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 57 2019-01-09T05:14:16  <meshcollider> wumpus: I've updated the tests for #15087
 58 2019-01-09T05:14:18  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15087 | Error if rpcpassword contains hash in conf sections by MeshCollider · Pull Request #15087 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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156 2019-01-09T14:36:29  <wumpus> meshcollider: thanks!
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166 2019-01-09T15:19:23  <wumpus> can we have some review on #14955 please? :$
167 2019-01-09T15:19:26  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14955 | Switch all RNG code to the built-in PRNG by sipa · Pull Request #14955 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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169 2019-01-09T15:25:28  <instagibbs> wumpus, it's kind of scary material to review imo
170 2019-01-09T15:25:39  <instagibbs> but i can at least read it
171 2019-01-09T15:26:03  <instagibbs> err wait, maybe this is different one, nvm
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173 2019-01-09T15:29:33  <wumpus> instagibbs: that's why I request reviews on it, the worst-case scenario to review for would be loss of randomness for wallet key generation
174 2019-01-09T15:31:01  <wumpus> for the rest, randomness is used for DoS avoidance in P2P code and unordered_map hashing and such; would be bad if it breaks, but not as disastrous ast ehe ffect on the wallet
175 2019-01-09T15:32:22  <sipa> as a reviewer you probably want to reason through what happens in a call to GetStrongRandBytes
176 2019-01-09T15:32:42  <sipa> to see that all those randomness sources are actually affecting the output
177 2019-01-09T15:33:30  <instagibbs> I've done that historically at least, I'll take a look
178 2019-01-09T15:37:42  <wumpus> instagibbs: thanks!
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188 2019-01-09T15:54:39  <promag> wumpus: nit, don't mind my nits
189 2019-01-09T15:56:40  <wumpus> promag: I agree; we waited a few days for the author to update for it, but if they don't, let's just merge imo
190 2019-01-09T15:59:06  <wumpus> especially as it's a new contributor
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200 2019-01-09T16:38:01  <wumpus> lol @ amount of bikeshedding in #15127
201 2019-01-09T16:38:02  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15127 | docs: Clarifying testing instructions by benthecarman · Pull Request #15127 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
202 2019-01-09T16:38:55  <wumpus> (FWIW I think this is good, if you really have to file a single-line change to the documentation, be prepared to get a lot of review on it :-) )
203 2019-01-09T16:39:08  <sipa> yeah...
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217 2019-01-09T18:23:01  <provoostenator> sipa: sounds like a good opportunity to read up on some C++ concepts, added to my review list. At least it compiles on macOS and two new wallets don't get the same address :-)
218 2019-01-09T18:24:42  <sipa> provoostenator: unfortunately, the class of likely bugs in a system like this will not result in duplicate randomness, but just predictable one (for example, the Debian OpenSSL bug from a few years ago resulted in randomness with a bit over 16 bits of entropy, meaning you'd still need to observe 1000s to observe anything bad)
219 2019-01-09T18:25:53  <provoostenator> Indeed, touching this code is scary. But is waiting for the next OpenSSL drama I guess?
220 2019-01-09T18:26:00  <provoostenator> *so is
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222 2019-01-09T18:26:58  <sipa> i think at this point we're already not relying on openssl for much except belt and suspenders
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224 2019-01-09T18:30:34  <gmaxwell> [ignoring BIP70] Now we're just stuck issuing new binaries the next time there is some zomg panic about openssl because we statically link to it.
225 2019-01-09T18:31:00  <sipa> yup
226 2019-01-09T18:31:39  <sipa> i think i would describe our openssl dependency as annoying, so we'd like to get rid of it - but there isn't any specific pressing reason to do so
227 2019-01-09T18:36:33  <gmaxwell> via bip 70 though it could actually introduce vulnerabilities, though thats really a question about getting rid of bip70, not openssl.
228 2019-01-09T18:36:34  <provoostenator> BIP70 is depreacted so depending on when disaster happens, we could then just ship a new binary with OpenSSL removed.
229 2019-01-09T18:36:51  <gmaxwell> yea, if anyone has any funds left after. :)
230 2019-01-09T18:42:48  <cjd> is it common to connect nodes holding money to the public network ?   I assumed that by now everyone was using a guard node which relayed for their LAN
231 2019-01-09T18:45:24  <gmaxwell> cjd: they should be but my expirence is that almost no one does... the resource usage of doing so is quite considerable.
232 2019-01-09T18:45:38  <cjd> ahh ok
233 2019-01-09T18:45:44  <gmaxwell> Also BIP70s implementation inherently had to be run from a wallet.
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235 2019-01-09T18:46:23  <gmaxwell> My statement was mostly hyperbole, but had an underlying point that "wait until it fails" isn't a great move. :P
236 2019-01-09T18:47:41  <cjd> hm, lightning network is going to create some pressure to run big money on network-connected servers
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274 2019-01-09T21:50:00  <gkrizek> wumpus: Are you able to still see the configuration for the IRC GitHub Service? I'm working on a replacement, but I'm not sure what the events were it would comment about in here .
275 2019-01-09T21:55:48  <gkrizek> Seems like it was push to any branch, PR open, close, merge.
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289 2019-01-09T22:18:04  <echeveria> gmaxwell: sipa: bip70 could kinda be a different binary at this point, but I don't think it's level of use justifies any sort of investment in development.
290 2019-01-09T22:20:25  <echeveria> if this was my software I'd be putting a bounty in the bip70 payment window to see if anybody notices it. you found the secret bit! send a letter to this address and we'll mail you a prize!
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292 2019-01-09T22:22:41  <gmaxwell> yea, I think bip70 as an external program would be nice, except no one cares about it...
293 2019-01-09T22:22:48  <gmaxwell> it always should have been done that way.
294 2019-01-09T22:23:14  <gmaxwell> I even went and tried to break it out at one point, but it was implemented with QT crap... (which is stupid, the external program could operate just as a commandline tool, ...)
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296 2019-01-09T22:27:28  <promag> provoostenator: not sure if I understand your comment https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15084#pullrequestreview-190732482
297 2019-01-09T22:27:46  <promag> provoostenator: you agree with what?
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301 2019-01-09T22:34:55  <promag> big lag with github emails?
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312 2019-01-09T23:19:39  <fanquake> yes
313 2019-01-09T23:22:59  <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, as far as i know literally only bitpay uses bip70
314 2019-01-09T23:23:09  <phantomcircuit> i've never seen it used anywhere else
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319 2019-01-09T23:37:31  <roasbeef> coinbase too maybe?
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321 2019-01-09T23:41:14  <jarthur> Stripe had thrown its support in, prior to taking a break from Bitcoin point of sale.
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323 2019-01-09T23:53:44  <luke-jr> phantomcircuit: BitPay isn't even BIP70-compatible
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326 2019-01-09T23:55:19  <gmaxwell> roasbeef: they support it but unclear how much they use it...
327 2019-01-09T23:55:30  <gmaxwell> like they spent more than half a year with their cert expired...
328 2019-01-09T23:55:55  <roasbeef> luke-jr: orly? iirc they enforce it and there's no other way to pay them other than via bip70
329 2019-01-09T23:55:59  <roasbeef> heh
330 2019-01-09T23:56:50  <gmaxwell> roasbeef: their bip70 violates the spec and can't be used with bitcoin core regardless.
331 2019-01-09T23:56:56  <luke-jr> roasbeef: iirc it "works" but it violates spec
332 2019-01-09T23:57:00  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: why can't it be?
333 2019-01-09T23:57:11  <luke-jr> last time I used bitpay, it worked..
334 2019-01-09T23:57:17  <gmaxwell> luke-jr: because if they see the txn first they abort the payment, or at least they were a couple months ago.
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336 2019-01-09T23:57:29  <gmaxwell> Last time I tried they just aborted the payment.
337 2019-01-09T23:57:31  <luke-jr> O.o
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339 2019-01-09T23:58:03  <gmaxwell> I guess it's hard to say exactly what they do because they can change... :)
340 2019-01-09T23:58:19  <luke-jr> I think it's been over a year since I last used it, so..
341 2019-01-09T23:58:32  <gmaxwell> In any case they 'require' non-conforming behavior, and what they require introduces vulnerablities. :(
342 2019-01-09T23:58:56  <gmaxwell> Which is just fucked, because the thing they _want_ is what sipa fought for with gavin and eventually burned out advocating.
343 2019-01-09T23:59:11  <gmaxwell> Unfortunately, bitpay didn't think through the implications of just dumbly grafting it on.