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 192018-07-16T01:54:28  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13652 | rpc: Fix that CWallet::AbandonTransaction would leave the grandchildren, etc. active by Empact · Pull Request #13652 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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 322018-07-16T03:22:37  <grafcaps> ]/5
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 342018-07-16T03:28:01  <sipa> agree
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 542018-07-16T06:24:08  <wumpus> it appears to be only one test in test_bitcoin failing but if inlining is unreliable who knows what other things could go wrong
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 562018-07-16T06:24:33  <wumpus> as this is solved with newer gcc, we need a newer gcc, but that's not feasible with the current gitian toolchain setup
 572018-07-16T06:24:52  <wumpus> (unless ubuntu upgrades their compiler but my feeling is that is unlikely)
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 592018-07-16T06:38:08  <wumpus> also maybe by then I have my own hifive unleashed board to test with instead of qemu
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 642018-07-16T07:28:53  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] LeandroRocha84 opened pull request #13674: Qt: Fix for bitcoin-qt becoming unresponsive during shutdown (issue #13217) (master...qt-shutdown-13217) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13674
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 812018-07-16T08:51:58  <harding> wumpus: ah, ok.  Thanks for the answer, and for working on it.  :-)
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1052018-07-16T10:45:24  <fanquake> wumpus / sipa Would either of you be able to merge #13171 when you're around next?
1062018-07-16T10:45:25  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13171 | Change gitian-descriptors to use bionic instead by ken2812221 · Pull Request #13171 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1072018-07-16T10:49:31  <wumpus> sure
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1092018-07-16T10:50:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c0f1569557ec...19d8ca5cc1d1
1102018-07-16T10:50:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c1afe32 Chun Kuan Lee: Change gitian-descriptors to use bionic instead
1112018-07-16T10:50:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 19d8ca5 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13171: Change gitian-descriptors to use bionic instead...
1122018-07-16T10:51:03  <fanquake> wumpus thanks
1132018-07-16T10:51:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13171: Change gitian-descriptors to use bionic instead (master...gitian) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13171
1142018-07-16T10:53:06  <fanquake> wumpus #13644 Also close to ready, if you want to take a look. After that there should only be 13652 left for 0.16.2
1152018-07-16T10:53:08  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13644 | 0.16: Remaining backports for 0.16.2 by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #13644 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1162018-07-16T10:54:25  <fanquake> I might add the to the high priority list, as I think we want to get 0.16.2 out before 0.17 rc, or is that not a concern?
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1192018-07-16T11:01:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #13643: Switch to NSIS 3.03 to avoid DLL hijacking (master...nsis-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13643
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1222018-07-16T11:08:29  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c64cc1b Mason Simon: scripted-diff: Fix references to share/rpcuser (now share/rpcauth)...
1232018-07-16T11:08:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 171b03d MarcoFalke: Merge #13664: Trivial: fix references to share/rpcuser (now share/rpcauth)...
1242018-07-16T11:09:17  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #13664: Trivial: fix references to share/rpcuser (now share/rpcauth) (master...update-rpcuser-references) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13664
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1312018-07-16T11:42:37  <wumpus> fanquake: I agree, though there's still some time after the feature freeze until rc1
1322018-07-16T11:46:23  <fanquake> wumpus np
1332018-07-16T11:46:33  <fanquake> #13298 also looks ready.
1342018-07-16T11:46:36  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13298 | Net: Bucketing INV delays (1 bucket) for incoming connections to hide tx time by naumenkogs · Pull Request #13298 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1352018-07-16T11:46:45  <MarcoFalke> I think we can get #13644 in and do an rc1
1362018-07-16T11:46:48  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13644 | 0.16: Remaining backports for 0.16.2 by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #13644 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1372018-07-16T11:47:08  <MarcoFalke> release notes and the potential missing wallet backport can be done later
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1422018-07-16T11:56:33  <fanquake> MarcoFalke Sounds good. You managed to pull quite a few more backports out of master!
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1452018-07-16T12:01:49  <MarcoFalke> heh, yeah. Most of them are just test fixups, and some people complained that the tests were broken on .16
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1652018-07-16T12:50:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13644: 0.16: Remaining backports for 0.16.2 (0.16...Mf1804-16Backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13644
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1682018-07-16T12:53:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/171b03de065d...17943f77bda2
1692018-07-16T12:53:56  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 89e70f9 Ben Woosley: Fix that CWallet::AbandonTransaction would only traverse one level...
1702018-07-16T12:53:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 17943f7 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13652: rpc: Fix that CWallet::AbandonTransaction would leave the grandchildren, etc. active...
1712018-07-16T12:54:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13652: rpc: Fix that CWallet::AbandonTransaction would leave the grandchildren, etc. active (master...fix-abandon-transaction) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13652
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1902018-07-16T13:38:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.16: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/20461fc272516253ea077c5a80e4f600ce5c3542
1912018-07-16T13:38:54  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.16 20461fc Ben Woosley: Fix that CWallet::AbandonTransaction would only traverse one level...
1922018-07-16T13:42:49  <wumpus> going to tag 0.16.2rc1 in a bit
1932018-07-16T13:51:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.16: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/63daa10015e3afad7d6560ec6bea689af4f8b471
1942018-07-16T13:51:46  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.16 63daa10 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Clean out release notes for 0.16.2
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1972018-07-16T13:57:19  <wumpus>  * [new tag]                                                                           v0.16.2rc1 -> v0.16.2rc1
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2152018-07-16T14:56:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #13677: Remind developers that disablewallet=1 should always work (master...2018/07/disable-wallet) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13677
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2522018-07-16T16:48:19  <cfields> wumpus: looks like we missed the version bump :(
2532018-07-16T16:49:36  <sipa> for?
2542018-07-16T16:49:50  <cfields> 0.16.2
2552018-07-16T16:54:25  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theuni opened pull request #13678: build: Bump version to 0.16.2 (0.16...0.16bump) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13678
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2662018-07-16T17:34:42  <gmaxwell> kallewoof: 12257 looks close to me, but you have some nits outstanding.
2672018-07-16T17:39:14  <sipa> github down :(
2682018-07-16T17:39:49  <cfields> yep
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2702018-07-16T17:41:23  <instagibbs> RIP
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2732018-07-16T17:53:34  <SopaXorzTaker> This is a question about core dev, feel free to kick me if offtopic: when is bitcoin moving away from GitHub?
2742018-07-16T17:54:46  <sipa> that's a pretty loaded question
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2762018-07-16T17:58:16  <provoostenator> SopaXorzTaker: there's some discussion here #13411
2772018-07-16T17:58:19  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13411 | Moving to self-hosted issue and patch management · Issue #13411 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHubAsset 1Asset 1
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2792018-07-16T18:01:42  <TD-Linux> it's back up but "frozen"
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2822018-07-16T18:19:55  <sipa> TD-Linux: how so?
2832018-07-16T18:20:06  <TD-Linux> read only, can't comment or merge prs
2842018-07-16T18:20:11  <sipa> oh.
2852018-07-16T18:20:16  <sipa> that explains :(
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3142018-07-16T20:26:53  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa closed pull request #13298: Net: Bucketing INV delays (1 bucket) for incoming connections to hide tx time (master...delay_per_net_group) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13298
3152018-07-16T20:27:02  <gmaxwell> \O/
3162018-07-16T20:27:28  <sipa> We probably want a short release note about that
3172018-07-16T20:28:14  <gmaxwell> It would be good if it were drafted in a way so as to not encourage hypochondriacs.
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3232018-07-16T20:52:30  <gmaxwell> achow101: 13666 tests fail now
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3252018-07-16T20:52:37  <gmaxwell> (says travis)
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3302018-07-16T21:04:53  <achow101> gmaxwell: I know. windows build is failing but I have no idea why
3312018-07-16T21:05:35  <gmaxwell> Must be a diabolical plan on the part of github's new owners to promote Linux.
3322018-07-16T21:09:38  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #13679: Initialize m_next_send_inv_to_incoming (master...201807_init_atomic) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13679
3332018-07-16T21:15:47  <promag> git remote update hangs?
3342018-07-16T21:16:48  <promag> nm..
3352018-07-16T21:22:32  <promag> Why travis didn't run for #13667?
3362018-07-16T21:22:34  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13667 | wallet: Fix backupwallet for multiwallets by domob1812 · Pull Request #13667 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3372018-07-16T21:27:10  <achow101> promag: github had some problems earlier today so some travis builds may not have been triggered due to that
3382018-07-16T21:28:12  <promag> ty
3392018-07-16T21:33:18  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f8d470e24606...0568dcd67d34
3402018-07-16T21:33:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 347b4ff Pieter Wuille: Initialize m_next_send_inv_to_incoming
3412018-07-16T21:33:19  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0568dcd MarcoFalke: Merge #13679: Initialize m_next_send_inv_to_incoming...
3422018-07-16T21:34:23  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #13679: Initialize m_next_send_inv_to_incoming (master...201807_init_atomic) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13679
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3562018-07-16T22:39:18  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jamesob opened pull request #13680: [doc] Remove outdated comment about miner ignoring CPFP (master...2018-07-cpfp-doc-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13680
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3602018-07-16T22:55:28  <gmaxwell> achow101: Murch: In coinselection / effective rate discussion, has there been any talk about handing the effective value of unconfirmed coins?  In particular, I think we should lower the effective value of unconfirmed coins whos package feerate is below our target feerate by the amount needed to bump that package to our target feerate. (and add that additional fee to our txn)
3612018-07-16T22:55:57  <gmaxwell> though this is probably complicated by sibling outputs and other things I'm not thinking of.
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3632018-07-16T22:58:10  <achow101> gmaxwell: no, we haven't considered unconfirmed coins at all
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3702018-07-16T23:37:35  <Murch> gmaxwell: I've been thinking a bit about that, but especially when you have multiple transaction outputs from a single transaction or from interdependent transactions the effective value suddenly becomes conditional on the inclusion of other transactions.
3712018-07-16T23:39:18  <Murch> It can get pretty icky.
3722018-07-16T23:40:40  <Murch> *transaction outputs
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3742018-07-16T23:41:58  <Murch> But yeah, just auto-cpfp it to the current level should be fine. Don't add extra fee if the original fee was higher anyway.
3752018-07-16T23:48:00  <phantomcircuit> there's sort of an inherent privacy issue with actually doing optimal coin selection
3762018-07-16T23:48:23  <phantomcircuit> the best information for how large we want the outputs available to spend to be is how large the outputs we've made in the past are
3772018-07-16T23:48:41  <phantomcircuit> but doing that is almost certain to be a privacy leak
3782018-07-16T23:49:57  <Murch> Yeah, actually you'd want them to be larger than that by the amount of fees you have to pay to create such outputs whereas the fees are unpredictable and the outputs you're creating change with the exchange rate.
3792018-07-16T23:50:09  <Murch> Always creating change in the s
3802018-07-16T23:50:23  <Murch> same size as the recipient amount was something I simulated and it performed rather poorly.
3812018-07-16T23:50:29  <sipa> phantomcircuit: some of the coin selection strategies take that into account by aiming for change in the same order of magnitude as the payment
3822018-07-16T23:51:22  <Murch> Avoiding change altogether is the best, and then having some sort of spread of useful sizes would actually be best.
3832018-07-16T23:51:31  <Murch> *second
3842018-07-16T23:52:18  <Murch> The thing is that we just don't know what size we'll need, because we neither know the future fee rate, nor the future exchange rate, nor the future payments we'll be making (generally)
3852018-07-16T23:54:46  <Murch> I mean, it may work when you have a large amount of traffic and the price doesn't move too much over the window of time in which you cycle through your unspent pool. But then you're generally already privacy challenged ;)