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52019-08-16T00:24:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #16625: scripts: remove github-merge.py (master...remove_github_merge_script) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16625
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72019-08-16T00:26:41 <fanquake> The github-merge.py script has been merged into the maintainer tools repo in: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-maintainer-tools/pull/28
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92019-08-16T00:27:29 <fanquake> Would anyone be opposed to having the maintainer-tools commits show up here via the bot, if that's possible? Commits are infrequent, but probably interesting to those watching in here.
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112019-08-16T00:27:54 <fanquake> Also since we are moving more important scripts to that repo.
122019-08-16T00:34:49 <fanquake> Opened https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoin-maintainer-tools/pull/29 to port the docs, feel free to nit-pick.
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212019-08-16T02:14:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] nilswloewen opened pull request #16626: Fix spelling error chache -> cache. (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16626
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242019-08-16T02:17:42 <fanquake> I'm messaging some users in here directly about review and re-review (don't want to spam the channel). If you'd rather not hear from me, just let me know.
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312019-08-16T02:34:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1bf2ff2bf8e8...14982b87e945
322019-08-16T02:34:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f9d40ce Nils Loewen: Fix spelling error chache -> cache.
332019-08-16T02:34:52 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 14982b8 fanquake: Merge #16626: doc: Fix spelling error chache -> cache.
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362019-08-16T02:35:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16626: doc: Fix spelling error chache -> cache. (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16626
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402019-08-16T02:45:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof opened pull request #16628: refactor: remove redundant pindexPrev from TestBlockValidity (master...2019-08-tbv-nopi) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16628
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432019-08-16T02:52:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/14982b87e945...95a5918c9059
442019-08-16T02:52:45 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6576a87 Antoine Riard: doc: Improve versionbits.h documentation
452019-08-16T02:52:45 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 95a5918 fanquake: Merge #16587: doc: Improve versionbits.h documentation
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482019-08-16T02:53:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16587: doc: Improve versionbits.h documentation (master...2019-08-docs-versionbits) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16587
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542019-08-16T03:56:13 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 5 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/95a5918c9059...0d65106dce28
552019-08-16T03:56:13 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a50d9e6 William Casarin: rpcwallet: default include_watchonly to true for watchonly wallets
562019-08-16T03:56:13 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 003a3c7 William Casarin: rpcwallet: document include_watchonly default for watchonly wallets
572019-08-16T03:56:14 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 72ffbdc William Casarin: doc: add release note for include_watchonly default changes
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602019-08-16T03:56:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16383: rpcwallet: default include_watchonly to true for watchonly wallets (master...20190713-watchonly-defaults) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16383
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622019-08-16T04:02:57 <fanquake> harding: Would you be interested in doing another release notes roll-up, similar to what you did in #15081? Currently 17 fragments floating around the repo. Note that one is actually in the doc/release-notes/ folder.
632019-08-16T04:02:59 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15081 | Doc: Update release notes for master through to 2019-01-01 by harding · Pull Request #15081 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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672019-08-16T04:31:28 <harding> fanquake: yes, definitely interested. I'll try to get a PR opened by early next week. Thanks for suggesting it (and for the note about the one in doc/release-notes---I would've missed that).
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702019-08-16T04:35:26 <fanquake> harding: Awesome, thanks for that.
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722019-08-16T04:37:55 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof closed pull request #16628: refactor: remove redundant pindexPrev from TestBlockValidity (master...2019-08-tbv-nopi) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16628
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752019-08-16T04:43:40 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] NicolasDorier opened pull request #16629: [Doc] Add documentation for the new whitelist permissions (master...doc/permissions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16629
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782019-08-16T04:47:01 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] kallewoof opened pull request #16630: consensus: skip genesis block POW check (master...2019-08-validation-skip-genesis-pow) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16630
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912019-08-16T06:24:40 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0d65106dce28...93bacb8cc9c0
922019-08-16T06:24:40 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 390874c Wladimir J. van der Laan: qt: Remove menu icons
932019-08-16T06:24:41 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 93bacb8 Jonas Schnelli: Merge #16612: qt: Remove menu icons
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962019-08-16T06:26:01 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli merged pull request #16612: qt: Remove menu icons (master...2019_08_remove_menuicons) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16612
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1052019-08-16T07:24:09 <jonasschnelli> MarcoFalke (or anyone): do you know why the tests fail with the address sanitizer? https://bitcoinbuilds.org/index.php?ansilog=c11df07f-50c7-41db-aa3a-53eed3d0798f.log#l7605
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1182019-08-16T08:47:57 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] NicolasDorier opened pull request #16631: [Fix] The default whitelistrelay should be true (master...fix/default-whiterelay) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16631
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1472019-08-16T11:46:35 <coinmonks> hey guys, few days ago, I tried to understand the Bitcoin codebase using different metrics, for now i want to understand what is state of Bitcoin contributors and their economic well being..
1482019-08-16T11:46:39 <coinmonks> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfR9C1VJLjHpi_p__3c1bE3D1-nvYqTzTsx-A_Q1WtYplUz7A/viewform?usp=sf_link
1492019-08-16T11:46:47 <coinmonks> Here is link for survey..
1502019-08-16T11:47:26 <coinmonks> It has only 6 questions
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1532019-08-16T11:55:01 <coinmonks> BTW this is last weeks code base analysis https://blog.coincodecap.com/bitcoin-development-stats/
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1562019-08-16T11:55:33 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/93bacb8cc9c0...21a165325eda
1572019-08-16T11:55:33 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa27c55 MarcoFalke: util: Move ResolveErrMsg to util/error
1582019-08-16T11:55:34 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 21a1653 MarcoFalke: Merge #16620: util: Move ResolveErrMsg to util/error
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1612019-08-16T11:56:38 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16620: util: Move ResolveErrMsg to util/error (master...1908-utilErrorResolveErrMsg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16620
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1662019-08-16T12:02:46 <meshcollider> Reminder wallet meeting is this week (in 7 hours)
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1802019-08-16T12:51:10 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16633: travis: Fix test_runner.py timeouts (master...1908-travisTimeouts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16633
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1862019-08-16T13:08:32 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] GChuf closed pull request #16621: doc: add default bitcoin.conf locations (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16621
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1932019-08-16T13:29:05 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] GChuf reopened pull request #16621: doc: add default bitcoin.conf locations (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16621
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1962019-08-16T13:30:50 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/21a165325eda...aed15edf179d
1972019-08-16T13:30:51 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faba46d MarcoFalke: ci: Set --ansi in test_runner
1982019-08-16T13:30:51 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master aed15ed MarcoFalke: Merge #16633: travis: Fix test_runner.py timeouts
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2012019-08-16T13:32:19 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16633: travis: Fix test_runner.py timeouts (master...1908-travisTimeouts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16633
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2032019-08-16T13:32:40 <provoostenator> Double unicorn on Github when viewing validation.cpp with blame, works the third time though.
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2082019-08-16T13:49:02 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #14786: Skip redundant OP_CODESEPARATOR scan (master...skip_codeseparator) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14786
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2112019-08-16T13:49:22 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot reopened pull request #14786: Skip redundant OP_CODESEPARATOR scan (master...skip_codeseparator) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14786
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2142019-08-16T13:49:42 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #14740: docs: Update rpcbind doc to match the manpage (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14740
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2172019-08-16T13:50:00 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot reopened pull request #14740: docs: Update rpcbind doc to match the manpage (master...patch-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14740
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2202019-08-16T13:50:20 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #14729: correct -onion default to -proxy behavior (master...qubenix-proxyfix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14729
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2262019-08-16T13:51:00 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #14694: tests: Separately check for rapidcheck/boost_test.h in configure (master...rapidcheck-boost-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14694
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2292019-08-16T13:51:21 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot reopened pull request #14694: tests: Separately check for rapidcheck/boost_test.h in configure (master...rapidcheck-boost-test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14694
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2322019-08-16T13:51:41 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot closed pull request #14687: zmq: enable tcp keepalive (master...zmq-keep-alive) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14687
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2352019-08-16T13:52:00 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] DrahtBot reopened pull request #14687: zmq: enable tcp keepalive (master...zmq-keep-alive) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14687
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2642019-08-16T14:19:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/aed15edf179d...b80cdfec9a07
2652019-08-16T14:19:31 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dc7529a nicolas.dorier: [Fix] Allow connection of a noban banned peer
2662019-08-16T14:19:31 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d117f45 nicolas.dorier: Add test for setban
2672019-08-16T14:19:32 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b80cdfe MarcoFalke: Merge #16618: [Fix] Allow connection of a noban banned peer
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3352019-08-16T19:00:39 <meshcollider> #startmeeting
3362019-08-16T19:00:39 <lightningbot> Meeting started Fri Aug 16 19:00:39 2019 UTC. The chair is meshcollider. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
3372019-08-16T19:00:39 <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
3382019-08-16T19:00:46 <meshcollider> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball
3392019-08-16T19:01:03 <kanzure> hi
3402019-08-16T19:01:04 <sipa> hi
3412019-08-16T19:01:08 <jnewbery> hi
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3432019-08-16T19:01:52 <achow101> hi
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3452019-08-16T19:02:51 <provoostenator> hi
3462019-08-16T19:02:53 <ariard> hi
3472019-08-16T19:02:54 <meshcollider> Firstly apologies from me for the lack of review/merging I've done recently, had an especially busy project at uni which just finished so I'll get a few PRs merged today hopefully
3482019-08-16T19:02:59 <meshcollider> Any topics?
3492019-08-16T19:03:16 <achow101> People should test and review #16341
3502019-08-16T19:03:20 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16341 | Introduce ScriptPubKeyMan interface and use it for key and script management (aka wallet boxes) by achow101 · Pull Request #16341 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3512019-08-16T19:03:29 <meshcollider> Yes :)
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3542019-08-16T19:05:08 <ariard> I'm trying to rationalize the way we track txn in the wallet, if any ones has opinions on it feel free to review : https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16624
3552019-08-16T19:05:33 <ariard> I hope it moves things in the right direction to solve long-standing issues like #7315
3562019-08-16T19:05:34 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/7315 | Minor wallet issue with conflicted txs · Issue #7315 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3572019-08-16T19:06:21 <achow101> topic: replacing coin selection
3582019-08-16T19:06:27 <achow101> *topic suggestion
3592019-08-16T19:07:00 <jnewbery> I think that's a nice change. In general there are a few places where serialization details leak into the wallet implementation unnecessarily. 16624 cleans up some of that.
3602019-08-16T19:07:50 <meshcollider> Yes it looks nice at first read
3612019-08-16T19:08:10 <meshcollider> #topic replacing coin selection (achow101)
3622019-08-16T19:08:18 <achow101> ping instagibbs
3632019-08-16T19:08:42 <sipa> random selection fallback?
3642019-08-16T19:08:45 <achow101> current coin selection uses branch and bound which uses effective value, and then falls back to the old algo which does not use effective value if that fals
3652019-08-16T19:08:58 <achow101> it would be nice to retry random selection
3662019-08-16T19:09:04 <achow101> as the fallback and get rid of the old thing entirely
3672019-08-16T19:09:16 <achow101> the previous pr was #13307 and it just kind of stalled out
3682019-08-16T19:09:19 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/13307 | Replace coin selection fallback strategy with Single Random Draw by achow101 · Pull Request #13307 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3692019-08-16T19:10:16 <sipa> i guess the only reason not to would be because we're not entirely sure that the algorithm works reasonably well on all kinds of utxo sets
3702019-08-16T19:10:19 <achow101> I think the main issue was that with SRD as the fallback, we weren't consolidating as much as the legacy algo did
3712019-08-16T19:10:59 <sipa> hmm, i was worrying about the opposite, where it might occasionally pick a crazy high number of inputs despite being unnecessary
3722019-08-16T19:11:47 <achow101> the simulations I did previously showed that basically for all runs, there were a lot more utxos in the wallet on average
3732019-08-16T19:12:17 <sipa> simulations only show behavior for the type of wallets you have data for, though
3742019-08-16T19:12:48 <achow101> right..
3752019-08-16T19:13:47 <achow101> I think we could mitigate the possiblity of choosing too many utxos by selecting multiple times and choosing the "least waste"
3762019-08-16T19:13:53 <achow101> kind of like we do for BnB already
3772019-08-16T19:13:55 <sipa> but when you do things like "run SRD 3 times, and pick the cheapest result", the risk of overly large input set goes down dramatically, but you're also worsening the consolidation further
3782019-08-16T19:14:30 <meshcollider> Have you got some results that indicate it is somehow better in some aspect then? This seems like the naive approach, why do we want to switch it in?
3792019-08-16T19:15:22 <achow101> part of the whole consolidation thing I think was that the legacy algo would actually select dust (negative effective value) for inputs whereas in BnB and SRD, we would ignore those entirely
3802019-08-16T19:15:39 <sipa> i suspect that's an inherent tradeoff
3812019-08-16T19:15:51 <sipa> anything that does not consume dust will have worse consolidation
3822019-08-16T19:15:58 <achow101> meshcollider: https://gist.github.com/achow101/242470486265d3f21adab08f65b9102c old simulation results. it generally resulted in better fees
3832019-08-16T19:16:37 <achow101> also, from murch's original paper, he found that it helped BnB get better exact matches over other methods
3842019-08-16T19:17:12 <achow101> one of the issues with the legacy selection is that it does not use effective value which makes doing some other things difficult, according to instagibbs
3852019-08-16T19:17:32 <sipa> does SRD use effective value?
3862019-08-16T19:17:46 <achow101> yes
3872019-08-16T19:18:14 <sipa> hmm, remind me how?
3882019-08-16T19:18:39 <sipa> it just doesn't consider anything with negative effective value?
3892019-08-16T19:18:50 <achow101> basically
3902019-08-16T19:19:22 <achow101> effective value just subtracts the fee required for that input from its value so that we don't have to constantly guess what the fees are going to be
3912019-08-16T19:19:46 <sipa> ah right that too, it lets you predict in one pass whether you have enough
3922019-08-16T19:20:17 <sipa> i guess you could make the consolidation/dust tradeoff configurable by making it allow negative EV, but limiting how negative it can be (for example as a percentage of the payment value)
3932019-08-16T19:20:18 <achow101> yes, so we can get rid of this stupid loop in CreateTransaction
3942019-08-16T19:20:32 <meshcollider> Can't the same effective value check just be added to the legacy code
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3972019-08-16T19:22:07 <achow101> probably
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3992019-08-16T19:22:28 <achow101> but the legacy code is also kind of pointless as it also tries to do an exact match which we are already doing in BnB
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4012019-08-16T19:23:46 <achow101> one of the main things that SRD did in my simulations was that it made BnB have more exact matches which helps with privacy
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4052019-08-16T19:26:03 <meshcollider> This is the thing I don't like about the coin selection, its all super heuristic and the tradeoffs are really hard to identify or compare
4062019-08-16T19:26:43 <sipa> it is
4072019-08-16T19:26:47 <meshcollider> If you think this is worth revisiting will you reopen the PR?
4082019-08-16T19:27:00 <sipa> but it's also an algorithm that has weathered a lot
4092019-08-16T19:27:01 <achow101> instagibbs said he would take a crack at it
4102019-08-16T19:28:22 <meshcollider> Ok
4112019-08-16T19:28:23 <achow101> it would be useful to have other kinds of simulation data rather than just the one or two datasets I got
4122019-08-16T19:28:39 <sipa> ping murch :)
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4142019-08-16T19:29:02 <achow101> he says no everytime I ask
4152019-08-16T19:29:13 <achow101> won't give me the secrets to Bitgo's coin selection :p
4162019-08-16T19:31:19 <sipa> achow101: just an idea, what happens if you simulate something SRD like, but permit individual utxos whose EV is > -0.2 * feerate*size
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4182019-08-16T19:31:33 <sipa> rather than > 0
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4202019-08-16T19:32:27 <sipa> this can be discussed outside of the meeting of course
4212019-08-16T19:32:51 <achow101> it probably should be. simulations take a long time
4222019-08-16T19:33:32 <achow101> I would assume something with more mean utxos than the simulation that allows any negative EV utxo but not as bad as those that exclude
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4242019-08-16T19:33:58 <sipa> actually that rule is equivalent to "only utxos that are positive EV at 80% of the feerate"
4252019-08-16T19:35:05 <achow101> in terms of fees, including negative ev still does better than current
4262019-08-16T19:35:08 <meshcollider> You had a lot of simulations when we switched the BnB initially, what happened to those datasets?
4272019-08-16T19:35:51 <achow101> they're all in public gists on github
4282019-08-16T19:36:14 <achow101> i have the data somewhere too
4292019-08-16T19:37:17 <meshcollider> Yeah I was wondering if they have more variation in types of utxo set than what you've tested so far
4302019-08-16T19:37:32 <achow101> those datasets were still only based on two actual datasets, just with different variations of filtering and ordering of the data
4312019-08-16T19:38:52 <meshcollider> Ah
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4332019-08-16T19:39:30 <meshcollider> Alright so we just see what instagibbs does and discuss further in the PR?
4342019-08-16T19:39:45 <achow101> all of the different BnB simulations were mostly for different feerates
4352019-08-16T19:40:17 <achow101> yeah. i guess the question was really whether this was something even worth pursuing again
4362019-08-16T19:42:50 <sipa> i think so
4372019-08-16T19:44:29 <meshcollider> If sipa thinks so then I think so too ;)
4382019-08-16T19:44:37 <meshcollider> Any other last topics?
4392019-08-16T19:46:04 <meshcollider> #endmeeting
4402019-08-16T19:46:04 <lightningbot> Meeting ended Fri Aug 16 19:46:04 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
4412019-08-16T19:46:04 <lightningbot> Minutes: http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-16-19.00.html
4422019-08-16T19:46:04 <lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-16-19.00.txt
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4442019-08-16T19:46:21 <meshcollider> If it's true, it's kind of sad that just randomly picking utxos pretty much naively is better than the more complicated logic we have currently lol
4452019-08-16T19:46:47 <achow101> the question is how do you define better?
4462019-08-16T19:46:48 <meshcollider> But I guess "better" is not well-defined
4472019-08-16T19:46:50 <meshcollider> Yeah
4482019-08-16T19:47:08 <achow101> I suspect that effective value is what makes srd perform better in terms of fees
4492019-08-16T19:48:28 <achow101> it would also be nice to cleanup coin selection. right now to understand it you have to read like 5 different functions
4502019-08-16T19:48:58 <meshcollider> Yes that would be nice :)
4512019-08-16T19:49:06 <jb55> what's the best place to read up on coin selection algos?
4522019-08-16T19:49:27 <meshcollider> Murch's masters thesis probably lol
4532019-08-16T19:49:34 <sipa> yeah
4542019-08-16T19:49:49 <sipa> http://murch.one/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/erhardt2016coinselection.pdf
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4562019-08-16T19:50:12 <sipa> only 2 out of 67 pages are in german
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4582019-08-16T19:50:42 <jb55> ok cool I found that when googling, wasn't sure
4592019-08-16T19:51:40 <achow101> maybe we should actually document this...
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4612019-08-16T19:55:12 <meshcollider> You could make a wiki page like we did for the new wallet model
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4832019-08-16T21:15:24 <emilengler> Has someone good resources on autotools?
4842019-08-16T21:15:30 <emilengler> MY brain doesn't want to understand it
4852019-08-16T21:16:14 <sipa> this is normal
4862019-08-16T21:17:19 <sipa> my normal approach is "ask cfields"
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4882019-08-16T21:24:32 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b80cdfec9a07...7a960ba775a6
4892019-08-16T21:24:32 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 104b3a5 Pieter Wuille: Factor out checksum checking from descriptor parsing
4902019-08-16T21:24:33 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 26d3fad Pieter Wuille: Add unmodified-but-with-checksum to getdescriptorinfo
4912019-08-16T21:24:33 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7a960ba MeshCollider: Merge #15986: Add checksum to getdescriptorinfo
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4942019-08-16T21:25:20 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider merged pull request #15986: Add checksum to getdescriptorinfo (master...201905_justchecksum) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15986
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5072019-08-16T22:02:26 <luke-jr> emilengler: autotools has somewhat decent documentation..
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5092019-08-16T22:02:36 <luke-jr> the hard part is the m4 syntax
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