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 21 2019-03-19T01:29:02  <kallewoof> MarcoFalke: so sorry about the screw-up with that PR :( I will triple check that I don't accidentally commit something unrelated in the future
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 27 2019-03-19T01:58:41  <fanquake> warren thanks, that should be how it's happening now, using the guix-build.sh script from 15277
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 48 2019-03-19T04:37:23  <mischa010> hi, i know transactions are verified when they come into the mempool, but are they verified again when theyre collected into a block?
 49 2019-03-19T04:37:25  <mischa010> if so, why?
 50 2019-03-19T04:37:44  <mischa010> (because i know it's an expensive operation)
 51 2019-03-19T04:37:57  <sipa> yes, though part of the verification is cached
 52 2019-03-19T04:42:29  <mischa010> is the signature cache size configurable?
 53 2019-03-19T04:44:04  <sipa> yes
 54 2019-03-19T04:44:20  <sipa> -maxsigcachesize
 55 2019-03-19T04:44:56  <sipa> (the argument is in megabytes, the default is 32)
 56 2019-03-19T04:45:04  <mischa010> cool, thanks!
 57 2019-03-19T04:51:13  <gmaxwell> mischa010: it's not super simple, because script validity depends on verification flags, which are distinct for mempool and in blocks.
 58 2019-03-19T04:51:52  <gmaxwell> mischa010: so simply 'being in the mempool' isn't enough to guarentee validity. (also because mempool requirements e.g. for locktimes and such aren't exactly the same as the blocks the end up in)
 59 2019-03-19T04:52:13  <gmaxwell> also because we really wouldn't want an otherwise largely harmless bug in mempool handling to turn into a serious consensus bug.
 60 2019-03-19T04:53:23  <mischa010> but what's the use of the cache otherwise?
 61 2019-03-19T04:53:32  <mischa010> if theyre not reused for blocks
 62 2019-03-19T04:54:10  <gmaxwell> they are reused for blocks, but the reason it works via a cache is because it can't just use 'in the mempool'
 63 2019-03-19T04:54:52  <gmaxwell> and, additionally, the cache also reduces some attack vectors.. which was the original purpose of the cache.
 64 2019-03-19T04:55:38  <mischa010> so are all signatures only verified once? up to cache size limits?
 65 2019-03-19T04:56:12  <gmaxwell> yes.
 66 2019-03-19T04:56:23  <mischa010> cool
 67 2019-03-19T04:56:35  <gmaxwell> the cache has two parts, one is for validity of all scriptsigs in the entire transaction.
 68 2019-03-19T04:57:31  <gmaxwell> and that cache is by default good for something like a half million txn.
 69 2019-03-19T04:57:34  <sipa> mischa010: there are 2 distinct caches; one for signatures (which is relatively simple and stores (pubkey,signature,message) tuples), and one for transactions that's much more complicated and stores hashes of transactions together with all context data used for its validation)
 70 2019-03-19T04:58:01  <mischa010> ive been trying syncing from ramdisk, the speed boost is insane
 71 2019-03-19T04:58:03  <sipa> both of them store by default 528288 entries
 72 2019-03-19T04:58:13  <sipa> mischa010: how much ram do you have?
 73 2019-03-19T04:58:17  <mischa010> so at first ssd was the bottleneck and now cpu, which led me to this question
 74 2019-03-19T04:58:20  <mischa010> 16gb
 75 2019-03-19T04:58:25  <sipa> use -dbcache=6000
 76 2019-03-19T04:58:26  <mischa010> so can't finish i guess
 77 2019-03-19T04:58:32  <sipa> will be much faster than using a ramdrive
 78 2019-03-19T04:58:32  <gmaxwell> mischa010: just setting the dbcache larger will give you your speedup.
 79 2019-03-19T04:58:38  <mischa010> oh i had 4000
 80 2019-03-19T04:58:54  <mischa010> but i guess more cant hurt
 81 2019-03-19T04:58:58  <sipa> no
 82 2019-03-19T04:59:16  <gmaxwell> unless something changed in the last year, large dbcache is a much bigger speedup than a ramdisk, and adding a ramdisk didn't make it any faster (than a SSD) once dbcache was big enough.
 83 2019-03-19T04:59:20  <mischa010> it looked like i was downloading and verifying around 20-30mbit
 84 2019-03-19T04:59:32  <mischa010> with spikes to 100% cpu :p
 85 2019-03-19T04:59:39  <mischa010> on an i7-8700k@5ghz
 86 2019-03-19T04:59:50  <sipa> that's a lot of GHz
 87 2019-03-19T05:00:05  <mischa010> air cooled too
 88 2019-03-19T05:00:08  <gmaxwell> about the fastest it'll go is about 50mbit/sec, due to varrious limitations and bottlenecks.
 89 2019-03-19T05:00:40  <mischa010> oh havent gotten there yet
 90 2019-03-19T05:00:53  <mischa010> hmm so dbcache=6000
 91 2019-03-19T05:00:55  <mischa010> will try that
 92 2019-03-19T05:04:34  <mischa010> i was surprised to see it use all cores btw, i thought all verification stuff was single threaded?
 93 2019-03-19T05:05:03  <sipa> no, it's been multithreaded since 0.8
 94 2019-03-19T05:05:18  <sipa> script validation is, at least
 95 2019-03-19T05:05:35  <mischa010> ah
 96 2019-03-19T05:14:25  <echeveria> mischa010: utxo updates however are single threaded.
 97 2019-03-19T05:14:47  <echeveria> so past a point you gain nothing from more cores.
 98 2019-03-19T05:15:13  <mischa010> yes i read there was some security problem with making utxo updates multithreaded
 99 2019-03-19T05:24:52  <gmaxwell> it isn't clear what is meant by 'utxo updates' there.
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130 2019-03-19T08:43:42  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #15622: Remove globals: Avoid using the global namespace if possible (master...globals-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15622
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140 2019-03-19T09:57:52  <mischa010> 0.333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
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167 2019-03-19T13:41:12  <wumpus> FWIW: if you want your PR to make it into the release notes list of PRs, please make sure it's clear and specific, and tells a user what the use of the change is
168 2019-03-19T13:41:58  <wumpus> (I mean, the title)
169 2019-03-19T13:58:22  <wumpus> though most PRs are fine in this regard
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220 2019-03-19T16:56:25  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #15623: refactor: Expose UndoReadFromDisk in header (master...1903-UndoReadFromDiskHeader) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15623
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299 2019-03-19T22:34:51  <echeveria> 2019-03-19T22:33:14Z ERROR: DisconnectTip(): DisconnectBlock 00000000210004840364b52bc5e455d888f164e4264a4fec06a514b67e9d5722 failed
300 2019-03-19T22:34:52  <echeveria> 2019-03-19T22:33:14Z ERROR: ProcessNewBlock: ActivateBestChain failed ( (code 0))
301 2019-03-19T22:35:03  <echeveria> wonder what happened there (testnet, 0.17)
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