1 2018-11-09T00:00:11  <esotericnonsense> tell me to STFU and go elsewhere as necessary
  2 2018-11-09T00:00:40  <esotericnonsense> has anyone (other than the ABCore project) made a mobile wallet based on bitcoin core, e.g. remote?
  3 2018-11-09T00:01:19  <esotericnonsense> it's kind of obvious, but I'm realising that if I expose getnewaddress, sendtoaddress, and maybe a QR code in my interface, you have an android wallet that's backed by bitcoin core
  4 2018-11-09T00:02:35  <esotericnonsense> it seems trivial enough that someone must have already done it and realised that no-one (other than themselves personally) finds this useful?
  5 2018-11-09T00:13:21  <promag> http://blog.qt.io/blog/2018/11/08/qt-macos-10-14-mojave/ <- talks about dark mode
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  8 2018-11-09T00:26:42  <luke-jr> esotericnonsense: you shouldn't expose RPC over the internet
  9 2018-11-09T00:27:08  <esotericnonsense> luke-jr: right, don't expose RPC over the internet, expose the subset that you need through a proxy that has sanity checking
 10 2018-11-09T00:27:35  <esotericnonsense> with proper authentication (e.g. session token over TLS)
 11 2018-11-09T00:27:40  <luke-jr> esotericnonsense: it's something I've thought about for a long time
 12 2018-11-09T00:27:59  <esotericnonsense> i don't think it's ever going to be viable for like, thousands or tens of thousands of dollars, because the attack surface is too high
 13 2018-11-09T00:28:12  <luke-jr> eg https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Wallet_protocol
 14 2018-11-09T00:28:20  <esotericnonsense> or rather, I think it'd be possible to make secure, but I'm just too paranoid about every layer
 15 2018-11-09T00:29:05  <esotericnonsense> i'm kind of at the 90/10 stage where I have all the infrastructure in place, but packaging it sanely to make it something that anyone else can use is quite difficult
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 17 2018-11-09T00:33:06  <gwillen> esotericnonsense: as a practical matter I think very few people would ever use an android app that requires setting up one's own backend
 18 2018-11-09T00:33:08  <esotericnonsense> luke-jr: thanks for that link, i may have to edit it as I go if I decide to do this
 19 2018-11-09T00:33:26  <gwillen> very few people can be bothered, even technical people, and I say this as someone who runs my own mailserver
 20 2018-11-09T00:33:35  <esotericnonsense> gwillen: it'd be a webapp not android specifically, but yes, I see that being very unlikely too
 21 2018-11-09T00:34:49  <esotericnonsense> the frustrating thing is that actually if namecoin or similar took off, I think it could be packaged into a simple 'run this file and leave your computer on, then go to www.whatever.com on your phone'
 22 2018-11-09T00:35:38  <gwillen> you don't really need namecoin for service discovery, e.g. you could use IPFS
 23 2018-11-09T00:35:39  <esotericnonsense> so I'm thinking it can be made one-click on the desktop side, but end users don't have their own domain
 24 2018-11-09T00:35:51  <gwillen> "scan this QR code using your phone"
 25 2018-11-09T00:36:03  <gwillen> sorry, this is getting off-topic for this channel I fear
 26 2018-11-09T00:36:12  <esotericnonsense> yes, indeed, heh, sorry :)
 27 2018-11-09T00:36:15  <sipa> esotericnonsense: if namecoin took off, it'd be useless as a name registration mechanism :)
 28 2018-11-09T00:36:18  <esotericnonsense> anyway, i'll tinker with it myself and see where I get
 29 2018-11-09T00:38:04  <luke-jr> esotericnonsense: note that link is from 2011; it probably needs serious rethinking
 30 2018-11-09T00:39:07  <esotericnonsense> luke-jr: I think that ultimately someone would have to make a demo of it in order to actually understand what the issues are; some of the stuff in there on a quick skim seems like premature optimization
 31 2018-11-09T00:40:18  <esotericnonsense> > Cooperative mining (see below) :D
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 80 2018-11-09T03:53:53  <meshcollider> wumpus: I think #14689 is RTM already
 81 2018-11-09T03:53:55  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14689 | Require a public key to be retrieved when signing a P2PKH input by achow101 · Pull Request #14689 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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115 2018-11-09T06:38:08  <meshcollider> Marco: isn't Drahtbot supposed to update its own comment rather than post multiple times
116 2018-11-09T06:38:13  <meshcollider> MarcoFalke: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14075#issuecomment-437259799
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118 2018-11-09T06:38:59  <gwillen> meshcollider: I'm not sure what it's currently supposed to do, but my understanding was that it turned out that updating a comment still bumps the date on the issue
119 2018-11-09T06:39:08  <gwillen> so the change didn't really help in the way it was hoped it would
120 2018-11-09T06:39:43  <meshcollider> but still, it makes it difficult to read a PR thread if there are multiple Drahtbot posts with conflicts instead of just one up-to-date one
121 2018-11-09T06:39:47  <meshcollider> i think its a bug
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152 2018-11-09T08:38:07  <kabaum> I noticed that a bitcoind logs to stdout and debug.log by default instead of just debug.log as was the case at least in 0.16.0. What was the rationale behind this change?
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154 2018-11-09T08:41:21  <sipa> kabaum: it does so when running in the foreground
155 2018-11-09T08:41:29  <sipa> if you run with -daemon it doesn't
156 2018-11-09T08:41:50  <sipa> the rationale is that if you're running things on the foreground in a terminal, you probably want to see something
157 2018-11-09T08:44:08  <kabaum> Ok, I was just curious on why the default behavior changed from 0.16.0.
158 2018-11-09T08:45:49  <meshcollider> it was mentioned in the 0.17 release notes btw
159 2018-11-09T08:46:17  <kabaum> Oh, I glanced over it, but somehow it escaped me. Thanks.
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161 2018-11-09T08:49:10  <meshcollider> kabaum: and the original PR  is 12689 if you're interested
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178 2018-11-09T09:18:14  <luke-jr> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14602#pullrequestreview-173284093
179 2018-11-09T09:18:19  <luke-jr> any ideas why I can't reply to MeshCollider? :/
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181 2018-11-09T09:18:47  <meshcollider> wow that's very weird
182 2018-11-09T09:19:18  <meshcollider> luke-jr: looks like you can reply on the files tab
183 2018-11-09T09:19:48  <meshcollider> might be because I was already replying to conversation threads further up
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191 2018-11-09T09:34:16  <kallewoof> sipa: I constantly start bitcoind with '&' to do something real quick, then ^D^C to stop it. The new change made this a bit less convenient, unfortunately, but I'll live. (regarding default printtoconsole)
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193 2018-11-09T09:40:21  <sipa> why the & ?
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195 2018-11-09T09:42:17  <sipa> kallewoof: every change breaks someone's workflow: https://xkcd.com/1172/
196 2018-11-09T09:43:51  <kallewoof> sipa: i want to try some command on a new instance real quick so i do e.g. mkdir x; ./bitcoind -datadir=x -regtest &; [do stuff]; ^D^C and the instance is shutdown. I could just do './bitcoin-cli -datadir=x stop' but  ^D^C is .. shorter.
197 2018-11-09T09:44:21  <kallewoof> wait, not ^D^C, fg;^C
198 2018-11-09T09:44:50  <kallewoof> still shorter.
199 2018-11-09T09:44:52  <sipa> killall bitcoind
200 2018-11-09T09:45:19  <sipa> which also works with -daemon
201 2018-11-09T09:45:53  <kallewoof> sipa: that works most of the time but i do have several servers with an actual bitcoind mainnet full node running.
202 2018-11-09T09:51:48  <provoostenator> sipa: I'm tempted to take your "killall bitcoind" line out of context :-P
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250 2018-11-09T13:53:04  <esotericnonsense> kallewoof: do it the other way around?
251 2018-11-09T13:53:47  <esotericnonsense> e.g. make bitcoind the foreground instance
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258 2018-11-09T14:26:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ken2812221 opened pull request #14698: build: Add bitcoin-tx.exe into Windows installer (master...win-bitcoin-tx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14698
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262 2018-11-09T15:04:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 6 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e70a19e7132d...cbf00939b5e8
263 2018-11-09T15:04:15  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7e2e62c Russell Yanofsky: Add skeleton chain and client classes...
264 2018-11-09T15:04:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8db11dd Russell Yanofsky: Pass chain and client variables where needed...
265 2018-11-09T15:04:16  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ea961c3 Russell Yanofsky: Remove direct node->wallet calls in init.cpp...
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270 2018-11-09T15:22:27  <MarcoFalke> meshcollider: Yeah, sorry that multiple comments thing looks like a bug, I hope it only was this pull request that got spammed.
271 2018-11-09T15:25:04  <instagibbs> i could swear --enable-debug is way more useless than it used to be for gdb purposes (grumble grumble manually sets debug level)
272 2018-11-09T15:26:42  <MarcoFalke> instagibbs: std::cout works with any debug level ;)
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306 2018-11-09T16:38:32  <jnewbery> MarcoFalke wumpus: #14441 may be ready for merge
307 2018-11-09T16:38:34  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14441 | [wallet] Backport(0.17): Restore ability to list incoming transactions by label by jnewbery · Pull Request #14441 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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327 2018-11-09T17:53:12  <MarcoFalke> I forgot to nominate #14530 for high priority yesterday. Going to put it in now.
328 2018-11-09T17:53:15  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14530 | Use RPCHelpMan to generate RPC doc strings by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #14530 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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397 2018-11-09T20:53:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #14700: qa: Avoid race in p2p_invalid_block by waiting for the block request (master...Mf1811-qaPassOnCentOs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14700
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