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  6 2018-10-09T00:48:23  <meshcollider> promag: it seems like that is the only one he has commented on
  7 2018-10-09T00:48:32  <meshcollider> other than one review and one utACK on other PRs
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 15 2018-10-09T01:13:08  <phantomcircuit> jonasschnelli, i believe leveldb is designed to survive sudden power loss
 16 2018-10-09T01:13:34  <phantomcircuit> however in general the rpi series of hardware randomly corrupts sdcards
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 18 2018-10-09T01:17:56  <gmaxwell> echoing what phantomcircuit said, I left a system going on a perpetual reindex loop for months with a remote power switch killing the system every one in a while, and never corrupted anything.
 19 2018-10-09T01:18:27  <gmaxwell> but if your SD card or whatever goes spamming nonsense in unrelated places when its power cut during a write than nothing reasonable is going to save it.
 20 2018-10-09T01:19:39  <esotericnonsense> so unless i'm just being really daft one issue with RPi is that it's not obvious that it's even off.
 21 2018-10-09T01:20:13  <esotericnonsense> on my RPi2 if you issue a shutdown then the LEDs etc. externally look the same whether it's fully booted but not doing anything, or shutdown but with power connected.
 22 2018-10-09T01:20:50  <esotericnonsense> if you have say, a screen connected to i2c it'll keep power and persist whatever was displayed on it
 23 2018-10-09T01:21:52  <esotericnonsense> i wouldn't be surprised if people (including me) without even knowing pull the plug whilst it's mid-write because there is no 'simple' way of knowing you can unplug power now
 24 2018-10-09T01:22:22  <phantomcircuit> esotericnonsense, the issue with the rpi's isn't so much about sudden power off without shutdown events, but rather that during power off they seem to write gibberish to the sdcard randomyl
 25 2018-10-09T01:22:41  <esotericnonsense> nice. don't think i've ever had that but then, i wouldn't know. :P
 26 2018-10-09T01:22:56  <phantomcircuit> i've seen systems where everything was set readonly come back up with corrupt sdcards
 27 2018-10-09T01:23:19  <phantomcircuit> and yeah most of the time you wouldn't notice because it's corrupted something irrelevant
 28 2018-10-09T01:23:49  <esotericnonsense> i have zfs on an sdcard here. haven't tried scrubbing it. that might be fun. not on the rpi though. can't be arsed.
 29 2018-10-09T01:25:17  <phantomcircuit> the rpi's specifically seem to trash sdcards
 30 2018-10-09T01:25:22  <phantomcircuit> i honestly have no idea why
 31 2018-10-09T01:30:58  <gmaxwell> phantomcircuit: I dunno if that's rpi's fault as much as just SDcards being ... consumer hardware.
 32 2018-10-09T01:33:38  <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, i've had it happen with cards that were fine in other applications
 33 2018-10-09T01:33:56  <phantomcircuit> like in an apu2 as the main filesystem where i forgot to reduce the volume of log messages
 34 2018-10-09T01:34:05  <phantomcircuit> but then that card instantly failed in an rpi3
 35 2018-10-09T01:34:23  <TD-Linux> rpi runs its cards at 3.3v
 36 2018-10-09T01:34:48  <TD-Linux> so they tend to run hotter than systems that crank it down to 1.8v
 37 2018-10-09T01:34:57  <TD-Linux> that said, 3.3v is totally in spec.
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 40 2018-10-09T01:41:00  <jb55> my rpi has killed like 3 sdcards so far
 41 2018-10-09T01:43:37  <TD-Linux> it also does help to get more expensive ones in my experience.
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 44 2018-10-09T01:47:54  <tradermyx> If the "wallet/blabla.dat" part is used for a non-wallet-specific call, it will still work, right? The "documentation" is very vague on this, but I don't wanna have to keep track of what kind of call it is for no good reason.
 45 2018-10-09T01:48:09  <tradermyx> And I assume only the basename() is to be used for the "wallet name", since it can now be a path since v0.17?
 46 2018-10-09T01:48:57  <sipa> tradermyx: what do you mean with "usin" part of a wallet name on a non-wallet-sprcific call?
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 48 2018-10-09T01:50:32  <phantomcircuit> sipa, iirc bitcoin-cli accepts a -- style parameter
 49 2018-10-09T01:53:39  <tradermyx> No... Talking about the API.
 50 2018-10-09T01:53:49  <tradermyx> With the RPC URL having that added to it.
 51 2018-10-09T01:54:36  <sipa> tradermyx: all non-wallet RPCs are included in the wallet-specific URLs
 52 2018-10-09T01:55:03  <tradermyx> Good...
 53 2018-10-09T01:55:37  <phantomcircuit> ooh
 54 2018-10-09T01:55:45  <phantomcircuit> hmm maybe that's what bitcoin-cli is doing
 55 2018-10-09T01:56:26  <sipa> phantomcircuit: yes, if you specify -rpcwallet it changes the URL
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 59 2018-10-09T02:09:17  <phantomcircuit> sipa, are people still in tokyo?
 60 2018-10-09T02:11:12  <sipa> yes
 61 2018-10-09T02:11:30  <kanzure> discussing wallet stuff at the moment
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 64 2018-10-09T02:26:48  <echeveria> TD-Linux: better advice is just not to try to run bitcoind on a RPI in general, it’s a miserable experience and doesn’t really serve any purpose. coin selection alone takes tens of seconds.
 65 2018-10-09T02:27:59  <echeveria> it’s something close to a denial of service attack on the network to have people encouraged to run garbage-tier listening peers. god forbid you end up with them as your compact blocks peer.
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100 2018-10-09T04:14:28  <MarcoFalke> wumpus: I put up a draft for the next release schedule #14438
101 2018-10-09T04:14:31  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14438 | Release schedule for 0.18.0 · Issue #14438 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
102 2018-10-09T04:14:57  <MarcoFalke> Hope that works and let me know if I typoed the dates
103 2018-10-09T04:15:53  <luke-jr> I prefer 0.18, but I thought the plan was to do an 18.0?
104 2018-10-09T04:19:48  <MarcoFalke> luke-jr: See #9653 ;)
105 2018-10-09T04:19:50  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/9653 | Versioning convention for Bitcoin Core · Issue #9653 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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110 2018-10-09T05:01:49  <tradermyx> When is the 0.17 documentation coming?
111 2018-10-09T05:03:35  <luke-jr> when you add it
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114 2018-10-09T05:07:38  <provoostenator> tradermyx: you mean https://bitcoincore.org/en/doc/ ? There's a PR in progress for that, which probably needs review: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/618
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117 2018-10-09T05:34:24  <tradermyx> provoostenator: Somebody told me that it's automatically generated from the in-application help data.
118 2018-10-09T05:34:39  <tradermyx> provoostenator: Which makes me wonder why it's not up instantly and automatically after 0.17 was released.
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120 2018-10-09T05:36:42  <sipa> tradermyx: there is a tool to generate the website from the rpc output
121 2018-10-09T05:36:51  <sipa> that tool is not run automatically
122 2018-10-09T05:37:04  <sipa> it'sjsut some guy (karelb) doing it
123 2018-10-09T05:38:43  <karelb> indeed
124 2018-10-09T05:39:13  <karelb> there is a PR on bitcoincore.org now
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126 2018-10-09T05:52:03  <tradermyx> That is very strange.
127 2018-10-09T05:52:17  <tradermyx> Should be part of the "release script" or "build process" or whatever.
128 2018-10-09T05:52:45  <tradermyx> It's little things like this that makes me worried/concerned about the future of Bitcoin.
129 2018-10-09T05:52:50  <tradermyx> (Not "whining"...)
130 2018-10-09T05:53:06  <tradermyx> The actual program seems to have tons of improvements and stuff.
131 2018-10-09T05:53:22  <tradermyx> As if there are really people working to improve it.
132 2018-10-09T05:53:46  <midnightmagic> ... I wish you'd just pick a nickname and stick with it, dude.
133 2018-10-09T05:53:50  <tradermyx> It's been enormously tricky to figure out how to "integrate" with the Bitcoin Core API, though.
134 2018-10-09T05:54:06  <gwillen> tradermyx: that kind of thing is practical in a commercial envrionment where the same people have universal permissions across everything involved in making a release
135 2018-10-09T05:54:15  <gwillen> that kind of automation is not very practical in an open source release process
136 2018-10-09T05:54:17  <tradermyx> I guess.
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138 2018-10-09T05:56:17  <gmaxwell> "perform more release work in secret and without public participation, please, so that no one can see that all steps aren't executed perfectly at the same time... as the centerally adminstered reveal would make it all look atomic and instant..."
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142 2018-10-09T06:06:35  <aj> gmaxwell: ?
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144 2018-10-09T06:09:22  <karelb> tradermyx: yeah I have added the rpc docs into the release process recently.
145 2018-10-09T06:11:46  <karelb> it could maybe be automated by travis or Jenkins or something like that, maybe?
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147 2018-10-09T06:31:37  <phantomcircuit> karelb, i dont so much reason since the help is in the very tool people are trying to use
148 2018-10-09T06:32:32  <karelb> true but... sometimes people just google stuff
149 2018-10-09T06:32:36  <karelb> like me :)
150 2018-10-09T06:33:05  <karelb> I often Google stuff even if it would be simpler to just type "help" (or "man")
151 2018-10-09T06:34:11  <tradermyx> Nobody with a brain would do that.
152 2018-10-09T06:34:25  <tradermyx> Stop promoting that evil fucking company and their shitty spam generator.
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154 2018-10-09T06:34:48  <karelb> ....ok
155 2018-10-09T06:35:53  <karelb> anyway, you can also think "hmm the new bitcoind has some new PSBT API, I want to know how it looks like before I install it"
156 2018-10-09T06:36:16  <karelb> "I wonder what the new scanutxoset is about"
157 2018-10-09T06:36:17  <karelb> etc
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167 2018-10-09T07:38:10  <jamesob> is `make clean` inexplicably deleting src/test/scriptnum10.h for anyone else?
168 2018-10-09T07:40:12  <luke-jr> jamesob: already diagnosed; I think MarcoFalke and fanquake_ are fixing
169 2018-10-09T07:40:47  <fanquake_> luke-jr jamesob yea, pr shortly
170 2018-10-09T07:41:48  <jamesob> ack thanks guys
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179 2018-10-09T07:47:43  <MarcoFalke> #14440
180 2018-10-09T07:47:45  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14440 | test: Inline scriptnum10 header by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #14440 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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183 2018-10-09T07:58:31  <wumpus> MarcoFalke: thanks, will take a look
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194 2018-10-09T08:50:06  <luke-jr> can't get to the PR, but hopefully the TLS revert thing is an #if, not a real revert...?
195 2018-10-09T08:55:05  <wumpus> it's a real revert, which isalso what I commented on
196 2018-10-09T08:55:30  <wumpus> they should make the versions a range, taking into account *at which version* upstream fixed it
197 2018-10-09T08:56:15  * wumpus wonders why you can't get to the PR
198 2018-10-09T09:03:05  <luke-jr> wifi issue
199 2018-10-09T09:03:27  <luke-jr> I think resolved now
200 2018-10-09T09:05:59  <luke-jr> wumpus: btw you're not here I assume?
201 2018-10-09T09:18:48  <sipa> luke-jr: depends whether you mean 'here' in the goegraphical sense or the irc channel sense
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204 2018-10-09T09:25:29  <luke-jr> sipa: geographic ;)
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209 2018-10-09T09:42:40  <CryptoSiD> I'm unable to compile the master branch of https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin since yersterday. I'm getting the following error: http://dpaste.com/18RA6DW test/scriptnum10.h: No such file or directory
210 2018-10-09T09:42:44  <CryptoSiD> However... the file is there.
211 2018-10-09T09:44:06  <hebasto> CryptoSiD: #14440
212 2018-10-09T09:44:07  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14440 | test: Inline scriptnum10 header by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #14440 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
213 2018-10-09T09:45:43  <wumpus> I'm 'here' in neither sense, to be honest
214 2018-10-09T09:48:51  <luke-jr> >_<
215 2018-10-09T09:53:15  <wumpus> but no, couldn't come to Tokyo, unfortunately
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228 2018-10-09T11:12:05  <hebasto> why travis is still using trusty while bionic is used for gitian builds?
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231 2018-10-09T11:33:19  <wumpus> travis is using dockerizing bionic these days isn't it?
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233 2018-10-09T11:34:32  <wumpus> I think that is (but I'm not 100% sure) because travis does not offer bionic VMs directly
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246 2018-10-09T14:45:16  <promag> regarding #14445
247 2018-10-09T14:45:17  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14445 | Correct balance ? · Issue #14445 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
248 2018-10-09T14:45:44  <promag> should ask in stackoverflow instead? or ask for more details?
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274 2018-10-09T17:44:03  <tradermyx> Question: why is the wallet name specified in the actual URL in the calls to the RPC API? Why isn't it just another parameter?
275 2018-10-09T17:44:14  <tradermyx> Not that it makes a huge difference, but it's an odd design choice to me.
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302 2018-10-09T20:42:54  <phantomcircuit> wumpus, is your brain working again? :P
303 2018-10-09T20:47:06  <tradermyx> Anyone?
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311 2018-10-09T21:06:02  <phantomcircuit> tradermyx, it's not a parameter you want to explicitly specify everytime you use it
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314 2018-10-09T21:30:20  <tradermyx> phantomcircuit: But it's a dedicated function anyway?
315 2018-10-09T21:30:41  <tradermyx> phantomcircuit: AKA you never specify all the stuff each time, but only the uniqueness about the call (AKA the command and its parameters).
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318 2018-10-09T22:07:54  <phantomcircuit> tradermyx, it's so you can have an rpc connection object which knows which wallet it's using in the caller
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325 2018-10-09T22:18:27  <tradermyx> phantomcircuit: But it already knows that if I use it part of the POST parameters?
326 2018-10-09T22:18:41  <tradermyx> But alright... there is "some good reason" which I simply don't understand right now.
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328 2018-10-09T22:35:34  <sipa> tradermyx: it's so that existing applications don't need code changes; they only need to be configured to use a different url
329 2018-10-09T22:37:24  <tradermyx> I see. In my case, it would be an identical amount of work, though.
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