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 36 2017-11-05T04:26:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MeshCollider opened pull request #11610: Update release notes for 0.15.1 (0.15...201711_releasenotes0151) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11610
 37 2017-11-05T04:37:19  <meshcollider> ryanofsky: you should add the script from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11592#pullrequestreview-73922693 to contrib/devtools/ IMO
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 48 2017-11-05T06:19:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #11611: [build] Don't fail when passed --disable-lcov and lcov isn't available (master...dontfaillcov) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11611
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 64 2017-11-05T08:50:35  <wumpus> whoa meshcollider achow101 fanquake michagogo cfields and anyone I forgot thanks for gitian building so quickly
 65 2017-11-05T09:00:15  <fanquake> Yea I think we had a few new contributors.
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 68 2017-11-05T09:17:54  <wumpus> wampy and sjors :)
 69 2017-11-05T09:18:07  <wumpus> I think we've seen wampy before
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 73 2017-11-05T09:43:49  <fanquake> Yes I think so
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109 2017-11-05T13:16:48  <wumpus> heh someone sent me a peers.dat that crashes 0.15.0, turns out the problem is already solved in 0.15.1, that's awesome
110 2017-11-05T13:20:45  <instagibbs> wumpus, I feel like this issue must have started recently, ran into it during core dev SF, and multiple incidents from others since then
111 2017-11-05T13:21:26  <instagibbs> oh i guess 0.15 eh
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113 2017-11-05T13:22:10  <meshcollider> wumpus: cool yeah, is that because of #11252 backport
114 2017-11-05T13:22:22  <meshcollider> #11252
115 2017-11-05T13:22:23  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11252 | [P2P] When clearing addrman clear mapInfo and mapAddr. by instagibbs · Pull Request #11252 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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123 2017-11-05T13:31:18  <wumpus> instagibbs: I guess it still doesn't explain why the file gets corrupted, but not crashing is good, thanks for the fix :)
124 2017-11-05T13:31:47  <instagibbs> right, mine was specifically running out of battery, but others seems not the case
125 2017-11-05T13:34:35  <wumpus> oh indeed it might be something like truncating while writing due to unclean exit
126 2017-11-05T13:36:20  <wumpus> more robustly it would write to peers.dat.tmp and then do an atomic rename when finished
127 2017-11-05T13:37:52  <wumpus> we did a similar thing with the auth cookie
128 2017-11-05T13:38:05  <wumpus> (though for a different reason)
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133 2017-11-05T14:03:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.15: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/2ce9e586d5b11e1f61af4db27b7326687d5e5124
134 2017-11-05T14:03:07  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 2ce9e58 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Fill in 0.15.1 changelog and authors in release notes...
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160 2017-11-05T16:05:29  <wxss> the Windows binaries are still signed by The Bitcoin Foundation, Inc. -- that is kinda gross
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163 2017-11-05T16:12:39  <wumpus> yeah... working on that
164 2017-11-05T16:13:09  <wumpus> it's a lot of paperwork though
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166 2017-11-05T16:13:57  <wumpus> OS code signing is always a problem for open source projects as they're not released by a company
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171 2017-11-05T16:27:22  <MarcoFalke> I recall the key will expire soon, no?
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174 2017-11-05T16:31:38  <Sentineo> wumpus: in that case do some dev guys have to do that work as a person(not company)? Or the open source project figures as an entity?
175 2017-11-05T16:33:24  <wumpus> Sentineo: the problem is that they don't recognize an open source project as entity (because it isn't really one) - I'm sure I could get a signing key for my company, or have one of the well-known companies in the space provide a signing key, it's not like we lack options, but whoever signs it is going to raise questions.
176 2017-11-05T16:34:19  <Sentineo> right
177 2017-11-05T16:34:35  <Sentineo> human nature, nothing is enough ;)
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179 2017-11-05T16:34:42  <Sentineo> ty
180 2017-11-05T16:35:05  <LumberCartel> wxss:  What's the problem with The Bitcoin Foundation, Inc.?
181 2017-11-05T16:35:58  <wumpus> Sentineo: yeah it's a political issue, not a technical one, so much harder. If only OSes supported decentralized signing e.g. gitian builds.
182 2017-11-05T16:36:28  <wumpus> LumberCartel wxss please take the fight about TBF outside :)
183 2017-11-05T16:37:24  <LumberCartel> wumpus:  Sorry, I was asking a genuine question -- I wasn't aware that there's a problem there.
184 2017-11-05T16:39:01  <Sentineo> wumpus: that would be nice, but gitian build looks pretty complicated. in my todolist to try it out though. It is the best way of ensuring the code one runs.
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186 2017-11-05T16:39:49  <wumpus> LumberCartel: let's say the bitcoin foundation has a checkered reputation, there's been so much drama about it. But it's off topic here, #bitcoin would be a better place to discuss.
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188 2017-11-05T16:40:20  <sipa> also, none of the people currently involved with bitcoin core development are working for the foundation anymore
189 2017-11-05T16:40:32  <achow101> wumpus: have blockstream sign it :p
190 2017-11-05T16:40:45  <sipa> ignoring any political drama, that on itself should be sufficient reason i think
191 2017-11-05T16:41:49  <wumpus> sipa: that's true, though maybe it's not necessary for anyone to work for them to act as a neutral trusted signee, except that they're not that :)
192 2017-11-05T16:41:58  <LumberCartel> wumpus:  Okay, thanks.  If there is a need to start a company, or a non-profit society, I can certainly help with getting that started from here in Canada as I'm quite familiar with the process here.  I'm willing to help with that even if it's an enttity whose sole purpose is to satisfy OS code
193 2017-11-05T16:42:03  <wumpus> achow101: I was waiting for that one
194 2017-11-05T16:42:13  <sipa> wumpus: fair
195 2017-11-05T16:42:21  <LumberCartel> I'll just leave it at that.
196 2017-11-05T16:42:25  <LumberCartel> signing requirements.
197 2017-11-05T16:43:53  <wumpus> LumberCartel: thanks!
198 2017-11-05T16:44:36  <wumpus> LumberCartel: yes, some kind of very formal setup would be best - an organization whose sole purpose is to sign the executables when a certain gitian builder threhold is reached
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200 2017-11-05T16:44:55  <LumberCartel> wumpus:  You're welcome.  Those kinds of conditions can be specified in the mandate before the organization is started.
201 2017-11-05T16:45:42  <LumberCartel> wumpus:  There would be a need for an AGM with an election for who are the directors.  I can even help with setting this up without having to be a director myself -- the elected directors would have the control.
202 2017-11-05T16:46:23  <LumberCartel> wumpus:  The fees aren't very high, and I could find out what's all required if people here are in agreement with going ahead with this.
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204 2017-11-05T16:49:52  <LumberCartel> wumpus:  Just in case you want to know how to contact me (e.g., while I'm not on IRC), my real name is Randolf and my details are on my web site, here:  https://www.randolfrichardson.com/contact/
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206 2017-11-05T16:57:19  <wxss> wumpus: maybe nChain/CSW could sign the executables with the private key of the genesis block, that should solve a lot of problems at once
207 2017-11-05T16:58:16  <wumpus> LumberCartel: okay!
208 2017-11-05T16:59:34  <wumpus> wxss: lol, yes but it would be only verifyiable on laptops that he provides :p
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216 2017-11-05T17:42:51  <jl2012> wumpus: "factory sealed laptop!"
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221 2017-11-05T17:54:42  <Blackcode> Hi friends, watch this video on youtube, I just tried it and it's really perfect. https://youtu.be/UEm0f1PihWo Send me a message in private, and I send you the password and activation key for free.
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225 2017-11-05T18:00:21  <Danini_> Hi friends, watch this video on youtube, I just tried it and it's really perfect. https://youtu.be/UEm0f1PihWo Send me a message in private, and I send you the password and activation key for free.
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233 2017-11-05T18:25:24  <promag> omg ^
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237 2017-11-05T18:39:49  <analiser> if bitcoin-cli move and accounts are deprecated how should i identify users ? only by address?
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242 2017-11-05T18:59:38  <wumpus> analiser: you can still use labels, there are just no balances anymore
243 2017-11-05T19:00:09  <wumpus> but a label can still mark a group of addresses, say, the receiving addresses of a user
244 2017-11-05T19:00:26  <analiser> cool i will read about it
245 2017-11-05T19:00:46  <analiser> tk is hard find the right way to off-block-chain transaction
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250 2017-11-05T19:05:26  <dongcarl> w/re #9195, would it make sense to write out a BNF/EBNF representation of the RPC-console language for documentation? (starting with single RPC commands first then describing things that are in #7783 (nested commands and simple value queries))?
251 2017-11-05T19:05:27  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9195 | Debug console needs a little documentation on usage · Issue #9195 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
252 2017-11-05T19:05:29  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/7783 | [Qt] RPC-Console: support nested commands and simple value queries by jonasschnelli · Pull Request #7783 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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258 2017-11-05T19:13:36  <wumpus> dongcarl: yes, something like that could probably be helpful
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263 2017-11-05T19:21:58  <analiser> wumpus, bitcoin-cli getnewaddress "test" this you mean by labels?
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265 2017-11-05T19:31:57  <dongcarl> wumpus: would it make more sense to write a YACC file or a BNF/EBNF representation? I think perhaps more value would be added if the representation could be used in parsing/validating/etc.
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274 2017-11-05T20:03:38  <analiser> should we still use (bitcoin-cli move "label1" "label2" amount) to move off-chain funds between labels?
275 2017-11-05T20:03:54  <analiser> just ask because seems deprecated
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293 2017-11-05T20:12:16  <wumpus> no, labels don't contain funds
294 2017-11-05T20:12:40  <wumpus> they are just a tag to group one or more addresses
295 2017-11-05T20:12:46  <analiser> work great on v13
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297 2017-11-05T20:13:26  <analiser> i dont disturb you guys anymore tk for your time i will try find more documentation
298 2017-11-05T20:14:17  <wumpus> it works on 0.13 because 0.13 (and 0.15) still have the account system. But that's going away, there is no concept of 'off chain funds' or balances anymore.
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300 2017-11-05T20:14:58  <analiser> where i can find documentation because im working on site and this is critical
301 2017-11-05T20:16:07  <analiser> about sysmbolic moving funds between labels
302 2017-11-05T20:16:36  <wumpus> labels *have no funds*
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304 2017-11-05T20:16:59  <wumpus> for the last time, they are just a convenient tag for addresses, they are not accounts and do not have balances
305 2017-11-05T20:17:01  <analiser> i know but address inside labels yes
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325 2017-11-05T21:46:41  <jijojohn> hello
326 2017-11-05T21:46:52  <jijojohn> how can i create a bitcoin wallet app...
327 2017-11-05T21:47:44  <jijojohn> do you guys have any resources on bitcoin wallet development ?
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336 2017-11-05T21:53:13  <wxss> jijojohn: try #bitcoin or #bitcoin-dev, this channel is for dev of Bitcoin Core
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345 2017-11-05T22:05:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2f959a58744d...0cc98763919a
346 2017-11-05T22:05:39  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 41b15cf Sjors Provoost: Add sjors gitian key
347 2017-11-05T22:05:39  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0cc9876 Jonas Schnelli: Merge #11607: Add Gitian PGP key: Sjors...
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