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502 2019-08-22T01:23:17  <fanquake> Would anyone be opposed to having a "configuration.md" in /docs/ that explains ./configure usage and dependency -> configure option mappings?
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504 2019-08-22T01:23:37  <fanquake> At the moment there's so much random configure documentation shotgunned all over the place. I think it'd make sense to put it all in one place, and always point back to that from other docs.
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513 2019-08-22T01:40:20  <luke-jr> fanquake: ./configure --help?
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515 2019-08-22T01:46:34  <fanquake> luke-jr: Is your suggestion is to replace every mention of configure options/related info in all the documentation with "go look at ./configure --help"? I don't think that's the answer, unless we want to add a lot more info to that configure output.
516 2019-08-22T01:48:34  <fanquake> We also do mention that in the docs at least once already: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/build-unix.md#additional-configure-flags
517 2019-08-22T01:49:41  <luke-jr> dunno, aside from dependencies (which have a dedicated doc file) what else is there to say?
518 2019-08-22T01:54:19  <fanquake> Well at the moment there's configure related suggestions/info spread out all through the build-* files, productivity.md, dependencies.md, developer-notes.md etc. So clearly a fair bit.
519 2019-08-22T01:55:59  <fanquake> Although a lot of it's repeated, hence why I think consolidating is worthwhile. I'll PR some changes and everyone can take a look.
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561 2019-08-22T06:56:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #16677: gui: remove unused PlatformStyle::TextColorIcon (master...remove_unused_text_coloricon) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16677
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602 2019-08-22T10:27:52  <fanquake> I've just merged #16674, however the PR hasn't been auto-closed, and the bot obviously hasn't shown up here. Looking at https://www.githubstatus.com/, it could be a GitHub issue.
603 2019-08-22T10:27:54  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16674 | refactor: remove obsolete qt algorithm usage by fanquake · Pull Request #16674 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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605 2019-08-22T10:28:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16674: refactor: remove obsolete qt algorithm usage (master...remove_obselete_qt_usage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16674
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608 2019-08-22T10:29:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] shargon opened pull request #16678: [validation] static_assert to ensure width in unit class (master...fix-uint) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16678
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611 2019-08-22T10:40:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] shargon closed pull request #16678: [validation] static_assert to ensure width in unit class (master...fix-uint) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16678
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615 2019-08-22T10:44:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] shargon opened pull request #16679: [validation] static_assert to ensure width in unit class (master...fix-unit-base) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16679
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618 2019-08-22T11:10:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6dfa9efa3f55...868a8cea1550
619 2019-08-22T11:10:05  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fea33cb fanquake: refactor: replace qStableSort with std::stable_sort
620 2019-08-22T11:10:05  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 59373e3 fanquake: refactor: replace qSort with std::sort
621 2019-08-22T11:10:06  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 153d9dd fanquake: refactor: replace qLowerBound & qUpperBound with std:: upper_bound & lower...
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645 2019-08-22T13:05:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/868a8cea1550...52b9797119d5
646 2019-08-22T13:05:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa8cd6f MarcoFalke: util: Add Join helper to join a list of strings
647 2019-08-22T13:05:22  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faebf62 MarcoFalke: rpc: Use Join helper in rpc/util
648 2019-08-22T13:05:22  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 52b9797 MarcoFalke: Merge #16670: util: Add Join helper to join a list of strings
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651 2019-08-22T13:06:20  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16670: util: Add Join helper to join a list of strings (master...1908-utilStringJoin) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16670
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669 2019-08-22T13:53:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jtimon opened pull request #16680: Preparations for more testchains (master...b19-testchains-qt) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16680
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673 2019-08-22T13:57:32  <jtimon> I don't think https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8994 needs conceptual review, it needs review and testing
674 2019-08-22T13:58:03  <jtimon> on the other hand, I think #16524 #16526 and #16527 do need conceptual review
675 2019-08-22T13:58:05  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16524 | Wallet: Disable -fallbackfee by default by jtimon · Pull Request #16524 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
676 2019-08-22T13:58:07  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16526 | A: Refactor: Chainparams: readability by jtimon · Pull Request #16526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
677 2019-08-22T13:58:09  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16527 | B: Get rid of Params().RequireStandard() by jtimon · Pull Request #16527 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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682 2019-08-22T14:16:45  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jtimon opened pull request #16681: QA: Adapt BitcoinTestFramework for chains other than "regtest" (master...b19-testchains-tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16681
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690 2019-08-22T14:52:27  <emilengler> How do I write a release note?
691 2019-08-22T14:52:39  <emilengler> Like is there a file for the upcoming release where PR authors can append their change?
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699 2019-08-22T15:33:40  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery opened pull request #16682: net_processing: Disconnect blocks-only peers that send us tx INVs (master...2019-08-disconnect-blocksonly-violators) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16682
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717 2019-08-22T16:58:10  <jonatack> emilengler: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/developer-notes.md#release-notes then see release note commits for examples
718 2019-08-22T17:13:41  <emilengler> jonatack: thanks
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735 2019-08-22T19:00:18  <meshcollider> meeting?
736 2019-08-22T19:01:09  <jnewbery> hi
737 2019-08-22T19:01:12  <jonasschnelli> hi
738 2019-08-22T19:01:17  <provoostenator> hi
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740 2019-08-22T19:01:27  <jeremyrubin> hi
741 2019-08-22T19:01:30  <ariard> hi
742 2019-08-22T19:01:32  <sipa> hi
743 2019-08-22T19:01:46  <dongcarl> hi
744 2019-08-22T19:02:15  <meshcollider> ping wumpus
745 2019-08-22T19:03:05  <dongcarl> 0 received, 100% packet loss
746 2019-08-22T19:03:23  <jonasschnelli> #startmeeting
747 2019-08-22T19:03:23  <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 22 19:03:23 2019 UTC.  The chair is jonasschnelli. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
748 2019-08-22T19:03:23  <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
749 2019-08-22T19:03:43  <jonasschnelli> There are no proposed topics
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751 2019-08-22T19:03:55  <jonasschnelli> (so far)
752 2019-08-22T19:04:20  <meshcollider> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball
753 2019-08-22T19:04:23  <jonasschnelli> #topic high priority for review
754 2019-08-22T19:04:27  <jonasschnelli> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8
755 2019-08-22T19:04:30  <gleb> hi
756 2019-08-22T19:04:33  <jonasschnelli> Anything to change?
757 2019-08-22T19:04:49  <achow101> hi
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760 2019-08-22T19:05:33  <wumpus> test
761 2019-08-22T19:05:38  <jonasschnelli> pong
762 2019-08-22T19:05:43  <wumpus> wow, i'm visible now?
763 2019-08-22T19:05:52  <meshcollider> wumpus: Yep
764 2019-08-22T19:06:10  <wumpus> apparently I wasn't authenticated with freenode so no one was seeing my messages? this was really strange\
765 2019-08-22T19:06:30  <wumpus> was already surprised why the meetingstart bot wasn't working
766 2019-08-22T19:06:35  <achow101> how long has wumpus been shouting into the void?
767 2019-08-22T19:06:37  <jonasschnelli> heh
768 2019-08-22T19:06:40  <meshcollider> provoostenator has had similar issues before I think
769 2019-08-22T19:06:42  <wumpus> about five minutes :)
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771 2019-08-22T19:07:01  <jeremyrubin> we miss anything good?
772 2019-08-22T19:07:05  <jonasschnelli> omg... must have felt terrible
773 2019-08-22T19:07:20  <wumpus> no, about the same jonasschnelli did :)
774 2019-08-22T19:08:06  <harding> FYI,I saw "hi" or similar from the following people.  If you're not listed, you might be muted.  meshcollider jnewbery jonasschnelli provoostenator jeremyrubin ariard sipa dongcarl gleb achow101 (and, just now, wumpus).
775 2019-08-22T19:08:08  <provoostenator> meshcollider: indeed, that's always fun
776 2019-08-22T19:08:21  <wumpus> so anyhow, feel free to keep chairing the meeting
777 2019-08-22T19:09:53  <meshcollider> So far no one has any topics
778 2019-08-22T19:09:56  <jonasschnelli> Looks like non of the high prio PR's are ready to merge,...
779 2019-08-22T19:10:05  <dongcarl> #proposedmeetingtopic upgrade to C++17
780 2019-08-22T19:10:05  <jtimon> hi
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782 2019-08-22T19:10:21  <jonasschnelli> #topic upgrade to C++17 (dongcarl)
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784 2019-08-22T19:10:52  <dongcarl> I looked at the history a little, and there was a PR for upgrading to C++14
785 2019-08-22T19:10:59  <wumpus> I think no one was prepared for that one
786 2019-08-22T19:11:00  <jeremyrubin> What are the major new features?
787 2019-08-22T19:11:14  <dongcarl> I believe that 17 has a lot of functionality that would simplify our codebase
788 2019-08-22T19:11:26  <dongcarl> jeremyrubin: https://github.com/AnthonyCalandra/modern-cpp-features
789 2019-08-22T19:11:34  <wumpus> would it replace any boost use?
790 2019-08-22T19:11:47  <dongcarl> wumpus: Yes, I believe we rely on boost::optional
791 2019-08-22T19:12:08  <wumpus> what would be minimum supported clang and gcc? which linux distros carry those? what about debian stable?
792 2019-08-22T19:12:21  <wumpus> I think we have our own optional<>
793 2019-08-22T19:12:27  <wumpus> but that's not really a big deal
794 2019-08-22T19:12:48  <dongcarl> our own optional is just a wrapper around boost optional
795 2019-08-22T19:12:54  <kanzure> hi
796 2019-08-22T19:12:55  <dongcarl> Also c++17 has a filesystem module
797 2019-08-22T19:13:05  <dongcarl> The minimum for ALL 17 is GCC8
798 2019-08-22T19:13:22  <dongcarl> debian stable is on 8
799 2019-08-22T19:13:27  <dongcarl> and RHEL dts is on 8
800 2019-08-22T19:13:32  <achow101> are we going to just skip 14?
801 2019-08-22T19:13:38  <wumpus> ubuntu 18.04 still has 7.4.0
802 2019-08-22T19:13:45  <wumpus> ther's no way we're going to do this yet, imo, sorry
803 2019-08-22T19:14:21  <dongcarl> Okay
804 2019-08-22T19:14:27  <wumpus> achow101: 14 was not worth it, 17 probably is, but it's imo too early
805 2019-08-22T19:14:32  <wumpus> but others might have other opinions
806 2019-08-22T19:14:38  <dongcarl> Ubuntu has 8 packaged
807 2019-08-22T19:14:49  <achow101> most of gcc 7 has 17
808 2019-08-22T19:14:50  <wumpus> yes, but the default is 7.4.0
809 2019-08-22T19:15:01  <achow101> err... gcc 7 has most of 14
810 2019-08-22T19:15:06  <wumpus> I don't really want to cause people trouble for no good reason
811 2019-08-22T19:15:09  <achow101> *17
812 2019-08-22T19:15:22  <dongcarl> support matrix: https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx17
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814 2019-08-22T19:15:23  <jeremyrubin> there doesn't seem to be too much new in 14+17
815 2019-08-22T19:15:40  <jeremyrubin> the filesystem module seems compelling tho
816 2019-08-22T19:15:47  <dongcarl> this is the only feature that requires GCC8: http://wg21.link/p0512r0
817 2019-08-22T19:16:01  <jeremyrubin> But IIRC wumpus had some work that was replacing the fs module
818 2019-08-22T19:16:07  <wumpus> has anyone tried replacing boost filesystem with it in our usage? anything missing?
819 2019-08-22T19:16:08  <ryanofsky> wumpus, any people you are worried about in particular? i'd expect most non-developers to just use binaries and not be affected
820 2019-08-22T19:16:22  <sipa> for a long time we had C++11-minus-thread_local as guideline; perhaps there is something similar for C++17 that would bring the compatibility up?
821 2019-08-22T19:16:26  <wumpus> ryanofsky: I'd like bitcoind to be easily buildable on a wide range of systems such as VPSes and such
822 2019-08-22T19:16:49  <wumpus> many people build bitcoin from source
823 2019-08-22T19:17:08  <sipa> i'd like c++17, but not until it's easily supportable on all reasonable systems
824 2019-08-22T19:17:16  <ryanofsky> so we are worried about the type of person who knows how to build bitcoin from source, but not how to install an updated compiler
825 2019-08-22T19:17:16  <dongcarl> GCC7 has everything but one obscure C++17 feature: https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx17
826 2019-08-22T19:17:26  <dongcarl> What systems are we concerned about?
827 2019-08-22T19:17:41  <wumpus> please, installing an updated compiler can be nasty on some platforms
828 2019-08-22T19:18:03  <wumpus> gcc7 as requirement might be ok, but 8 is not
829 2019-08-22T19:18:09  <ryanofsky> wumpus, i guess i'm not aware...
830 2019-08-22T19:18:38  <dongcarl> I'm sorry I misspoke
831 2019-08-22T19:18:49  <sipa> also, there is a historical case of a miner not wanting to update because he couldn't get a c++11 compatible compiler or something
832 2019-08-22T19:18:57  <wumpus> I think we should have this discussion on github, not in the meeting
833 2019-08-22T19:19:25  <MarcoFalke> I'd say that installing a package (compiler or anything) not through a package manager should not be encouraged by us
834 2019-08-22T19:19:26  <dongcarl> Okay
835 2019-08-22T19:19:38  <ryanofsky> yeah, it'd be good to know specifics of who would be affected
836 2019-08-22T19:19:40  <jnewbery> why is this off-topic for a meeting?
837 2019-08-22T19:19:43  <meshcollider> So C++17-class_template_argument_ddeduction might be ok then
838 2019-08-22T19:19:43  <wumpus> MarcoFalke:yes it sounds strange to me
839 2019-08-22T19:19:51  <wumpus> jnewbery: it's not off topic
840 2019-08-22T19:20:13  <wumpus> but I think this requires a fair amount of research, to see what is affected and what not
841 2019-08-22T19:20:24  <wumpus> and als o*why* we want this
842 2019-08-22T19:20:36  <wumpus> and maybe someone actualy implementing the fs stuff using std filesystem and seeing what comes up
843 2019-08-22T19:20:57  <wumpus> it seem a bit random to just propose 'oh let's bump the requirement to c++17'
844 2019-08-22T19:21:07  <MarcoFalke> There was an issue on C++14 and it was rejected because centos and similar didn't ship a C++14 compiler. Unless this changes, we don't even need to chat about C++17
845 2019-08-22T19:21:10  <wumpus> but that might be just me
846 2019-08-22T19:21:40  <sipa> well when we eventually want to switch to c++17 we will want to discuss it in the meeting
847 2019-08-22T19:21:46  <dongcarl> I'm sorry, I might be mis-remembering, but in the previous C++14 PR, someone requested for things like this to be discussed in a meeting
848 2019-08-22T19:21:47  <jnewbery> I think it's useful to solicit opinions in a meeting
849 2019-08-22T19:21:50  <dongcarl> So that's what I did
850 2019-08-22T19:21:55  <sipa> but it sounds like we may not have enough information right now
851 2019-08-22T19:21:59  <wumpus> dongcarl: sure
852 2019-08-22T19:22:13  <dongcarl> I'll open an issue, we'll discuss there
853 2019-08-22T19:22:19  <jonasschnelli> ack
854 2019-08-22T19:22:22  <wumpus> ack, thanks
855 2019-08-22T19:22:56  <jonasschnelli> I guess it needs a rational. Benefits / risks / user-costs
856 2019-08-22T19:23:14  <wumpus> right
857 2019-08-22T19:23:16  <jonatack> hi
858 2019-08-22T19:23:41  <meshcollider> Centos still has 4.8.5 from what I can see
859 2019-08-22T19:23:57  <MarcoFalke> jup
860 2019-08-22T19:24:37  <MarcoFalke> So first we'd need to wait for centos 8 to come out and then give users plenty of time to upgrade
861 2019-08-22T19:25:12  <wumpus> it'd be too late for 0.19 anyhow, but probably not 0.20 (in half a year) then either
862 2019-08-22T19:26:02  <MarcoFalke> https://wiki.centos.org/About/Building_8
863 2019-08-22T19:26:22  <MarcoFalke> apparently they have an rc out
864 2019-08-22T19:26:31  <wumpus> a reminder that 0.19 release date is getting pretty close, soft string freeze is 2019-09-01, feature freeze 2019-09-15, that's less than a month
865 2019-08-22T19:26:51  <sipa> thanks
866 2019-08-22T19:27:07  <wumpus> we probably should start prioritizing features for review that need to make it in for 0.19
867 2019-08-22T19:27:15  <wumpus> or at least, would be nice to make it in
868 2019-08-22T19:27:17  <MarcoFalke> quick. Merge all the things!111!!!
869 2019-08-22T19:27:31  <wumpus> heh
870 2019-08-22T19:29:28  <wumpus> ok, any other topics?
871 2019-08-22T19:30:27  <wumpus> #endmeeting
872 2019-08-22T19:30:33  <jonasschnelli> #endmeeting
873 2019-08-22T19:30:33  <lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Aug 22 19:30:33 2019 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
874 2019-08-22T19:30:33  <lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-22-19.03.html
875 2019-08-22T19:30:33  <lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-22-19.03.txt
876 2019-08-22T19:30:33  <lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-22-19.03.log.html
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878 2019-08-22T19:31:59  <elichai2> Is it ok to open an issue listing wanted features in 14+17 and then I/we can update current status of compilers and OSs? (and say if these features are even worth it)
879 2019-08-22T19:33:36  <wumpus> elichai2: sure, but I think dongcarl is opening an issue about it
880 2019-08-22T19:33:50  <dongcarl> elichai2: I'll link you
881 2019-08-22T19:33:53  <elichai2> ok dongcarl send the link and i'll comment there :)
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897 2019-08-22T20:12:46  <jtimon> I don't think it belonged in the meeting, but as said, I don't think #8994 needs the "needs conceptual review" tag, while #16524 #16526 and #16527 need it (specially the last 2, since they compete with each other)
898 2019-08-22T20:12:50  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/8994 | Testchains: Introduce custom chain whose constructor... by jtimon · Pull Request #8994 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
899 2019-08-22T20:12:51  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16524 | Wallet: Disable -fallbackfee by default by jtimon · Pull Request #16524 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
900 2019-08-22T20:12:52  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16527 | B: Get rid of Params().RequireStandard() by jtimon · Pull Request #16527 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
901 2019-08-22T20:12:54  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16526 | A: Refactor: Chainparams: readability by jtimon · Pull Request #16526 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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903 2019-08-22T20:25:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] BlockMechanic opened pull request #16686: Fix missing destructor in class (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16686
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907 2019-08-22T20:33:43  <dongcarl> Is there a better way to terminate message deserialization early (when you encounter absurdities) than to throw  an exception in `Unserialize` and catching it in `ProcessMessages`?
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910 2019-08-22T20:35:39  <provoostenator> Sorry for the join/leave noise. Vanity IPv6 address achieved :-)
911 2019-08-22T20:36:31  <provoostenator> (brushing up my IP tables understandings, because I'm reorganzing my DNS seeds)
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925 2019-08-22T21:19:15  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] elichai opened pull request #16687: Taproot :) (master...taproot-rebase-52b9797) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16687
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930 2019-08-22T21:32:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery closed pull request #16687: Taproot :) (master...taproot-rebase-52b9797) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16687
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943 2019-08-22T22:08:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jkczyz opened pull request #16688: log: Add validation interface logging (master...2019-08-validation-logging) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16688
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956 2019-08-22T22:41:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ariard opened pull request #16689: Add missing fields in some rpc wallets helps (master...2019-08-missing-fields-rpcs-help) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16689
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