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 23 2019-04-23T00:57:57  * luke-jr would like to know real reasons for NACKs on #15861 rather than unsubstantiated claims that it doesn't work… (it's even tested, so it sure does seem to work)
 24 2019-04-23T00:58:19  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15861 | Restore warning for individual unknown version bits, as well as unknown version schemas by luke-jr · Pull Request #15861 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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 32 2019-04-23T01:21:37  <gmaxwell> I don't think having warings that we know are going to false trigger with non-trivial probablity is worth it.
 33 2019-04-23T01:21:53  <gmaxwell> the false alarms undermine the ability to have good warnings in the future.
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 35 2019-04-23T01:25:25  <luke-jr> there's no reason to expect false alarms with these
 36 2019-04-23T01:26:50  <luke-jr> wouldn't that take 100% of miners abusing ASICBoost?
 37 2019-04-23T01:30:40  <luke-jr> I guess I'm assuming the bogus bits are 50/50 - is that not the case?
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 39 2019-04-23T01:34:52  <echeveria> "abusing"
 40 2019-04-23T01:35:37  <echeveria> you should just assume that 100% of people will use an obvious optimisation.
 41 2019-04-23T01:43:03  <luke-jr> I guess echeveria unanimously represents consensus for adopting a patented exploit into the Bitcoin protocol
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 43 2019-04-23T01:44:27  <echeveria> using heavily loaded adjectives to describe everything isn't helping your case particularly.
 44 2019-04-23T01:47:29  <gmaxwell> luke-jr: if someone is doing 2-way AB, you'll get each bit set 50% of the time and trigger. If someone is doing 4-way with bit aligned versions each bit will be set 50% of the time.. and trigger.   If a large portion but not all hashpower is using it, it'll still false trigger... just less often.
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 46 2019-04-23T01:50:40  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: what threshold would you be comfortable with? surely not 95% is needed?
 47 2019-04-23T01:52:19  <sipa> luke-jr: you don't need to personally agree with a protocol choice to see that it's in the best interest of users of your software to not warn about something you know is harmless
 48 2019-04-23T01:52:49  <sipa> the reality is that miners are using AB, and that isn't going to change, with or without a warning
 49 2019-04-23T01:53:26  <gmaxwell> And not false triggering a warning doesn't mean that it's approved.
 50 2019-04-23T01:53:40  <gmaxwell> If anything, not acting to block it is the only kind of "approval" that matters in any case.
 51 2019-04-23T01:54:03  <luke-jr> sipa: users can still be informed that miners are violating the protocol; but that's beside the point I think, as the intent here is to warn for real deployments
 52 2019-04-23T01:54:07  <gmaxwell> luke-jr: I'd be comfortable with taking two or three bits and just ignoring them.
 53 2019-04-23T01:54:21  <gmaxwell> There is no reason that we'd need to use all the bits for intentional upgrades.
 54 2019-04-23T01:54:27  <luke-jr> hmm
 55 2019-04-23T01:54:52  <gmaxwell> Ignoring them doesn't mean that they're magically free for asicboost use either... they're just ignored, and shouldn't be used for intentional bip9 upgrades.
 56 2019-04-23T01:54:53  <echeveria> luke-jr: I've watched the results of this, users come to #bitcoin and you try to panic them about how "miners are exploiting bitcoin". this is deeply unhelpful and doesn't achieve what you think it does.
 57 2019-04-23T01:55:44  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: it will certainly be interpreted that way - see OP_RETURN
 58 2019-04-23T01:56:04  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: but perhaps leaving the 95% in place is sufficient to deter that? dunno
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 61 2019-04-23T01:57:27  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: happen to know off-hand which bits are being abused? are they the ones btcdrak wrote up in a PR?
 62 2019-04-23T01:57:33  <echeveria> warnings in debug.log are not deterring anybody from their actions, especially when what is creating those warnings is profit motivated.
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 64 2019-04-23T01:59:10  <gmaxwell> luke-jr: dunno, would have to look. though also if there were a reason to use different ones I expect we could get people to move
 65 2019-04-23T02:00:35  <luke-jr> eh, in that case couldn't they just all pick random bits to avoid triggering 50% on any one?
 66 2019-04-23T02:00:44  <echeveria> the bits are baked into miner firmware. you'd really struggle to get anybody to change them, especially when the motivation is something as invisible as not causing warnings in sotware that nobody can see.
 67 2019-04-23T02:01:01  <luke-jr> echeveria: it's plainly displayed in the GUI
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 69 2019-04-23T02:02:15  <echeveria> if it's displayed in my copy of bitcoin-qt I've literally never noticed it.
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 72 2019-04-23T02:15:19  <luke-jr> looks like for the past 6562 blocks, we have bit 13=379(5%) 14=465(7%) 15=475(7%) 16=499(7%) 17=501(7%) 18=503(7%) 19=490(7%) 20=494(7%) 21=489(7%) 22=1695(25%) 23=1639(24%) 24=497(7%) 25=493(7%) 26=499(7%) 27=504(7%) 28=363(5%) 29=6562(100%) 30=5(0%)
 73 2019-04-23T02:16:52  <luke-jr> (BIP9 signature is 29=1, 30=0, 31=0)
 74 2019-04-23T02:22:55  <luke-jr> so nowhere near triggering 50%, but if we want to be safe, it looks like sticking to bits 0-11 would be clear, maybe 0-21 if we want more
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 90 2019-04-23T06:37:14  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] IntegralTeam opened pull request #15873: Rpc removemempoolentry (master...rpc-removemempoolentry) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15873
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123 2019-04-23T09:50:49  <darosior>  Hi, in this comment (https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/08bd21a3bda9f621948c535e951880d7e318caa5/src/qt/bitcoingui.cpp#L1228) does decrypt means unlocking the wallet for the session or decrypt forever ?
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148 2019-04-23T11:53:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] 251Labs opened pull request #15874: Resolve the qt/guiutil <-> qt/optionsmodal CD (master...patch/resolve-guiutil-optionsmodel-cd) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15874
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174 2019-04-23T13:23:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #15876: 2019/04/signerbumpfee (master...2019/04/signerbumpfee) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15876
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181 2019-04-23T13:44:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/08bd21a3bda9...caceff55465e
182 2019-04-23T13:44:26  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa465e4 MarcoFalke: test: Add missing syncwithvalidationinterfacequeue to wallet_import_rescan
183 2019-04-23T13:44:27  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master caceff5 MarcoFalke: Merge #15866: test: Add missing syncwithvalidationinterfacequeue to wallet...
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186 2019-04-23T13:45:16  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15866: test: Add missing syncwithvalidationinterfacequeue to wallet_import_rescan (master...1904-testSync) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15866
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199 2019-04-23T14:43:48  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/caceff55465e...2d5419feed48
200 2019-04-23T14:43:48  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c9e6e7e Karl-Johan Alm: wallet: add cachable amounts for caching credit/debit values
201 2019-04-23T14:43:48  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2d5419f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15780: wallet: add cachable amounts for caching credit/debit values...
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205 2019-04-23T14:44:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15780: wallet: add cachable amounts for caching credit/debit values (master...cachable-accounts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15780
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211 2019-04-23T15:00:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2d5419feed48...cd14d210c415
212 2019-04-23T15:00:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 710a713 João Barbosa: rpc: Speedup getaddressesbylabel
213 2019-04-23T15:00:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cd14d21 MarcoFalke: Merge #15463: rpc: Speedup getaddressesbylabel
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216 2019-04-23T15:01:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15463: rpc: Speedup getaddressesbylabel (master...2019-02-fix-15447) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15463
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222 2019-04-23T15:16:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] keepkeyjon opened pull request #15877: Fix argument docs grammar (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15877
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227 2019-04-23T15:55:57  <jonasschnelli> [bitcoin-dev] Improving Pre and Post Merging Abilities With Rewriting Core In Python
228 2019-04-23T15:55:58  <jonasschnelli> ^^
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230 2019-04-23T16:06:22  <wumpus> of course, in python !
231 2019-04-23T16:09:03  <sdaftuar> so, humor aside, i was curious about what "improving pre and post merging abilities" could mean to someone
232 2019-04-23T16:09:49  <sdaftuar> (though it was hard for me to put the humor aside)
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234 2019-04-23T16:11:08  <wumpus> good question
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236 2019-04-23T16:11:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cd14d210c415...e9e777e21b42
237 2019-04-23T16:11:59  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa1c8e2 251: Resolve the qt/guiutil <-> qt/optionsmodal CD
238 2019-04-23T16:11:59  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master e9e777e Jonas Schnelli: Merge #15874: Resolve the qt/guiutil <-> qt/optionsmodel CD
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241 2019-04-23T16:12:48  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli merged pull request #15874: Resolve the qt/guiutil <-> qt/optionsmodel CD (master...patch/resolve-guiutil-optionsmodel-cd) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15874
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244 2019-04-23T16:19:28  <sipa> sdaftuar: it seems python is also faster
245 2019-04-23T16:20:01  <sdaftuar> sipa: of course.  it has C support.
246 2019-04-23T16:20:22  <luke-jr> lol
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253 2019-04-23T16:26:59  <ryanofsky> would guess something to do with pre and post-merge code reviews
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261 2019-04-23T17:05:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e9e777e21b42...4bd7187da817
262 2019-04-23T17:05:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6dd469a practicalswift: Disconnect BlockNotifyGenesisWait and RPCNotifyBlockChange properly. Remov...
263 2019-04-23T17:05:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4bd7187 MarcoFalke: Merge #15699: Remove no-op CClientUIInterface::[signal_name]_disconnect. D...
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266 2019-04-23T17:05:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15699: Remove no-op CClientUIInterface::[signal_name]_disconnect. Disconnect BlockNotifyGenesisWait and RPCNotifyBlockChange properly. (master...remove-CClientUIInterface-signal_name_disconnect) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15699
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271 2019-04-23T17:14:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4bd7187da817...40a720acb847
272 2019-04-23T17:14:12  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faca95e MarcoFalke: qa: Make swap_magic_bytes in p2p_invalid_messages atomic
273 2019-04-23T17:14:13  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 40a720a MarcoFalke: Merge #15697: qa: Make swap_magic_bytes in p2p_invalid_messages atomic
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276 2019-04-23T17:14:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #15697: qa: Make swap_magic_bytes in p2p_invalid_messages atomic (master...1904-qaMagicAtomic) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15697
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295 2019-04-23T18:26:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #15880: utils and libraries: Replace deprecated Boost Filesystem functions (master...20190423-boost-coding-guidelines) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15880
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297 2019-04-23T18:34:14  <tryphe> anyone running core on windows? someone in #bitcoin is saying that the ::system() call for -blocknotify= and others pops up a shell window while the command is running. this makes sense, as it's the default functionality of cmd.exe when spawned by system(). anyways, i have a proposed fix if someone can compile on windows *sic*, which the user can't
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299 2019-04-23T18:38:29  <molz> tryphe, i compile my own windows bitcoin, let me pm you
300 2019-04-23T18:38:47  <tryphe> molz, ok, thanks!
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309 2019-04-23T19:15:01  <ElePHPhant> molz: How long did you wait?
310 2019-04-23T19:15:24  <ElePHPhant> It takes anywhere from a few minutes to hours for that thing to run to me (seemingly).
311 2019-04-23T19:15:33  <ElePHPhant> *for me
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313 2019-04-23T19:25:39  <ElePHPhant> molz: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/23999/blocknotify-walletnotify-but-without-the-console-window <-- This was not posted by me.
314 2019-04-23T19:25:48  <ElePHPhant> And that's from 5 years ago...
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336 2019-04-23T20:33:37  <promag> is rc4 the last?
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340 2019-04-23T20:36:26  <jonasschnelli> promag: lets hope
341 2019-04-23T20:36:36  <promag> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14573#issuecomment-485954174
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349 2019-04-23T21:01:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #15881: net: Send txs without delay on regtest (master...1904-txRelayRegtest) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15881
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353 2019-04-23T21:02:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #15858: Faster tests with topological mempool rpc sync 🚀 (master...1904-qaSync) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15858
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