1 2018-07-18T00:30:50  <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: the sender of a compact block can include additional transactions with their message, per their own decision, in the hopes that it'll help you reconstruct the block.
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 18 2018-07-18T02:22:14  <luckydogchina> Hi, guys. I'm a new developer.
 19 2018-07-18T02:25:15  <luckydogchina> Has the lightning network been released?
 20 2018-07-18T02:29:08  <luckydogchina> What features are mainly developed now in bitcoin-core?
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 24 2018-07-18T02:47:42  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ken2812221 closed pull request #13482: Remove boost::program_options dependency (master...program_options) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13482
 25 2018-07-18T02:49:13  <sipa> kallewoof: sorry for hammering on the coin selection policy change in your PR, but I'm very concerned about this having unintended effects on fees and/or UTXO set growth
 26 2018-07-18T02:50:34  <kallewoof> sipa: Understood. I think it will have limited consequences, though. It only affects someone who has address reuse and they may end up with a minor increase in fees in return for increased privacy. They also need to enable the avoid reuse flag themselves.
 27 2018-07-18T02:51:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ken2812221 reopened pull request #13482: Remove boost::program_options dependency (master...program_options) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13482
 28 2018-07-18T02:51:27  <sipa> kallewoof: not that i suspect that anything is wrong with it, but it's just very hard to reason about the long term effects of such policy changes, so I'd really only want to make them after extensive simulations (the sort of simulations achow101 is doing for #13307)
 29 2018-07-18T02:51:31  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13307 | Replace coin selection fallback strategy with Single Random Draw by achow101 · Pull Request #13307 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 30 2018-07-18T02:55:59  <kallewoof> sipa: I'll think of alternatives to that change, but I think it will be difficult. The existing algorithms sort of only pick the lowest larger as a last effort, so they will de-prioritize the privacy increase given by the change..
 31 2018-07-18T02:56:21  <kallewoof> BnB/knapsack I mean
 32 2018-07-18T02:58:30  <sipa> kallewoof: i understand, but i expect you can up woth a dozen scenarios why the specific algorithms we're using now may be suboptimal for various goals
 33 2018-07-18T02:58:45  <sipa> *come up
 34 2018-07-18T02:59:23  <sipa> kallewoof: once we get rid of the knapsack fallback strategy i expect this will be less of a concern too
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 36 2018-07-18T02:59:39  <sipa> there is mr. coin selection
 37 2018-07-18T03:00:08  <kallewoof> sipa: Problem is, this algorithm actually makes things worse without that change. :/ We go from 'perhaps be lucky and pick two A utxo's' to 'purposefully avoid the two A utxo's because they sum to > than target'...
 38 2018-07-18T03:01:05  <kallewoof> Maybe I should focus on simulations and abandon hopes of a 0.17 merge.
 39 2018-07-18T03:01:57  <sipa> kallewoof: i had also hoped this could go in as just a simple change with limited impact that clearly can't hurt
 40 2018-07-18T03:02:23  <sipa> kallewoof: but if you need to make policy changes that seem unrelated, it looks like a potentially far more invasive thing
 41 2018-07-18T03:04:42  <sipa> i hope others chime in about this :)
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 43 2018-07-18T03:14:55  <sipa> kallewoof: i'm not sure i agree it reduces privacy in this scenario even; yes, it may prefer b,c over a,a - but it's never going to pick a,b or a,c
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 47 2018-07-18T03:32:47  <kallewoof> sipa: that's true...
 48 2018-07-18T03:33:04  <kallewoof> sipa: it doesn't reduce privacy, but it loses a potential opportunity to increase it
 49 2018-07-18T03:33:39  <kallewoof> sipa: maybe that's acceptable as a first merge, with a policy change afterwards...
 50 2018-07-18T03:35:34  <sipa> kallewoof: i expect in 0.18 the knapsack solver will be gone regardless
 51 2018-07-18T03:36:43  <kallewoof> sipa: Oh. I didn't realize this was in the knapsack solver only. I somehow thought it happened before the algo
 52 2018-07-18T03:37:55  <sipa> i didn't check; but that sort of logic sounds like the kind of hacks i expect in the knapsack solver :)
 53 2018-07-18T03:38:04  <kallewoof> Yeah.. That's because I wrote this code before the BnB merge.
 54 2018-07-18T03:38:38  <kallewoof> I'm gonna remove it from the PR for now with a potential follow-up that adds it if it seems warranted.
 55 2018-07-18T03:39:05  <sipa> sgtm; i'll review more in a couple hours
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 60 2018-07-18T04:30:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] masonicboom opened pull request #13698: doc: Document contributing a scripted diff (master...scripted-diff-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13698
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 92 2018-07-18T05:26:22  <AHemlocksLie> I'm interested in getting involved and making some contributions, but I've never worked on an open source project like this. What's the best way to jump in? How do I make sure I'm not working on something that's already got 3 other people on it? What can I do to make my work more likely to be accepted so I don't waste time accidentally going against the project?
 93 2018-07-18T05:28:01  <kallewoof> AHemlocksLie: start off reading all the docs you can find on github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin in particular the developer docs and contributor guidelines. Then look at pull requests people have made and get a feel for how the process works. To actually do something, I suggest actually using the software. You run into things you want to improve and then you work on that.
 94 2018-07-18T05:28:15  <kallewoof> If your C++ is weak, you should work on that too, of course.
 95 2018-07-18T05:29:51  <AHemlocksLie> It's rusty, but I used to be decent. Should be able to brush up again. Thanks for the info.
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120 2018-07-18T06:38:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof opened pull request #13699: contrib: correct version check (master...contrib-py-zmq-version) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13699
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127 2018-07-18T07:52:03  <wumpus> AHemlocksLie: for finding issues to start with, see https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22good+first+issue%22
128 2018-07-18T07:54:22  <fanquake> wumpus #13692 Should be mergeable
129 2018-07-18T07:54:23  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13692 | contrib: Clone core repo in gitian-build by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #13692 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
130 2018-07-18T07:56:35  <gmaxwell> kallewoof: if it's any consolation, it's better for a transaction to spend b,c  than it is for two different transactions to spend a and a,b     the 'merging' of coin paths is a lot less harmful to privacy than the splitting of it.
131 2018-07-18T07:59:29  <kallewoof> gmaxwell: Yeah, I guess that's an improvement too.
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133 2018-07-18T08:17:26  <provoostenator> sipa: thanks, I didn't realize gists don't do notifications. Maybe Microsoft can fix that :-)
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149 2018-07-18T09:57:27  <wumpus> fanquake: looks like it, thanks
150 2018-07-18T09:57:36  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c01ab133d7ae...f5d166acf909
151 2018-07-18T09:57:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa7f8a7 MarcoFalke: contrib: Clone core repo in gitian-build
152 2018-07-18T09:57:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f5d166a Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13692: contrib: Clone core repo in gitian-build...
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154 2018-07-18T09:58:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13692: contrib: Clone core repo in gitian-build (master...Mf1807-contribGitianBuild) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13692
155 2018-07-18T10:01:12  <fanquake> wumpus also #13699 and I think 13672
156 2018-07-18T10:01:14  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13699 | contrib: correct version check by kallewoof · Pull Request #13699 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHubAsset 1Asset 1
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158 2018-07-18T10:08:42  <fanquake> Also 13625 and 13633 heh
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162 2018-07-18T10:36:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #13702: Update cross compilation dependencies for Bionic, clarify depends usage (master...2018/07/bionic-depends-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13702
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189 2018-07-18T12:03:32  <fanquake> Have added #13247 to the 0.17.0 milestone, it's doc additions and a test that was split out of #13023.
190 2018-07-18T12:03:36  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13023 | Fix some concurrency issues in ActivateBestChain() by skeees · Pull Request #13023 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
191 2018-07-18T12:03:37  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13247 | Add tests to SingleThreadedSchedulerClient() and document the memory model by skeees · Pull Request #13247 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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196 2018-07-18T12:49:23  <wumpus> okay
197 2018-07-18T12:51:40  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f5d166acf909...4c6d1b9973c9
198 2018-07-18T12:51:40  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 066d297 Karl-Johan Alm: contrib: correct version check...
199 2018-07-18T12:51:41  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4c6d1b9 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13699: contrib: correct version check...
200 2018-07-18T12:52:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13699: contrib: correct version check (master...contrib-py-zmq-version) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13699
201 2018-07-18T13:04:45  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13672: Modified in_addr6 cast in CConman class to work with msvc (master...ip6castfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13672
202 2018-07-18T13:08:31  <wumpus> for 13672 I was afraid it would bring back some problems, I remember that part of the code being heavily patched and contended already, I hope it's finally ok now
203 2018-07-18T13:08:51  <wumpus> palimpsest function
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206 2018-07-18T13:18:42  <fanquake> heh. It always seems like the Windows builds/build tools can easily break, and just remain that way for some time
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210 2018-07-18T13:24:33  <wumpus> I don't think many people are building using msvc
211 2018-07-18T13:24:51  <wumpus> could be because there's not much interest in doing so, or because sipsorcery's guide is not well-known
212 2018-07-18T13:25:27  <fanquake> yep that's most of the reason I reckon, just not many people building
213 2018-07-18T13:26:05  <wumpus> at least openbsd and freebsd problems tend to be reported quickly nowadays
214 2018-07-18T13:27:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0d8d6be79119...9d26b690e758
215 2018-07-18T13:27:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 41a8c8d MarcoFalke: travis: Check that ~/.bitcoin is never created
216 2018-07-18T13:27:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fabe28a MarcoFalke: qa: Temporarily disable test that reads the default datadir location
217 2018-07-18T13:27:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9d26b69 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13687: travis: Check that ~/.bitcoin is never created...
218 2018-07-18T13:27:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13687: travis: Check that ~/.bitcoin is never created (master...Mf1709-travisHomeDirBtc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13687
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221 2018-07-18T13:51:26  <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: its no doubt long since time to implement prediction, though sadly I dont have time atm :(
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226 2018-07-18T14:30:17  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 801cb30 Samuel B. Atwood: doc: Add release notes for -printtoconsole and -debuglogfile changes...
227 2018-07-18T14:30:18  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7146672 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13625: doc: Add release notes for -printtoconsole and -debuglogfile changes...
228 2018-07-18T14:31:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13625: doc: Add release notes for -printtoconsole and -debuglogfile changes (master...printtoconsole_release_notes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13625
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237 2018-07-18T15:19:39  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/714667268713...585db54dd1ae
238 2018-07-18T15:19:40  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 417b6c1 Thomas Kerin: bitcoinconsensus: invalid flags should be set to bitcoinconsensus_error type, add test cases covering bitcoinconsensus error codes
239 2018-07-18T15:19:40  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 585db54 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13655: bitcoinconsensus: invalid flags error should be set to bitcoinconsensus_err...
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251 2018-07-18T16:21:41  <promag> is #13697 for 0.17?
252 2018-07-18T16:21:44  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13697 | Support output descriptors in scantxoutset by sipa · Pull Request #13697 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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260 2018-07-18T16:35:04  <sipa> promag: i would like it to be, but it is very late
261 2018-07-18T16:35:29  <sipa> if it's not for 0.17, it'll need to be a separate interfacs rather than replacing the existing ones
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263 2018-07-18T16:44:27  <echeveria> > 2018-07-18 16:39:53.624243 Successfully reconstructed block 00000000000000000000a34548e4384fb22321382fb3d101f1c9281813440a28 with 1 txn prefilled, 0 txn from mempool (incl at least 0 from extra pool) and 2348 txn requested
264 2018-07-18T16:44:42  <echeveria> hm. sort of feels like blocksonly=1 should unset compact blocks :)
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266 2018-07-18T16:49:35  <sipa> can anyone still access the BIP174 PR without getting a unicorn?
267 2018-07-18T16:50:02  <echeveria> 12136?
268 2018-07-18T16:52:23  <sipa> #13557
269 2018-07-18T16:52:34  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13557 | HTTP Error 502: Bad Gateway
270 2018-07-18T16:57:43  <echeveria> that's an error
271 2018-07-18T16:57:53  <echeveria> nope, now it loads.
272 2018-07-18T16:57:58  <echeveria> #13557
273 2018-07-18T16:58:07  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13557 | BIP 174 PSBT Serializations and RPCs by achow101 · Pull Request #13557 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
274 2018-07-18T17:00:28  <gmaxwell> echeveria: hm. I thought I changed it a while back to not use CB if your mempool is empty.
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276 2018-07-18T17:18:40  <wumpus> unicorns here while logged in, but not in private browsing
277 2018-07-18T17:19:30  <wumpus> ?timeline_per_page=20
278 2018-07-18T17:19:32  <wumpus> works
279 2018-07-18T17:20:25  <sipa> wumpus: oh!
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283 2018-07-18T17:28:18  <gmaxwell> sipa: another alternative, though I'd like to see it go in too, would be to mark scantoutset expiremental so we can change the interface without surprising anyone.
284 2018-07-18T17:30:34  <sipa> gmaxwell: yeah, that's an option
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288 2018-07-18T17:41:02  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #13703: 0.16.2: [doc] Bump manpages (0.16...Mf1807-16man) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13703
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300 2018-07-18T18:08:35  <promag> sipa: I'd rather merge your change for 0.17 and tag it experimental than changing API
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302 2018-07-18T18:15:21  <achow101> wumpus: is #13500 ready to be merged? has 3 utacks and is pretty simple
303 2018-07-18T18:15:23  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13500 | [wallet] Decouple wallet version from client version by achow101 · Pull Request #13500 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
304 2018-07-18T18:16:39  <sipa> promag: ...?
305 2018-07-18T18:16:55  <sipa> promag: merging my change would be changing the API
306 2018-07-18T18:17:49  <promag> sipa: it wasn't released yet
307 2018-07-18T18:19:20  <sipa> promag: oh, that's what you mean
308 2018-07-18T18:19:24  <sipa> promag: yes, that's my preference too
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310 2018-07-18T18:19:42  <promag> sipa: right
311 2018-07-18T18:19:46  <promag> :P
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315 2018-07-18T18:26:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 9 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/585db54dd1ae...b6547234616f
316 2018-07-18T18:26:23  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 41c607f Andrew Chow: Implement PSBT Structures and un/serialization methods per BIP 174
317 2018-07-18T18:26:24  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 12bcc64 Andrew Chow: Add pubkeys and whether input was witness to SignatureData...
318 2018-07-18T18:26:24  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e9d86a4 Andrew Chow: Methods for interacting with PSBT structs...
319 2018-07-18T18:26:29  <sipa> \oooooo/
320 2018-07-18T18:26:36  <achow101> yay!
321 2018-07-18T18:27:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13557: BIP 174 PSBT Serializations and RPCs (master...psbt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13557
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326 2018-07-18T18:42:27  <jimpo> Updated #12254 PR description with updated BIP 158 filter size stats. Cumulative filter size / cumulative base block size = 1.98%.
327 2018-07-18T18:42:31  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12254 | BIP 158: Compact Block Filters for Light Clients by jimpo · Pull Request #12254 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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330 2018-07-18T18:55:19  <wumpus> \\o//
331 2018-07-18T18:55:34  <wumpus> achow101: will take a look
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333 2018-07-18T18:59:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b6547234616f...4a3e8c5aa6a5
334 2018-07-18T18:59:27  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cd3f4aa Andrew Chow: Decouple wallet version from client version...
335 2018-07-18T18:59:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4a3e8c5 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #13500: [wallet] Decouple wallet version from client version...
336 2018-07-18T19:00:17  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #13500: [wallet] Decouple wallet version from client version (master...decouple-wallet-version) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13500
337 2018-07-18T19:01:24  <wumpus> gmaxwell,sipa: marking scantxoutset as experimental sounds good to me. People will initially be learning what to do with the method anyhow, there might be some other things that need to be changed based on that learning process
338 2018-07-18T19:01:35  <wumpus> (independent on whether it gets merged)
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342 2018-07-18T19:14:28  <gmaxwell> I think in general we should be more agressive at marking new RPC features expiremental, more agressive at adding them, and more agressive at removing them or changing them. :)
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345 2018-07-18T19:26:11  <wumpus> yes, true
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371 2018-07-18T20:46:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theuni closed pull request #12467: build: compile univalue as c++11 (master...fix-subconfigure-args) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/12467
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378 2018-07-18T21:40:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #13705: build: Add format string linter (master...lint-format-strings) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13705
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404 2018-07-18T23:00:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mitchellcash opened pull request #13706: doc: Minor improvements to release-process.md (master...release_process_doc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/13706
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409 2018-07-18T23:05:42  <gmaxwell> someone is calling for wumpus to be opensourced.
410 2018-07-18T23:06:39  <sipa> i believe wumpus is a physically unclonable function
411 2018-07-18T23:07:21  <gmaxwell> There have been some recent advances in cloning PUFs.
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