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 79 2017-12-17T07:02:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] comradekingu opened pull request #11920: python → Python (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11920
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 85 2017-12-17T07:28:16  <cluelessperson> bitcoin.org 's downloads are slow as balls
 86 2017-12-17T07:28:18  <cluelessperson> why is that?
 87 2017-12-17T07:36:05  <jonasschnelli> cluelessperson: use http://bitcoincore.org/bin/?
 88 2017-12-17T07:39:23  <cluelessperson> jonasschnelli: thanks, but we should fix the first things users see
 89 2017-12-17T07:44:00  <jonasschnelli> Download from http://bitcoin.org/ seems pretty fast on my end
 90 2017-12-17T07:44:12  <cluelessperson> bitcoin.org is kinda infuriating
 91 2017-12-17T07:44:19  <cluelessperson> needs a "download" link on the homepage
 92 2017-12-17T07:45:01  <sipa> well bitcoin.org is not primarily about bitcoin core
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 99 2017-12-17T08:02:58  <cluelessperson> I guess
100 2017-12-17T08:03:09  <cluelessperson> sipa: I would still make it better
101 2017-12-17T08:03:19  <cluelessperson> "choose your wallet" should be first thing
102 2017-12-17T08:04:31  <sipa> cluelessperson: i'm sure people will appreciate help on https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org
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113 2017-12-17T08:23:13  <cluelessperson> jesus christ
114 2017-12-17T08:23:44  <cluelessperson> I'm looking at the Bitcoin Core UI and it needs serious revamping
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117 2017-12-17T08:35:34  <cluelessperson> Who made this UI?  I have recommendations
118 2017-12-17T08:36:25  <Varunram> cluelessperson: bitcoin-qt?
119 2017-12-17T08:36:46  <cluelessperson> yeah
120 2017-12-17T08:38:26  <cluelessperson> The first thing on the receiving tab should be "Receiving Address: <ADDRESS>" "NEW"
121 2017-12-17T08:38:52  <cluelessperson> This should be DUMB simple for braindead laymen to use, dead and center
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123 2017-12-17T08:46:16  <fanquake> cluelessperson open a pull request with your recommended changes.
124 2017-12-17T08:47:32  <cluelessperson> I'm sorry if I'm being insulting
125 2017-12-17T08:47:36  <cluelessperson> fanquake: I don't know C++
126 2017-12-17T08:47:41  <fanquake> There's no doubt the GUI could be more user-friendly, but there's a lack of people willing/able to do the work.
127 2017-12-17T08:48:23  <fanquake> cluelessperson If you can't contribute code, open an issue with recommendations, mockups/screenshots etc.
128 2017-12-17T08:48:47  <fanquake> I think there might even be a few open with new design ideas.
129 2017-12-17T08:52:25  <cluelessperson> fanquake: I'm putting togeether design mockups
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134 2017-12-17T09:14:50  <cluelessperson> fanquake: here's what I'm going for
135 2017-12-17T09:14:53  <cluelessperson> https://i.imgur.com/0vJ5a3d.png
136 2017-12-17T09:15:39  <sipa> cluelessperson: i don't think an address should be shown until you request one
137 2017-12-17T09:15:45  <cluelessperson> sipa: why?
138 2017-12-17T09:15:48  <sipa> it's very hard to prevent reuse otherwise
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140 2017-12-17T09:16:14  <cluelessperson> sipa: Have core generate a new address when it detects a transaction come through
141 2017-12-17T09:16:32  <sipa> cluelessperson: that's what we used to do. it makes people freak out their address changed
142 2017-12-17T09:16:35  <cluelessperson> sipa: Or, just have it start out blank, and it won't show you one until you ask for it. :)
143 2017-12-17T09:17:28  <sipa> still shouldn't show it afterwards anymore
144 2017-12-17T09:18:04  <sipa> the whole "this is your address" causes more problems than understanding
145 2017-12-17T09:18:09  <cluelessperson> sipa: then I'll add the subtext, "old addresses are stored in history" and you make them show up in the transactions/history tab
146 2017-12-17T09:18:25  <sipa> an address is something that is per requested paymemt
147 2017-12-17T09:18:35  <sipa> not something "belonging" to you
148 2017-12-17T09:20:18  <cluelessperson> sipa: What?
149 2017-12-17T09:20:23  <cluelessperson> of course addresses belond to you
150 2017-12-17T09:20:31  <sipa> yes, of course they do
151 2017-12-17T09:20:39  <sipa> but i mean people shouldn't see them as such
152 2017-12-17T09:20:54  <sipa> they should see it as an invoice number
153 2017-12-17T09:21:00  <sipa> more than as an account number
154 2017-12-17T09:21:18  <cluelessperson> sipa: Sure, you definitely want to make it easy as hell to use, just toss out a QR code to scan, but you cannot hide it when people want it
155 2017-12-17T09:21:31  <cluelessperson> it's also currently a fundamental of how people understand bitcoin to work.
156 2017-12-17T09:22:20  <sipa> cluelessperson: i don't care about easy as hell
157 2017-12-17T09:22:27  <sipa> if it results in lost funds later
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160 2017-12-17T09:24:50  <cluelessperson> sipa: https://i.imgur.com/5L7DLat.png
161 2017-12-17T09:25:04  <cluelessperson> sipa: That's a good resolve to have, you're right, so let's do both. :)
162 2017-12-17T09:25:16  <cluelessperson> Easy as hell AND No losing of funds.
163 2017-12-17T09:25:53  <sipa> i dislike "your current receiving address" :)
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165 2017-12-17T09:26:12  <sipa> that sounds like ot's still sometging designed to last for a period of timr
166 2017-12-17T09:26:53  <cluelessperson> sipa: That's just verbiage, I'm absolutely open to changing that and the layout.   My mock up is to demonstrate the fundamental requirements that should be on the receiving tab, and the organization that would make sense "no questions asked" to all users.
167 2017-12-17T09:27:19  <sipa> ok
168 2017-12-17T09:27:22  <sipa> sure
169 2017-12-17T09:27:47  <cluelessperson> sipa: I agree with you, what would you like to rename the "current receiving addrss" assuming I myself try to patch together a ... pull request
170 2017-12-17T09:30:55  <cluelessperson> sipa: Thanks for your input, you are absolutely right
171 2017-12-17T09:31:01  <cluelessperson> I'll put more thought into how to handle it as well
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217 2017-12-17T11:23:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 11 new commits to 0.15: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a69cc077d946...2559a19e6fdb
218 2017-12-17T11:23:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 6372a75 Jonas Schnelli: [Wallet] always show help-line of wallet encryption calls...
219 2017-12-17T11:23:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 7026845 Russell Yanofsky: Fix uninitialized URI in batch RPC requests...
220 2017-12-17T11:23:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.15 305f768 Russell Yanofsky: Limit AuthServiceProxyWrapper.__getattr__ wrapping...
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232 2017-12-17T11:41:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] canselcik opened pull request #11921: Fixing env variables/arguments in OpenBSD build instructions (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11921
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410 2017-12-17T15:53:38  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] JavadSM closed pull request #11895: Moving to python3 (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11895
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424 2017-12-17T16:22:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] PierreRochard opened pull request #11923: Wallet : remove unused fNoncriticalErrors variable from CWalletDB::FindWalletTx (master...2017-12-17-FindWalletTx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11923
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431 2017-12-17T16:34:20  <adminj> cluelessperson it can be helpful to draw proposed design changes on top of  an existing screenshot, as it makes it easier to understand the relative change. Your last sketch looks completely different from the current look and feel. As much as I'd love a complete revamp, smaller incremental improvements are more likely to actually happen.
432 2017-12-17T16:34:44  <cluelessperson> adminj: that's a good suggestion
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437 2017-12-17T16:38:05  <sturles> I have been education my users for a while to use segwit compatible wallets.  The result is that now most of my outgoing transactions are to bc1.. and 3.. type addresses, with the change output being the only one to and1...
438 2017-12-17T16:38:11  <sturles> Eoh.
439 2017-12-17T16:38:20  <sturles> to an 1... address.
440 2017-12-17T16:38:26  <sturles> This makes it very easy to single out.
441 2017-12-17T16:38:45  <wumpus> sturles: what wallet are you using?
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443 2017-12-17T16:38:50  <sturles> Bitcoin Core.
444 2017-12-17T16:39:02  <wumpus> sturles: with #11403?
445 2017-12-17T16:39:08  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11403 | SegWit wallet support by sipa · Pull Request #11403 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
446 2017-12-17T16:39:22  <provoostenator> (setting up ZNC is a pain...)
447 2017-12-17T16:39:47  <wumpus> if so, you can change the changetype with -changetype
448 2017-12-17T16:40:51  <sturles> Ah, thanks!  Don't know why I haven't found this one before.
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450 2017-12-17T16:41:16  <sturles> Is it production ready?
451 2017-12-17T16:41:55  <wumpus> definitely not, it needs testing
452 2017-12-17T16:42:03  <sturles> Hmm. :-/
453 2017-12-17T16:42:07  <wumpus> and review and all the things unmerged PR need
454 2017-12-17T16:42:25  <sturles> I don't test much, but when I do I do it in production. :-)
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493 2017-12-17T19:21:54  <jonasschnelli> My nighly gitian builds for linux do fail since 1st of december... could be a local issue... but more likely a build thing
494 2017-12-17T19:22:06  <jonasschnelli> https://bitcoin.jonasschnelli.ch/builds/407/build_linux.log
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610 2017-12-17T23:48:01  <adam_> hey guys
611 2017-12-17T23:48:15  <adam_> does anyone still communicate on herE?
612 2017-12-17T23:48:55  <asdfasdf> I'm here for the first time. I'm just wondering how this works
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