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 54 2018-09-17T07:03:10  <promag> should release notes about scantxoutset also include something more detailed about output descriptions?
 55 2018-09-17T07:03:32  <promag> *descriptors
 56 2018-09-17T07:03:35  <promag> or is it enough to link doc/descriptors.md?
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 65 2018-09-17T07:48:30  <hebasto> The *gui* prefix is not mentioned in the CONTRIBUTING.md. Is it valid? If "yes", what is difference between "gui" and "qt" prefixes?
 66 2018-09-17T07:51:36  <sipa> "prefix" ?
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 68 2018-09-17T08:07:44  <ken2812221_> IMO they are the same, not sure what you mean "valid".
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 74 2018-09-17T08:59:33  <jl2012> currently, if the script engine need to change the value of a stack element, it will first pop the element and push back the new one. Would it be more efficient if we directly assign the new value to stack.back(), instead of doing pop and push?
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 78 2018-09-17T09:15:03  <promag> wumpus: pls see my question above
 79 2018-09-17T09:26:42  <hebasto> sipa: I mean PR title prefix (e.g. "wallet", "docs", "trivial" and so on).
 80 2018-09-17T09:31:37  <hebasto> ken2812221_: I use term "valid" as it is used in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md#contributor-workflow Cite: "The title of the pull request should be prefixed by the component or area that the pull request affects. Valid areas as: ..."
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 86 2018-09-17T10:53:19  <wumpus> pierre_rochard: awesome!
 87 2018-09-17T10:53:57  <wumpus> promag: i'd say, link to the document, an actual, maintained, document is so much better than a description in the release notes
 88 2018-09-17T10:54:19  <wumpus> promag: we've been kind of abusing the release notes as documentation for new features but it's not something to be encouraged
 89 2018-09-17T10:54:39  <promag> wumpus: agree on that
 90 2018-09-17T10:55:11  <promag> release notes should just say, this was added/changed/removed and see /this.md for more details
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 92 2018-09-17T10:56:08  <wumpus> yes, most useful is if it has a short description of what changed, with a link for information (or, say, a command to run) for details on how to use it
 93 2018-09-17T10:56:39  <wumpus> 'refer to the RPC help for this command' is also enough for many things
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 95 2018-09-17T11:07:27  <promag> wumpus: scantxoutset is experimental so I wouldn't detail that much in the release notes
 96 2018-09-17T11:07:42  <wumpus> hebasto: you can use either; in a strict sense, gui is more general and would also other kinds of graphical interfaces than the qt one, but there are none within our source tree so it can't be a source of confusion
 97 2018-09-17T11:08:41  <wumpus> (in any case, my release-notes-pull-request-list script is smart enough to regard all these prefixes, say [qt] qt: [gui] gui: even [gui]: as the same)
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 99 2018-09-17T11:09:29  <wumpus> promag: just do mention that it's experimental, then :)
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108 2018-09-17T11:59:48  <Jmabsd> What (bignum) integer unit is used in the total work done calculation?
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114 2018-09-17T12:19:58  <hebasto> wumpus: thank you
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140 2018-09-17T14:38:43  <sipa> Jmabsd: we have arith_uint256
141 2018-09-17T14:39:23  <Jmabsd> sipa: so 256bit is always enough for the sum of all of them?
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146 2018-09-17T14:47:54  <luke-jr> I think we'd have a serious problem if it wasn't?
147 2018-09-17T14:48:13  <luke-jr> that would basically mean SHA2 is broken?
148 2018-09-17T14:48:20  <luke-jr> (completely)
149 2018-09-17T14:48:41  <sipa> Jmabsd: yes, counting to 2^128 costs more energy than boiling the earth's oceans :)
150 2018-09-17T14:49:01  <sipa> 2^256 should suffice for a while :)
151 2018-09-17T14:49:03  <luke-jr> sipa: to be fair, we're not counting :P
152 2018-09-17T14:49:18  <luke-jr> at least not by small numbers
153 2018-09-17T14:51:13  <Jmabsd> interesting.
154 2018-09-17T14:51:17  <sipa> luke-jr: well the chainwork variable is counting an estimate for how many sha256 operations have been performed
155 2018-09-17T14:51:28  <Jmabsd> up to what block height will the 256bit uint suffice? :)
156 2018-09-17T14:51:35  <Jmabsd> it *does* help that the block hash is constantly approaching zero. :)
157 2018-09-17T14:52:08  <sipa> Jmabsd: you're worrying about highly theoretical problems
158 2018-09-17T14:52:23  <luke-jr> sipa: oh, that's a good point
159 2018-09-17T14:52:51  <luke-jr> Jmabsd: forever, considering what sipa pointed out
160 2018-09-17T14:53:04  <sipa> Jmabsd: the answer could be "not within the age of the universe" if classical computation limits hold, or "milliseconds" under the existence of unbounded quantum computers
161 2018-09-17T14:53:31  <luke-jr> since it's based on target and not the block hash, even a lucky block hash wouldn't skew the estimate much
162 2018-09-17T14:53:38  <luke-jr> s/much/at all/
163 2018-09-17T14:54:32  * luke-jr wonders if the time warp attack thing would make it possible to overflow
164 2018-09-17T14:54:34  <luke-jr> probably not
165 2018-09-17T14:55:20  <sipa> no even with a tike warp attack the chainwork variable remains a truthful esrimate
166 2018-09-17T14:58:11  <mryandao> what are good ways to record timing events for specific functions in bitcoin without using events (but a clock timer) instead?
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168 2018-09-17T15:03:58  <sipa> mryandao: i don't understand; what does "recording timing events" mean?
169 2018-09-17T15:04:28  <mryandao> sorry, let me try again. Recording the time difference between the start and end of a function.
170 2018-09-17T15:05:10  <mryandao> i read chrono and then flushing it to a file is not precise.
171 2018-09-17T15:05:19  <mryandao> s/chrono/using chrono/
172 2018-09-17T15:06:45  <sipa> mryandao: we have a GetTimeMicros function
173 2018-09-17T15:06:54  <sipa> call it once before and once after
174 2018-09-17T15:07:21  <sipa> the difference is the duration in microseconds
175 2018-09-17T15:08:59  <booyah> Jmabsd: mostl likelly it would take 2258740816895212925709483946018412684403674794507657694277808676808542634 years, 30 days, 17 hours, 3 minutes and 1 second, sir
176 2018-09-17T15:20:01  <luke-jr> exactly 1 second? /s
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246 2018-09-17T19:29:55  <gmaxwell> a47344b7dceddff6c6cc1c7e97f1588d99e6dba706011b6ccc2e615b88fe4350
247 2018-09-17T19:34:21  <midnightmagic> timestamped as of 19:34-ish UTC Sep 17 2018..
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253 2018-09-17T19:59:40  <gmaxwell> midnightmagic: danke
254 2018-09-17T20:01:06  <midnightmagic> \o
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272 2018-09-17T22:32:01  <promag> sipa: jonasschnelli: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-devwiki/wiki/0.17.0-Release-notes/_compare/63aaedbdba2ce296480069a6457ba80629b25a38
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282 2018-09-17T23:22:35  <wumpus>  * [new tag]                                                                           v0.17.0rc4 -> v0.17.0rc4
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285 2018-09-17T23:44:00  <achow101> \o/
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289 2018-09-17T23:49:02  <sipa> promag: tha ks!
290 2018-09-17T23:49:26  <sipa> perhaps we can also replace part of the psbt description in the release notes with a reference to the docs
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292 2018-09-17T23:56:02  <promag> sipa: indeed, most of the psbt notes are in doc/psbt.md
293 2018-09-17T23:56:49  <sipa> i know, they were copied from there
294 2018-09-17T23:57:05  <sipa> which is fine... but 0erha0s the description in the release notes is a bit too long