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 10 2017-11-06T00:38:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] astanway opened pull request #11614: ZMQ: Add decodedtx topic for JSON tx publishing (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11614
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139 2017-11-06T08:46:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11610: [0.15] Update release notes for 0.15.1 (0.15...201711_releasenotes0151) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11610
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157 2017-11-06T10:30:18  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0cc98763919a...0e707919f596
158 2017-11-06T10:30:18  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 223a4aa fanquake: [build] Don't fail when passed --disable-lcov and lcov isn't available
159 2017-11-06T10:30:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0e70791 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11611: [build] Don't fail when passed --disable-lcov and lcov isn't available...
160 2017-11-06T10:30:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11611: [build] Don't fail when passed --disable-lcov and lcov isn't available (master...dontfaillcov) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11611
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167 2017-11-06T11:37:08  <andre1> I started downloading the bitcoin core wallet since a couple of days and although I realize this might have been asked many times before I could find the answer on the web. Why does the download start in 2009 and works its way to today and not the other way round start with today and work back to 2009?
168 2017-11-06T11:40:56  <Sentineo> andre1: this is the core dev channel, discussions are about developement and code. Can you please repaste that question to #bitcoin? I will answer there.
169 2017-11-06T11:41:12  <andre1> sorry ok thanks will do
170 2017-11-06T11:41:18  <Sentineo> no problem
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177 2017-11-06T12:17:24  <fanquake> Looks like a bit of mess to sort out with OpenSSL? Can't wait until it's gone..
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179 2017-11-06T12:41:36  <wumpus> fanquake: same sentiment here...
180 2017-11-06T12:41:56  <wumpus> I went from mildly opposed to actively hostile toward OpenSSL
181 2017-11-06T12:42:34  <luke-jr> what's going on with OpenSSL this time? :/
182 2017-11-06T12:43:36  <fanquake> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11602
183 2017-11-06T12:44:51  <luke-jr> oh, that
184 2017-11-06T12:46:47  <wumpus> another random non-backward-compatible API change - and this one is pretty dangerous, a fix for newer versions would actively break threading support with older versions
185 2017-11-06T12:47:29  <wumpus> this is a really bad place to be in with a critical library
186 2017-11-06T12:48:28  <luke-jr> yes, just I've gotten used to complaints of OpenSSL indicating a critical security problem XD
187 2017-11-06T12:50:07  <Sentineo> I heard openssl will be abandoned fully, right?
188 2017-11-06T12:50:09  <wumpus> at least happy we link openssl statically
189 2017-11-06T12:50:10  <Sentineo> I mean in core
190 2017-11-06T12:50:41  <wumpus> we need it in the GUI, but for the rest it should be ditched completely yes
191 2017-11-06T12:51:01  <wumpus> pretty far along already
192 2017-11-06T12:52:07  <wumpus> IIRC it's only randomness that's left used for, and maybe some tests
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194 2017-11-06T12:58:08  <Sentineo> cool
195 2017-11-06T12:58:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] vivganes opened pull request #11619: Docs: Replace project with product in README (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11619
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227 2017-11-06T14:34:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #11621: [build] Add temp_bitcoin_locale_qrc to CLEANFILES to fix make distcheck (master...fix-osx-distcheck) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11621
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232 2017-11-06T15:05:28  <BlueMatt> wumpus: re: openssl can we just remove the payment protocol garbage?
233 2017-11-06T15:05:36  <BlueMatt> I mean at least rip out the cert-checking part of it
234 2017-11-06T15:05:52  <BlueMatt> its nonsense, and almost certainly provides a sense of security that it simply doesnt provide
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240 2017-11-06T15:21:43  <wumpus> BlueMatt: even if you do that you still can't get rid of openssl, as qt needs that for https
241 2017-11-06T15:22:16  <wumpus> BlueMatt: anyhow as soon as we don't use SSL anymore in core code, we can leave its initialization to qt
242 2017-11-06T15:22:20  <name> what does the GUI use https fpr?
243 2017-11-06T15:22:24  <name> *for
244 2017-11-06T15:22:35  <wumpus> name: for retrieving payment protocol URLs
245 2017-11-06T15:23:17  <wumpus> you'd really have to remove the entire payment protocol, and I'm not sure that's a good idea, at least announce its deprecation far in advance
246 2017-11-06T15:23:59  <BlueMatt> wumpus: ugh i forgot it fetches the descriptors
247 2017-11-06T15:24:01  <BlueMatt> man, fuck that thing
248 2017-11-06T15:24:35  <name> This is the BIP70 stuff?
249 2017-11-06T15:24:43  <wumpus> name: yes
250 2017-11-06T15:25:34  <wumpus> as preparation for (future or far future) deprecation we could add a compile option to build without BIP70 support
251 2017-11-06T15:25:52  <name> I wonder how much real-world usage the payment protocol feature has
252 2017-11-06T15:26:15  <wumpus> I've seen only bitpay use it, with android wallet
253 2017-11-06T15:26:41  <wumpus> that might be all real-world usage of it, in which case removing it from bitcoin core wouldn't affect anyone :)
254 2017-11-06T15:27:11  <name> someone always complains :)
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256 2017-11-06T15:28:42  <wumpus> very true
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258 2017-11-06T15:42:37  <StopAndDecrypt> https://pastebin.com/aXz3HsV1
259 2017-11-06T15:42:55  <StopAndDecrypt> i have 4 good peers but the new ones keep cycling out
260 2017-11-06T15:43:15  <StopAndDecrypt> anyone more experience able to touch on what this might be indicative of?
261 2017-11-06T15:43:38  <StopAndDecrypt> im running 0.15
262 2017-11-06T15:56:59  <kinlo> I did always like the payment protocol idea, it's usefull on bitpay and there are more wallets that support it, I'm using it on bread....
263 2017-11-06T15:59:57  <StopAndDecrypt> to clarify, all the new peers have no user agent name or details
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265 2017-11-06T16:01:20  <wumpus> kinlo: I like the idea as well, the problem is with the implementation
266 2017-11-06T16:01:23  <StopAndDecrypt> oh  im in the wrong channel, apologies
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268 2017-11-06T16:02:17  <wumpus> StopAndDecrypt: it's quite normal that some peers only connect shortly, doesn't need to be indicative of anything
269 2017-11-06T16:03:06  <kinlo> I can't talk about the implementation, haven't read it, but even if the core wallet would remove it from it's implementation, I think the standard shouldn't be deprecated
270 2017-11-06T16:03:21  <wumpus> kinlo: the foremost thing I like about payment request is that they have expiration dates, and the user never sees the address used, so it's possible for vendors to rotate keys and not worry too much about receiving payments on old addresses
271 2017-11-06T16:05:07  <kinlo> wumpus: I've discussed this with gavin when the protocol was designed, I like that too but I think it is a missed oportunity to supply a refund address from the client so merchants could refund easily.  But I guess that's a discussion we shouldn't be having here and now
272 2017-11-06T16:05:34  <wumpus> kinlo: how do you mean? an optional refund addres is also part of it
273 2017-11-06T16:05:36  <StopAndDecrypt> wumpus, it got all the way up to 160, and now i have 8 that arent disconnecting, but thanks
274 2017-11-06T16:05:52  <wumpus> kinlo: which is also a great idea
275 2017-11-06T16:06:12  <kinlo> wumpus: it is?  then ignore me, I'll have to reread the final specs, maybe my comments at the time might have made the final specs :)
276 2017-11-06T16:08:31  <wumpus> kinlo: so what I hate about it: - google protocol buffers - use of PKI certificate chains (lots of overhead in implementing this, especially on embedded hw) - needs fetching data over the web which pretty much mandates SSL in the wallet
277 2017-11-06T16:09:08  <wumpus> kinlo: yeah you probably just missed that part. I don't blame you.
278 2017-11-06T16:11:51  <kinlo> yeah, pki sucks but what's the alternative :)
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284 2017-11-06T16:21:18  <wumpus> again, I think the *idea* is great, of making it possible for the (hw) wallet to authenticate the vendor
285 2017-11-06T16:23:17  <sipa> my main concern with the payment protocol is that is has no guaranteed message delivery
286 2017-11-06T16:23:31  <sipa> the tx creator is allowed to just broadcast the tx
287 2017-11-06T16:24:01  <sipa> if it were required to just send the sign tx back to the merchant, it would guarantee reception
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289 2017-11-06T16:26:11  <wumpus> yes, although it supports sending the tx directly to the merchant, it's not required
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302 2017-11-06T17:28:53  <ccc> fuckfuck
303 2017-11-06T17:28:58  <ccc> everyone is a fucker?
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305 2017-11-06T17:29:12  <ccc> i hear giszmo is a fucker
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312 2017-11-06T17:48:30  <BlueMatt> #11524 could use a quick review-and-merge..
313 2017-11-06T17:48:32  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11524 | [net] De-duplicate connection eviction logic by tjps · Pull Request #11524 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
314 2017-11-06T17:49:47  <BlueMatt> jonasschnelli: can you take another look at 3716? I initially came to the same conclusion as you, but then changed my mind cause I was missing some context
315 2017-11-06T17:50:00  <BlueMatt> and it is the longest-still-open-pr by a pretty large margin :/
316 2017-11-06T17:50:06  <sipa> #3716
317 2017-11-06T17:50:07  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3716 | GUI: Receive: Remove option to reuse a previous address by luke-jr · Pull Request #3716 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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328 2017-11-06T18:17:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #11622: build: Add --disable-bip70 configure option (master...2017_11_bip70_disable) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11622
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370 2017-11-06T20:25:22  <achow101> what does libsecp use openssl for? (I just grepped for openssl and a bunch of things in secp showed up)
371 2017-11-06T20:25:32  <sipa> tests
372 2017-11-06T20:25:39  <sipa> it compares things with openssl, if available
373 2017-11-06T20:26:16  <achow101> ah ok
374 2017-11-06T20:28:04  <sipa> a long long time ago, libsecp256k1 relied on openssl's bignum library
375 2017-11-06T20:28:33  <sipa> (which was btw how we discovered the BN_sqr bug in OpenSSL)
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380 2017-11-06T20:33:33  <gmaxwell> achow101: the dependency is tests only and completely optional.
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