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229 2018-12-07T09:53:03  <promag> IMO #14863 can go
230 2018-12-07T09:53:06  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14863 | refactor: Add and use HaveTxsDownloaded() where appropriate by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #14863 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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250 2018-12-07T10:29:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Empact opened pull request #14892: test: Extract BuildCrediting/SpendingTransaction to shared factories folder (master...factories) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14892
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267 2018-12-07T11:39:42  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Empact closed pull request #14892: [WIP] test: Extract BuildCrediting/SpendingTransaction to shared factories lib (master...factories) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14892
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281 2018-12-07T12:17:27  <provoostenator> fanquake: can you add an instruction on how to lock the Ubuntu Docker image to a specific hash? (as we do with Debian VM images, though not with LXC base images)
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305 2018-12-07T13:47:49  <CloudWater> Hi hi
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315 2018-12-07T14:00:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f8456256c8cb...f544e235563f
316 2018-12-07T14:00:05  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa4fc88 MarcoFalke: validation: Add and use HaveTxsDownloaded where appropriate
317 2018-12-07T14:00:06  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f544e23 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14863: refactor: Add and use HaveTxsDownloaded() where appropriate...
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320 2018-12-07T14:01:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14863: refactor: Add and use HaveTxsDownloaded() where appropriate (master...Mf1812-docNchainTx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14863
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346 2018-12-07T14:41:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f544e235563f...b8b0b8ced7fa
347 2018-12-07T14:41:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b7df96f Chun Kuan Lee: refactor: Drop boost::this_thread::interruption_point and boost::thread_interrupted in main thread
348 2018-12-07T14:41:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b8b0b8c Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14480: refactor: Drop boost::this_thread::interruption_point and boost::thread_interrupted in main thread...
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351 2018-12-07T14:42:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14480: refactor: Drop boost::this_thread::interruption_point and boost::thread_interrupted in main thread (master...drop-boost-thread-import) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14480
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376 2018-12-07T16:13:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b8b0b8ced7fa...2b12268095fa
377 2018-12-07T16:13:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7d1b60c Hennadii Stepanov: Cleanup SplashScreen class...
378 2018-12-07T16:13:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2b12268 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14854: qt: Cleanup SplashScreen class...
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381 2018-12-07T16:14:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14854: qt: Cleanup SplashScreen class (master...20181201-cleanup-splashscreen) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14854
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384 2018-12-07T16:20:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2b12268095fa...d38a2c14168d
385 2018-12-07T16:20:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa4c867 MarcoFalke: rpc: Avoid creating non-standard raw transactions
386 2018-12-07T16:20:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d38a2c1 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #14890: rpc: Avoid creating non-standard raw transactions...
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389 2018-12-07T16:21:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14890: rpc: Avoid creating non-standard raw transactions (master...Mf1812-rpcRawNonStd) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14890
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394 2018-12-07T16:27:49  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d38a2c14168d...939021704451
395 2018-12-07T16:27:50  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5c40e7b marcoagner: test: allows test_runner command line to receive parameters for each test
396 2018-12-07T16:27:50  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9390217 MarcoFalke: Merge #14795: test: allows test_runner command line to receive parameters for each test...
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399 2018-12-07T16:28:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #14795: test: allows test_runner command line to receive parameters for each test (master...fix_test_runner_parameters) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14795
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402 2018-12-07T16:34:42  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #14884: Travis: enforce Python 3.4 support through linter (master...2018/12/python-3-4) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14884
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405 2018-12-07T16:38:59  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #14893: 0.17 [Backport 14890] rpc: Avoid creating non-standard raw transactions (0.17...Mf1812-17Backports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14893
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413 2018-12-07T17:01:39  <jamesob> #proposedmeetingtopic I'd like to revisit making some headway on one of the outstanding "add address index" PRs (e.g. #14035). Many companies end up using dubious peripheral systems (e.g. Bitcore) simply because bitcoind doesn't offer an address index, and I think there's a case to be made that the engineering costs & risk associated with maintaining such an index in core is outweighed by the practical risk many
414 2018-12-07T17:01:39  <jamesob> companies assume in having to run less-than-ideal indexing software. Would like to also discuss the alternative of having a "blessed" peripheral program that does indexing should an in-core index prove objectionable.
415 2018-12-07T17:01:42  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14035 | Utxoscriptindex by mgrychow · Pull Request #14035 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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417 2018-12-07T17:03:51  <jamesob> cc moneyball marcinja ^
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421 2018-12-07T17:18:21  <moneyball> jamesob: added!
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427 2018-12-07T17:20:43  <jcorgan> i used to maintain the addrindex patch originally written by sipa, before btcdrak took it over, then abandoned. this was an index over addresses referenced in all TXOs in the ledger, not just UTXOs
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429 2018-12-07T17:23:01  <jcorgan> imho it was a simple, straightforward indexing option, like txindex, worked well, and the objections to merging it were mostly philosophical and somewhat political.
430 2018-12-07T17:27:14  * sipa believes it's inadvisable for people to build solutions that rely on a fully indexed blockchain to be available (as opposed to having wallet software that only scans for what matters); having it available in core would be misunderstood as it being a reasonable solution for production systems (while it should only be used for debugging)
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432 2018-12-07T17:28:55  <sipa> i think that having an easily-accessible index may be preferable to everyone using the same centralized crappy one anyway, but there are also issues of scope creep etc
433 2018-12-07T17:29:36  <sipa> so a well-maintained separate index software package would be great, i think
434 2018-12-07T17:32:25  <jcorgan> i see our differences of opinion have survived the six years since #2802 ;-)
435 2018-12-07T17:32:28  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2802 | Add an address-based transaction index by sipa · Pull Request #2802 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
436 2018-12-07T17:33:44  <sipa> also, the software behind blockstream.info is open source now
437 2018-12-07T17:35:51  <jcorgan> er, five years
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439 2018-12-07T17:42:40  <gmaxwell> jamesob: considering that we have not made much progress towards escaping the initial sync time which are toxic for the continued survival of the network, I don't think that work on that would be a good allocation of resources.  In particual, if companies have a commercial interest in that functionality, then they can support creating it.
440 2018-12-07T17:43:36  <gmaxwell> jamesob: I think in general the project should be moving away from expecting that the user is going to immediately download the full blockchain history, rather than moving in the direction of making it more expensive to store and do.
441 2018-12-07T17:45:05  <gmaxwell> jamesob: having further clarification that utxo-only indexing actually satisfies any application would certantly be useful, since I think utxo oriented indexing at least stands at an intersection of interests.
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447 2018-12-07T18:05:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/939021704451...2753285be72d
448 2018-12-07T18:05:47  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d6b3790 Chun Kuan Lee: tests: check readability of cookie file
449 2018-12-07T18:05:48  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2753285 MarcoFalke: Merge #14788: tests: Possible fix the permission error when the tests open the cookie file...
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452 2018-12-07T18:06:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #14788: tests: Possible fix the permission error when the tests open the cookie file (master...fix-win-test-perm-deny) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14788
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454 2018-12-07T18:09:58  <jamesob> sipa: the only issue i can see with "having wallet software that only scans for what matters" is that in many cases users don't know what matters ahead of time and so the potential for constant rescanning probably makes amortizing that work into an index seem attractive
455 2018-12-07T18:10:25  <sipa> jamesob: then they're doing it wrong, is my point :)
456 2018-12-07T18:10:28  <jamesob> sipa: I agree with what you're saying, but I think the intuitive thing is to just build a big 'ol index and so that's what most engineers who're pressed for time end up doing
457 2018-12-07T18:11:11  <jamesob> so if we want to pitch the less intuitive "watch for what you want" angle, we should probably talk about building an example system that does that and tooling that makes it straightforward
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459 2018-12-07T18:11:57  <sipa> jamesob: maybe that's something optech can do :)
460 2018-12-07T18:13:01  <sipa> and i agree that tooling is definitely lacking there (but the same is true for indexing, with everyone having their own solutions)
461 2018-12-07T18:13:07  <jamesob> heh, would love to. Maybe we can also gather some of the specific usecases as gmaxwell was saying
462 2018-12-07T18:15:37  <jcorgan> i moved to my own system of querying REST to deserialize blocks since genesis, indexing what i need, then listening on zmq for block notifications once caught up. it works well and lmdb makes a fantastic index store, but a lot more complicated than just rpc'ing addrindex and txindex when needed.
463 2018-12-07T18:15:49  <jamesob> it sounds like BIP-0157/0158 would go a long way towards the scan approach which is also something I'd like to talk about at some point... is anyone aware of any outstanding concerns with these BIPs and any reason we shouldn't be pushing forward on jimpo's related PRs?
464 2018-12-07T18:17:12  <jamesob> jcorgan right - having to add another RPC/auth mechanism besides core's kinda sucks. One interesting idea I've had is a service that would basically just wrap and enrich Core's API as well as do things like provide a more granular auth scheme (eg macaroons)
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467 2018-12-07T18:19:53  <sipa> jamesob: i think bip157/158 are great
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470 2018-12-07T18:20:16  <jamesob> sipa: that's good to hear. I'll allocate some time to review jimpo's work in the next week.
471 2018-12-07T18:20:30  <sipa> jamesob: with just 158, post-descriptor-based-wallet we could even use it for local wallet rescans
472 2018-12-07T18:20:40  <jamesob> yeah, definitely
473 2018-12-07T18:20:49  <sipa> (not right now, as we can't generate the set of all sPK's to watch for)
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475 2018-12-07T18:43:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery closed pull request #14888: Fix createrawtransaction multi op return - issue #14868 (master...fix-createrawtransaction-multi-OP_RETURN) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14888
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482 2018-12-07T18:53:23  <promag> is it meeting day?
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486 2018-12-07T19:11:00  <meshcollider> promag: no :)
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488 2018-12-07T19:12:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ch4ot1c reopened pull request #14459: More RPC help description fixes (master...fix/rpc-descriptions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14459
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490 2018-12-07T19:12:22  <arch> I apologize in advance if this was already answered somewhere, and will state in advance.  Curious on a couple patch mgmt/versioning pieces with bitcoin-core.
491 2018-12-07T19:12:26  <arch> Since Berkeley DB (bdb) for database management was switched over to LevelDB in release 0.8 to reduce blockchain synchronization time, why does bdb remain in bitcoin/tree/master/depends/packages?
492 2018-12-07T19:12:33  <arch> To follow, if there are elements of bdb 4.8.30 from 5/1/2010 still necessary, why not update to Berkeley DB 12.1.6.0.19 - being the last version available under the Sleepycat Licence, and not currently identified with known vulnerabilities?  Thank you for your review, and hopefully as well for a response.
493 2018-12-07T19:13:04  <sipa> arch: only the blockchain database is leveldb; wallet files are still BDB
494 2018-12-07T19:13:28  <sipa> arch: and BDB has terrible compatibility guarantees; once opened with version 4.9, you're unable to open it with 4.8 again for example
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498 2018-12-07T19:14:51  <arch> sipa:  Thank you.  Other than compatability, is there any reason why it could not be upgraded to the last version indicated above?
499 2018-12-07T19:15:23  <sipa> arch: i think the API isn't compatible anymore with version 6+, but you can upgrade to 5.3
500 2018-12-07T19:15:54  <sipa> note that such binaries will not be interoperable with release binaries
501 2018-12-07T19:16:08  <gmaxwell> Also version 6+ has a less liberal software license.
502 2018-12-07T19:19:03  <arch> Yes, aware the software license became a problem after 12.1.6.0.19.
503 2018-12-07T19:20:22  <gmaxwell> your numbering is weird, they switched license at 6+ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_DB#Licensing
504 2018-12-07T19:20:52  <gmaxwell> sounds to me like someone else forked pre v6.0.20 and gave it a really high version number or something.
505 2018-12-07T19:22:23  <gmaxwell> in any case, our reason is 99% compatiblity. Becoming incompatible with wallet files isn't really acceptable, and we're not aware of any issues with bdb 4.8 that impact our use of it
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509 2018-12-07T19:25:49  <arch> Ref:  https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/products/berkeleydb/downloads/index-082944.html  -  When reading through the release notes, 12.1.6.0.19 was the last under the liberal sleepycat license.  Thus I was curious why stay with the earlier.
510 2018-12-07T19:34:25  <gmaxwell> arch: per that page it appears they just renumbed it.. so basically they call 5 11 and 6 12.
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518 2018-12-07T19:58:56  <arch> If it matters, this is when it changed within v6 - https://download.oracle.com/otndocs/products/berkeleydb/html/changelog_6_0.html#idp509784
519 2018-12-07T19:59:17  <arch> .19 to .20
520 2018-12-07T20:01:08  <arch> Anything prior to .20 is non AGPL - and under sleepycat.
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529 2018-12-07T20:22:00  <arch> Apologize for including all these links.  Only mentioned as many vulnerabilities were of unknown vectors.  Testing on the particularly old 2010 libraries would not have been 'current' and not included in their testing.  Only trying to be helpful:  https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-93/product_id-32070/Oracle-Berkeley-Db.html
530 2018-12-07T20:38:23  <arch> Since many of those CVE's included 12.1.6.0.35, and much of the 11.x platform, it was noted it specifically did not include 12.1.6.0.19 (last Sleepycat).  As it was possible the much earlier versions may be susceptible to attack but undocumented, the hypothesis is that 12.1.6.0.19 may eliminate the 'unknown' vulnerability pieces and continue to remain compliant with open license model.  This is something beyond me, but offering
531 2018-12-07T20:38:30  <arch> Thanks
532 2018-12-07T20:42:08  <gmaxwell> arch: 'vulnerabilities' are not really a concern in our usage of it.
533 2018-12-07T20:42:19  <gmaxwell> it isn't exposed to the network.
534 2018-12-07T20:46:44  <arch> fmaxwell:  Would there be any possibility of localized attacks if there are potentially unknown vectors of attack on bdb?  If not, then perfect.  If yes, then perhaps further exploration is warranted.
535 2018-12-07T20:47:09  <arch> Sorry gmaxwell:
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537 2018-12-07T20:49:23  <gmaxwell> arch: bitcoin is an unprivledge process, and if you get a wallet file from an untrusted source all bets are off in any case.
538 2018-12-07T20:50:02  <gmaxwell> (aside, a while back I fuzz tested bdb 6.something with the same cases that cause oob memory access in data files in bdb 4.x and they hadn't fixed them.
539 2018-12-07T20:50:04  <gmaxwell> )
540 2018-12-07T20:50:13  <gmaxwell> And, again, at the end of the day it isn't compatible.
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542 2018-12-07T20:50:25  <gmaxwell> "Sorry, you upgraded, all your funds are gone"
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545 2018-12-07T20:51:24  <arch> gmaxwell:  Yes, that would be the ultimate problem.
546 2018-12-07T21:01:20  <cluelessperson> if my skillset is python, how might I contribute with that?
547 2018-12-07T21:01:44  <wumpus> cluelessperson: improve the functional tests!
548 2018-12-07T21:03:48  <jamesob> cluelessperson: could also take a look at adding any missing features to python-bitcoinlib
549 2018-12-07T21:06:33  <wumpus> almost all the code that's not c++ in the bitcoin core repository is python
550 2018-12-07T21:23:33  <cluelessperson> wumpus: would you be able to help me get started?
551 2018-12-07T21:25:09  <cfields> jonasschnelli: I went ahead and pushed the win sigs, feel free to tag whenever you push the mac ones. Just be sure to sign the tag.
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553 2018-12-07T21:27:04  <wumpus> cluelessperson: if you have specific questions, sure; there's some tests issues with "good first issue" label that might be useful as a start https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22good+first+issue%22+label%3ATests
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