uses it to interpret itself
6852016-09-27T18:15:37 <wumpus> kanzure: it was weird anyhow
6862016-09-27T18:15:37 <cfields_> (only in one round, though)
6872016-09-27T18:16:29 <wumpus> cfields_: so we have to do a gitian round for building the toolchain?
6882016-09-27T18:16:56 <wumpus> cfields_: I think it makes sense, although it has to be deterministically reproducible over a longer time than typical bitcoin releases I guess
6892016-09-27T18:17:07 <cfields_> wumpus: we wouldn't have to as it should just work anywhere. But for purity, I think we'd want to
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6912016-09-27T18:17:43 <sipa> cfields_: does this mean we could build reproducible binaries, directly from depends/, without gitian?
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6932016-09-27T18:18:48 <wumpus> but how does that work, the toolchain is built and the result is cached like the other depends packages?
6942016-09-27T18:18:49 <cfields_> sipa: I think it'd be possible, but likely not realistic. Things like $USER and $PATH would be hard to strip out
6952016-09-27T18:19:49 <wumpus> yes and tons of unix utilities that are used during the build/configure process which may give slightly differnet results on different OSes, the toolchain is not the only thing that reflects in the binaries
6962016-09-27T18:19:50 <cfields_> wumpus: yea. The caching part isn't done yet, but I was picturing a make BUILD_TOOLCHAIN=true or so, otherwise it attempts to fetch the known pre-built one
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6982016-09-27T18:20:06 <sipa> cfields_: would you consider that to be future work?
6992016-09-27T18:20:31 <sipa> (making it deterministic without gitian)
7002016-09-27T18:20:35 <wumpus> cfields_: you mean, fetch pre-built binaries? that seems like a security risk
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7082016-09-27T18:21:02 <cfields_> sipa: could be, but I think it'd require a new approach. It essentially needs a chroot at minimum, I think
7092016-09-27T18:21:33 <wumpus> sipa: I think you need some kind of controlled environment for deterministic building, whether it a chroot or LXC container
7102016-09-27T18:21:44 <wumpus> sipa: otherwise there's just too much factors that can interfere
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7142016-09-27T18:22:08 <cfields_> wumpus: right, which is why we'd want them built with gitian. The download would look for a specific pre-generated result and checksum. Same as our osx toolchain download now.
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7162016-09-27T18:22:49 <cfields_> wumpus: also note that the toolchains are chained. So the old one always builds the new one.
7172016-09-27T18:23:51 <cfields_> wumpus: again, I'm not married to it. I just wanted to go through it to see what it would take. If you'd prefer a different approach, or not bothering, I'm fine with that. The busted mingw toolchain from Ubuntu just made me grumpy :)
7182016-09-27T18:24:55 <wumpus> cfields_: well I think building the toolchain to build with, certainly for windows makes sense
7192016-09-27T18:25:46 <cfields_> wumpus: also worth noting that they're stand-alone and relocatable. So they're still generally useful outside of depends
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7222016-09-27T18:26:33 <wumpus> I just think that outside of gitian, depends downloading binaries is a bit questionable
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7242016-09-27T18:26:44 <wumpus> it's not what I would expect at least
7252016-09-27T18:27:06 <cfields_> wumpus: well, it could default to self-building I suppose
7262016-09-27T18:27:19 <cfields_> no reason not to, other than it takes a long time.
7272016-09-27T18:27:32 <wumpus> I think it should default to using the toolchain provided by the user, unless specified otherwise
7282016-09-27T18:28:10 <wumpus> I mean *generally* if you cross compile you have a toolchain and want to use that
7292016-09-27T18:28:21 <wumpus> the ubuntu situation is kind of fucked up
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7342016-09-27T18:29:43 <cfields_> wumpus: sure. But the question is: going forward, how do we specify the toolchains used for releases? I don't think we always want to be at the mercy of the latest $distro packages?
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7422016-09-27T18:31:50 <wumpus> cfields_: I think we should distinguish two cases here a) gitian builds b) user's depends builds. For the gitian builds it's acceptable to use our own toolchain. Also for depends, if so chosen. But I don't think depends should start out fetching/building a toolchain by default
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7442016-09-27T18:32:32 <wumpus> cfields_: an example, let's say I'm cross-compiling for ARM. I have my own toolchain which I've built myself specifically for the device I'm cross-compiling to. But I use the depends to build bitcoin's dependencies.
7452016-09-27T18:32:54 <wumpus> cfields_: I wouldn't expect it to start building a random ARM toolchain, then :)
7462016-09-27T18:34:39 <wumpus> or ubuntus with broken toolchain we should document how to use our own, alternative toolchain
7472016-09-27T18:34:42 <wumpus> +for
7482016-09-27T18:34:44 <cfields_> wumpus: yes. The more reasonable approach would probably be 2 processes. One to build our toolchains, the other to build our depends. One can be plugged into the other for gitian/travis.
7492016-09-27T18:35:11 <wumpus> at least until ubuntu has cleaned up their act...
7502016-09-27T18:35:12 <cfields_> (just by setting PATH)
7512016-09-27T18:35:17 <wumpus> right
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7532016-09-27T18:36:43 <cfields_> ok. And in that case, we'd want them chained together to eliminate distro reliance, right?
7542016-09-27T18:37:28 <wumpus> for the gitian builds, absolutely
7552016-09-27T18:37:47 <wumpus> I completely agree with what you're doing, I just don't think it should be default for depends
7562016-09-27T18:39:24 <cfields_> ok
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7612016-09-27T18:41:25 <cfields_> sipa: to answer your question, I'm torn. I think working on a deterministic process like that is interesting, but I think it's more correct and generally useful to do it at a higher level
7622016-09-27T18:42:17 <cfields_> higher level meaning: fix the tools as needed to allow determinism, then projects can provide their own minimal environments (or use a de-facto one) for stripping out the rest.
7632016-09-27T18:42:37 <cfields_> There are already several projects like that, I think I'd only be adding noise :)
7642016-09-27T18:43:04 <sipa> cfields_: ok, just asking :)
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7682016-09-27T18:47:05 <GitHub86> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #8809: WIP: [qt] rework sync-overlay (master...Mf1609-qtSyncInf) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8809
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7702016-09-27T18:48:15 <wumpus> cfields_: yes we should strongly avoid duplicating other project's efforts
7712016-09-27T18:48:36 <wumpus> we have plenty of issues of our own
7722016-09-27T18:49:58 <wumpus> and way too few people to handle them...
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7772016-09-27T19:01:58 <arubi> I'm noticing the same behavior change in my own parser after implementing segwit today: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/40b5ff00 - is parsing supposed to fail on zero inputs txs now?
7782016-09-27T19:02:35 <sipa> no valid transaction can have zero inputs
7792016-09-27T19:03:19 <arubi> right, and that would be the case forever?
7802016-09-27T19:03:44 <sipa> yes, it's a consensus rule
7812016-09-27T19:04:01 <sipa> and changing it would introduce replay attacks to bitcoin
7822016-09-27T19:04:29 <sipa> bitcoin core uses some heuristics when parsing input for fundrawtransaction and decoderawtransaction to determine whether it's an incomplete non-segwit transaction instead
7832016-09-27T19:04:49 <sipa> but i expect that longer term we'll need to move away from using the same serialization for incomplete transactions
7842016-09-27T19:05:09 <sipa> it becomes very hard to hack things like partial signatures for more complicated scripts into it
7852016-09-27T19:05:18 <arubi> exactly
7862016-09-27T19:06:13 <morcos> what were we saying CPU SHA256 speed was in MB/s?
7872016-09-27T19:06:27 <sipa> 150
7882016-09-27T19:06:34 <morcos> k, thx
7892016-09-27T19:06:54 <arubi> sipa, I see, so not really losing anything by not parsing transactions like those anymore, not that I ever used it for anything meaningful. I'll try figuring out how to bail early. thanks
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7912016-09-27T19:20:40 <jonasschnelli> has the FIBER (relay network) any form of encryption or authentication?
7922016-09-27T19:21:43 <sipa> BlueMatt: ^
7932016-09-27T19:22:07 <sipa> (also, it's called FIBRE)
7942016-09-27T19:22:24 <jonasschnelli> Ah.. it's french :)
7952016-09-27T19:23:16 <sipa> no, it's Fast Internet Bitcoin Relay Engine :p
7962016-09-27T19:23:25 <sipa> i assume it is purely IP based, but I don't know
7972016-09-27T19:23:49 <jonasschnelli> Looking at the code... yes. I think pure IP based.
7982016-09-27T19:24:16 <sipa> it's also UDP, so BIP151 wouldn't easily apply
7992016-09-27T19:24:39 <jonasschnelli> So an ISP could easily withhold blocks form certain miners
8002016-09-27T19:24:57 <jonasschnelli> Yes. I'm bringing this up in my BIP151 talk at the SB
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8832016-09-27T19:47:41 <BlueMatt> jonasschnelli: it does
8842016-09-27T19:47:54 <BlueMatt> it has a simple mac key which is a constant per connection
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8862016-09-27T19:48:03 <BlueMatt> no encryption, just auth
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8932016-09-27T19:51:50 <sipa> BlueMatt: ah nice
8942016-09-27T19:52:02 <sipa> no encryption makes sense, there is no private data anyway
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8962016-09-27T19:53:16 <BlueMatt> sipa: the "addudpnode" stuff requires a "password" for each connection
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