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  9 2018-10-03T00:31:46  <achow101> sipa: last time I read through the base 64 stuff, I thought it dropped the padding before decoding
 10 2018-10-03T00:31:51  <achow101> I could be remembering incorrectly
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 23 2018-10-03T02:46:24  <fanquake> Currently 7 sigs each for macOS and win signed sigs
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 33 2018-10-03T04:43:16  <MarcoFalke> PSA: The hacktoberfest is going on again this year, so if anyone has programming tasks that could be solved by non-core devs, please file an issue and ask for the hacktoberfest issue label
 34 2018-10-03T04:44:08  <MarcoFalke> There will probably be a rush of whitespace fixes in the coming weeks and it would be nice if we could direct these contributors to do something useful instead.
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 41 2018-10-03T05:36:02  <instagibbs> thoughts on what the wallet should do if it doesn't know the size of the change output future spending size? Turn off bnb for coin selection?
 42 2018-10-03T05:42:04  <sipa> instagibbs: or exclude from automatic coin selection?
 43 2018-10-03T05:42:38  <instagibbs> fundrawtransaction, or siblings, where you can specify output address, is the situation, to be clear
 44 2018-10-03T05:42:47  <instagibbs> output change address*
 45 2018-10-03T05:43:09  <sipa> oh, right
 46 2018-10-03T05:43:15  <instagibbs> if you do this to say a multisig you wallet doesn't own all the keys to, you assert
 47 2018-10-03T05:43:31  <instagibbs> it underflows, then nBytes is too big :)
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 54 2018-10-03T06:53:55  <wumpus> phantomcircuit: stuck at 'done loading' tends to mean that it's validating a backlog blocks in the background, check debug.log
 55 2018-10-03T06:54:22  <wumpus> phantomcircuit: there's some interplay with cs_main locking that causes the GUI to be stuck at that point
 56 2018-10-03T06:56:33  <wumpus> I think it was fixed at some point, but might have come back... ideally, it would not show 'Done loading' before it gets its initial information from the core
 57 2018-10-03T06:58:29  <wumpus> (would be easier to do if the GUI didn't do potentially blocking calls to the core in the main loop)
 58 2018-10-03T07:04:15  <wumpus> fanquake: okay, I'll try to upload the binaries and do the rest of the release process today
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130 2018-10-03T09:26:31  <wumpus> 0.17.0 binaries up at https://bitcoincore.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.17.0/
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136 2018-10-03T10:15:32  <harding> wumpus: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/613 is ready for merge when you want to make the announcement.  (I can merge too, if you want.)
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138 2018-10-03T10:18:47  <wumpus> harding: thank you !!!
139 2018-10-03T10:20:08  <warren> FYI https://status.linuxfoundation.org/incidents/dfgswmqj3wyx   The mailing list server suffered data corruption, restored from backups and brought back online yesterday. Could somebody please check the recent archive history for missing posts? I don't know how old the backups were.
140 2018-10-03T10:20:51  <e4xit> harding: exerpt: "We're pleased the release of Bitcoin Core 0.17" -- to announce?
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145 2018-10-03T10:21:43  <harding> e4xit: indeed, thanks.  Will push a fix momentarily.
146 2018-10-03T10:22:10  <e4xit> :)
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148 2018-10-03T10:24:31  <fanquake> wumpus \o/
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151 2018-10-03T10:30:59  <wumpus> harding: e4xit: whoops
152 2018-10-03T10:31:29  <wumpus> well time for one of those typo PR I guess…
153 2018-10-03T10:33:13  <harding> Fixed now on the live site.  I need to add previewing excerpts to my proofreading checklist; I forget because they're aren't shown on the actual page I'm editing (not that looking at them guarantees I'll notice the typos).
154 2018-10-03T10:33:56  <wumpus> well don't blame yourself, we should have started reviewing it sooner
155 2018-10-03T10:37:22  <wumpus> we also didn't get the magnet link
156 2018-10-03T10:37:36  <wumpus> I'll file a PR
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158 2018-10-03T10:43:34  <harding> wumpus: sorry, and thanks.  I'll merge that now.
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160 2018-10-03T10:44:15  <wumpus> my own fault for merging it too soon
161 2018-10-03T10:45:00  <hebasto> wumpus: please remove 'temporary file' note from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/release-notes/release-notes-0.17.0.md
162 2018-10-03T10:45:10  <harding> wumpus: definitely shared fault on that one.  I should've copy/pasted my usual release checklist that mentions these things.
163 2018-10-03T10:45:29  <wumpus> hebasto: right
164 2018-10-03T10:49:46  <harding> wumpus: you create the .torrent file yourself?  That is, it's not something that's created by gitian that I could access a day or two before the release so that we don't have to make that last minute edit?
165 2018-10-03T10:51:44  <wumpus> harding: I currently create it manually using transmission-gtk; not sure if torrent files are deterministic but I think the biggest obstacle is: the torrent includes the signed SHA256SUMS.asc, we won't have that two days before the release
166 2018-10-03T10:52:14  <harding> Ah, indeed.  Oh, well then.  We still usually need to update the date anyway.
167 2018-10-03T10:53:17  <wumpus> yes, we'll just need to keep this in mind for the release checklist
168 2018-10-03T10:53:24  <wumpus> I'll add it to mine too
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179 2018-10-03T11:15:00  <wumpus> on the old bitcoin.org server there was a script that automatically generated the .torrent when all the files are in place; but I don't think that helps much, compared to uploading the torrent along with the rest of the files
180 2018-10-03T11:16:43  <wumpus> I *guess* I could sign the SHA256SUMS.asc, then generate a .torrent, as soon as I did final codesigned gitian build for a release, then upload the torrent without the actual .asc so it doesn't actually get seeded prematurely...
181 2018-10-03T11:17:29  <wumpus> but thinking of it, that won't win much time either and complicates the process
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183 2018-10-03T11:27:42  <wumpus> 71kB release notes, gah, when I grew up computers didn't even have that much *memory*
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188 2018-10-03T11:31:38  <queip> Release.txt, lines 1000-1025 ... Please insert Disk #2.  Not ready reading drive A.  Abort, Retry, Fail? _
189 2018-10-03T11:31:40  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2 | Long-term, safe, store-of-value · Issue #2 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
190 2018-10-03T11:32:13  <wumpus> *please turn around the cassette tape*
191 2018-10-03T11:33:05  <harding> The site build script could grab the .torrent file from the current release's directory and recreate the magnet URI automatically on each site rebuild, obliviating the technical need to manually paste it in.  It looks pretty easy (although this exact code has some heavyweight dependencies I'd prefer to avoid): https://gist.github.com/Burgestrand/1733611
192 2018-10-03T11:35:17  <sipa> wumpus: haahal, my first programming language was some version of gwbasic, which had 56 kB of space for variables + program code :)
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194 2018-10-03T11:37:29  <aj> harding: obviating. too much harry potter?
195 2018-10-03T11:37:41  <aj> harding: (or too much mimblewimble?)
196 2018-10-03T11:37:58  <harding> aj: probably!  (Harry Potter; Mimblewimble hurts my brain.)
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200 2018-10-03T11:45:45  <wumpus> harding: that's a better idea, though yes it's unfortunate if it drags in all kinds of stuff for the web build
201 2018-10-03T11:48:09  <queip> lol by accident discovered #2.  Gavin suggesting BTC to be good store of value.   muh narrative of that only recently thaw was added.  gmaxwell
202 2018-10-03T11:48:11  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2 | Long-term, safe, store-of-value · Issue #2 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
203 2018-10-03T11:48:47  <wumpus> heh.
204 2018-10-03T11:51:17  <wumpus> you could dig in the bitcoin talk forums and find layer after layer of the same kinds of discussions, going back to the beginning, repeated every time. Where did those 8 years go, suddenly...
205 2018-10-03T11:53:23  <wumpus> sipa: good old x86 "tiny" memory model
206 2018-10-03T11:59:27  <wumpus> harding: so from what I understand, it needs openssl only to compute a sha1 hash, and bencode to parse the torrent file and grab the info section and trackers
207 2018-10-03T12:01:16  <wumpus> and the other dependencies such as cgi for URL-encoding and assorted utility things
208 2018-10-03T12:02:42  <queip> do we need to rely on sha1 there?
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210 2018-10-03T12:13:14  <wumpus> your guess is as good as mine...
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214 2018-10-03T13:02:03  <queip> can't wait till Linus moves git over to sha2/sha3. Perhaps that should be written in his CoC.
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285 2018-10-03T20:06:59  <spinza> harding, wumpus -> make_magnet links: https://gist.github.com/spinza/bf2018a35b66b46f4ab6875fee44d32f
286 2018-10-03T20:36:40  <wumpus> spinza: great! apparently it's simpler in python; though the website generation script is in ruby, so this will be harder to integrate, I guess
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