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 62 2018-03-24T04:22:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #12412: Enable spectre mitigations when supported by compiler. (master...spectre-mitigation) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12412
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 70 2018-03-24T04:53:37  <midnightmagic> Uh
 71 2018-03-24T04:54:00  <midnightmagic> Who was it who built a new block parser? I know of znort's but there was a new one I saw very recently ..  was it achow101 ?
 72 2018-03-24T04:54:17  <achow101> block parser?
 73 2018-03-24T04:54:34  <midnightmagic> yea, a raw interface to dump the contents of on-disk block .dat files.
 74 2018-03-24T04:54:40  <achow101> I have one that I use personally, it shouldn't be public
 75 2018-03-24T04:54:49  <midnightmagic> oh.
 76 2018-03-24T04:55:11  <midnightmagic> In that case, there was one I saw on github-- and I'm presuming it wasn't you, then. :)
 77 2018-03-24T04:55:54  <achow101> I recently put it on github and may have accidentally not made it a private repo
 78 2018-03-24T04:56:55  <achow101> midnightmagic: maybe you're thinking of https://github.com/alecalve/python-bitcoin-blockchain-parser
 79 2018-03-24T04:57:11  <achow101> or blocksci?
 80 2018-03-24T04:57:25  <midnightmagic> I believe it was written in C++ or C.
 81 2018-03-24T04:57:38  <midnightmagic> -- which is why I was so happy with it, since I'd been relying on znort's for a long time.
 82 2018-03-24T04:58:05  <achow101> https://github.com/citp/BlockSci
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 84 2018-03-24T05:03:06  <midnightmagic> hrmm..  doesn't look familiar.
 85 2018-03-24T05:03:10  <midnightmagic> thanks though!
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 88 2018-03-24T05:08:01  <midnightmagic> achow101: I think I may have been misremembering this: https://github.com/rustyrussell/bitcoin-iterate/blob/master/doc/bitcoin-iterate.1.txt  But thanks for the blocksci pointer!
 89 2018-03-24T05:08:05  <midnightmagic> \o
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113 2018-03-24T07:10:38  <intcat> in bitcoin core, are RBF transactions that are replaced removed entirely from the mempool? or are they kept around until either one confirms?
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119 2018-03-24T07:37:10  <Varunram> intcat: the idea is that if a miner sees a higher tx fee, he is more likely to pick it up, so yeah, they are around until either one confirms
120 2018-03-24T07:39:53  <intcat> Varunram: im asking about the original (lower fee) tx; replacement implies that this one is removed (to make place for the higher fee tx) but i am not sure if it's possible to do that deterministically
121 2018-03-24T07:53:42  <sipa> h
122 2018-03-24T07:54:15  <sipa> intcat: the mempool tries to represent a node's best guess for what will be confirmed
123 2018-03-24T07:56:04  <intcat> sipa: so only one of the options is kept?
124 2018-03-24T07:56:28  <sipa> yes
125 2018-03-24T07:56:41  <sipa> the mempool is always internally consistent
126 2018-03-24T07:56:52  <sipa> it never contains conflicting transactions
127 2018-03-24T07:57:19  <sipa> for the purposes of fast block relay (bip 152), the old version is kept around for a short period of time, though
128 2018-03-24T07:58:31  <Varunram> thanks for correcting my understanding :)
129 2018-03-24T07:59:18  <intcat> hmm
130 2018-03-24T08:00:12  <intcat> i see, thanks for answering
131 2018-03-24T08:00:26  <intcat> i suppose the mempool should just not be expected to be deterministic in the first place :P
132 2018-03-24T08:05:14  <intcat> sipa: one followup; is an exception made for wallet transactions? listtransactions has an (undocumented) 'walletconflicts' return value
133 2018-03-24T08:12:51  <intcat> (i am asking in the context of setting up a system that reactively CPFPs to an attempted double-spend via RBF)
134 2018-03-24T08:13:21  <intcat> (although reading the RBF BIP more closely it seems that this may not work as there is no way to undo a RBF)
135 2018-03-24T08:14:00  <sipa> intcat: you can have wallet transactions that aren't in the mempool
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137 2018-03-24T08:15:29  <intcat> that makes sense
138 2018-03-24T08:17:20  <sipa> in general the wallet is independent from the rest of the node
139 2018-03-24T08:17:48  <sipa> anything else would be a privacy leak
140 2018-03-24T08:18:06  <sipa> if the node's operation would depend on whether transactions are yours or not
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142 2018-03-24T09:32:58  <intcat> sipa: yes, i am aware of that :) but i had figured it the other way around - node keeps all RBF "alternatives"
143 2018-03-24T09:33:42  <intcat> will have to think more on this; the problem i am trying to figure out is if there is incoming RBF tx A0, and the sender doublespends as A1, i would want to build a CPFP tx B0 on top of A0 to "RBF back"
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145 2018-03-24T09:34:11  <intcat> i will have to do some testing but from my current reading of RBF policy this doesnt seem possible
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147 2018-03-24T09:35:55  <arubi> what does RBF has to do with it?
148 2018-03-24T09:36:24  <arubi> rbf doesn't mean "double spending enabled".  you might as well run this "cpfp back" thing on any incoming transaction
149 2018-03-24T09:38:19  <intcat> arubi: i mean if i get an incoming rbf-enabled tx, and later my nodes sees a doublespend using the rbf feature, i want to react to it
150 2018-03-24T09:38:50  <intcat> i am not saying doublespends are the only use of rbf, but they are something to consider
151 2018-03-24T09:41:11  <arubi> why only consider double spending of rpf enabled transactions?  it can happen even without rbf
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153 2018-03-24T09:42:59  <intcat> arubi: because i wont see them, because they are not usually propagated
154 2018-03-24T09:43:35  <intcat> can't react to what i can't see, unfortunately
155 2018-03-24T09:47:51  <arubi> so I don't understand, you said it yourself, by policy A0 has been replaced with A1, now how would B0 build on top of A0 if it's gone?
156 2018-03-24T09:48:22  <intcat> arubi: because reality is relative and decentralized
157 2018-03-24T09:48:55  <intcat> A0 is not absolutely gone
158 2018-03-24T09:49:05  <intcat> just relatively gone from the perspective of rbf-respecting nodes
159 2018-03-24T09:49:38  <arubi> sure you could relay A0 and B0 again, but these same nodes will be the same ones who will not propagate a double spend at all
160 2018-03-24T09:50:17  <intcat> my intent is to re-replace A1 with A0 through B0's CPFP
161 2018-03-24T09:50:42  <intcat> current bitcoin core policy does not facilitate that - i think. i mean to test this but now have to run
162 2018-03-24T09:51:32  <arubi> right, it shouldn't allow replacing an RBF'ed tx with its previous lower fee version.   cheers, later
163 2018-03-24T09:53:09  <intcat> arubi: one more thought - if A0 and B0 were already propagated, A1 would need to "bid higher" than the accumulated fees of A0 and B0, so in that case, the A1 of my scenario would not replace A0 and B0 because they have higher combined fee
164 2018-03-24T09:53:22  <intcat> so it's a question of which tx out of A1 and B0 arrives first in rbf-respecting nodes
165 2018-03-24T09:53:38  <intcat> imho the logic should be more RBAF - replace by accumulative fee
166 2018-03-24T09:53:39  <arubi> you can assume that if A1 arrived to you, then it arrived to most nodes
167 2018-03-24T09:54:08  <arubi> rbAf would allow for double spending too, if the double spender cpfp's instead of the defender
168 2018-03-24T09:54:44  <intcat> sure, but at least the defender is able to defend
169 2018-03-24T09:54:55  <intcat> it can go back and forth, i guess
170 2018-03-24T09:55:06  <intcat> but rbf as-is does not have a "defender" at all because they cannot defend
171 2018-03-24T09:55:19  <intcat> anyway really have to run now! thanks for the discussion :)
172 2018-03-24T09:55:20  <arubi> I don't think it's realistic to consider such a scenario anyway.  it's the reason we wait for confirmations before providing goods
173 2018-03-24T09:55:27  <arubi> cya :)
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192 2018-03-24T12:12:02  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/02b7e8319aef...b43aba89e356
193 2018-03-24T12:12:02  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bc308ba Karl-Johan Alm: [CI]: bump travis timeout for make check to 50m
194 2018-03-24T12:12:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b43aba8 MarcoFalke: Merge #12772: [CI]: bump travis timeout for make check to 50m...
195 2018-03-24T12:12:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #12772: [CI]: bump travis timeout for make check to 50m (master...bump_travis_timeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12772
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197 2018-03-24T12:17:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b43aba89e356...7466a26cab5d
198 2018-03-24T12:17:42  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 30d1a0a Jim Posen: Docs: Improve documentation on standard communication channels...
199 2018-03-24T12:17:42  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7466a26 MarcoFalke: Merge #12760: Docs: Improve documentation on standard communication channels...
200 2018-03-24T12:18:34  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #12760: Docs: Improve documentation on standard communication channels (master...communication-channels) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12760
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217 2018-03-24T14:08:31  <Chris_Stewart_5> Segwit txs don't require nVersion on the transaction to be set to anything do they?
218 2018-03-24T14:11:23  <Chris_Stewart_5> the two version bytes are after the nVersion on the tx?
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339 2018-03-24T21:08:17  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #12633: Reserve 16 bits of nversion in blockheader (master...reservedbits) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12633
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358 2018-03-24T22:22:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jakubtrnka opened pull request #12774: Issue #10542 Signmessage doesn't work with segwit addresses (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12774
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370 2018-03-24T23:40:02  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Christewart opened pull request #12775: Integration of property based testing into Bitcoin Core (master...rapidcheck_build) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12775
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