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  4 2016-10-21T00:38:04  <achow101> michagogo: interesting. My script (the on that is in contrib/) doesn't work. But yours does. Now I need to find what the difference is, because mine does a whole lot more stuff
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 13 2016-10-21T01:34:07  <luke-jr> sigs pushed for rc2
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 15 2016-10-21T01:44:39  <achow101> michagogo: I got it to work with my script (had to make a few tweaks). Thanks for making the vm image. Maybe part of the issue I have with setting up lxc on my computer is that I use Ubuntu 16.04 instead of 14.04
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 32 2016-10-21T03:25:55  <luke-jr> https://lwn.net/Articles/704078/ local exploit in all released Linux kernels
 33 2016-10-21T03:27:21  <luke-jr> "An exploit using this technique has been found in the wild."
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 38 2016-10-21T04:02:33  <jl2012> is there any way to generate the same block hash every time running regtest?
 39 2016-10-21T04:05:53  <luke-jr> jl2012: by giving it the same blocks?
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 41 2016-10-21T04:08:01  <jl2012> so i can't generate blocks with the RPC generate command?
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 43 2016-10-21T04:09:52  <luke-jr> nothing stopping you, but there's no reason to expect that to be deterministic
 44 2016-10-21T04:10:10  <luke-jr> might work if you set a mock time.. maybe
 45 2016-10-21T04:10:30  <jl2012> it'd be nice if it has a detministicgenerate command. Given the same condition, it always returns the same block hash
 46 2016-10-21T04:10:43  <luke-jr> but the conditions are never the same (timestamp)
 47 2016-10-21T04:11:17  <luke-jr> it's not like compiling where it's just a random timestamp being added, the timestamp actually has a role in the blockchain :p
 48 2016-10-21T04:12:16  <jl2012> that could be deterministic too, e.g. just make it always 600s apart
 49 2016-10-21T04:12:31  <luke-jr> seems like it'd defeat the purpose
 50 2016-10-21T04:13:17  <jl2012> sometimes, you want to faithfually repeat the process
 51 2016-10-21T04:13:45  <luke-jr> so try setting a mock time..
 52 2016-10-21T04:14:26  <jl2012> also setting the same pubkey for reward, I guess?
 53 2016-10-21T04:14:49  <luke-jr> or just load a set deterministic wallet ;)
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 57 2016-10-21T04:26:22  <jl2012> thanks
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 90 2016-10-21T08:31:06  <Victorsueca> morning
 91 2016-10-21T08:34:40  <wumpus> morning
 92 2016-10-21T08:35:02  <jonasschnelli> Would it be problematic to throw CoinControl into the wallet logic in cases where CoinControl is disabled? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/qt/sendcoinsdialog.cpp#L233
 93 2016-10-21T08:35:38  <jonasschnelli> I guess CoinControls default should result in the exact same transaction like if it was not thrown into the CreateTransaction logic
 94 2016-10-21T08:36:07  <wumpus> youd' have to be really sure of that
 95 2016-10-21T08:36:24  <wumpus> also there's the possibility that the user disabled coincontrol and the settings are no longer at default
 96 2016-10-21T08:36:27  <wumpus> be careful
 97 2016-10-21T08:36:37  <jonasschnelli> hm...
 98 2016-10-21T08:36:59  <jonasschnelli> I'd like to use it for the confirmation target (instead of miss-using the default)
 99 2016-10-21T08:37:05  <Victorsueca> In theory the logic should be the same except maybe for some edge cases
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101 2016-10-21T08:37:09  <jonasschnelli> Instead of adding a parameter to CreateTransaction
102 2016-10-21T08:37:17  <wumpus> I don't think passing in a defaults-only coincontrol structure if no coin control is desired is a bad idea per ce, it would simplify some checks
103 2016-10-21T08:37:36  <wumpus> Victorsueca: "in theory" is not good enough for these kind of changes
104 2016-10-21T08:37:58  <jonasschnelli> The problem is, CoinControl has bad test coverage. Mostly GUI only
105 2016-10-21T08:38:05  <Victorsueca> wumpus: yeah, either is "maybe" for the edge cases
106 2016-10-21T08:38:06  <wumpus> yes, that has to change
107 2016-10-21T08:38:45  <Victorsueca> this would have to go through some extensive checks to be sure the logic is the same
108 2016-10-21T08:39:09  <wumpus> requiring a coincontrol object would at least unify the coin control and non-coin control code paths for a bit
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110 2016-10-21T08:40:42  <wumpus> good idea to use it for the confirmation target. THat would change meaning of the the structure from "coin control" to "sending preferences" but that's OK
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112 2016-10-21T08:41:30  <wumpus> that's more general, I've always thought it was a bit strange to have an argument for what is basically a specific UI feature
113 2016-10-21T08:41:47  <jonasschnelli> Yes. We could rename it soon.
114 2016-10-21T08:41:56  <jonasschnelli> We aleady use it over RPC for fundraw
115 2016-10-21T08:42:03  <wumpus> well no need to rename it immediately, just add a comment to the documentation or so
116 2016-10-21T08:42:19  <wumpus> e.g. at the top of the class
117 2016-10-21T08:42:30  <wumpus> right, it's alredy used for other things
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119 2016-10-21T08:43:02  <jonasschnelli> Currently, if you play with the smartfee-slider and use RPC or console (send*) it will affect your RPC/consoles send* confirmation target. :)
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121 2016-10-21T08:43:23  <wumpus> yes changing the default in the background is really ugly
122 2016-10-21T08:43:54  <wumpus> that always bothered me, all the side effects and uncontained input in the wallet logic
123 2016-10-21T08:45:13  <Victorsueca> it's also ugly how it uses different fee systems for the GUI and the RPC
124 2016-10-21T08:45:17  <jonasschnelli> Yeah. We need to untangle the "CoinControls" layer violation. It should always respect the WalletModel
125 2016-10-21T08:46:16  <Victorsueca> lots of people have made mistakes believing the GUI setting would affect the RPC backend (which is logic to think)
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127 2016-10-21T08:49:13  <jonasschnelli> Oh. So users may use the GUI to set the RPC parameters? So it's a features instead a bug?!
128 2016-10-21T08:52:08  <tulip> Lightsword: testnet seems to be at least mostly working today. some of the testnet explorers are jammed, but blockr.io and blocktrail.com are keeping up.
129 2016-10-21T08:52:18  <Victorsueca> jonasschnelli: AFAIK the GUI slider doesn't affect the RPC, and that's exactly the problem, some people tries it and ends sending a transaction with the RPC fee setting
130 2016-10-21T08:57:20  <GitHub24> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli opened pull request #8989: [Qt] overhaul smart-fee slider, adjust default confirmation target (master...2016/10/qt_slider) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8989
131 2016-10-21T08:58:10  <wumpus> nonono the GUI should *not* affect the RPC
132 2016-10-21T08:58:30  <wumpus> that's completely clueless
133 2016-10-21T08:59:11  <wumpus> e.g. third-party software using the RPC should not be affected by what the user happens to be currently doing in the GUI
134 2016-10-21T08:59:26  <wumpus> of course this is different from clearly global scope changes like the 'settings' dialog
135 2016-10-21T08:59:33  <wumpus> which should affect the whole process
136 2016-10-21T08:59:44  <wumpus> but per-send options should definitely not affect RPC
137 2016-10-21T08:59:48  <Victorsueca> wumpus: yeah, but maybe we should add a warning message to avoid confusion, some people actually tries to use the GUI to set the RPC fee
138 2016-10-21T08:59:58  <luke-jr> wumpus: the slider isn't clearly per-send
139 2016-10-21T09:00:10  <wumpus> it should be.
140 2016-10-21T09:00:17  <luke-jr> wumpus: it's outside the entry-container, and remains set after you send
141 2016-10-21T09:00:23  <luke-jr> this suggests to me that it's global
142 2016-10-21T09:00:27  <luke-jr> even though I know it isn't
143 2016-10-21T09:00:59  <jonasschnelli> It's per send.. but the value will be stored and persisted in QSettings
144 2016-10-21T09:01:16  <luke-jr> jonasschnelli: how is that per send? :P
145 2016-10-21T09:01:40  <wumpus> it can be a convenience to remember the setting
146 2016-10-21T09:01:42  <jonasschnelli> With per-send I mean that its value should not be spread global and effect the CWallet structure and RPC
147 2016-10-21T09:01:50  <wumpus> but if that puts people on wrong footing, it should probably just reset every time
148 2016-10-21T09:02:04  <jonasschnelli> It's per-send in the software-design but persisted between multiple sends. :)
149 2016-10-21T09:02:10  <luke-jr> Maybe a "set as default" button
150 2016-10-21T09:02:19  <wumpus> but that default still shouldn't affect RPC
151 2016-10-21T09:02:26  <jonasschnelli> I think it could be useful to keep the confirmation target between sends
152 2016-10-21T09:02:37  <jonasschnelli> Yes. The default is GUI only
153 2016-10-21T09:02:38  <luke-jr> wumpus: why?
154 2016-10-21T09:02:49  <wumpus> there isn't even such a a setting in RPC, and QSettings should never affect core settings anyway
155 2016-10-21T09:02:59  <jonasschnelli> Indeed
156 2016-10-21T09:03:03  <wumpus> because RPC should be as stateless aspossible
157 2016-10-21T09:03:24  <luke-jr> it's a command-line option from the user's perspective
158 2016-10-21T09:03:24  <jonasschnelli> We could think of adding a conf-target feature to fundraw
159 2016-10-21T09:03:24  <wumpus> and certainly not 'inhereit' from the GUI
160 2016-10-21T09:03:37  <wumpus> this creates even more confusing differences between running bitcoind and running the GUI
161 2016-10-21T09:03:46  * jonasschnelli needs to fo afk
162 2016-10-21T09:04:00  <luke-jr> "Set as GUI default" :P
163 2016-10-21T09:04:05  <wumpus> yes
164 2016-10-21T09:04:15  <luke-jr> inb4 users ask what a GUI is <.<
165 2016-10-21T09:04:38  <wumpus> the people that use RPC will know
166 2016-10-21T09:04:42  <Victorsueca> think of it as a browser storing your login email for a web page, the web page only receives the email once per-login, even tho the browser can remember it and prefill the field the next time you visit the web page
167 2016-10-21T09:05:02  <wumpus> people that only use the GUI don't need to know the distinction
168 2016-10-21T09:06:59  <wumpus> but anyhow for the interface to be well-defined it needs to be entirely transparent which parameters affect RPC calls, there can't be any 'magic' side-input depending on whether a GUI is running
169 2016-10-21T09:07:35  <wumpus> remember the goal is to decouple the GUI, not couple it further
170 2016-10-21T09:09:56  <Victorsueca> what about putting a RPC-specific fee setting on the GUI? Maybe on Settings > Options...
171 2016-10-21T09:10:09  <wumpus> no, let people set RPC settings through RPC
172 2016-10-21T09:11:01  <wumpus> or preferably, pass necessary all input to the call itself so the message is self-contained
173 2016-10-21T09:16:28  <wumpus> but yes, in the settings dialog there could be settings that affect both GUI and RPC, there are some like 'dbcache' which necessarily need to affect everything
174 2016-10-21T09:16:39  <wumpus> there it is not confusing
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178 2016-10-21T09:18:50  <wumpus> those settings will have associated command line arguments, and should also be able to be changed through RPC if possible to change them during runtime
179 2016-10-21T09:20:35  <wumpus> settings that affect RPC usage, but can't be set either through command line arguments or through RPC, but only through the GUI should be avoided at all costs
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184 2016-10-21T09:31:52  <wumpus> hey, coincontrol.h needs to be in src/wallet
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188 2016-10-21T09:36:08  <jl2012> is there any RPC command to clear the mempool or clear a txid from mempool?
189 2016-10-21T09:36:19  <jl2012> for regtest
190 2016-10-21T09:36:35  <wumpus> I don't think so
191 2016-10-21T09:38:00  <jl2012> any reason not to have this? I think it's useful for testing
192 2016-10-21T09:38:07  <wumpus> feel free to add it
193 2016-10-21T09:38:18  <jl2012> ok, i'll try
194 2016-10-21T09:39:37  <wumpus> though I'm not sure how useful it is for RPC testing, removing transactions manually seems a thing to exercise in mempool unit tests
195 2016-10-21T09:40:02  <wumpus> but if you have a specific test inmind that would improve, sure
196 2016-10-21T09:41:38  <jl2012> e.g. I submitted a tx, then I malleate the tx and resubmit, and want to see if the new version would be accepted
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198 2016-10-21T09:45:22  <shangzhou> i think one thing was BIP 16 has an accidental stack limit of 520 bytes for the script.  you'd have to ask wumpus, gmaxwell, pwuille etc. https://bitcoincore.slack.com/archives/welcome/p1477041640021165
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200 2016-10-21T09:48:48  <jl2012> shangzhou: that's not accidental. The limit was there long before that
201 2016-10-21T09:50:26  <michagogo> achow101: yeah, I'm pretty sure The Xenial Xerus was known to be problematic
202 2016-10-21T09:50:28  <GitHub196> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #8990: moveonly: move `coincontrol` to `src/wallet` (master...2016_10_coincontrol_wallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8990
203 2016-10-21T09:51:56  <luke-jr> jl2012: it was accidental that it affected P2SH
204 2016-10-21T09:52:26  <jl2012> no one realized that when P2SH was deployed?
205 2016-10-21T09:53:34  <luke-jr> nope
206 2016-10-21T09:53:50  <luke-jr> it wasn't until much later that we realised 20-of-20 multisig wouldn't work :p
207 2016-10-21T09:54:17  <luke-jr> (or even 1-of-20 IIRC)
208 2016-10-21T09:54:33  <jl2012> well......I can't believe everyone overlooked this
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210 2016-10-21T09:55:12  <Victorsueca> now that max script size is set on stone, fixing it would be a hard-fork
211 2016-10-21T09:55:28  <jl2012> max script size is still 10000
212 2016-10-21T09:55:34  <michagogo> jl2012: people overlook obvious things all the time
213 2016-10-21T09:55:34  <wumpus> back then, getting a lot of good review for proposals was a problem, even more than it was now
214 2016-10-21T09:55:53  <wumpus> segwit got *tons* of review compared to BIP16 I'm sure
215 2016-10-21T09:56:35  <michagogo> It's just that overlooking things _here_ has a much bigger potential impact
216 2016-10-21T09:56:55  <michagogo> Victorsueca: did you see my gitian appliance?
217 2016-10-21T09:56:59  <luke-jr> BIP 16 was merged with exactly zero ACKs: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/748
218 2016-10-21T09:57:06  <wumpus> yes, way different times
219 2016-10-21T09:57:15  <Victorsueca> michagogo: not yet
220 2016-10-21T09:57:36  <michagogo> Victorsueca: you can download it at https://1drv.ms/f/s!AvCguGMVwWzLgxJPeXdvaQVJ2WJq
221 2016-10-21T09:57:52  <michagogo> There's an .ova there, and a video showing the process of making it
222 2016-10-21T09:57:55  <Victorsueca> wumpus: it's probably getting lots of reviews because everybody loves a well deployed hard-forks, so well deployed that it's even a soft-fork!
223 2016-10-21T09:58:09  <michagogo> About one hour, from the first boot all the way through shutting it down to export
224 2016-10-21T09:58:27  <Victorsueca> I guess nobody thought some years back that a block size increase could be implemented as a soft-fork
225 2016-10-21T09:58:33  <michagogo> Including all the trial-and-error and pauses while I looked stuff up outside the VM
226 2016-10-21T09:59:24  <michagogo> Victorsueca: "some years back" nobody was thinking about the block size and the need to increase it yet
227 2016-10-21T09:59:33  <jl2012> i think the main argument for BIP16 was the output is not anyone-can-spend until it is actually spent. But the difference is very limited
228 2016-10-21T10:00:19  <Victorsueca> michagogo: want me to torrent the .ova up? I could seed it for a while until it spreads
229 2016-10-21T10:00:45  <michagogo> Ah, if you've got a seedbox I can make one
230 2016-10-21T10:00:47  <michagogo> One sec
231 2016-10-21T10:00:59  <Victorsueca> no need, i'll do everything
232 2016-10-21T10:02:13  <Victorsueca> I will send you the magnet link when it's done
233 2016-10-21T10:02:15  <luke-jr> jl2012: the main argument was the implementation didn't touch the script interpreter
234 2016-10-21T10:02:36  <luke-jr> jl2012: which was at the time considered by some to be essentially beyond anyone's competency to modify
235 2016-10-21T10:03:13  <luke-jr> in hindsight, that argument seems ridiculous to me. it may have seemed ridiculous to me at the time, I forget.
236 2016-10-21T10:05:25  <wumpus> it wasn't ridiculous at the time
237 2016-10-21T10:06:00  <wumpus> no one was competent to change that code at the time, least of all Gavin :)
238 2016-10-21T10:06:29  <luke-jr> well, I was the one changing it with BIP 17 ;)
239 2016-10-21T10:06:47  * luke-jr ponders if he went back and re-reviewed BIP 17's code, if he'd find any bugs
240 2016-10-21T10:06:49  <michagogo> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:DA7ED2875C26C736B607719549894458E8283407&dn=Gitian%20builder.7z&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.publicbt.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.ccc.de%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.coppersurfer.tk%3a6969&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.torrent.eu.org%3a451
241 2016-10-21T10:06:57  <michagogo> Victorsueca: ^
242 2016-10-21T10:07:07  <wumpus> and we still need to be extremely careful with changes to the script interpreter
243 2016-10-21T10:07:45  <wumpus> but there are a few more people clueful in that regard now
244 2016-10-21T10:08:21  <Victorsueca> michagogo: I prefer to create my own if you don't care
245 2016-10-21T10:08:39  <Victorsueca> michagogo: I can use that one tho if you want
246 2016-10-21T10:09:52  <michagogo> Victorsueca: how come?
247 2016-10-21T10:10:33  <luke-jr> glancing at the 1 page of consensus-critical code for BIP 17, I think I'm pretty certain it wouldn't cause consensus failure at least :P
248 2016-10-21T10:11:00  <Victorsueca> michagogo: currently downloading from 1drv
249 2016-10-21T10:11:10  <Victorsueca> michagogo: i'll start seeding it as soon as it's done
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251 2016-10-21T10:12:59  <michagogo> molz: did you manage to get it from onedrive in the end?
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253 2016-10-21T10:34:01  <tulip> > now that max script size is set on stone, fixing it would be a hard-fork
254 2016-10-21T10:34:01  <tulip> Victorsueca: not exactly. it can be done as a soft fork quite easily, same as segwit :)
255 2016-10-21T10:34:23  <luke-jr> segwit2 can just change the magic bytes! :P
256 2016-10-21T10:34:40  <luke-jr> actually, I guess that'd require retaining the old commitment too. hmm
257 2016-10-21T10:34:52  <tulip> when you think about it, there's actually very little which can't be done with a soft fork. it just depends how far you're willing to go with it. the limit is changing the proof of work, and even that is mutable to a certain extent if you'd like to.
258 2016-10-21T10:35:11  <luke-jr> tulip: go too far and it becomes a soft-hardfork
259 2016-10-21T10:35:51  <tulip> luke-jr: you should implement mohs scale for soft forks, otherwise you're going to increasing make less and less sense.
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261 2016-10-21T10:37:09  <luke-jr> ?
262 2016-10-21T10:37:17  <tulip> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness
263 2016-10-21T10:37:23  <Victorsueca> and if you ever needed to make a hard-fork for whatever reason it could be well deployed if the hashrate majority merge-mines it while nuking the old chain
264 2016-10-21T10:43:41  <aj> tulip: does that mean a bilateral hard-fork might be said to be diamond tipped?
265 2016-10-21T10:47:30  <michagogo> Victorsueca: nuking the old chain how?
266 2016-10-21T10:47:48  <michagogo> Merged mining implies continuing to mine this chain
267 2016-10-21T10:48:15  <luke-jr> michagogo: see https://github.com/luke-jr/bips/blob/bip-mmhf/bip-mmhf.mediawiki
268 2016-10-21T10:48:28  <Victorsueca> michagogo: you merge-mine both the old and the new chain
269 2016-10-21T10:48:46  <Victorsueca> and you nuke it by soft-forking it to 0 MB blocks
270 2016-10-21T10:49:19  <luke-jr> Victorsueca: 100B
271 2016-10-21T10:54:22  <Victorsueca> luke-jr: your BIP still has a high potential to hard-fork in a bad way if people chooses to build and distribute software that bypasses the Hardfork deployment bitfields, ignores the fact that there are unknown rules activated out there and keeps mining on that chain
272 2016-10-21T10:55:25  <luke-jr> Victorsueca: nothing can prevent incompetent people from writing bad software, nor is it intended to
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274 2016-10-21T11:00:35  <Victorsueca> AFAIK the only ways to make a safe hard-fork are either tricking old nodes to think everything is ok and make it a soft-fork (segwit) or soft-fork the old chain in a way that makes it unusable AKA nuking it
275 2016-10-21T11:00:43  <Victorsueca> 2 ways*
276 2016-10-21T11:03:08  <Victorsueca> would be really appreciated by everybody if someone knew another way to make it reasonable safe to ensure the old chain will die
277 2016-10-21T11:05:26  <aj> Victorsueca: you can let old nodes continue to see all the transactions but maybe not understand everything about them (soft-fork), you can let old nodes see none of the transactions (nuke the chain, evil/soft-hard-fork), or you can let old nodes see some but not all of the transactions (sidechains, layer two networks) ...
278 2016-10-21T11:05:55  <Victorsueca> ahh right
279 2016-10-21T11:06:10  <Victorsueca> 3 ways then, sidechains would be the third way
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281 2016-10-21T11:11:37  <wumpus> please move this to #bitcoin
282 2016-10-21T11:11:48  <wumpus> it is not related to current bitcoin core development
283 2016-10-21T11:12:36  <Victorsueca> wumpus: thanks, will keep that in mind for the next time, I think we're done now
284 2016-10-21T11:12:51  <wumpus> this channel is for discussing code changes
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286 2016-10-21T11:13:21  <Victorsueca> so, what is libconsensus exactly for?
287 2016-10-21T11:14:08  <Victorsueca> is it like a way to detach consensus rules from the main software?
288 2016-10-21T11:14:43  <wumpus> a) so that third-party applications can make use of the consensus code b) to cordon off consensus code from the rest of the software
289 2016-10-21T11:15:17  <wumpus> here: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/shared-libraries.md#bitcoinconsensus
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296 2016-10-21T12:02:37  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8989/files#r84448026
297 2016-10-21T12:02:48  <jonasschnelli> I think the idea with a local instance would work as well...
298 2016-10-21T12:03:04  <jonasschnelli> But the extra mapping from UI to the new coincontrol instance is a little bit nasty
299 2016-10-21T12:03:29  <jonasschnelli> I would prefer per-send-wide coin-control... but I agree, there are some risks.
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303 2016-10-21T12:04:01  <jonasschnelli> In general, the CoinControl objects gets "nulled()" when the user disable the CC features in the settings: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8989/files#diff-76b18bd21ccf64e256f029a8198ecdd7L702
304 2016-10-21T12:04:59  <wumpus> I understand, but I don't think we should be passing the CoinControlDialog's coincontrol instance in case coincontrol is disables. My code makes sure it gets a fresh instance with default values and just the confirmations overridden
305 2016-10-21T12:05:17  <wumpus> which is exactly what we want if coin control is only to be used to pass that parameter
306 2016-10-21T12:06:04  <jonasschnelli> Okay. Yes. Your right. Let me change it
307 2016-10-21T12:06:16  <jonasschnelli> I also revert the slider direction inversion.
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313 2016-10-21T12:29:01  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8989/files, in case you want to review it again
314 2016-10-21T12:32:44  <wumpus> yes, that looks good to me now
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320 2016-10-21T12:44:40  <Victorsueca> michagogo: here's your torrent https://softnet.homenet.org/tokenid_3qsqxgu5wkhopt4k2daqbuxc/
321 2016-10-21T12:45:04  <Victorsueca> username is bitcoin and password is mdtj4g5w5bppajnpmt2ow2dx
322 2016-10-21T12:45:21  <Victorsueca> I password protected it so google doesn't bother me with malware removal warnings
323 2016-10-21T12:46:54  <michagogo> Victorsueca: what's wrong with the other one?
324 2016-10-21T12:47:11  <michagogo> Also, I'm not at my computer now
325 2016-10-21T12:48:03  <michagogo> Don't know when I'll be able to get it
326 2016-10-21T12:48:52  <michagogo> (And why not just a magnet link?)
327 2016-10-21T12:49:34  <Victorsueca> michagogo: I make my torrents in a way they go sooper-fast :P
328 2016-10-21T12:50:11  <Victorsueca> I tried it, but the way I do it magnet links are too long for any clipboard
329 2016-10-21T12:51:00  <Victorsueca> also no need to hurry, take your time until you get to your computer
330 2016-10-21T12:51:06  <Victorsueca> :)
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337 2016-10-21T13:04:00  <wumpus> github is so slow here...
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342 2016-10-21T13:12:48  <jonasschnelli> wumpus: yes. extra-slow at my end as well
343 2016-10-21T13:13:46  <morcos> jonasschnelli: wumpus:  i understand the logic of why the GUI fee estimation PR just changes 25 -> 2, but I don't want to risk that we end up with a GUI defaulting to 2.  I worry that a separate PR to change the overall default from 2 -> 6 will get bikeshedded to death.
344 2016-10-21T13:14:31  <morcos> And without that I think we're creating a worse user experience.  Essentially even more people will be paying too much in fee.  25 is a better choice than 2 IMO.
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346 2016-10-21T13:14:46  <jonasschnelli> I think 6 would be resonable... but we would need to change RPC and GUI
347 2016-10-21T13:14:58  <jonasschnelli> I don't expect to much bikeshedding
348 2016-10-21T13:15:11  <GitHub78> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0e228557f239...7b1bfa3a8786
349 2016-10-21T13:15:11  <GitHub78> bitcoin/master 0a261b6 Jonas Schnelli: Use pindexBestHeader instead of setBlockIndexCandidates for NotifyHeaderTip()
350 2016-10-21T13:15:12  <GitHub78> bitcoin/master 3154d6e Jonas Schnelli: [Qt] use NotifyHeaderTip's height and date for the progress update
351 2016-10-21T13:15:13  <GitHub78> bitcoin/master 7b1bfa3 Jonas Schnelli: Merge #8985: Use pindexBestHeader instead of setBlockIndexCandidates for NotifyHeaderTip()...
352 2016-10-21T13:15:33  <morcos> ok, well i'm just nervous becuase I tried to change it to 6 when it got changed to 2 and I met resistance
353 2016-10-21T13:16:03  <GitHub79> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli closed pull request #8985: Use pindexBestHeader instead of setBlockIndexCandidates for NotifyHeaderTip() (master...2016/10/fix_gui_overlay) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8985
354 2016-10-21T13:16:05  <jonasschnelli> Okay. I see your point.
355 2016-10-21T13:16:43  <wumpus> yes, I like 6 too
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364 2016-10-21T13:58:40  <GitHub53> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/7b1bfa3a8786...3fb3fade3c02
365 2016-10-21T13:58:40  <GitHub53> bitcoin/master 1ae5839 Wladimir J. van der Laan: moveonly: move `coincontrol` to `src/wallet`
366 2016-10-21T13:58:41  <GitHub53> bitcoin/master 3fb3fad Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8990: moveonly: move `coincontrol` to `src/wallet`...
367 2016-10-21T13:58:57  <GitHub155> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8990: moveonly: move `coincontrol` to `src/wallet` (master...2016_10_coincontrol_wallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8990
368 2016-10-21T14:05:55  * Victorsueca starts building that
369 2016-10-21T14:08:36  <jonasschnelli> Hmm... rc2 does not run on OSX 10.7
370 2016-10-21T14:09:16  <michagogo> Victorsueca: hm, what is it that you do?
371 2016-10-21T14:09:38  <michagogo> I would have thought a torrent is a torrent…
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373 2016-10-21T14:10:59  <Victorsueca> michagogo: not sure, I just touched a lot of settings to a option that sounded right to me and then it my torrent files started downloading things faster wherever I run them
374 2016-10-21T14:11:20  <michagogo> Victorsueca: which settings?
375 2016-10-21T14:11:34  <Victorsueca> michagogo: the ones when creating a new torrent file
376 2016-10-21T14:11:54  <michagogo> I'm asking, what settings did you use!
377 2016-10-21T14:11:58  <michagogo> use?*
378 2016-10-21T14:12:09  <Victorsueca> not sure if any of them made actually some effect or it's just my connection
379 2016-10-21T14:12:14  <Victorsueca> let me check...
380 2016-10-21T14:12:43  <jonasschnelli> ping cfields_ : https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/8577
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383 2016-10-21T14:40:27  <Victorsueca> michagogo: set chunk size to 2 MiB and added a lot of trackers (200 or so)
384 2016-10-21T14:40:34  <Victorsueca> those are the settings
385 2016-10-21T14:41:13  <michagogo> Victorsueca: pretty sure the chunk size was 2 on mine too
386 2016-10-21T14:41:16  <michagogo> Or maybe it was 4
387 2016-10-21T14:41:26  <michagogo> And you can just add trackers...
388 2016-10-21T14:41:54  <michagogo> Not that it really matters, since DHT+Peer Exchange mean that you don't really need trackers
389 2016-10-21T14:41:54  <Victorsueca> I guess it's my connection then...
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391 2016-10-21T14:42:07  <michagogo> With pex, you really just need 1 other peer
392 2016-10-21T14:42:21  <michagogo> Like Bitcoin, sort of
393 2016-10-21T14:43:00  <Victorsueca> well, doesn't really matter, I already started seeding the one I made
394 2016-10-21T14:43:42  <Victorsueca> I can seed yours tho if you really want
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398 2016-10-21T14:52:55  <instagibbs_> so why do we make outbound connections to nodes that can't serve us the data we want at all?
399 2016-10-21T14:53:22  <sipa> instagibbs_: because they may give us addresses of peers that do
400 2016-10-21T14:53:42  <instagibbs_> currently we don't do churn of those peers though right
401 2016-10-21T14:54:03  <instagibbs_> like, every X minutes, cycle peers that don't offer services you require
402 2016-10-21T14:54:09  <instagibbs_> (good point though)
403 2016-10-21T14:54:15  <sipa> interesting
404 2016-10-21T14:54:30  <sipa> we do have oneshot connections, which just request an addr and disconnect
405 2016-10-21T14:54:37  <instagibbs_> yeah, feelers
406 2016-10-21T14:54:47  <sipa> no, that's something else still :)
407 2016-10-21T14:54:52  <instagibbs_> oh, doh
408 2016-10-21T14:55:05  <sipa> those don't even get addresses, but just test whether the address is reachable
409 2016-10-21T14:55:16  <instagibbs_> oh of course, i misread
410 2016-10-21T14:55:28  <Victorsueca> we could make it connect, ask for addresses, check if any equiered service is available, if yes then keep alive, if no then drop
411 2016-10-21T14:55:31  <sipa> oneshot connections are used when you're on tor and nedd to use a dns seed for example
412 2016-10-21T14:55:53  <sipa> Victorsueca: we know whether the service is available before we connect
413 2016-10-21T14:56:02  <instagibbs_> via service bits
414 2016-10-21T14:56:14  <instagibbs_> ?
415 2016-10-21T14:56:17  <sipa> yes
416 2016-10-21T14:56:18  <Victorsueca> but you still need to connect to request addresses tho
417 2016-10-21T14:56:23  <sipa> yes
418 2016-10-21T14:56:42  <sipa> and to generally not worsen partitioning of the network
419 2016-10-21T14:57:11  <sipa> even if no peers are available that we like, it's still better to keep the network whole
420 2016-10-21T14:57:18  <instagibbs_> what is it called to talk to a peer for service bits but not connect?
421 2016-10-21T14:57:29  <sipa> ?
422 2016-10-21T14:57:46  <instagibbs_> "we know whether the service is available before we connect" yet we know service bits
423 2016-10-21T14:57:55  <sipa> yes, because the service bits are in addrdb
424 2016-10-21T14:58:27  <GitHub36> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3fb3fade3c02...5af9a7117cff
425 2016-10-21T14:58:27  <GitHub36> bitcoin/master 6f2f639 Jorge Timón: Chainparams: Trivial: In AppInit2(), s/Params()/chainparams/
426 2016-10-21T14:58:27  <GitHub36> bitcoin/master 5af9a71 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8975: Chainparams: Trivial: In AppInit2(), s/Params()/chainparams/...
427 2016-10-21T14:58:30  <GitHub164> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8975: Chainparams: Trivial: In AppInit2(), s/Params()/chainparams/ (master...0.13-chainparams-init) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8975
428 2016-10-21T14:58:40  <sipa> i'm just responding to Victorsueca that the idea of not disconnecting if they do offer the right setvices isn't meaningful... we know that beforehand
429 2016-10-21T14:59:22  <GitHub86> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5af9a7117cff...3cf496d102d2
430 2016-10-21T14:59:23  <GitHub86> bitcoin/master 72ca7d9 Matt Corallo: Don't hold cs_main when calling ProcessNewBlock from a cmpctblock
431 2016-10-21T14:59:23  <Victorsueca> yeah, I understand, if we know the IP to connect to it is because some node told us, and when it did it also told us the available services
432 2016-10-21T14:59:23  <GitHub86> bitcoin/master 3cf496d Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8968: Don't hold cs_main when calling ProcessNewBlock from a cmpctblock...
433 2016-10-21T14:59:34  <Victorsueca> which are stored in the addrdb
434 2016-10-21T14:59:38  <sipa> Victorsueca: exactly
435 2016-10-21T14:59:39  <GitHub170> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8968: Don't hold cs_main when calling ProcessNewBlock from a cmpctblock (master...cmpctblock) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8968
436 2016-10-21T14:59:43  <wumpus> although the services in the addrdb could be wrong, e.g. the peer may have changed services in the mean time
437 2016-10-21T15:00:08  <instagibbs_> err when do we store them in the addrdb
438 2016-10-21T15:00:12  * instagibbs_ looking at code
439 2016-10-21T15:00:15  <sipa> right, but if the services in addrdb are wrong, we treat it as we accidentally connected to the wrong peer
440 2016-10-21T15:00:21  <BlueMatt> wumpus: wait, when did we decide 8968 was for 0.13.1?
441 2016-10-21T15:00:25  <BlueMatt> I thoguht we said no in milan?
442 2016-10-21T15:00:35  <wumpus> oh it isn't?
443 2016-10-21T15:00:36  <wumpus> removing tag
444 2016-10-21T15:00:42  <Victorsueca> lel
445 2016-10-21T15:00:46  <BlueMatt> yes, I think it is uneccessary for 0.13.1
446 2016-10-21T15:01:18  <sipa> BlueMatt: i can't actually remember having a good reasoning why it isn't necessary... but ibagree with the assessment that without clear sign of problems it's just ugly
447 2016-10-21T15:01:46  <BlueMatt> sipa: you're the one who pointed out that cs_main should always be the top lock
448 2016-10-21T15:01:53  <BlueMatt> so adding a cs_main should be just fine
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450 2016-10-21T15:02:09  <wumpus> yes, at most you'll be holding it unnecessarily
451 2016-10-21T15:02:20  <sipa> ah
452 2016-10-21T15:02:29  <sipa> well, "should" :)
453 2016-10-21T15:03:23  * sipa breakfast
454 2016-10-21T15:04:35  <Victorsueca> don't know why but "cs_main" and "lock" in the same sentence sounds to me like you're going to fuck the databases and hard-fork something :P
455 2016-10-21T15:04:47  <Victorsueca> and I don't know coding at all
456 2016-10-21T15:05:03  <wumpus> please...
457 2016-10-21T15:05:18  <sipa> Victorsueca: then perhaps you shouldn't comment in this channel
458 2016-10-21T15:06:46  <Victorsueca> sorry, hope not to have jinxed you :S
459 2016-10-21T15:07:16  <BlueMatt> so, thus far, rc2 is final - doc changes?
460 2016-10-21T15:08:40  <sipa> want me to test whether "cs_main is always the topmost lock" is true?
461 2016-10-21T15:10:18  <BlueMatt> sipa: please do
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465 2016-10-21T15:33:57  <BlueMatt> last block: propagated entire fibre network within 4ms of the speed of light between my servers
466 2016-10-21T15:34:44  <BlueMatt> ok, thats a lie, 10
467 2016-10-21T15:34:52  <BlueMatt> but whatever, thats pretty good
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472 2016-10-21T15:38:01  <sipa> your technology sucks. you could get the block a full 3000 km further in the same time!
473 2016-10-21T15:39:52  <BlueMatt> not in glass!
474 2016-10-21T15:40:04  <BlueMatt> (closer to 1750km)
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477 2016-10-21T15:51:41  <sipa> better get working on that vacuum-tube-fiber
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480 2016-10-21T16:17:28  <Victorsueca> someone said github was slow before?
481 2016-10-21T16:17:38  <Victorsueca> I think I found why
482 2016-10-21T16:19:48  <Victorsueca> someone has been DDoSing Dyn nameservers at US east coast
483 2016-10-21T16:20:00  <Victorsueca> basically _half_ internet is down
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489 2016-10-21T16:35:00  <rabidus_> Victorsueca: github down for me, also netflix
490 2016-10-21T16:35:06  <rabidus_> that's all i've found
491 2016-10-21T16:35:34  <Victorsueca> yeah, it's mostly huge and important services
492 2016-10-21T16:35:59  <Victorsueca> twitter, amazon, netflix, spotify...
493 2016-10-21T16:36:26  <jtimon> github, soundcloud, twitter (not from the android app)...
494 2016-10-21T16:36:50  <jtimon> seems this is it http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/10/dos-attack-on-major-dns-provider-brings-internet-to-morning-crawl/
495 2016-10-21T16:38:25  <cfields_> wtf, i just came here to ask if half of the net was down for everyone else. I assumed it was a stupid question.
496 2016-10-21T16:38:37  <BlueMatt> you want
497 2016-10-21T16:38:41  <rabidus_> amazon.com works
498 2016-10-21T16:38:45  <BlueMatt> cfields_: it works in most places
499 2016-10-21T16:39:00  <BlueMatt> google dns appears to be working around it appropriately
500 2016-10-21T16:41:06  <cfields_> BlueMatt: thanks. my dns setup is a bit weird, i'll wait a bit before changing stuff around
501 2016-10-21T16:41:36  <BlueMatt> cfields_: hardcode to the above ip, then
502 2016-10-21T16:41:39  <BlueMatt> (that is github)
503 2016-10-21T16:41:44  <BlueMatt>  /etc/hosts :)
504 2016-10-21T16:42:33  <cfields_> BlueMatt: ah perfect, thanks
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506 2016-10-21T16:43:44  <rabidus_> this was funny: http://www.vox.com/new-money/2016/10/21/13357332/internet-outage-explained
507 2016-10-21T16:43:48  <rabidus_> because it doesn't work for me
508 2016-10-21T16:44:32  <sipa> everything seems fine here
509 2016-10-21T16:45:38  <BlueMatt> sipa: yea, west coast seems mostly fine, as in apac
510 2016-10-21T16:48:27  <jtimon> alright, setting manual DNS to one in the spanish list here did the trick: http://public-dns.info/
511 2016-10-21T16:50:07  <rabidus_> it think i'm going with big brother dns
512 2016-10-21T16:50:12  <rabidus_> good old
513 2016-10-21T16:52:15  <jtimon> oh, I tried, first but it didn't worked because I forgot the coma, stupid me
514 2016-10-21T16:53:20  <jtimon> this kind of thing wouldn't happen if all domains were in a blockchain
515 2016-10-21T16:53:23  * jtimon hides
516 2016-10-21T16:54:01  * sipa forks jtimon
517 2016-10-21T16:55:19  <instagibbs_> stupid pill q: for inbound connections, how does the nServicesExpected vs offered check pass? It looks to me that expected services is only set for outgoing?
518 2016-10-21T16:55:53  <instagibbs_> this line "if (pfrom->nServicesExpected & ~pfrom->nServices)"
519 2016-10-21T16:56:22  <sipa> that check is always false if nServicesExpected is 0
520 2016-10-21T16:56:55  <instagibbs_> I was thinking xor... lol. sorry.
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522 2016-10-21T17:01:25  <instagibbs_> Confused myself into thinking logic was "any difference in bits" vs "any expected but missing services"
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524 2016-10-21T17:06:41  <cbit> yeah, done for me too
525 2016-10-21T17:06:44  <cbit> down*
526 2016-10-21T17:07:34  <cbit> west coast here..
527 2016-10-21T17:11:37  <rabidus_> just started working here in finland
528 2016-10-21T17:11:51  <rabidus_> at least netflix :P
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535 2016-10-21T17:40:29  <GitHub174> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3cf496d102d2...f08222e882b1
536 2016-10-21T17:40:30  <GitHub174> bitcoin/master 3a286ab S. Matthew English: Eliminating Inconsistencies in Textual Output...
537 2016-10-21T17:40:30  <GitHub174> bitcoin/master f08222e MarcoFalke: Merge #8982: Eliminating Inconsistencies in Textual Output...
538 2016-10-21T17:40:41  <GitHub104> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #8982: Eliminating Inconsistencies in Textual Output (master...patch-6) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8982
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542 2016-10-21T17:50:24  <BlueMatt> cat /etc/hosts
543 2016-10-21T17:50:25  <BlueMatt>	github.com
544 2016-10-21T17:50:25  <BlueMatt> assets-cdn.github.com
545 2016-10-21T17:50:44  <BlueMatt> for those who are missing the cdn entry, though that one might very well be geoip, so have fun on the HKG one
546 2016-10-21T17:51:04  <rabidus_> or,
547 2016-10-21T17:51:14  <BlueMatt> github isnt resolving on for me atm
548 2016-10-21T17:51:27  <rabidus_> wtf, it is for me
549 2016-10-21T17:51:38  <BlueMatt> isnt just one server :p
550 2016-10-21T17:51:39  <rabidus_> or then my main dns started working
551 2016-10-21T17:51:44  <rabidus_> oh, yeah :P
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553 2016-10-21T17:56:44  <BlueMatt> cfields_: ok, #8969 is ready for review since the cs_main fix was merged :)
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557 2016-10-21T18:07:42  <btcdrak> There are also level3 DNS servers at,
558 2016-10-21T18:08:18  <BlueMatt> those dont work from all networks
559 2016-10-21T18:08:59  <BlueMatt> (also, level3 hates it when you publish those - they're supposed to be for l3 customers)
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567 2016-10-21T19:08:43  <jeremyrubin> Annoyingly, Dyn ddos also seems to break travis.
568 2016-10-21T19:09:25  <jeremyrubin> Because travis doesn't have a pinned ip or something for github, so they can't find any of the repos
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573 2016-10-21T19:19:42  <midnightmagic> :-/  What the hell. Why would my GnuPG key require a matching email in order to show as verified in github.
574 2016-10-21T19:20:14  <midnightmagic> "Sign this message acknowledging you authorize this github user to own your commits."
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579 2016-10-21T20:04:32  <GitHub149> [bitcoin] instagibbs opened pull request #8992: Enable pubkey lookup for p2sh-p2wpkh in validateaddress (master...validatep2pkh) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8992
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594 2016-10-21T21:46:16  <GitHub91> [bitcoin] paveljanik opened pull request #8993: Trivial: Fix doxygen comment: the transaction is returned in txOut (master...20161021_fix_GetTransaction_comment) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8993
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