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 19 2018-09-04T02:16:23  <da2ce7> kanzure, is it possible for to fix the headers of the emails so that regular email clients show the original author? -  Or could it be policy that people can put their name/nym at the end of the email. I find it a frustration to work out the author of many of the mails now.
 20 2018-09-04T02:25:06  <kanzure> has this changed recently?
 21 2018-09-04T02:25:11  <achow101> da2ce7: the original author is usually in the reply-to field
 22 2018-09-04T02:26:53  <achow101> both gmail and protonmail show me "from: X via bitcoin-dev"
 23 2018-09-04T02:32:06  <da2ce7> achow101, kanzure, I worked it out, my computer had a contact card for the mailing list and then just showing than instead of the real-name. :)
 24 2018-09-04T02:32:25  <da2ce7> thankyou anyway.
 25 2018-09-04T02:35:59  <kanzure> now that we have solved the email protocol, let's move on to coinjoin
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 49 2018-09-04T08:19:17  <provoostenator> Ok, this is new... I'm getting a 500 server error for #13937
 50 2018-09-04T08:19:18  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13937 | HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
 51 2018-09-04T08:19:51  <provoostenator> (it's my rebase of #12138)
 52 2018-09-04T08:19:52  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/12138 | Track best-possible-headers by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #12138 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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 66 2018-09-04T09:41:40  <fanquake> wumpus 14140, 14135, 14129, 14128, 14094, 14013 probably all mergeable
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 77 2018-09-04T11:51:17  <fanquake> wumpus thanks. 14133 could also go in
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 88 2018-09-04T13:37:56  <as1nc> hello folks, beautiful day here in south of france, bitcoin is doing great, what else can we ask ? :) oh yeah, anyone has any tips on how I could guess what type of a addresses is used (p2sh, p2pkh..) given an xpub, ypub or zpub key ? is that even possible ?
 89 2018-09-04T13:40:34  <as1nc> given an xpubkey, i would like to know the good derivation path i should use for that key, without having the user to specify it upfront
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 92 2018-09-04T14:02:15  <BlueMatt> anyone else get a 500 trying to open #13937?
 93 2018-09-04T14:02:16  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13937 | HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
 94 2018-09-04T14:06:36  <BlueMatt> heh, I guess gribble does too
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 96 2018-09-04T14:16:39  <as1nc> same here
 97 2018-09-04T14:17:06  <michagogo> Hrm, weird, looks like I disconnected a week ago and half my channels didn't rejoin
 98 2018-09-04T14:17:47  <echeveria> michagogo: +r
 99 2018-09-04T14:17:55  <michagogo> Hm?
100 2018-09-04T14:18:35  <harding> michagogo: since the recent spam attacks about a month ago, a lot of channels now require being a registered user (+r).  If you were disconnected and don't use SASL auth, you probably weren't registered with nickserv when you reconnected.
101 2018-09-04T14:18:36  <michagogo> Was there a problem with services a week ago? Because I ID with SASL...
102 2018-09-04T14:19:01  <michagogo> Anyway
103 2018-09-04T14:19:03  <echeveria> nickserv has also been funky and was rebooted a few times.
104 2018-09-04T14:19:05  <michagogo> I may be able to get back to gitian again soon - working on migrating my VM over to my new laptop 🎉
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106 2018-09-04T14:24:09  <phantomcircuit> michagogo, services were broken and one of the servers decided to stop doing anything at all
107 2018-09-04T14:24:19  <phantomcircuit> (my connection to it got pongs but that's it)
108 2018-09-04T14:24:33  <michagogo> Heh
109 2018-09-04T14:25:03  <michagogo> In other news: It seems on Windows 10 the OS itself runs in a VM, so Virtualbox doesn't work because Hyper-V is already using the CPU's virtualization capabilities as a bare-metal hypervisor
110 2018-09-04T14:26:16  <michagogo> So I migrated the VM over to Hyper-V, converting from legacy to UEFI Secure Boot along the way
111 2018-09-04T14:26:24  <michagogo> And it seems it worked!
112 2018-09-04T14:27:12  <michagogo> (Apparently boot-repair doesn't like it when apt on the target system is configured to use localhost as a proxy)
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114 2018-09-04T14:37:38  <provoostenator> 13937 can be found here, though without PR comments: https://github.com/Sjors/bitcoin/commits/2018/08/best-header-tracking
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117 2018-09-04T14:48:12  <phantomcircuit> michagogo, windows uses hyper-v for some compatibility stuff
118 2018-09-04T14:48:25  <phantomcircuit> iirc literally runs win xp
119 2018-09-04T14:49:12  <michagogo> phantomcircuit: Huh? For what exactly?
120 2018-09-04T14:49:23  <michagogo> I thought it was for the virtualization-based security
121 2018-09-04T14:57:04  <phantomcircuit> michagogo, possibly they dont do this anymore but vista ran an entire copy of xp for binaries with the xp compatibility flag set
122 2018-09-04T14:59:02  <sipa> phantomcircuit: that was an optional component, and it was pretty much just a VM
123 2018-09-04T14:59:15  <sipa> by default it ran in a window, where had the xp desktop etc
124 2018-09-04T14:59:33  <sipa> though there was a mode that would forward the windows in the VM to the outside video
125 2018-09-04T15:01:39  <sipa> hmm, googling tells me it still exists and is more integrated now
126 2018-09-04T15:01:58  <sipa> my experience with it is from win7 iirc
127 2018-09-04T15:04:26  <phantomcircuit> sipa, i remember it being able to pull the window out of the vm and integrate it with the main ui
128 2018-09-04T15:04:40  <sipa> yeah
129 2018-09-04T15:05:22  <phantomcircuit> iirc it also had a shim to bring the local fs into the vm or something
130 2018-09-04T15:10:46  <michagogo> Anything new I should know about building?
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143 2018-09-04T17:00:20  <phantomcircuit> that reminds me, it would be nice if the integration testing ran for each commit in a pull
144 2018-09-04T17:00:48  <phantomcircuit> as it stands it's not easy to tell from a glance whether commits are themselves passing the tests
145 2018-09-04T17:06:05  <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: is your reason for asking because of the preference that every commit passes the test in order to aid bisecting? or?
146 2018-09-04T17:07:20  <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, yes
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149 2018-09-04T17:16:35  <sipa> phantomcircuit: there was some discussion about that lately; i don't remember where though
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151 2018-09-04T17:16:59  <sipa> unfortunately, it doesn't seem easy
152 2018-09-04T17:17:43  <gmaxwell> it's straight forward with jenkins and I assume other traditional ci stuff.
153 2018-09-04T17:20:37  <jamesob> phantomcircuit gmaxwell: that's going to amount to *a lot* of compute time given the amount of rebasing we do on large PRs
154 2018-09-04T17:21:21  <jamesob> we could start with `make check` for each commit, probably
155 2018-09-04T17:21:52  <phantomcircuit> in the (not to distant) past i've run into commits that simply dont build while bisecting
156 2018-09-04T17:23:36  <andytoshi> i believe `git rebase master -x make` will simply try to build ... you could disable tests and gui on this
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158 2018-09-04T17:26:46  <gmaxwell> Passing make check for each commit is likely sufficient.
159 2018-09-04T17:29:25  <phantomcircuit> indeed
160 2018-09-04T17:35:12  <sipa> andytoshi: ooh, i didn't know about rebase -x
161 2018-09-04T17:37:43  <sipa> jamesob: make check on every commit would be cool
162 2018-09-04T17:38:06  <sipa> jamesob: it could even be a separate phase, between the lint checks and the full checks
163 2018-09-04T17:49:33  <sipa> actually, that'd probably be a bad idea as we don't expect many failures in those, and they're probably even slower than the other runs
164 2018-09-04T17:49:59  <gmaxwell> make check runs a lot of weird stuff.
165 2018-09-04T17:51:07  <gmaxwell> maybe just one of the other CI tests that does the most trivial thing that involves actually starting the daemon.
166 2018-09-04T17:52:53  <sipa> but for large PRs, this will likely introduce an order of magnitude increase in delay until results are available
167 2018-09-04T17:53:13  <sipa> unless we can have one travis job for each
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179 2018-09-04T19:50:03  <michagogo> cfields: The depends source fallback is missing qt
180 2018-09-04T19:50:24  <michagogo> 0.17.0's qt, at least
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188 2018-09-04T20:12:35  <jamesob> sipa: maybe we can have another service (e.g. circleci) run checks like that out of band with travis
189 2018-09-04T20:18:55  <sipa> right
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210 2018-09-04T21:54:23  <polydin> herro?
211 2018-09-04T21:55:21  <sipa> wercome
212 2018-09-04T21:55:34  <polydin> lol
213 2018-09-04T21:55:39  <polydin> got a question about pruning
214 2018-09-04T21:56:27  <sipa> if you don't ask it, you'll never get an a swer
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216 2018-09-04T21:57:14  <polydin> i was running low on laptop space so i decided to run bitcoind prune=100000 to restrict disk space used to 100 GB
217 2018-09-04T21:57:26  <polydin> but it is incredibly slow
218 2018-09-04T21:57:39  <polydin> its been days and it still hasn't loaded
219 2018-09-04T21:58:14  <polydin> is this normal?
220 2018-09-04T21:58:25  <sipa> with pruning, disk flushing is much more frequent which can hurt performance, especially on systems with sloe i/o
221 2018-09-04T21:58:26  <echeveria> you should ask in #bitcoin.
222 2018-09-04T21:58:41  <sipa> i believe this is improved in 0.17
223 2018-09-04T21:59:11  <polydin> sipa, thanks yeah i was wondering if there was a project in there i could work on
224 2018-09-04T21:59:36  <polydin> if there was something i could work on to improve it
225 2018-09-04T21:59:51  <polydin> but i guess you guys already did it!
226 2018-09-04T22:00:20  <sipa> contributions on other issues are of course always welcome
227 2018-09-04T22:01:26  <polydin> are there any other issues you can think of that need working other than the github list?
228 2018-09-04T22:01:36  <polydin> like maybe a longer term thing to work on
229 2018-09-04T22:01:39  <echeveria> polydin: there's a tag for low hanging, get started fruit.
230 2018-09-04T22:02:00  <echeveria> polydin: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/labels/good%20first%20issue
231 2018-09-04T22:02:04  <polydin> echeveria, ok thanks i guess i can just check that out
232 2018-09-04T22:02:29  <echeveria> polydin: just hanging around here, there's often small tasks commented on
233 2018-09-04T22:03:16  <polydin> echeveria, sorry could you rephrase that last sentence, not clear to me?
234 2018-09-04T22:03:59  <sipa> polydin: it's useful to just hang out in this irc channel
235 2018-09-04T22:04:01  <echeveria> polydin: many times in this channel, people will have suggestions about things that don't make it into issues. there's frequent opportunities to get your teeth into the code.
236 2018-09-04T22:04:34  <sipa> also, getting familiar with the project, the source code, and its workflows takes time
237 2018-09-04T22:05:03  <sipa> having a specific project is a good way to get going, but getting proficient takes time
238 2018-09-04T22:05:05  <polydin> sipa, i know, i've honestly spent so much time reading the code but it seems like i'm better off just contributing to get into hte workflow
239 2018-09-04T22:06:07  <polydin> i will start off with the low hanging fruit and build up to a project, thank you so much for your help!
240 2018-09-04T22:06:15  <echeveria> polydin: you're invited to message me privately, or ask me on #bitcoin any questions you have about getting started.
241 2018-09-04T22:06:38  <echeveria> or here, but this channel isn't great for in depth discussion.
242 2018-09-04T22:06:52  <polydin> echeveria, thanks so much!
243 2018-09-04T22:07:01  <polydin> is this channel more for just updates about specific PRs and such?
244 2018-09-04T22:07:45  <sipa> polydin: no, this channel is about development of bitcoin core
245 2018-09-04T22:08:09  <polydin> ok got it, again thanks guys
246 2018-09-04T22:08:25  <echeveria> it's just meant to be somewhat low volume so people can kept up with the logs (I've made a point of reading the logs, even if I haven't been here), but not restricted to PR discussion.
247 2018-09-04T22:08:27  <sipa> if you have questions about the code, specific PRs, workflow, ... feel free to ask here
248 2018-09-04T22:08:50  <sipa> but not general discussion on bitcoin or usage
249 2018-09-04T22:09:38  <echeveria> or how to pronounce sipa's name.
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259 2018-09-04T22:38:12  <michagogo> Ooh, 0.17 builds on bionic?
260 2018-09-04T22:38:13  <michagogo> Cool
261 2018-09-04T22:38:40  * michagogo runs make-base-vm and heads towards bed
262 2018-09-04T22:44:06  <achow101> michagogo: no guarantee that that's gonna work
263 2018-09-04T22:44:25  <achow101> supposedly kvm stil doesn't work, even with the new vm-builder
264 2018-09-04T22:44:36  <michagogo> Hmm?
265 2018-09-04T22:44:43  <michagogo> That doesn’t sound promising
266 2018-09-04T22:44:48  <michagogo> Though I’m using local
267 2018-09-04T22:44:53  <michagogo> lxc
268 2018-09-04T22:46:11  <michagogo> Wait, does gitian lxc still use vmbuilder and convert, or did it get changed to make it better?
269 2018-09-04T22:46:25  <achow101> I think it uses vmbuilder
270 2018-09-04T22:46:35  <michagogo> Crap
271 2018-09-04T22:46:49  <achow101> I could be wrong
272 2018-09-04T22:46:58  <achow101> you should keep an eye on your build though
273 2018-09-04T22:47:28  <michagogo> I’ll see later (tomorrow or something) if it worked
274 2018-09-04T22:47:37  <michagogo> It’s almost 2 am here
275 2018-09-04T22:55:10  <michagogo> achow101: nope, looks like I remembered correctly
276 2018-09-04T22:55:24  <michagogo> It uses debootstrap directly
277 2018-09-04T22:56:53  <achow101> ah ok
278 2018-09-04T22:56:55  <michagogo> https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder/commit/af56f89a6acffd363c845a489ec163f0d85d30be
279 2018-09-04T22:57:12  <michagogo> Looks like it went in as a birthday gift for me :D
280 2018-09-04T23:03:49  <luke-jr> michagogo: good luck. I had to install by hand
281 2018-09-04T23:14:05  <michagogo> luke-jr: perhaps the image itself is broken, but `bin/make-base-vm —lxc —suite bionic` appears to have completed without errors
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286 2018-09-04T23:24:18  <leishman> is there a reason logs don't show up on https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev/ anymore? Is there a bot user in this channel?
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289 2018-09-04T23:27:05  <achow101> leishman: perhaps the bot wasn't able to login after freenode's recent server downtime/maintenance/whatever happened a few days ago
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292 2018-09-04T23:29:13  <michagogo> luke-jr: hrm, make-clean-vm fails, some error about lxc-init and a container name or something
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294 2018-09-04T23:31:13  <achow101> michagogo: are you using lxc 3?
295 2018-09-04T23:31:42  <michagogo> My host is xenial
296 2018-09-04T23:32:10  <achow101> what do you get from lxc-start --version
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