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1062018-03-01T07:56:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] AkioNak opened pull request #12572: [script] lint-whitespace: improve print linenumber (master...morelinenumber) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12572
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1432018-03-01T09:23:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] 532479301 opened pull request #12573: Consensus: Fix bug when compiler do not support __builtin_clz* (master...vs2017) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12573
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1492018-03-01T09:46:02  <pierre_rochard> Is there an equivalent to ScriptToAsmStr for an CTxIn’s scriptWitness?
1502018-03-01T09:46:47  <pierre_rochard> the current implementation of TxToUniv in core_write.cpp just uses HexStr
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1552018-03-01T10:03:25  <wumpus> pierre_rochard: I don't think so
1562018-03-01T10:06:21  <pierre_rochard> Ok, I’ll settle for HexStr until I really need it, then I’ll try my hand at a PR :)
1572018-03-01T10:06:56  <pierre_rochard> Thank you for the quick response wumpus!
1582018-03-01T10:07:09  <wumpus> I'm not sure it's possible to unambigiously distinguish between data encodings there, so it's shown as just hex. But maybe something better could be done, not sure...
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1702018-03-01T11:13:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 4 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9e2ed253f505...32987d5aebc4
1712018-03-01T11:13:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f0e7aa7 Evan Klitzke: Add new prevector benchmarks....
1722018-03-01T11:13:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e46be25 Akio Nakamura: Reduce redundant code of prevector and speed it up...
1732018-03-01T11:13:38  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5aad635 Evan Klitzke: Use memset() to optimize prevector::resize()...
1742018-03-01T11:14:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12549: Make prevector::resize() and other prevector operations much faster (master...prevector) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12549
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1882018-03-01T11:37:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/32987d5aebc4...be263faf871f
1892018-03-01T11:37:24  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e7d9fc5 Sjors Provoost: [qt] navigate to  transaction history page after send...
1902018-03-01T11:37:25  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master be263fa Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #12421: [qt] navigate to  transaction history page after send...
1912018-03-01T11:38:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12421: [qt] navigate to  transaction history page after send (master...2018/02/qt-goto-transactions-after-send) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12421
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2222018-03-01T13:11:29  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/be263faf871f...39dcac27a1be
2232018-03-01T13:11:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 90eac8c Kosta Zertsekel: Add tests for HexStr corner cases...
2242018-03-01T13:11:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ac48861 Kosta Zertsekel: Add tests for HexStr std::reverse_iterator cases...
2252018-03-01T13:11:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 39dcac2 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #12570: Add test cases for HexStr (std::reverse_iterator and corner cases)...
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2272018-03-01T13:12:25  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12570: Add test cases for HexStr (std::reverse_iterator and corner cases) (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12570
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2532018-03-01T14:14:21  <promag> review request #12559
2542018-03-01T14:14:23  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12559 | Avoid locking cs_main in some wallet RPC by promag · Pull Request #12559 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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2592018-03-01T14:31:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 7 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/39dcac27a1be...5c2aff8d95a9
2602018-03-01T14:31:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 31c45a9 Jonas Schnelli: Accept addresses with NODE_NETWORK_LIMITED flag
2612018-03-01T14:31:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6fe57bd Jonas Schnelli: Connect to peers signaling NODE_NETWORK_LIMITED when out-of-IBD
2622018-03-01T14:31:57  <provoostenator> Is bitcoind --daemon supposed to keep a macOS machine awake?
2632018-03-01T14:31:58  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa999af Jonas Schnelli: [QA] Allow addrman loopback tests (add debug option -addrmantest)
2642018-03-01T14:32:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10387: Eventually connect to NODE_NETWORK_LIMITED peers (master...2017/05/node_network_limited) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10387
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2692018-03-01T14:46:49  <Randolf> provoostenator:  Normally, when running any sort of a server daemon, sleep mode isn't typically wanted.  After all, if the machine is in sleep mode, the daemon can't respond to any inbound queries.
2702018-03-01T14:48:08  <provoostenator> Right, that's what I would expect too...
2712018-03-01T14:48:11  <Randolf> provoostenator:  There are some hardware configurations which can "wake up" the machine when network traffic is received, but since Bitcoin has a constant flow of data even this would in effect be pointless.
2722018-03-01T14:48:31  <Randolf> ...because the machine would constantly be waking up if ever it could get into sleep mode in the first place.
2732018-03-01T14:48:57  <provoostenator> Maybe we can add --caffeinate as a flag (for OSX, maybe Linux has a similar thing)?
2742018-03-01T14:50:04  <provoostenator> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7858428
2752018-03-01T14:50:45  <Randolf> provoostenator:  I think it's better to leave the power management to the OS.  I also think it's reasonable to assume that someone running a server daemon should also have enough knowledge to manage their power settings according to their needs.
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2772018-03-01T14:51:31  <provoostenator> Yeah, that's what I thought to. But apparently I'm not not knowledgeable enough. :-)
2782018-03-01T14:52:28  <Randolf> If Bitcoin were to add options to manage power settings, then that would also be adding complexity to the project which I think would generally be beyond the scope of what Bitcoin is.
2792018-03-01T14:52:52  <Randolf> And then whenever a vendor changes their power management API, precious development time gets taken away from more important things.
2802018-03-01T14:53:43  <provoostenator> I probably made the mistake of logging out all users from the UI. It probably turned itself off once I closed the last SSH connection into the machine, despite bitcoind and a detached virtual box sessions.
2812018-03-01T14:54:29  <provoostenator> I tend to agree bitcoind shouldn't do that for the OS. Though we could add some installation instructions / hints.
2822018-03-01T14:55:01  <Randolf> provoostenator:  I think that knowing how to change your system's power management configuration is something you'll have to master.
2832018-03-01T14:55:25  <Randolf> Again, power management is, in my view, beyond the scope of what Bitcoin does.
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2852018-03-01T14:55:36  <Randolf> It could be good for a Wiki page.
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2882018-03-01T14:58:24  <Randolf> provoostenator:  Consider this:  Windows 10 regulatly reboots to install updates without asking the user first.  Should Bitcoin's instructions tell users how to change the settings in Windows 10 to stop this from happening?  And then update those instructions every time Microsoft changes the way
2892018-03-01T14:59:47  <Randolf> And again, I think it's reasonable to assume that anyone who wants to run bitcoind is knowledgeable enough to manage their own OS accordingly.
2902018-03-01T14:59:48  <Randolf> those settings are configured?  I think this would also be beyond the scope of what Bitcoin does.
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2932018-03-01T15:13:42  <promag> wumpus: does this make sense https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blame/5c2aff8d95a932f82a9472975b1d183da6c99e5f/src/qt/transactionrecord.cpp#L140 ?
2942018-03-01T15:15:57  <promag> why is the fee added? fwiw rpc gettransaction separates amount and fee (in details field)
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2962018-03-01T15:16:24  <promag> I wonder if we could remove that
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3512018-03-01T18:02:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5c2aff8d95a9...987a80995a69
3522018-03-01T18:02:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8222e05 Jonas Schnelli: Disable wallet fallbackfee by default on mainnet
3532018-03-01T18:02:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3f592b8 Jonas Schnelli: [QA] add wallet-rbf test
3542018-03-01T18:02:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 987a809 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #11882: Disable default fallbackfee on mainnet...
3552018-03-01T18:03:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #11882: Disable default fallbackfee on mainnet (master...2017/12/feeest_readyness) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/11882
3562018-03-01T18:03:12  <zks_> Guys, I'm new to Bitcoin Core source code... and I have a question - why base_blob::GetHex() reverses the base_blob::data[WIDTH] array?
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3582018-03-01T18:03:30  <zks_> Hope it is an appropriate place to ask questions...
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3622018-03-01T18:06:30  <wumpus> zks_: that's an old tradition, to represent hashes in reversed order
3632018-03-01T18:06:59  <zks_> wumpus: Thanks for the answer! But why?
3642018-03-01T18:07:05  <wumpus> zks_: we inherited it from satoshi and it's not realistic to change the entire interface
3652018-03-01T18:07:13  <zks_> wumpus: Is it related to network byte order?
3662018-03-01T18:07:23  <wumpus> no, definitely not
3672018-03-01T18:07:34  <mmgen> zks_: possibly because it shows leading zeroes of the block header as *leading* zeroes
3682018-03-01T18:07:41  <zks_> wumpus: Ok. Got it. Historic reasons...
3692018-03-01T18:07:46  <mmgen> zks_: block header hash
3702018-03-01T18:07:48  <wumpus> hashes are just blobs of data, their 'network byte order' is simply their memory representation
3712018-03-01T18:07:51  <wumpus> there is no logic to it
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3732018-03-01T18:09:15  <mmgen> zks_: that's my reasoning on why Satoshi did it that way
3742018-03-01T18:09:18  <zks_> mmgen: wumpus: If I get it right - there is no difference how to store the hashes (regular or reversed order). It just has to be this way or the other...
3752018-03-01T18:09:48  <wumpus> I'm not sure GetHex on blob is the best place to do that swap, as it precludes using it in a neutral fashion, should probably ave been an external function GetWackyExternalRepresentation() but meh...
3762018-03-01T18:09:53  <mmgen> zks_: this is how they're represented, not how they're stored
3772018-03-01T18:10:33  <wumpus> indeed, internally the data is in normal order, just for external representation it's swapped
3782018-03-01T18:11:01  <wumpus> makes sense to use the same conventions in your own software, swap it only for communication with bitcoind
3792018-03-01T18:11:32  <zks_> so, in the blockchain "database" the hashes are always in the natural order and only printed in reverse?
3802018-03-01T18:11:38  <wumpus> yep
3812018-03-01T18:12:08  <zks_> ok, ... moving on guys... thx!
3822018-03-01T18:12:47  <wumpus> satoshi's orignal vision: print hashes in reversed order :-)
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3842018-03-01T18:13:31  <Chris_Stewart_5> *vein pulses in forehead*
3852018-03-01T18:14:16  <luke-jr> XD
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3902018-03-01T18:31:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag opened pull request #12578: Add transaction record type Fee (master...2018-03-fee-transaction-record) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12578
3912018-03-01T18:31:57  <promag> wumpus: not sure if this makes sense ^ but please comment since you wrote the origin code
3922018-03-01T18:32:01  <promag> *original
3932018-03-01T18:32:29  <wumpus> promag: no, I did not write that code, that came literally from the satoshi wxwindows code
3942018-03-01T18:32:30  <promag> I'll update the PR description and add a before image later
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3962018-03-01T18:32:40  <promag> oh :P
3972018-03-01T18:32:42  <wumpus> I think it's correct, though a bit weird
3982018-03-01T18:33:01  <promag> it's weird to see the fee as debit in the first output
3992018-03-01T18:33:20  <wumpus> the idea is that the total works out
4002018-03-01T18:33:24  <promag> we could "hide" fee records by default with a checkbox
4012018-03-01T18:33:35  <promag> right
4022018-03-01T18:34:06  <wumpus> so satoshi's reasoning there is that it doesn't matter which of the outputs the fee is added to, but it must be added to one, otherwise the total doesn't match
4032018-03-01T18:34:38  <wumpus> probably there's something similar in the RPC wallet
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4072018-03-01T18:43:14  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12518: [0.16]  Bump leveldb subtree  (0.16...Mf1802-leveldbSubtreeBump) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12518
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4092018-03-01T18:46:40  <promag> wumpus: maybe in listtransactions, I'll check later
4102018-03-01T18:47:02  <promag> btw, pr description updated
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4172018-03-01T19:01:22  <Randolf> wumpus:  Perhaps the "hashes in reverse" routine could be analogous to AMBULANCE written backward on ambulances?
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4192018-03-01T19:02:53  <jcorgan> meeting?
4202018-03-01T19:03:02  <Randolf> jcorgan++
4212018-03-01T19:03:37  <sipa> meetung
4222018-03-01T19:03:45  <jcorgan> not sure the world could handle two of me
4232018-03-01T19:03:48  <achow101> meeting.
4242018-03-01T19:04:02  <wumpus> #startmeeting
4252018-03-01T19:04:02  <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Mar  1 19:04:02 2018 UTC.  The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
4262018-03-01T19:04:02  <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
4272018-03-01T19:04:18  <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr btcdrak sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator
4282018-03-01T19:04:40  <wumpus> Randolf: yes, like that, hash mirroring (TM)
4292018-03-01T19:04:53  <wumpus> #topic high priority for review
4302018-03-01T19:04:53  * Randolf smiles
4312018-03-01T19:05:15  <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8
4322018-03-01T19:05:29  <wumpus> a few of the PRs really need rebase
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4352018-03-01T19:06:40  <wumpus> but we managed to merge a few this week, so if you have nothing on that list yet, proposals are welcome
4362018-03-01T19:06:41  <sipa> many people at FC18 right now, btw
4372018-03-01T19:06:42  <Randolf> I have purposely NOT rebased PR #12501 fully yet because it turned into some discussion about the "virtual size" of transactions.
4382018-03-01T19:06:45  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12501 | [qt] Improved "custom fee" explanation in tooltip by randolf · Pull Request #12501 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4392018-03-01T19:07:00  <Randolf> I hoped that last week it would be an easy one to complete, but turns out this wasn't so straight-forward.
4402018-03-01T19:07:28  <wumpus> there are certainly valid reasons to not rebase something
4412018-03-01T19:07:34  <Randolf> I think that PR #12567 can probably be closed, but a few more people might want to take a quick look at it first.
4422018-03-01T19:07:37  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12567 | util: Print timestamp strings in logs using ISO 8601 formatting by practicalswift · Pull Request #12567 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4432018-03-01T19:07:55  <Randolf> I think that PR #12546 should be merged.
4442018-03-01T19:07:57  <wumpus> on the other hand, if something runs out of sync with current master, then reviewing it in the current state makes less sense
4452018-03-01T19:07:57  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12546 | [docs] Minor improvements to Compatibility Notes by randolf · Pull Request #12546 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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4472018-03-01T19:07:58  <luke-jr> #11383 is probably ready for merge, just only one recent utACK
4482018-03-01T19:08:02  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11383 | Basic Multiwallet GUI support by luke-jr · Pull Request #11383 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4492018-03-01T19:08:04  <Randolf> (Sorry, I meant "merged" earlier rather than "closed.")
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4512018-03-01T19:08:45  <wumpus> 12501 isn't on that list, should it be?
4522018-03-01T19:08:53  <Randolf> I suspect that PR 12501 probably needs more peer-review and discussion.
4532018-03-01T19:09:00  <wumpus> luke-jr: great!
4542018-03-01T19:09:24  <wumpus> luke-jr: looks like jonasschnelli has some, unreplied to comments there
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4572018-03-01T19:10:04  <wumpus> it's fine to say that you're leaving them for a later PR, but please do reply to ereview comments
4582018-03-01T19:10:13  <Randolf> Okay.
4592018-03-01T19:10:40  <kanzure> hi.
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4612018-03-01T19:11:15  <promag> hi
4622018-03-01T19:11:54  <kanzure> btw i am still seeking topic suggestions (either stuff you want to talk about, or you want other people to talk about) for next week's event.
4632018-03-01T19:12:26  <kanzure> speaking of which, we should decide about next weekly meeting timing since i imagine some folks will be traveling
4642018-03-01T19:12:31  <wumpus> #action send kanzure further topic suggestions
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4662018-03-01T19:12:47  <wumpus> right, I'll definitely not be there next week
4672018-03-01T19:13:10  <wumpus> will be travellingback at that time
4682018-03-01T19:13:15  <kanzure> wasn't aware we'd lose a bunch of people to fc18 but makes sense.
4692018-03-01T19:13:27  <promag> regarding multiwallet, there are other details that can be left for other pulls
4702018-03-01T19:13:27  <wumpus> indeed, apparently same problem this week
4712018-03-01T19:13:33  <sipa> sorry!
4722018-03-01T19:13:51  <luke-jr> sipa: next time, schedule FC so it doesn't conflict.
4732018-03-01T19:13:57  <sipa> haha!
4742018-03-01T19:13:57  <luke-jr> :p
4752018-03-01T19:14:00  * Randolf laughs
4762018-03-01T19:14:02  <wumpus> so I think we should skip next week's IRC meeting
4772018-03-01T19:14:10  <achow101> ack
4782018-03-01T19:14:13  <Randolf> Ack.
4792018-03-01T19:14:23  <kanzure> we can move it forward if we want.. since a lot of folks in same room. but it's sort of redundant.
4802018-03-01T19:14:41  <wumpus> right
4812018-03-01T19:15:05  <sipa> sgtm
4822018-03-01T19:15:18  <luke-jr> I suggest we have kanzure transcribe RL stuff to #bitcoin-core-dev in real time
4832018-03-01T19:15:31  <kanzure> that's okay with me since roasbeef wont be there
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4852018-03-01T19:15:34  <luke-jr> lol
4862018-03-01T19:15:39  <kanzure> (i love him tho)
4872018-03-01T19:15:43  <wumpus> hehe
4882018-03-01T19:15:56  <btcdrak> oh what did I miss?
4892018-03-01T19:16:03  <luke-jr> 1/4th of the meeting
4902018-03-01T19:16:13  <wumpus> <luke-jr> I suggest we have kanzure transcribe RL stuff to #bitcoin-core-dev in real time
4912018-03-01T19:16:13  <wumpus> <kanzure> that's okay with me since roasbeef wont be there
4922018-03-01T19:16:29  <wumpus> not much is going on, everyone is at FC apparently
4932018-03-01T19:16:50  <luke-jr> end early and spend 45 minutes on #11383 ? :D
4942018-03-01T19:16:54  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/11383 | Basic Multiwallet GUI support by luke-jr · Pull Request #11383 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4952018-03-01T19:16:58  <wumpus> but if anyone has a topic they like to discuss with the three of us, please mention
4962018-03-01T19:17:03  <Randolf> btcdrak:  I suggested merging PRs 12567 and 12546 and luke-jr suggested merging PR 11383.
4972018-03-01T19:17:31  <luke-jr> wumpus, luke-jr, sipa, btcdrak, kanzure, achow101, Randolf, promag = 8
4982018-03-01T19:17:35  <sdaftuar> hi
4992018-03-01T19:17:36  <wumpus> 12546 is obvious / documentation only
5002018-03-01T19:17:48  <Randolf> Yes.
5012018-03-01T19:18:13  <luke-jr> Randolf: well, it'd be nice to get a few more utACKs first (although I've shipped 11383 in Knots so long that I doubt there's any problems to find left)
5022018-03-01T19:19:24  <achow101> I'll take a look at 11383
5032018-03-01T19:20:28  <promag> luke-jr: I'll review again
5042018-03-01T19:21:28  <Randolf> wumpus:  In PR 12501 an issue arose about the "virtual size" of the transaction.  I'm thinking that it would probably be best to not mention this so as not to confuse end-users, but there's one person who's in favour of specifying this.  If there's a link to documentation that can get into the
5052018-03-01T19:22:36  <Randolf> "See also," not see all.  :)
5062018-03-01T19:22:36  <Randolf> details of the virtual size of the transaction, then I'm also thinking that including the link in the tooltip as a "see all" item should keep everyone happy?
5072018-03-01T19:23:16  <luke-jr> Randolf: the value being configured is fundamentally tied to virtual size. I don't think it's avoidable.
5082018-03-01T19:23:36  <wumpus> it's most important to be correct / complete
5092018-03-01T19:23:53  <luke-jr> "adjusted size" might be more understandable in plain English
5102018-03-01T19:24:06  <luke-jr> but there's no precedent for calling it that yet
5112018-03-01T19:24:24  <wumpus> in general, even if certain terms might confuse users, it's better to mention something than leave it out and say the wrong thing
5122018-03-01T19:24:28  <wumpus> but yeah, virtual size is confusing
5132018-03-01T19:24:29  <Randolf> Okay.  I want the tooltip to be correct without adding confusion.
5142018-03-01T19:24:54  <luke-jr> weight-adjusted size?
5152018-03-01T19:25:09  <wumpus> but calling it differently might be even worse
5162018-03-01T19:25:10  <wumpus> I don't know
5172018-03-01T19:25:25  <wumpus> (as you can't google it then!)
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5192018-03-01T19:26:22  <luke-jr> it's really a different way of speaking of the weight, not the size
5202018-03-01T19:26:28  <Randolf> From a plain-English perspective, "weight-adjusted size" is much nicer, but that point about it being a new term is an important one because then it needs to be in the full documentation too.
5212018-03-01T19:26:28  <luke-jr> I can't think up a nice way to call it
5222018-03-01T19:26:57  <Randolf> Originally, I didn't have the word "virtual" in there.
5232018-03-01T19:27:04  <luke-jr> I suggest we just stick to "virtual size" until some English genius thinks up a better name
5242018-03-01T19:27:07  <wumpus> if there are new terms there's a good rationale to only use a single term for it, not make up multiple terms just because they sound nicer
5252018-03-01T19:27:18  <Randolf> I agree.
5262018-03-01T19:27:55  <wumpus> so if it is virtual size, I think we need to bite the bullet and simply use that
5272018-03-01T19:28:34  <wumpus> any other topics?
5282018-03-01T19:28:37  <Randolf> Alright.  So, if the current wording in most recent commit - https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12501/commits/a6a800cc4b3c1cbc4e5199563e2de1b5228ff9e2 - looks fine, then I'll go ahead and rebase.
5292018-03-01T19:29:29  <luke-jr> lgtn
5302018-03-01T19:29:30  <luke-jr> lgtm*
5312018-03-01T19:29:48  <wumpus> yes
5322018-03-01T19:29:53  <wumpus> #endmeeting
5332018-03-01T19:29:53  <lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Mar  1 19:29:53 2018 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
5342018-03-01T19:29:53  <lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-03-01-19.04.html
5352018-03-01T19:29:53  <lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-03-01-19.04.txt
5362018-03-01T19:29:53  <lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2018/bitcoin-core-dev.2018-03-01-19.04.log.html
5372018-03-01T19:29:57  <Randolf> Thanks.
5382018-03-01T19:30:59  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/987a80995a69...a4a5fc7c17cd
5392018-03-01T19:30:59  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b22c289 Randolf Richardson: [docs] Minor improvements to Compatibility Notes...
5402018-03-01T19:31:00  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a4a5fc7 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #12546: [docs] Minor improvements to Compatibility Notes...
5412018-03-01T19:31:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12546: [docs] Minor improvements to Compatibility Notes (master...patch-3) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12546
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5432018-03-01T19:33:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 closed pull request #12180: scripted-diff: change kB to kvB, kilobyte to kilovbyte for transaction fee rate things (master...use-vbytes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12180
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5452018-03-01T19:43:35  <jtimon> I guess "weight / 4" is more confusing than "virtual size"
5462018-03-01T19:48:14  <wumpus> yes
5472018-03-01T19:48:47  <wumpus> and even if you explain how it is computed, you'd still need to mention the term
5482018-03-01T19:48:50  <sipa> i wish we just everyone changed 'size' to mean vsize
5492018-03-01T19:48:54  <sipa> *everywhere
5502018-03-01T19:49:07  <sipa> but it's probably too late for that
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5522018-03-01T19:51:42  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a4a5fc7c17cd...90a0aed51194
5532018-03-01T19:51:42  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 19ac86e Alin Rus: Remove useless string initialization.
5542018-03-01T19:51:43  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 90a0aed Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #12182: Remove useless string initializations...
5552018-03-01T19:52:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #12182: Remove useless string initializations (master...remove_useless_string_init) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12182
5562018-03-01T19:54:06  <wumpus> sipa: that would be the neatest solution, just have 'size' interpreted as 'vsize' everywhere
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5582018-03-01T19:54:35  <Randolf> wumpus and jtimon:  PR #12501 has been rebased, and I wrote a comment to @dooglus explaining where we're at.
5592018-03-01T19:54:37  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12501 | [qt] Improved "custom fee" explanation in tooltip by randolf · Pull Request #12501 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
5602018-03-01T19:55:40  <Randolf> sipa:  I wonder if it might be helpful to have a glossary of terms included in a separate file.
5612018-03-01T19:59:04  <wumpus> it would be something to put in the UI user documentation, if we had any :)
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5632018-03-01T20:03:14  <Randolf> I suppose bits and pieces could be put together at first, and then later formed into a proper document.
5642018-03-01T20:03:55  <Randolf> I guess there would be two documentation files -- one for bitcoind, and the other for the GUI.
5652018-03-01T20:04:21  <Randolf> Or perhaps they should just be separate chapters to avoid overlap.
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5672018-03-01T20:06:49  <rex_4539> Are you interested in a PR about fixing all the potential typos in the source code? I could go through all the source code, fix all typos, and squash to a single commit. If you are interested, let me know if you want me to fix all typos (comments and readable messages) or just a particular type. I have already fixed them in Zcash and Monero projects.
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5712018-03-01T20:12:22  <Randolf> rex_4539:  How does one fix "potential typos?"
5722018-03-01T20:12:40  <Randolf> Fixing existing typos is always welcome.
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5742018-03-01T20:13:46  <rex_4539> Very tedious work, I can assure you :) Not a developer but willing to help in any capacity I can.
5752018-03-01T20:13:54  <Randolf> That's fantastic.
5762018-03-01T20:13:57  <Randolf> My suggestion is this...
5772018-03-01T20:14:22  <Randolf> Do all the corrections in documentation in one PR, and do all the corrections in source code in another PR.
5782018-03-01T20:14:34  <Randolf> That is, if you want to keep the number of PRs down to a minimum.
5792018-03-01T20:14:47  <Randolf> You're also welcome to break them apart into smaller PRs if you like.
5802018-03-01T20:15:28  <Randolf> One of the advantages of smaller PRs is that it's easier to get them reviewed and merged.
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5822018-03-01T20:20:16  <rex_4539> The good thing with typos is that they are extremely trivial to review. Shouldn't take more than 5 minutes for the whole Bitcoin project.
5832018-03-01T20:21:00  <Randolf> Your contributions are most certainly welcome.  :)
5842018-03-01T20:21:34  <Randolf> Please feel free to connect with me on GitHub as well:  https://www.github.com/randolf
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5862018-03-01T20:22:50  <rex_4539> Do you want me to fix also comments or just readable messages?
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5912018-03-01T20:24:12  <Randolf> rex_4539:  That's entirely up to you as this is a volunteer effort after all.
5922018-03-01T20:24:33  <jcorgan> PRs with changes that are scattered through the code, like typo fixes, can sometimes make other PRs need rebasing (if merged)
5932018-03-01T20:25:36  <rex_4539> I'm asking because each team works differently. Zcash team was happy to have all fixed, Monero wanted just readable comments.
5942018-03-01T20:25:51  <rex_4539> *messages
5952018-03-01T20:26:00  <Randolf> rex_4539:  Oh, I see.  All fixes are welcome.
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5972018-03-01T20:26:37  <rex_4539> Don't worry, I will not touch typos in the actual code, just comments and readable messages.
5982018-03-01T20:27:11  <Randolf> jcorgan:  Does it make a difference if the changes are in a very small number of very large PRs, or if the changes are in a lot of smaller PRs?
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6012018-03-01T20:28:17  <rex_4539> In my experience in the 2 previous projects, they wanted one big BR because each separate PR was using the CI machines all the time :P
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6032018-03-01T20:28:52  <jcorgan> i think there's a way to comment your PR so it gets ignored by CI, don't remember
6042018-03-01T20:29:45  <jcorgan> appropriate for doc only changes, but not for code comments, as you might accidentally break syntax
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6062018-03-01T20:31:27  <Randolf> Oh, I'd like to know how to comment my PR to prevent the CI checks.  That would reduce system resource load then.
6072018-03-01T20:31:47  <jcorgan> but i wouldn't worry so much about it now, i'd focus on getting the work done and submit a single PR for it, then if it needs breaking into multiple ones it will come out in the review
6082018-03-01T20:32:05  <rex_4539> I think there is a rollup command for the bot.
6092018-03-01T20:32:11  <Chris_Stewart_5> isn't travis 'free' for open source projects?
6102018-03-01T20:32:24  <Randolf> I still think it would be good to separate documentation updates from code/comment updates into two PRs though, at least.
6112018-03-01T20:32:29  <jcorgan> free, but capacity limited and might only run one job at a time
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6132018-03-01T20:32:49  <jcorgan> agree on code/comment and doc separation
6142018-03-01T20:33:10  <Randolf> Chris_Stewart_5:  For doc-only PRs that I've been submitting, if I knew I could do something to prevent unnecessary resource usage, I would have been happy to do it.
6152018-03-01T20:33:21  <rex_4539> Sure, 2 separate PRs it is then. Will get to it in a couple of days.
6162018-03-01T20:33:28  <Randolf> rex_4539:  Wow, thank you!
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6182018-03-01T20:35:24  <jcorgan> another general purpose consideration for pull requests is that independent things don't get combined into one request, as the maintainer can't selectively merge one or the other
6192018-03-01T20:36:17  <jcorgan> anyway, just some thoughts from experience as a maintainer elsewhere, carry on :-)
6202018-03-01T20:36:25  <rex_4539> Yes, but maintainer can comment on the ones he disagrees and I can revert those commits.
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6222018-03-01T20:37:03  <jcorgan> in general, the less work the maintainer and reviewers need to do, the more likely it is to get merged
6232018-03-01T20:37:27  <Randolf> That's why I suggested smaller PRs.
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6252018-03-01T20:41:40  <eklitzke> I found a bug in GCC 8.0 (not yet stable) as a result of that prevector optimization, https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=84656
6262018-03-01T20:43:48  <wumpus> I agree with jcorgan
6272018-03-01T20:43:57  <wumpus> eklitzke: congrats on finding a gcc bug
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6292018-03-01T20:46:09  <Randolf> Chris_Stewart_5:  Apparently the [ci-skip]"
6302018-03-01T20:46:46  <Randolf> Chris_Stewart_5:  Apparently, including the text "[ci-skip]" (without the quotation marks) in a PR's message will prevent Travis-CI from attempting a build.
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6322018-03-01T20:47:36  <Randolf> rex_4539:  You may want to include this text in your doc-only PRs to prevent the build process:  [ci-skip]
6332018-03-01T20:47:49  <Randolf> rex_4539:  When changing comments, you should still let the build occur.
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6352018-03-01T20:50:30  <wumpus> I found a clang bug once: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/secp256k1/issues/445
6362018-03-01T20:51:33  <eklitzke> your bug is a lot more interesting than mine
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6382018-03-01T20:56:10  <rex_4539> Randolf, is it [ci-skip] [ci skip] or [skip ci]? Found all cases in GitHub :P
6392018-03-01T20:56:24  <rex_4539> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/e3a820751f11b3b30ac19d8118df3e755132e470
6402018-03-01T20:56:31  <rex_4539> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7658
6412018-03-01T20:56:51  <Randolf> Someone in the #travis channel just indicated to me that it's this:  [ci-skip]
6422018-03-01T20:57:05  <Randolf> If they all work (which would be good), then it doesn't matter.
6432018-03-01T20:59:09  <Randolf> I suggest using the in-comment style that in PR #7658 instead of including it in the PR's title -- keeping those titles simple is generally encouraged, and they're also limited in size anyway as far as I know.
6442018-03-01T20:59:11  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/7658 | Add curl to Gitian setup instructions by btcdrak · Pull Request #7658 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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6632018-03-01T22:06:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] dooglus opened pull request #12580: Show a transaction's virtual size in its details dialog (master...show_vsize) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12580
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6782018-03-01T23:00:34  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #10040: wallet: use headers chain for anti fee sniping (master...patch) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10040
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