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119 2017-10-20T11:13:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipsorcery closed pull request #11528: Minimal code changes to allow msvc compilation (master...code_msvc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11528
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148 2017-10-20T12:10:52  <wallet42> @sipa: can we imagine a -utxomove option where coins get renamed to s[txid][nout] instead of deleting them from chainstate? Ideally also append the spend block height to the value. It would allow a lot of my analysis to not require a second database.
149 2017-10-20T12:11:39  <wallet42> or maybe call it -stxodb=1
150 2017-10-20T12:13:05  <sdaftuar> wallet42: that sounds interesting, but would be terrible for performance -- it would prevent an optimization we currently do where coins that are created in our memory cache, which are fully spent, never need a disk access
151 2017-10-20T12:13:16  <sdaftuar> wallet42: so i wouldn't expect that to be something we implement in the repo
152 2017-10-20T12:13:54  <wallet42> interesting..
153 2017-10-20T12:14:49  <wallet42> we'll it's obviously not for general consuption
154 2017-10-20T12:15:31  <wallet42> also maybe having another leveldb where these spend coins are stored instead of bloating the chainstate db
155 2017-10-20T12:18:49  <wallet42> sdaftuar: what's you estimate for manhours for someone who is familiar with the code for such a change?
156 2017-10-20T12:23:59  <sdaftuar> wallet42: no idea, sorry
157 2017-10-20T12:25:56  <wumpus> i wouldn't expect that to be upstreamed, but yeah you can do the patch for yourself, for better or worse lots of analysis is easiest to do by changing the node code
158 2017-10-20T12:25:56  <sipa> wallet42: i'd rather spend time on creating a project that implements tgat as a separate process than trying to hack it into bitcoind
159 2017-10-20T12:27:29  <wallet42> so how to approach this, zmq block only works after IBD
160 2017-10-20T12:27:47  <wallet42> i would love to not have to much duplicate data
161 2017-10-20T12:28:36  <wumpus> it's a one line change to make zmq notifications work before IBD
162 2017-10-20T12:29:11  <wumpus> certainly faster than hacking how the database works...
163 2017-10-20T12:29:35  <sipa> wallet42: i'd make a python project that uses basic p2p implementation
164 2017-10-20T12:30:16  <wallet42> will bitcoind then wait with processing the blocks and publishing to zmq when a buffer is full?
165 2017-10-20T12:30:55  <wallet42> so get multiple blocks in binary via INV from a local node
166 2017-10-20T12:31:10  <sipa> if your bitcoind is pruned, there is no duplication
167 2017-10-20T12:31:56  <sipa> with manual pruning you can inform bitcoind when you're ready processing a block
168 2017-10-20T12:32:43  <wumpus> no, bitcoind will never block on zmq notifications
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170 2017-10-20T12:33:13  <wumpus> adding that wouldn't be too difficult either if zmq supports it
171 2017-10-20T12:33:15  <wallet42> wumpus: python will much slower to process blocks than bitcoind
172 2017-10-20T12:33:40  <wumpus> pypy is nice
173 2017-10-20T12:34:08  <wallet42> sipa: what about an rpc that i can use to query the blockindex and then access the *.blk files ondisk?
174 2017-10-20T12:34:39  <wumpus> and python is much more flexible as to formulating queries and analysis etc then hardcoding things into c++
175 2017-10-20T12:34:48  <wallet42> wumpus: love pypy, unfortunatly wasn't able to compile leveldb bindings for pypy3.6
176 2017-10-20T12:35:14  <wumpus> then don't use leveldb
177 2017-10-20T12:35:54  <wumpus> wallet42: you can look at contrib/linearize, it pretty much does that, though not through an RPC
178 2017-10-20T12:36:12  <wumpus> it builds its own mapping from block hash to location on disk
179 2017-10-20T12:37:00  <wumpus> it only uses rpc to get the list of block hashes that is the current chain
180 2017-10-20T12:37:04  <sipa> wallet42: you can use the rest interface to request blocks in binary
181 2017-10-20T12:37:09  <sipa> probably faster than rpc
182 2017-10-20T12:37:17  <sipa> p2p protocol is probably even faster
183 2017-10-20T12:38:21  <wumpus> that, too, though there's still a deserialize/serialize involved in that case, in principle rest could send the data directly from disk but it doesn't
184 2017-10-20T12:38:56  <wallet42> sendfile linux?
185 2017-10-20T12:39:25  <wumpus> maybe
186 2017-10-20T12:39:51  <wallet42> okay thanks for the pointers!
187 2017-10-20T12:40:23  <wumpus> in any case, usually optimization work is wasted if all you do is a one-time analysis
188 2017-10-20T12:40:30  <wumpus> just use a big machine
189 2017-10-20T12:41:06  <wumpus> hw is cheap custom software is not
190 2017-10-20T12:42:05  <wallet42> i want to build a in-memory blockchain database. instead of 1 big machine, have multiple machines indexed different parts of the chain
191 2017-10-20T12:42:15  <wallet42> clusterdb
192 2017-10-20T12:44:40  <wallet42> then have a map/reduce approach to queries
193 2017-10-20T12:45:54  <wumpus> it's a pity bitcoin's block chain is so easy to analyse isn't it
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204 2017-10-20T13:37:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] zastil opened pull request #11532: 0.15 (master...0.15) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11532
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206 2017-10-20T13:37:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #11532: 0.15 (master...0.15) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11532
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212 2017-10-20T14:07:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Thoragh opened pull request #11533: Docs: Update WSL installation for Fall Creators update (master...Update-WSL-installation-for-Fall-Creators-update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11533
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214 2017-10-20T14:21:51  <sdaftuar> ;;tblb 3600
215 2017-10-20T14:21:52  <gribble> The expected time between blocks taking 1 hour and 0 seconds to generate is 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes, and 14 seconds
216 2017-10-20T14:22:16  <sdaftuar> ;;tblb 7200
217 2017-10-20T14:22:17  <gribble> The expected time between blocks taking 2 hours and 0 seconds to generate is 51 years, 15 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 13 minutes, and 38 seconds
218 2017-10-20T14:32:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #11534: Evict outbound peers if tip is stale (master...2017-10-stale-tip-eviction) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11534
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240 2017-10-20T15:33:00  <PatBoy> thx to all your great work guys ! (sry for writing spam here)
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258 2017-10-20T16:23:11  <wumpus> *cries* more travis failures on master
259 2017-10-20T16:23:15  <wumpus> "Please upgrade to at least gpg 2.1.10 to check for weak signatures"
260 2017-10-20T16:23:28  <wumpus> https://travis-ci.org/bitcoin/bitcoin/jobs/290513926
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270 2017-10-20T16:44:20  <cfields> wtf, that was working yesterday
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273 2017-10-20T16:53:57  <wumpus> it was!
274 2017-10-20T16:54:02  <wumpus> we did nothing wrong
275 2017-10-20T16:57:36  <wumpus> they should stop messing with their infrastructure, it's getting annoyging
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277 2017-10-20T17:04:22  <cfields> wumpus: ah, that doesn't happen on PRs, only pushes
278 2017-10-20T17:04:51  <cfields> I assume the switch to minimal did this. They must've had a gpg ppa in the bigger image
279 2017-10-20T17:09:07  <cfields> trying to find a fix
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285 2017-10-20T17:23:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #11535: test: Avoid unintentional unsigned integer wraparounds (master...unsigned-integer-wraparounds) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11535
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296 2017-10-20T18:09:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ryanofsky opened pull request #11536: Rename account to label where appropriate (master...pr/acct) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11536
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301 2017-10-20T18:19:35  <achow101> we should stop using travis *ducks*
302 2017-10-20T18:21:14  <karelb> Travis is getting very unreliable recently
303 2017-10-20T18:21:25  <karelb> But you get what you pay for :)
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305 2017-10-20T18:24:04  <wumpus> we'd pay for better travis support if it was possible!
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307 2017-10-20T18:26:23  <wumpus> however there's no paid option for open source projects
308 2017-10-20T18:27:52  <karelb> Oh :(
309 2017-10-20T18:28:01  <karelb> That's unfortunate
310 2017-10-20T18:29:00  <cfields> wumpus: i have a ticket open atm about my suspended account (suspected of mining, i assume). I'll ask again when I hear back.
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313 2017-10-20T18:33:00  <wumpus> cfields: thanks, hopefully they'll resolve that any time soon. mining. lol
314 2017-10-20T18:33:40  <cfields> wumpus: i assume the recent monero js mining stuff has made things difficult for them :(
315 2017-10-20T18:36:37  <achow101> what does "language: minimal" mean? I can't seem to find docs about it
316 2017-10-20T18:37:01  <cfields> achow101: it just selects their most minimal base image
317 2017-10-20T18:37:16  <achow101> oh
318 2017-10-20T18:37:25  <cfields> i can't find wtf a usable gnupg2 is installed on the big generic image, though :\
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321 2017-10-20T18:50:19  <wumpus> it makes no sense
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323 2017-10-20T18:58:58  <arubi> last time I tried tracking these things, I ended up in https://quay.io/organization/travisci .  most updated seems to be te-main, you can follow tag -> sha of specific commit -> packages to see versions and stuff.  eventually I ended up using their docker infrastructure to just run vanilla docker images
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327 2017-10-20T19:27:25  <cfields> wumpus: wait, i can actually reproduce the error locally
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336 2017-10-20T20:03:32  <cfields> ah, jeez
337 2017-10-20T20:03:39  <cfields> so many red herrings
338 2017-10-20T20:04:20  <cfields> one of sipa's old keys expired last night
339 2017-10-20T20:04:34  <cfields> and verify-commit doesn't play nice with that
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342 2017-10-20T20:05:28  <BlueMatt> argh
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344 2017-10-20T20:06:47  <cfields> BlueMatt: for travis, i think we can just verify the commit range rather than the whole branch?
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347 2017-10-20T20:07:19  <cfields> that would solve this issue at least
348 2017-10-20T20:07:32  <BlueMatt> no
349 2017-10-20T20:07:42  <BlueMatt> if verify-commits is broken, master needs to be force-pushed
350 2017-10-20T20:07:47  <cfields> oh wait nm, these aren't PRs
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352 2017-10-20T20:07:52  <BlueMatt> thats kinda the whole point
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354 2017-10-20T20:08:15  <BlueMatt> if a key is expired, however, you can just un-expire the key
355 2017-10-20T20:08:20  <BlueMatt> and then verify-commits will magically work again
356 2017-10-20T20:11:59  <BlueMatt> ohoh, its a super old commit
357 2017-10-20T20:12:01  <BlueMatt> lemme look
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360 2017-10-20T20:13:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sdaftuar opened pull request #11538: qa: Fix replace-by-fee race condition failures (master...2017-10-fix-rbf-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11538
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372 2017-10-20T20:36:02  <BlueMatt> cfields: v
373 2017-10-20T20:36:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #11539: [verify-commits] Allow revoked keys to expire (master...2017-10-verify-regsig-expsig) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11539
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375 2017-10-20T20:51:17  <cfields> BlueMatt: i'm confused. I get different strings out of gpg
376 2017-10-20T20:51:40  <cfields> (looking at git verify-commit --raw <sha>)
377 2017-10-20T20:52:01  <cfields> i see KEYREVOKED/KEYEXPIRED/SIGEXPIRED
378 2017-10-20T20:52:48  <cfields> oh wait, REVKEYSIG/EXPKEYSIG take the place of VALIDSIG
379 2017-10-20T20:53:04  <BlueMatt> no they dont?
380 2017-10-20T20:54:00  <cfields> ok then confused. Could you paste your output of verify-commit --raw ?
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382 2017-10-20T20:54:29  <BlueMatt> cfields: you should get a VALIDSIG line AND a REGKEYSIG/EXPKEYSIG line, you will however, not get a GOODSIG line (which is what git wants to see)
383 2017-10-20T20:55:50  <cfields> ok, gotcha
384 2017-10-20T20:56:31  <BlueMatt> are you getting confused between the --weak-digest sha1 pass and the one missing it?
385 2017-10-20T20:57:07  <cfields> no, i'm good. I was thinking different gpg versions might use different terms.
386 2017-10-20T20:57:40  <cfields> i was just missing the EXPKEYSIG output, only saw "KEYEXPIRED"
387 2017-10-20T20:58:43  <BlueMatt> ah, k
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