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792017-12-17T07:02:31 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] comradekingu opened pull request #11920: python â Python (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11920
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852017-12-17T07:28:16 <cluelessperson> bitcoin.org 's downloads are slow as balls
862017-12-17T07:28:18 <cluelessperson> why is that?
872017-12-17T07:36:05 <jonasschnelli> cluelessperson: use http://bitcoincore.org/bin/?
882017-12-17T07:39:23 <cluelessperson> jonasschnelli: thanks, but we should fix the first things users see
892017-12-17T07:44:00 <jonasschnelli> Download from http://bitcoin.org/ seems pretty fast on my end
902017-12-17T07:44:12 <cluelessperson> bitcoin.org is kinda infuriating
912017-12-17T07:44:19 <cluelessperson> needs a "download" link on the homepage
922017-12-17T07:45:01 <sipa> well bitcoin.org is not primarily about bitcoin core
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992017-12-17T08:02:58 <cluelessperson> I guess
1002017-12-17T08:03:09 <cluelessperson> sipa: I would still make it better
1012017-12-17T08:03:19 <cluelessperson> "choose your wallet" should be first thing
1022017-12-17T08:04:31 <sipa> cluelessperson: i'm sure people will appreciate help on https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org
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1132017-12-17T08:23:13 <cluelessperson> jesus christ
1142017-12-17T08:23:44 <cluelessperson> I'm looking at the Bitcoin Core UI and it needs serious revamping
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1172017-12-17T08:35:34 <cluelessperson> Who made this UI? I have recommendations
1182017-12-17T08:36:25 <Varunram> cluelessperson: bitcoin-qt?
1192017-12-17T08:36:46 <cluelessperson> yeah
1202017-12-17T08:38:26 <cluelessperson> The first thing on the receiving tab should be "Receiving Address: <ADDRESS>" "NEW"
1212017-12-17T08:38:52 <cluelessperson> This should be DUMB simple for braindead laymen to use, dead and center
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1232017-12-17T08:46:16 <fanquake> cluelessperson open a pull request with your recommended changes.
1242017-12-17T08:47:32 <cluelessperson> I'm sorry if I'm being insulting
1252017-12-17T08:47:36 <cluelessperson> fanquake: I don't know C++
1262017-12-17T08:47:41 <fanquake> There's no doubt the GUI could be more user-friendly, but there's a lack of people willing/able to do the work.
1272017-12-17T08:48:23 <fanquake> cluelessperson If you can't contribute code, open an issue with recommendations, mockups/screenshots etc.
1282017-12-17T08:48:47 <fanquake> I think there might even be a few open with new design ideas.
1292017-12-17T08:52:25 <cluelessperson> fanquake: I'm putting togeether design mockups
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1342017-12-17T09:14:50 <cluelessperson> fanquake: here's what I'm going for
1352017-12-17T09:14:53 <cluelessperson> https://i.imgur.com/0vJ5a3d.png
1362017-12-17T09:15:39 <sipa> cluelessperson: i don't think an address should be shown until you request one
1372017-12-17T09:15:45 <cluelessperson> sipa: why?
1382017-12-17T09:15:48 <sipa> it's very hard to prevent reuse otherwise
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1402017-12-17T09:16:14 <cluelessperson> sipa: Have core generate a new address when it detects a transaction come through
1412017-12-17T09:16:32 <sipa> cluelessperson: that's what we used to do. it makes people freak out their address changed
1422017-12-17T09:16:35 <cluelessperson> sipa: Or, just have it start out blank, and it won't show you one until you ask for it. :)
1432017-12-17T09:17:28 <sipa> still shouldn't show it afterwards anymore
1442017-12-17T09:18:04 <sipa> the whole "this is your address" causes more problems than understanding
1452017-12-17T09:18:09 <cluelessperson> sipa: then I'll add the subtext, "old addresses are stored in history" and you make them show up in the transactions/history tab
1462017-12-17T09:18:25 <sipa> an address is something that is per requested paymemt
1472017-12-17T09:18:35 <sipa> not something "belonging" to you
1482017-12-17T09:20:18 <cluelessperson> sipa: What?
1492017-12-17T09:20:23 <cluelessperson> of course addresses belond to you
1502017-12-17T09:20:31 <sipa> yes, of course they do
1512017-12-17T09:20:39 <sipa> but i mean people shouldn't see them as such
1522017-12-17T09:20:54 <sipa> they should see it as an invoice number
1532017-12-17T09:21:00 <sipa> more than as an account number
1542017-12-17T09:21:18 <cluelessperson> sipa: Sure, you definitely want to make it easy as hell to use, just toss out a QR code to scan, but you cannot hide it when people want it
1552017-12-17T09:21:31 <cluelessperson> it's also currently a fundamental of how people understand bitcoin to work.
1562017-12-17T09:22:20 <sipa> cluelessperson: i don't care about easy as hell
1572017-12-17T09:22:27 <sipa> if it results in lost funds later
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1602017-12-17T09:24:50 <cluelessperson> sipa: https://i.imgur.com/5L7DLat.png
1612017-12-17T09:25:04 <cluelessperson> sipa: That's a good resolve to have, you're right, so let's do both. :)
1622017-12-17T09:25:16 <cluelessperson> Easy as hell AND No losing of funds.
1632017-12-17T09:25:53 <sipa> i dislike "your current receiving address" :)
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1652017-12-17T09:26:12 <sipa> that sounds like ot's still sometging designed to last for a period of timr
1662017-12-17T09:26:53 <cluelessperson> sipa: That's just verbiage, I'm absolutely open to changing that and the layout. My mock up is to demonstrate the fundamental requirements that should be on the receiving tab, and the organization that would make sense "no questions asked" to all users.
1672017-12-17T09:27:19 <sipa> ok
1682017-12-17T09:27:22 <sipa> sure
1692017-12-17T09:27:47 <cluelessperson> sipa: I agree with you, what would you like to rename the "current receiving addrss" assuming I myself try to patch together a ... pull request
1702017-12-17T09:30:55 <cluelessperson> sipa: Thanks for your input, you are absolutely right
1712017-12-17T09:31:01 <cluelessperson> I'll put more thought into how to handle it as well
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2172017-12-17T11:23:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 11 new commits to 0.15: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a69cc077d946...2559a19e6fdb
2182017-12-17T11:23:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 6372a75 Jonas Schnelli: [Wallet] always show help-line of wallet encryption calls...
2192017-12-17T11:23:53 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 7026845 Russell Yanofsky: Fix uninitialized URI in batch RPC requests...
2202017-12-17T11:23:53 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 305f768 Russell Yanofsky: Limit AuthServiceProxyWrapper.__getattr__ wrapping...
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2322017-12-17T11:41:33 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] canselcik opened pull request #11921: Fixing env variables/arguments in OpenBSD build instructions (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11921
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4102017-12-17T15:53:38 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] JavadSM closed pull request #11895: Moving to python3 (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11895
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4242017-12-17T16:22:43 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] PierreRochard opened pull request #11923: Wallet : remove unused fNoncriticalErrors variable from CWalletDB::FindWalletTx (master...2017-12-17-FindWalletTx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11923
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4312017-12-17T16:34:20 <adminj> cluelessperson it can be helpful to draw proposed design changes on top of an existing screenshot, as it makes it easier to understand the relative change. Your last sketch looks completely different from the current look and feel. As much as I'd love a complete revamp, smaller incremental improvements are more likely to actually happen.
4322017-12-17T16:34:44 <cluelessperson> adminj: that's a good suggestion
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4372017-12-17T16:38:05 <sturles> I have been education my users for a while to use segwit compatible wallets. The result is that now most of my outgoing transactions are to bc1.. and 3.. type addresses, with the change output being the only one to and1...
4382017-12-17T16:38:11 <sturles> Eoh.
4392017-12-17T16:38:20 <sturles> to an 1... address.
4402017-12-17T16:38:26 <sturles> This makes it very easy to single out.
4412017-12-17T16:38:45 <wumpus> sturles: what wallet are you using?
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4432017-12-17T16:38:50 <sturles> Bitcoin Core.
4442017-12-17T16:39:02 <wumpus> sturles: with #11403?
4452017-12-17T16:39:08 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11403 | SegWit wallet support by sipa · Pull Request #11403 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4462017-12-17T16:39:22 <provoostenator> (setting up ZNC is a pain...)
4472017-12-17T16:39:47 <wumpus> if so, you can change the changetype with -changetype
4482017-12-17T16:40:51 <sturles> Ah, thanks! Don't know why I haven't found this one before.
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4502017-12-17T16:41:16 <sturles> Is it production ready?
4512017-12-17T16:41:55 <wumpus> definitely not, it needs testing
4522017-12-17T16:42:03 <sturles> Hmm. :-/
4532017-12-17T16:42:07 <wumpus> and review and all the things unmerged PR need
4542017-12-17T16:42:25 <sturles> I don't test much, but when I do I do it in production. :-)
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4932017-12-17T19:21:54 <jonasschnelli> My nighly gitian builds for linux do fail since 1st of december... could be a local issue... but more likely a build thing
4942017-12-17T19:22:06 <jonasschnelli> https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/builds/407/build_linux.log
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6102017-12-17T23:48:01 <adam_> hey guys
6112017-12-17T23:48:15 <adam_> does anyone still communicate on herE?
6122017-12-17T23:48:55 <asdfasdf> I'm here for the first time. I'm just wondering how this works
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