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133 2018-01-20T12:44:35  <promag> should we disallow multiple change outputs?
134 2018-01-20T12:45:03  <promag> if sendmany sends to a change address, should we create another change or increment that output?
135 2018-01-20T12:45:57  <promag> should CreateTransaction always create change outputs?
136 2018-01-20T12:46:43  <promag> provoostenator: should you check if there is one change output already and use that type before eveything else?
137 2018-01-20T12:47:43  <promag> I'm about to submit 2018-01-reuse-change branch, but I would like to have feedback on these questions, thanks
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139 2018-01-20T12:52:21  <sipa> promag: there may be good reasons for multiple change outputs (mostly privacy, but also possibly preparing to split yiur coins during a low-fee period ahead of tike to do multiple concurrent payments)
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141 2018-01-20T12:52:45  <sipa> promag: i'm not sure sendmany is the right place though
142 2018-01-20T12:57:39  <gmaxwell> Also to control dependency chains.
143 2018-01-20T12:58:37  <gmaxwell> I was planning on working on implementing autmatic multiple change outputs when change would otherwise be very large, ... after murch's selection stuff makes it in.
144 2018-01-20T13:08:01  <promag> gmaxwell: I've done that in the past, where a large change was split in N random outputs
145 2018-01-20T13:08:42  <promag> sipa: sendmany uses CreateTransaction, as well fundrawtransction and others
146 2018-01-20T13:09:31  <promag> but should #12119 check existing change outputs?
147 2018-01-20T13:09:34  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12119 | [wallet] use P2WPKH change output if any destination is P2WPKH or P2WSH by Sjors · Pull Request #12119 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
148 2018-01-20T13:10:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MCFX2 opened pull request #12232: Improve "Turn Windows Features On or Off" step (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12232
149 2018-01-20T13:11:28  <promag> however IMO having the option to reuse change output results in a lower fee so..
150 2018-01-20T13:12:13  <promag> maybe we should add some enum ChangePolicy flag to daemon argument and rpc options, dunno
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152 2018-01-20T13:15:54  <gmaxwell> huh?
153 2018-01-20T13:16:04  <gmaxwell> What do you mean by reuse change output?
154 2018-01-20T13:16:29  <sipa> gmaxwell: if you use getrawchangeaddress and use that as a destination in sendmany
155 2018-01-20T13:16:37  <gmaxwell> Reusing addresses doesn't result in lower fees, -- perhaps I misunderstand what reuse means in this context?
156 2018-01-20T13:16:42  <gmaxwell> Ah! I did.
157 2018-01-20T13:17:28  <gmaxwell> I had thought our behavior was to merge any repeated outputs, so if you ask it to pay A 1 and A 2, it will pay A 3.
158 2018-01-20T13:17:56  <sipa> promag: imho getrawchangeaddress is an expert feature, mostly intended to be used in conjunction with createrawtransaction
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160 2018-01-20T13:18:38  <sipa> promag: i don't see why someone would use change as destination in sendmany at all... it will work fine, but i don't think it's useful or something to spend more work on
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165 2018-01-20T13:51:22  <gmaxwell> sipa: so for example, you could pass input requested by users to sendmany, and some genius user could manage to send to some random change address of yours.
166 2018-01-20T13:59:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #12231: rpc: Avoid KeyError in getpeerinfo bytes per msg (master...Mf1801-rpcPeerInfoKeyError) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12231
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173 2018-01-20T14:28:57  <promag> sipa: gmaxwell: there is also the case of fundraw after fundraw
174 2018-01-20T14:29:30  <promag> if we want to re-fund because fee bump for instance
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180 2018-01-20T14:46:20  <sipa> promag: in the context of fundraw it may make more sense
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182 2018-01-20T14:47:23  <promag> well this is a very very edge case and should probably be handled on the caller side
183 2018-01-20T14:48:03  <promag> fund returns the change position, if the user wants to refund maybe he should remove the change, and reuse the previously returned address
184 2018-01-20T14:48:05  <promag> wdyt?
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195 2018-01-20T15:28:06  <promag> Requesting expertise here https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12119#discussion_r162784913
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241 2018-01-20T17:28:54  <contrapumpkin> is there a good way to ask bitcoin core to reverify the entire chain on disk?
242 2018-01-20T17:29:41  <contrapumpkin> aha, verifychain in the console looks right
243 2018-01-20T17:29:54  <eck> there's also a command (i forget the name) to give you a hash of the current utxo set
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245 2018-01-20T17:31:55  <jb55> is there any reason why zero-output transactions would not be allowed? Other than to catch common mistakes? Just noticed the check in CheckTransaction.
246 2018-01-20T17:33:00  <jb55> like if I wanted to donate my dust to miners or something
247 2018-01-20T17:35:30  <sipa> jb55: i know of no good reason for that
248 2018-01-20T17:37:14  <arubi> jb55, do you mean "no outputs" or zero amount?
249 2018-01-20T17:37:22  <jb55> no outputs
250 2018-01-20T17:37:31  <arubi> no that's not a valid transaction
251 2018-01-20T17:37:35  <jb55> oh?
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253 2018-01-20T17:38:03  <arubi> need one output at least
254 2018-01-20T17:38:19  <jb55> was asking because of this lightning-rfc issue: https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/issues/360
255 2018-01-20T17:38:24  <jb55> wanted to confirm
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258 2018-01-20T17:38:53  <jb55> like it's not valid as consensus rule? where in the code is that
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260 2018-01-20T17:40:38  <jb55> oh CheckTransaction
261 2018-01-20T17:41:10  <arubi> ah I was trying to find it :)
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268 2018-01-20T17:51:53  <sipa> jb55: conseneus ruoes require at least 1 input and at oeast 1 output in every tx
269 2018-01-20T17:56:13  <jb55> literally unusable
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289 2018-01-20T19:23:20  <BlueMatt> cfields: if you get a chance to re-review #11512 and ack it, it'd probably be worth merging and we can kill another 0.16-milestone pr
290 2018-01-20T19:23:22  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11512 | Use GetDesireableServiceFlags in seeds, dnsseeds, fixing static seed adding by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #11512 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
291 2018-01-20T19:23:49  <BlueMatt> also, #12229 needs an 0.16 tag
292 2018-01-20T19:23:50  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12229 | Shutdown deadlock in SyncWithValidationInterfaceQueue · Issue #12229 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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327 2018-01-20T21:03:08  <promag> BlueMatt: don't forget #11041
328 2018-01-20T21:03:11  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11041 | Add LookupBlockIndex by promag · Pull Request #11041 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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330 2018-01-20T21:04:11  <BlueMatt> promag: lol, I havent...on vacation this week so not being super productive review-wise, just marshalling where needed
331 2018-01-20T21:04:24  <promag> BlueMatt: have fun!
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389 2018-01-20T23:39:25  <jonasschnelli> gmaxwell: I guess fee estimation for the utxo-scan sweep transaction is not very accurate. Example: If you scan for an p2pkh address, you don't know if the pubkey is compressed-
390 2018-01-20T23:40:40  <jonasschnelli> Also, we don't know if the found P2SH address is a P2SH-P2WPKH or a 1of1 multisig (we could decide to only support a single P2SH form [P2WPKH]).
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