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  5 2017-04-22T00:40:42  <sipa> gmaxwell: i'm sure that no matter how it is formulated, some people will misread it
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 16 2017-04-22T01:11:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jimmysong opened pull request #10256: [test] Add gettxout call to wallet.py (master...test_gettxout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10256
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 22 2017-04-22T01:26:32  <achow101> I made dummy github user non-github-bitcoin (https://github.com/non-github-bitcoin) to account for the commits made by the people who committed but don't have github accounts. right now it has sirius-m (github removed it from saracen to allow me to add that account) and lasloh. I'll be asking github to also let me add s_nakamoto which is currently under invalid-email-address. I think it would be prudent to give the repo maintainers
 23 2017-04-22T01:26:32  <achow101> control of the account, so how should I go about doing that?
 24 2017-04-22T01:32:35  <gmaxwell> achow101: sounds great.
 25 2017-04-22T01:33:17  <gmaxwell> achow101: maybe the best way would be to get wumpus to forward you his prior communication with github on it?
 26 2017-04-22T01:38:43  <achow101> gmaxwell: I think github will let me assign satoshi's email to that account as they allowed me to do that for sirius's.
 27 2017-04-22T01:39:16  <achow101> the question now is how I should securely hand over the account to wumpus and other maintainers.
 28 2017-04-22T01:39:37  <gmaxwell> achow101: ask wumpus if he's willing to take it (he will be) then send him the password in gpg email.
 29 2017-04-22T01:40:32  <achow101> yeah, I figured that's how it would work. just waiting for a response to my pm
 30 2017-04-22T01:41:20  <gmaxwell> Sat Apr 22 01:41:19 UTC 2017
 31 2017-04-22T01:41:34  <gmaxwell> expect one in 6 hours or so.
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 34 2017-04-22T02:08:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jimmysong opened pull request #10257: [test] Add test for getmemoryinfo (master...test_getmemoryinfo) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10257
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 43 2017-04-22T03:23:37  <midnightmagic> sigh.  Or maybe Github could just fix the bug instead of making us work around their crappy design.
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 58 2017-04-22T05:24:11  <wumpus> midnightmagic: yes - what happened to 'confirm your email' kind of setup
 59 2017-04-22T05:24:26  <wumpus> achow101: sure, thanks for doing that
 60 2017-04-22T05:24:46  <gmaxwell> well you can't confirm those emails, they contain no dot.
 61 2017-04-22T05:25:06  <wumpus> gmaxwell: that's my point, if you used an invalid mail you probably shouldn't be able to claim credit for it
 62 2017-04-22T05:25:50  <wumpus> e.g. being able to add arbitrary mail addresses to your account so they show up as you is a broken system
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 66 2017-04-22T05:30:47  <gmaxwell> I'm sure the issue is that anything imported from SVN is like that... so you've got lots of repos where people complain they can't get credit...
 67 2017-04-22T05:31:05  <wumpus> the burden on proof should be on them
 68 2017-04-22T05:31:08  <gmaxwell> thats why we can't trust them to retain the fix... any time it's fixed more people complain they can't take credit for their own commits.
 69 2017-04-22T05:31:28  <gmaxwell> and then the 'fix' that, because github isn't about security or integrity in any form, it's a freeking web repository. :P
 70 2017-04-22T05:32:17  <gmaxwell> (I agree with you it's dumb, but we're expecting too much from github... or another way of looking at it: we're getting pretty much exactly what we pay for. :) )
 71 2017-04-22T05:32:56  <wumpus> there's other ways, they could also have added a form for the person doing the SVN import to fill in a name to user/real_email mapping
 72 2017-04-22T05:33:09  <wumpus> or at least the owner of the repo
 73 2017-04-22T05:33:46  <gmaxwell> yea, or at least require the parties be repo members, so you could just kick out anyone who misused it.
 74 2017-04-22T05:33:56  <gmaxwell> but that would be like.. good. worse is better, or something.
 75 2017-04-22T05:33:57  <wumpus> I have a paid github account
 76 2017-04-22T05:34:07  <gmaxwell> wumpus: still, it's not like it's expensive. :)
 77 2017-04-22T05:34:39  <gmaxwell> we probably use more in bandwidth alone than the cost of a couple paid accounts.
 78 2017-04-22T05:34:44  <wumpus> that's true. I doubt I pay fairly for the share of bandwidth and CPU load I cause to them :)
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 95 2017-04-22T07:29:52  <wumpus> huh blockchain.info's pushtx doesn't accept transactions generated with bitcoind, "Not accepting transaction version 2"
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108 2017-04-22T07:59:20  <wumpus> luke-jr: -knots sigs up, I think I even submitted it to the right repository (lost in a maze of gitian.sigs folders)
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137 2017-04-22T10:09:00  <SopaXorzTaker> Is there a pushtx service that would accept a non-standard TX?
138 2017-04-22T10:09:13  <SopaXorzTaker> I really need spend a P2SH puzzle
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140 2017-04-22T11:01:01  <sipa> SopaXorzTaker: in p2sh? what's nonstandard about it?
141 2017-04-22T11:01:22  <sipa> i can't help you with getting it confirmed, but i wonder what you're trying to do
142 2017-04-22T11:03:56  <SopaXorzTaker> not really P2SH
143 2017-04-22T11:04:01  <SopaXorzTaker> but spending a script
144 2017-04-22T11:04:12  <SopaXorzTaker> and the TX is in the P2SH spend format
145 2017-04-22T11:07:10  <sipa> i would suggest doing it as real P2SH
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148 2017-04-22T11:24:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Mikerah opened pull request #10258: Fixed typo in documentation for merkleblock.h (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10258
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152 2017-04-22T11:42:06  <SopaXorzTaker> Guys, just a quick question
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154 2017-04-22T11:42:23  <SopaXorzTaker> I started writing my own cryptocurrency from scratch to understand how stuff works
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156 2017-04-22T11:43:03  <SopaXorzTaker> Though I can't understand why the transaction inputs reference the TXID only
157 2017-04-22T11:43:23  <SopaXorzTaker> if they referenced the block where that TX is, the nodes could be much faster
158 2017-04-22T11:43:25  <SopaXorzTaker> or not?
159 2017-04-22T11:43:44  <SopaXorzTaker> Also, why does PoW hash only the block header, not the entire block?
160 2017-04-22T11:44:21  <sipa> SopaXorzTaker: altcoins are offtopic here
161 2017-04-22T11:44:37  <SopaXorzTaker> sipa, this is not about altcoins
162 2017-04-22T11:44:45  <sipa> 11:42:23 < SopaXorzTaker> I started writing my own cryptocurrency from scratch to understand how stuff works
163 2017-04-22T11:44:52  <SopaXorzTaker> I am asking about the motivation of some Bitcoin design choices
164 2017-04-22T11:45:17  <sipa> ok, you can't reference the block a tx was in, because you don't necessarily know that when creating a transaction
165 2017-04-22T11:45:38  <sipa> also, it's unneeded, we don't go look at the actual block an outputs was spent in, just in the UTXO database which is indexed... by txid
166 2017-04-22T11:46:31  <SopaXorzTaker> hm
167 2017-04-22T11:46:42  <sipa> if you have more questions like this in the future, please go to bitcoin.stackexchange.com... i'll gladly answer there
168 2017-04-22T11:46:53  <wumpus> this channel is about development of the bitcoin core code base, nothing else
169 2017-04-22T11:47:26  <SopaXorzTaker> uh
170 2017-04-22T11:47:55  <SopaXorzTaker> sipa, a question related to the bitcoin core: is the UTXO database initialized when loading the blockchain?
171 2017-04-22T11:47:57  <wumpus> there are tons of other channels, don't keep bothering this one
172 2017-04-22T11:48:35  <sipa> SopaXorzTaker: bitcoin.stackexchange.com
173 2017-04-22T11:48:59  <sipa> you're annoying everyone who tries to following the development discussions in this channel
174 2017-04-22T11:49:26  <SopaXorzTaker> I mean, is it like forEach(block){forEach(block.transaction){utxo.remove(block.transaction.input);utxo.add(block.transaction.output);}}
175 2017-04-22T11:49:32  <sipa> SopaXorzTaker: last warning
176 2017-04-22T11:50:00  <SopaXorzTaker> sipa, I have to disagree. The question I asked *is* about the Bitcoin Core
177 2017-04-22T11:50:14  <sipa> SopaXorzTaker: yes so?
178 2017-04-22T11:50:27  <sipa> this channel is aboit development of bitcoin-core
179 2017-04-22T11:50:29  <SopaXorzTaker> So I assumed that I can ask it here.
180 2017-04-22T11:50:38  <sipa> not about guiding noobies
181 2017-04-22T11:50:47  <SopaXorzTaker> Oh, so this channel is only for discussion of actual development?
182 2017-04-22T11:50:52  <wumpus> just ask these things in #bitcoin okay - more people that can answer, or use the stack overflow
183 2017-04-22T11:50:54  <wumpus> yes
184 2017-04-22T11:50:56  <SopaXorzTaker> my apologies for misunderstanding that
185 2017-04-22T11:51:05  <wumpus> channel topic: Bitcoin Core development discussion and commit log | This is the channel for developing Bitcoin Core. Feel free to watch, but please take commentary and usage questions to #bitcoin | Channel logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev, http://www.erisian.com.au/bitcoin-core-dev/
186 2017-04-22T11:51:18  <sipa> i promise i'll personally try to answer your questions on https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com
187 2017-04-22T11:51:30  <SopaXorzTaker> thanks sipa
188 2017-04-22T11:51:40  <SopaXorzTaker> okay, I am asking my next questions there
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191 2017-04-22T11:51:50  <sipa> thanks
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202 2017-04-22T13:41:14  <sipa> wumpus: w00t 0.14.1
203 2017-04-22T13:43:24  <da2ce7> :)
204 2017-04-22T13:44:28  <wumpus> sipa: yeah!
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207 2017-04-22T14:05:33  <BashCo> getting a 403 on the torrent file? https://bitcoin.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.14.1/bitcoin-0.14.1.torrent
208 2017-04-22T14:06:32  <wumpus> let me see, I had to manually upload it
209 2017-04-22T14:07:01  <wumpus> should be accessible now, thanks for reporting
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211 2017-04-22T14:07:44  <BashCo> yep, got it. thanks.
212 2017-04-22T14:12:09  <Lauda> Github says 0.14.0 is latest release
213 2017-04-22T14:14:00  <wumpus> gah, another thing to update
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216 2017-04-22T14:19:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f8feaa4636260b599294c7285bcf1c8b7737f74e
217 2017-04-22T14:19:27  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f8feaa4 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Add historical release notes for 0.14.1
218 2017-04-22T14:22:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.14: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f2a96e7d0289682eb87877a3528cb6a170f8b786
219 2017-04-22T14:22:35  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.14 f2a96e7 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: clean out release notes
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227 2017-04-22T15:13:23  <jtimon_> should I reduce the scope of #8855 ?
228 2017-04-22T15:13:25  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/8855 | Use a proper factory for creating chainparams by jtimon · Pull Request #8855 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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266 2017-04-22T19:39:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli closed pull request #10254: [Qt] Remove shutdown poll timer and replace it with a signal (master...2017/04/qt_shutdown) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10254
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