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  4 2019-08-29T00:10:56  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master aff1c9c Aaron Clauson: Adds an option to msbuild common configuration to ignore linker warning 42...
  5 2019-08-29T00:10:56  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 7fbbd6f fanquake: Merge #16746: msbuild: Ignore linker warning
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  8 2019-08-29T00:11:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16746: msbuild: Ignore linker warning (master...msvc_ignore_4221) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16746
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 46 2019-08-29T03:20:29  <fanquake> sipa: if you're still around, want to take a look at #14862 ?
 47 2019-08-29T03:20:31  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/14862 | doc: Declare BLOCK_VALID_HEADER reserved by MarcoFalke · Pull Request #14862 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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 64 2019-08-29T03:55:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 639a416 setpill: Chgrp config dir to bitcoin in systemd service
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 89 2019-08-29T06:58:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] sipsorcery closed pull request #16747: msbuild: Add missing classes to the bench_bitcoin project (master...add_missing_bench) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16747
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124 2019-08-29T09:25:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] michaelfolkson opened pull request #16752: doc: Replace stale URL in test README with alternative Boost resource (master...20190829-boost-url) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16752
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129 2019-08-29T09:37:14  <wumpus> fanquake: I guess the idea was to do 0.17.2 soon
130 2019-08-29T09:37:37  <fanquake> wumpus: Yes I think so.
131 2019-08-29T09:37:41  <wumpus> is 16638 held up on me?
132 2019-08-29T09:38:17  <fanquake> wumpus: It probably needs your sign-off / look over again.
133 2019-08-29T09:38:23  <wumpus> okay!
134 2019-08-29T09:38:40  <fanquake> I re-pulled some translations, but nothing major.
135 2019-08-29T09:43:58  <wumpus> it looks good to me
136 2019-08-29T09:46:12  <fanquake> wumpus: 👍
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144 2019-08-29T09:59:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 5 commits to 0.17: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c165df198d6e...01a1537fe02d
145 2019-08-29T09:59:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.17 b4472f5 fanquake: build: bump version to 0.17.2
146 2019-08-29T09:59:01  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.17 c56c9ad fanquake: doc: update manpages for 0.17.2
147 2019-08-29T09:59:02  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.17 6b42df8 fanquake: qt: 0.17.2 translation update
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150 2019-08-29T09:59:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16638: [0.17] Release preparations for 0.17.2 (0.17...0-17-2-release-prep) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16638
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152 2019-08-29T10:02:14  <promag> kallewoof: ping
153 2019-08-29T10:02:45  <provoostenator> Lol, the merge script caught an @ sjors because it was right behind an ACK: https://github.com/syscoin/syscoin/commit/ab294f70a18ea1141a26ec3d25ffb028ae4d9842
154 2019-08-29T10:03:23  <promag> sorry provoostenator :/
155 2019-08-29T10:03:59  <promag> there's always a corner case
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157 2019-08-29T10:04:29  <promag> kallewoof: for explicit fee modes conf_target should be required no?
158 2019-08-29T10:05:33  <wumpus> promag: whoops
159 2019-08-29T10:05:40  <wumpus> I mean, provoostenator
160 2019-08-29T10:05:47  <wumpus> I don't think it checks there for @, no
161 2019-08-29T10:06:09  <wumpus> likely it should :)
162 2019-08-29T10:06:24  <provoostenator> Next time I'll just say: "ACK, don't at me"
163 2019-08-29T10:06:47  <promag> it that case it should drop @
164 2019-08-29T10:06:50  <wumpus> haha "be careful what you say after/before an ACK, the whole line will be in git history forever"
165 2019-08-29T10:07:24  <wumpus> promag: yes, throwing away the @'s would likely be fine there
166 2019-08-29T10:08:07  <fanquake> can't stop the spam
167 2019-08-29T10:08:38  <wumpus> \o/
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175 2019-08-29T10:27:51  <provoostenator> Now that the Github CEO has our ear, we could also just ask them to fix this.
176 2019-08-29T10:28:19  <wumpus> I think they see it as a feature
177 2019-08-29T10:28:46  <wumpus> it would be a useful per-user setting maybe, "don't notify me when my name appears in commits"
178 2019-08-29T10:29:29  <wumpus> (thinking of it, their almost total lack of notification settings already came up before)
179 2019-08-29T10:33:15  <provoostenator> They should also find a way to discourage recency-bias. The notifications page strongly pushes for a bias to reacting to new stuff
180 2019-08-29T10:33:32  <provoostenator> The blue dot makes that worse
181 2019-08-29T10:33:36  <wumpus> yes, though I think this is a problem with the whole internet
182 2019-08-29T10:33:48  <provoostenator> Sure, fix the internet as well :-)
183 2019-08-29T10:34:06  <provoostenator> In fact, I'd say it's human nature.
184 2019-08-29T10:34:08  <wumpus> I mean, they use kind of default user conventions which don't get much thought
185 2019-08-29T10:35:23  <wumpus> let's fix human nature, now you're talking xD
186 2019-08-29T10:36:24  <TheHoliestRoger> is there a discussion open about algorithm/mining at all?
187 2019-08-29T10:37:03  <TheHoliestRoger> just out of curiosity, i'm not trying to troll or shill anything
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191 2019-08-29T10:40:46  <wumpus> TheHoliestRoger: the bitcoin-dev mailing list archives would be the place to look for that
192 2019-08-29T10:41:10  <TheHoliestRoger> thanks wumpus, is it a discussion still ongoing or is it put to bed?
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200 2019-08-29T10:44:38  <wumpus> TheHoliestRoger: I'm sure people are still talking about it somewhere, but not sure anything changed for years regarding that
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202 2019-08-29T10:52:26  <TheHoliestRoger> wumpus: just been reading the list, i see various people trying to talk about eco friendly options but they're just met with resistance explaining the flaws rather than ideas of hwo to make it viable
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204 2019-08-29T10:52:37  <TheHoliestRoger> it's a shame, we can't keep doing this forever
205 2019-08-29T10:53:20  <TheHoliestRoger> (i am all for btc btw, i'm just losing faith in cryptocurrency in general)
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207 2019-08-29T10:53:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/fc5b756bae26...1f77c5c3e7c0
208 2019-08-29T10:53:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa60583 MarcoFalke: ci: Pass down $MAKEJOBS to test_runner.py
209 2019-08-29T10:53:36  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa27372 MarcoFalke: ci: Move CCACHE_DIR and test_runner tmp dir into ./ci/scratch/
210 2019-08-29T10:53:37  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1f77c5c Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16739: ci: Pass down $MAKEJOBS to test_runner.py, other improvement...
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212 2019-08-29T10:54:12  <wumpus> nothing can be done forever, things always change, circumstances always change, who says it's needed forever ? in any case, this is not the place for such discussions, the channel is for day-to-day development of the code base
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214 2019-08-29T10:54:40  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16739: ci: Pass down $MAKEJOBS to test_runner.py, other improvements (master...1908-ciScratch) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16739
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216 2019-08-29T10:55:01  <TheHoliestRoger> fair enough, apologies
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219 2019-08-29T11:05:55  <promag> feature_block.py keeps failing
220 2019-08-29T11:06:29  <fanquake> promag: also #16744
221 2019-08-29T11:06:30  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16744 | test: feature_block exits successfully even on failure · Issue #16744 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
222 2019-08-29T11:07:13  <promag> ah
223 2019-08-29T11:09:36  <fanquake> hebasto: What looks wrong in #16752? Looks fine to me?
224 2019-08-29T11:09:38  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16752 | doc: Delete stale URL in test README by michaelfolkson · Pull Request #16752 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
225 2019-08-29T11:09:50  <promag> can someone chime in #16285
226 2019-08-29T11:09:52  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16285 | rpc: Improve scantxoutset response and help message by promag · Pull Request #16285 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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228 2019-08-29T11:10:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1f77c5c3e7c0...aca76b9ee89e
229 2019-08-29T11:10:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2e1455c Hennadii Stepanov: Replace obsolete functions of QSslSocket
230 2019-08-29T11:10:29  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master aca76b9 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16708: qt: Replace obsolete functions of QSslSocket
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233 2019-08-29T11:11:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16708: qt: Replace obsolete functions of QSslSocket (master...20190824-obsolete-qssl) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16708
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237 2019-08-29T11:16:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #16381: Set minimum required Boost to 1.53.0 (master...20190713-bump-minimum-boost) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16381
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241 2019-08-29T11:18:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/aca76b9ee89e...b7ff38972c39
242 2019-08-29T11:18:48  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 41d484d Michael Folkson: doc: Delete stale URL in test README
243 2019-08-29T11:18:48  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b7ff389 fanquake: Merge #16752: doc: Delete stale URL in test README
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246 2019-08-29T11:19:47  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16752: doc: Delete stale URL in test README (master...20190829-boost-url) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16752
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252 2019-08-29T11:33:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/b7ff38972c39...dcfd85acb428
253 2019-08-29T11:33:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d53d591 Aaron Clauson: Added the bench_bitcoin project to the list automatically produced by the ...
254 2019-08-29T11:33:57  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dcfd85a fanquake: Merge #16750: msbuild: adds bench_bitcoin to auto generated project files
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257 2019-08-29T11:34:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16750: msbuild: adds bench_bitcoin to auto generated project files (master...autogen_bench) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16750
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261 2019-08-29T11:40:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #16753: wallet: extract PubKey from P2PK script with Solver (master...extractpubkey_with_solver) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16753
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266 2019-08-29T11:49:47  <wumpus> FYI #16754, this has been dragging on for multiple releases, I think it's time to change to a new transifex org if this can't be resolves. So please: if anyone knows seone, or can contact them, let me know
267 2019-08-29T11:49:48  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16754 | Transifex organization issues · Issue #16754 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
268 2019-08-29T11:50:54  <fanquake> #proposedmeetingtopic transifex org discussion
269 2019-08-29T11:51:54  <fanquake> Just realised the meeting is tonight. Likely wont be there so someone else can discuss.
270 2019-08-29T11:52:50  <wumpus> well can bring it up at least
271 2019-08-29T11:53:28  <luke-jr> #proposedmeetingtopic macOS/GNOME developers pushing their UI on everyone else
272 2019-08-29T11:54:01  <luke-jr> though I have to pick kids up at school during meeting as usual :x
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277 2019-08-29T12:05:17  <promag> luke-jr: imho we have so few menu items - in contrast to other apps like design/3d/video/music/word where the icons help moving fast - that icons don't really matter and they don't improve accessibility that much either
278 2019-08-29T12:06:35  <luke-jr> promag: yet they are part of KDE/Windows UI design, and someone is willing to maintain them
279 2019-08-29T12:07:46  <promag> yeah kde/win support icons but it's optional
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281 2019-08-29T12:09:39  <promag> fwiw I don't care that much if icons are added back, but its like jonasschnelli said, there's a lot of ui/ux improvements and icons seem the wrong place to spend energy
282 2019-08-29T12:10:18  <luke-jr> if nobody wants to do it, I don't care, but in fact someone does
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284 2019-08-29T12:10:22  <wumpus> it kind of only makes sense if it'd use icons from the system theme
285 2019-08-29T12:11:06  <wumpus> bitcoin-qt using its own menu icons was kind of silly, and doesn't help at all with the purpose of icons to make things more familiar
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287 2019-08-29T12:13:04  <luke-jr> KDE HIG: "Provide icons for all menu items. Don’t re-use the same icon for multiple items."
288 2019-08-29T12:13:15  <luke-jr> https://hig.kde.org/components/navigation/menubar.html
289 2019-08-29T12:14:27  <wumpus> so now you're trying to push the KDE interface guidelines on everyone else, how is that better :)
290 2019-08-29T12:14:31  <promag> energy spent bikeshedding UI by category: labels:1 layouts:10 colors:100 shortcuts:1000 icons:>9000
291 2019-08-29T12:14:35  <luke-jr> wumpus: I imagine Qt has a way to get at theme icons
292 2019-08-29T12:14:37  <wumpus> the GUI maintainer should make a decision about this
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294 2019-08-29T12:14:47  <wumpus> and that's it, cant accomodate everyone
295 2019-08-29T12:14:47  <luke-jr> wumpus: no, Qt adapts to macOS/GNOME themes as already noted
296 2019-08-29T12:14:57  <promag> wumpus: I think he did
297 2019-08-29T12:15:00  <wumpus> we're not going to reconsider this every time
298 2019-08-29T12:15:02  <wumpus> promag: right
299 2019-08-29T12:15:24  <luke-jr> promag: icons come up maybe once a year at most
300 2019-08-29T12:15:45  <promag> luke-jr: they will come no more X)
301 2019-08-29T12:16:00  <fanquake> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16729#issuecomment-524967201
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303 2019-08-29T12:18:32  <promag> luke-jr: kidding.. I just think the common denominator and the least controversial choice is to have no icons
304 2019-08-29T12:18:46  <wumpus> no *menu* icons
305 2019-08-29T12:18:50  <luke-jr> GUI maintainer forcing his particular platform's HIG on everyone else, is an abuse of position
306 2019-08-29T12:18:55  <wumpus> I don't think anyone is arguing to remove all icons
307 2019-08-29T12:19:10  <luke-jr> promag: people who don't want icons don't see them
308 2019-08-29T12:20:17  <luke-jr> Qt deals with this already
309 2019-08-29T12:21:56  <wumpus> it's just giving way too much discussion, especially if you'd want to follow the KDE guideline to have an icon for every item
310 2019-08-29T12:22:17  <wumpus> I mean there was a PR disussing whether to use a box with an arrow or floppy for a save action
311 2019-08-29T12:22:23  <luke-jr> then ignore those PRs..
312 2019-08-29T12:22:25  <wumpus> how is that in any way conductvie to this project
313 2019-08-29T12:22:39  <luke-jr> using theme icons will reduce that kind of debate too
314 2019-08-29T12:22:52  <wumpus> it's just not worth it, I'm sure you'll want to do it differently in knots, that's fine :)
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316 2019-08-29T12:23:32  <luke-jr> actually, I can't easily add icons to Knots because they're binary files and Core doesn't do SVGs.
317 2019-08-29T12:24:02  <luke-jr> for some minor things, I have some tooling to render SVGs at build time, but doing it for all the menu icons would be sufficiently painful that I probably just won't
318 2019-08-29T12:24:06  <wumpus> yes, I think using theme icons would be considerably better, the problem is that once you do that, you can only use theme icons because any custom ones will always conflict with the theme
319 2019-08-29T12:25:14  <wumpus> I think it was even tried once to replace the icons by theme ones, but there were some issues, like the theme icons not being the same ones nor available on all platforms, it's not as easy and consistent as it sounds
320 2019-08-29T12:26:34  <wumpus> but you're welcome to try, I mean, fall back to no icons if they're not available in the theme is fine I guess
321 2019-08-29T12:26:56  <wumpus> (as this is basically to accomodate KDE now)
322 2019-08-29T12:27:05  <luke-jr> Windows also
323 2019-08-29T12:27:13  <wumpus> windows definitely has no theme icons
324 2019-08-29T12:27:29  <wumpus> that's a linux distribution thing
325 2019-08-29T12:29:26  <luke-jr> anyway, my point isn't to get into the details here - just to get past blocking it because their particular platform doesn't use it
326 2019-08-29T12:32:38  <wumpus> I just mean: if you can make a  patch to add back icons for KDE, taken from the theme, so it doesn't have to clutter the repo nor generate discussion about particular icons, it'll probably be an easy ACK for me
327 2019-08-29T12:33:25  <wumpus> if ont, it's not worth discussing
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330 2019-08-29T12:42:15  <luke-jr> looks like Qt supports Windows icons too: https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-4.8/qstyle.html#StandardPixmap-enum
331 2019-08-29T12:42:24  <luke-jr> hopefully QIcon::fromTheme can handle it by now :/
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335 2019-08-29T12:54:39  <jonasschnelli> Are we really having ultra long discussions about icon? Most users are not willing to run core because of fundamental UX issues.
336 2019-08-29T12:54:44  <jonasschnelli> *icons*
337 2019-08-29T12:55:19  <wumpus> I agree, for example that it still hangs the GUI thread while syncing
338 2019-08-29T12:55:26  <jonasschnelli> Yes.
339 2019-08-29T12:56:09  <jonasschnelli> Or that most systems are basically not usable with default configurations during IBD (due to maximising usage of system resources)
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341 2019-08-29T12:56:57  <jonasschnelli> Bring the icons back, I don't care.
342 2019-08-29T12:57:10  <jonasschnelli> But don't expect that users will use or not-use core because of that.
343 2019-08-29T12:57:16  <fanquake> Core running on a *fairly* powerful macbook is just about unusable during IBD. Constant beachballing / lag in the GUI.
344 2019-08-29T12:57:38  <fanquake> jonasschnelli: I'm also in agreement with you.
345 2019-08-29T12:58:16  <luke-jr> the guy working on icons, isn't capable of lag stuff AFAICT
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347 2019-08-29T12:58:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/dcfd85acb428...d20d171f26c2
348 2019-08-29T12:58:25  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1260ecd Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Add TextWidth() wrapper
349 2019-08-29T12:58:26  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c6dd32d Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Replace obsolete functions of QDesktopWidget
350 2019-08-29T12:58:26  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d20d171 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16701: qt: Replace functions deprecated in Qt 5.13
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353 2019-08-29T12:59:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16701: qt: Replace functions deprecated in Qt 5.13 (master...20190823-qt13-deprecated) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16701
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355 2019-08-29T12:59:54  <wumpus> luke-jr: maybe, but it elevates the noise thrshold for everyone, I think it is good to take away things that create a culture in the project of bikeshedding
356 2019-08-29T13:01:58  <luke-jr> maybe a separate UX-specific repo that UX-concerned people can work at, with a per-release PR to the main repo?
357 2019-08-29T13:03:53  <wumpus> I don't think anyone is interested in going that far
358 2019-08-29T13:04:55  <wumpus> I mean, I'm not against anyone doing that, if they can make it work, but it seems a lot of coordination and work for something pretty far down the ladder of concerns for the project overall
359 2019-08-29T13:05:31  <wumpus> (I remember something like that was tried for "trivial" PRs once, like those that fix typos in comments and such, but it broke down pretty quickly)
360 2019-08-29T13:06:28  <wumpus> anyhow, if someone *would* solve long running, fundamental issues like the UI lag issue I'd be very inclined to pay more heed to their ideas about icons as well :)
361 2019-08-29T13:07:31  <luke-jr> seems like two things at fundamentally different skill levels :/
362 2019-08-29T13:07:47  <wumpus> it's true, but one is a path toward UI maintainer, the other is not, I mean
363 2019-08-29T13:07:52  <luke-jr> already too many people get the impression contributing to Core requires high skill
364 2019-08-29T13:08:33  <promag> not "different skill levels", just "different skills"
365 2019-08-29T13:08:44  <wumpus> sure, and that again is still a very different kind of skill than say, contributing to consensus code
366 2019-08-29T13:09:08  <promag> good icons are made by skilled designers
367 2019-08-29T13:09:31  <wumpus> this isn't about icon design really
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371 2019-08-29T13:13:58  <wumpus> I thnk if you'd really want a designer involved with bitcoin's gui you'd want to start from the top, the layout and such, not from minimal things like the icons ... but usability is more important than design that's clear, it's what people actually struggle with now
372 2019-08-29T13:15:15  <promag> it's what people actually struggle with now -> is there a place to see the complaints?
373 2019-08-29T13:15:40  <wumpus> heck even the developers stuggle with the lag issue
374 2019-08-29T13:16:12  <wumpus> anyhow I"m tired of this, no longer going to argue, it just goes on and on and on
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376 2019-08-29T13:17:35  <jonasschnelli> Regardless of icons yes or now. There is a very low probability that we revert something we jjust got 7 acks for. That's the reason why I closed the PR.
377 2019-08-29T13:17:46  <wumpus> yes
378 2019-08-29T13:18:09  <jonasschnelli> If one has a new approach, better, that is not just reverting a 7-ack PR, bring it!
379 2019-08-29T13:18:14  <promag> regarding UI lag -> #16261
380 2019-08-29T13:18:17  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16261 | gui: Refactor OpenWalletActivity by promag · Pull Request #16261 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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383 2019-08-29T13:18:30  <jonasschnelli> Everything else is a waste of everyones time
384 2019-08-29T13:18:53  <jonasschnelli> Thanks promag: will test asap
385 2019-08-29T13:18:59  <fanquake> yes I should review that, givens it's also the base of create wallet
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387 2019-08-29T13:19:40  <promag> jonasschnelli: well maybe after 0.19?
388 2019-08-29T13:19:50  <promag> or createwallet if for 0.19?
389 2019-08-29T13:19:55  <promag> *is for
390 2019-08-29T13:20:11  <fanquake> it should be for 0.19.0
391 2019-08-29T13:20:20  <jonasschnelli> Lets try.
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394 2019-08-29T13:24:27  <promag> MarcoFalke: why does DrahtBot makes links that redirect?
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396 2019-08-29T13:25:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] GChuf opened pull request #16755: [0.17.2] Fix translations (0.17...0.17.2.fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16755
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400 2019-08-29T13:29:34  <tryphe> jonasschnelli, personally i'm not even sure why icons even matter when most of the gui UX seems in infacy still. to me it's a stylistic but non-functional change, sorta like changing a bunch of code from snake case to camel case because it looks cooler for some undetermined minority.
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402 2019-08-29T13:30:06  <jonasschnelli> Yeah
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404 2019-08-29T13:30:08  <wumpus> tryphe: I think we yet again all agree except for luke-jr :)
405 2019-08-29T13:30:52  <jonasschnelli> I vaguely remember luke-jr did also raise concerns when we change the icon to the bw-icons back in 2013.
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413 2019-08-29T13:39:12  <tryphe> wumpus, jonasschnelli: and on the topic of accessbility, i don't think icons ultimately matter too much since there are already accessibility tools offered by most OS. for example, if the person has dyslexia, there's already fonts out there for that. and if they are blind they could use Linux Screen Reader.
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415 2019-08-29T13:39:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #15965: check bad-prevblk is right error for invalid descendants (master...bad-prevblk) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15965
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417 2019-08-29T13:44:49  <jonasschnelli> tryphe: if one can't read the text next to icons, how should one manage to send or receive coins?
418 2019-08-29T13:44:52  <jonasschnelli> :-)
419 2019-08-29T13:45:18  <jonasschnelli> (I mean without further accessibility tools like screen readers, etc.)
420 2019-08-29T13:46:23  <tryphe> jonasschnelli, yeah, and Qt is extensible enough to where even if they couldn't read the text, they could modify their OS settings so they can (assuming they know how to read)
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422 2019-08-29T13:47:55  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d20d171f26c2...1f8378508acf
423 2019-08-29T13:47:56  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d75e704 Jonas Schnelli: Add log output during initial header sync
424 2019-08-29T13:47:56  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1f83785 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #15615: Add log output during initial header sync
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427 2019-08-29T13:48:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #15615: Add log output during initial header sync (master...2019/03/hdr_sync) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15615
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429 2019-08-29T13:48:54  <tryphe> jonasschnelli, there's even this checklist which doesn't even mention icons: https://doc.qt.io/qt-5/accessible.html
430 2019-08-29T13:49:33  <tryphe> to me, something much better would be supporting something like QAccessibleActionInterface
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432 2019-08-29T13:50:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to 0.17: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/01a1537fe02d...ed65d1483466
433 2019-08-29T13:50:47  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.17 b30b713 GChuf: [0.17.2] Fix translations
434 2019-08-29T13:50:47  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/0.17 ed65d14 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16755: [0.17.2] Fix translations
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437 2019-08-29T13:51:06  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16755: [0.17.2] Fix translations (0.17...0.17.2.fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16755
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441 2019-08-29T13:52:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mzumsande opened pull request #16756: test: Connection eviction ligc tests (master...201908_test_eviction) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16756
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448 2019-08-29T14:00:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/1f8378508acf...75142ece6b66
449 2019-08-29T14:00:13  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 9e0c1d6 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Remove QSignalMapper from RPCConsole
450 2019-08-29T14:00:14  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0912134 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Remove QSignalMapper from TransactionView
451 2019-08-29T14:00:15  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 75142ec Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16706: qt: Replace deprecated QSignalMapper by lambda expressions
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454 2019-08-29T14:01:06  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16706: qt: Replace deprecated QSignalMapper by lambda expressions (master...20190824-obsolete-qsignalmapper) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16706
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467 2019-08-29T14:42:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/75142ece6b66...d8fc9979130a
468 2019-08-29T14:42:27  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d48c1e8 Jonathan "Duke" Leto: Add window final block height to getchaintxstats
469 2019-08-29T14:42:27  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master d8fc997 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16695: rpc: Add window final block height to getchaintxstats
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472 2019-08-29T14:43:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16695: rpc: Add window final block height to getchaintxstats (master...getchaintxstats_height) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16695
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487 2019-08-29T16:05:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16757: doc: ActivateBestChainStep return value (master...1909-docValABCS) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16757
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492 2019-08-29T16:27:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #16758: qt: Replace QFontMetrics::width() with TextWidth() (master...20190829-pr16701-followup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16758
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501 2019-08-29T16:36:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d8fc9979130a...bcf7004a8945
502 2019-08-29T16:36:51  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c536677 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Remove obsolete QModelIndex::child()
503 2019-08-29T16:36:52  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master bcf7004 Jonas Schnelli: Merge #16707: qt: Remove obsolete QModelIndex::child()
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506 2019-08-29T16:37:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli merged pull request #16707: qt: Remove obsolete QModelIndex::child() (master...20190824-qmodelindex-child) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16707
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520 2019-08-29T17:33:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] emilengler opened pull request #16759: doc: Fix table syntax (master...2019-08-bitcoin-conf-table) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16759
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533 2019-08-29T18:30:54  <warren> FYI ... libfaketime-0.9.8 is released upstream. It works with newer glibc Linux distros out of the box. But ppc64le and aarch64 require you to build it with non-default flags to use different ifdefs in order to workaround issues. Upstream lacks automake/autoconf so it can't detect if it needs those ifdefs are needed automatically.
534 2019-08-29T18:33:29  <wumpus> we don't build faketime from source, do we? at least not in depends
535 2019-08-29T18:34:16  <warren> dunno, we blindly using the version in Ubuntu? we should build it ourselves because it intercepts a bunch of syscalls during build
536 2019-08-29T18:35:31  <wumpus> I don't think that matters for gitian, maybe for guix
537 2019-08-29T18:38:57  <warren> dongcarl: let me know when libfaketime is being updated for guix, due to the lack of auto* tooling it needs different build flags for different archs =(
538 2019-08-29T18:39:38  <dongcarl> warren: We don't need libfaketime at all for guix
539 2019-08-29T18:39:54  <warren> dongcarl: oh, good.
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541 2019-08-29T18:40:20  <dongcarl> maybe for the win/osx builds tho, still working thru windows
542 2019-08-29T18:41:59  <wumpus> oh that's very good
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544 2019-08-29T18:42:28  <wumpus> with tools becoming deterministic, the need for faketime should be less and less
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546 2019-08-29T18:50:25  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] GChuf opened pull request #16760: [qt] Change uninstall icon on Windows (master...uninstall-icon) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16760
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548 2019-08-29T18:54:41  <dongcarl> wumpus: for sure! Also standardization of `SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH` should help a bunch too
549 2019-08-29T18:56:27  * warren grumble ... libfaketime is broken if your glibc is too new
550 2019-08-29T18:58:19  <wumpus> oh no not another icon PR
551 2019-08-29T18:58:56  <wumpus> oh it's simply a setting, phew :<
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553 2019-08-29T19:00:21  <wumpus> #startmeeting
554 2019-08-29T19:00:21  <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu Aug 29 19:00:21 2019 UTC.  The chair is wumpus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
555 2019-08-29T19:00:21  <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
556 2019-08-29T19:00:23  <jonasschnelli> hi
557 2019-08-29T19:00:25  <kanzure> hi
558 2019-08-29T19:00:39  <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball kvaciral
559 2019-08-29T19:00:43  <sipa> hi
560 2019-08-29T19:00:47  <achow101> hi
561 2019-08-29T19:00:51  <meshcollider> hi
562 2019-08-29T19:00:53  <jeremyrubin> hi
563 2019-08-29T19:01:07  <phantomcircuit> hi
564 2019-08-29T19:01:12  <wumpus> no proposed topics in https://gist.github.com/moneyball/071d608fdae217c2a6d7c35955881d8a, anyone have any last minute topics?
565 2019-08-29T19:01:13  <meshcollider> wumpus isn't invisible this week \o/
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567 2019-08-29T19:01:20  <jtimon> hi
568 2019-08-29T19:01:22  <wumpus> meshcollider: hah
569 2019-08-29T19:01:48  <wumpus> I have one about #16754
570 2019-08-29T19:01:50  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16754 | Transifex organization issues · Issue #16754 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
571 2019-08-29T19:02:10  <dongcarl> fanquake: Are you here?
572 2019-08-29T19:02:39  <wumpus> #topic High priority for review
573 2019-08-29T19:02:51  <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8  5 blockers, 6 chasing concept ACK
574 2019-08-29T19:02:59  <provoostenator> hi
575 2019-08-29T19:03:05  <wumpus> anything to add/remove, or ready for merge?
576 2019-08-29T19:03:50  <dongcarl> Can we add #16392
577 2019-08-29T19:03:50  <provoostenator> #15450
578 2019-08-29T19:03:52  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16392 | WIP build: macOS toolchain update by fanquake · Pull Request #16392 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
579 2019-08-29T19:03:56  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15450 | [GUI] Create wallet menu option by achow101 · Pull Request #15450 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
580 2019-08-29T19:04:09  <wumpus> I don't think adding a WIP PR makes sense?
581 2019-08-29T19:04:27  <wumpus> it's either WIP or ready for review, not both
582 2019-08-29T19:04:36  <wumpus> or do you mean to chasing concept ACK?
583 2019-08-29T19:04:39  <provoostenator> Although achow101 already has a PR...
584 2019-08-29T19:04:44  <dongcarl> Yeah chasing concept ACK
585 2019-08-29T19:05:01  <dongcarl> Would like some discussion around updating the OS X SDK
586 2019-08-29T19:05:07  <warren> hi
587 2019-08-29T19:06:05  <wumpus> provoostenator: well you're proposing this one and you don't have one of your own so I guess that's okay
588 2019-08-29T19:07:28  <provoostenator> Awesome. It reduces the rebase hell I'm in for hardware wallet GUI.
589 2019-08-29T19:07:46  <provoostenator> And it's pretty much done anyway
590 2019-08-29T19:08:32  <wumpus> great !
591 2019-08-29T19:09:37  <wumpus> #topic Transifex organization issues
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594 2019-08-29T19:09:59  <wumpus> so basically I don't have full access to the organization under which bitcoin core's translations are, on transifex
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596 2019-08-29T19:10:18  <wumpus> none of us has, only the person who orignally created it, 'seone', does anyone perhaps know them?
597 2019-08-29T19:10:22  <wumpus> #16754
598 2019-08-29T19:10:23  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16754 | Transifex organization issues · Issue #16754 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
599 2019-08-29T19:10:47  <jonasschnelli> Could contacting transiflex eventually help?
600 2019-08-29T19:11:15  <jonasschnelli> They may help in such cases when the administrator left...
601 2019-08-29T19:11:18  <sipa> never heard of that person
602 2019-08-29T19:11:20  <wumpus> I don't know, my proposal is to move the translations to the bitcoincore org, which already has the website translations
603 2019-08-29T19:11:31  <wumpus> or at least, create them there starting with 0.19
604 2019-08-29T19:11:45  <jonasschnelli> would loosing contributors be a problem? or any other downside when moving to bitcoincore?
605 2019-08-29T19:11:47  <sipa> well would there be any overhead from the transition?
606 2019-08-29T19:11:48  <wumpus> contacting transifex might help, but may take a long time to resolve
607 2019-08-29T19:12:10  <wumpus> we're losing contributors now because I don't have access to the team page
608 2019-08-29T19:12:19  <wumpus> and can't set language coordinators andsuch
609 2019-08-29T19:12:22  <jonasschnelli> Oh. Good point.
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611 2019-08-29T19:12:43  <jonasschnelli> ack on moving from my side
612 2019-08-29T19:12:59  <provoostenator> ACK on moving or starting from scratch
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614 2019-08-29T19:13:40  <wumpus> I had hoped someone simply knew seone, I've tried contacting them through the site a few times but I think their last activity was in 2017 or so
615 2019-08-29T19:13:51  <meshcollider> You could contact transifex and just give it 3 days or so just to see what happens without waiting forever
616 2019-08-29T19:13:54  <wumpus> not aware of any IRC or github nicks
617 2019-08-29T19:13:55  <warren> In the past I knew the owner of Transifex personally but we haven't talked for years, maybe I can get his attention now.
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619 2019-08-29T19:14:09  <wumpus> oh someone on the inside of transifex would also help
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621 2019-08-29T19:14:27  <warren> let's set a timeout, if we can't get help by _______ then we move
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623 2019-08-29T19:14:51  <wumpus> the problem is that 0.19 translations are supposed to open in 3 days
624 2019-08-29T19:15:26  <wumpus> so that means we skip this for 0.19, which is fine, I guess we can mess around as we did for another release
625 2019-08-29T19:17:11  <wumpus> so are you sure enough this will work warren that it's worth that?
626 2019-08-29T19:17:43  <warren> wumpus: I don't know, I haven't tried to talk to him for many years now. Transifex started as a Fedora project over a decade ago, that's how I know him.
627 2019-08-29T19:17:53  <wumpus> oh!
628 2019-08-29T19:17:57  <warren> actually we talked maybe 4 years ago
629 2019-08-29T19:18:20  <warren> would it be a pain to move to the other org? would it confuse people?
630 2019-08-29T19:18:21  <wumpus> that's longer ago than when I talked to seone :-)
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632 2019-08-29T19:18:39  <provoostenator> So we wait 3 days to see if move can happy quckly, otherwise do 0.19 from a fresh account (maybe a day or two delayed)?
633 2019-08-29T19:19:04  <wumpus> nah, could just throw a notification in the old organisation that the translations have opened, in another place
634 2019-08-29T19:19:08  <provoostenator> Given that we have to handle backports for a while, it's nice to do 0.19 the righ tway
635 2019-08-29T19:19:59  <wumpus> I think a notification on transifex results in a mail for everyone that participates
636 2019-08-29T19:20:06  <wumpus> but yes, let's wait a week then
637 2019-08-29T19:20:07  <warren> wumpus: it's thursday now. if I can't get a response by end of Friday then assume we won't get an answer in time and plan on moving?
638 2019-08-29T19:20:09  <wumpus> any other topics?
639 2019-08-29T19:20:18  <wumpus> warren: sounds good to me!
640 2019-08-29T19:20:21  <warren> a week? OK i'll try
641 2019-08-29T19:20:45  <wumpus> yeah it's not a problem to open the translation a few days later, that's definitely happened before
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643 2019-08-29T19:22:58  <wumpus> no other topics, going to close the meeting then, thanks everyone
644 2019-08-29T19:23:10  <wumpus> #endmeeting
645 2019-08-29T19:23:10  <lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu Aug 29 19:23:10 2019 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
646 2019-08-29T19:23:10  <lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-29-19.00.html
647 2019-08-29T19:23:10  <lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-29-19.00.txt
648 2019-08-29T19:23:10  <lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2019/bitcoin-core-dev.2019-08-29-19.00.log.html
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650 2019-08-29T19:27:33  <provoostenator> A made a PR on bitcoin.org to remove a few dead torrent trackers: https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/pull/3087
651 2019-08-29T19:28:09  <provoostenator> It would be nice if Gitian / guix also generated that torrent file, in particular the info hash.
652 2019-08-29T19:28:25  <wumpus> FWIW I don't use that script to generate the torrent anymore
653 2019-08-29T19:28:40  <wumpus> it used to be that bitcoin.org automatically generated and seeded the torrent file
654 2019-08-29T19:28:47  <wumpus> but that hasn't been the case for years
655 2019-08-29T19:28:51  <provoostenator> Ah I figured it still worked that way
656 2019-08-29T19:29:06  <wumpus> no, bitcoin.org is not even the preferred download site anymore
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658 2019-08-29T19:29:25  <provoostenator> I couldn't find an equivalent script on bitcoincore.org repo
659 2019-08-29T19:29:33  <wumpus> there isn't one
660 2019-08-29T19:29:55  <wumpus> bitcoincore.org doesn't generate the torrent file / magnet link, I do that myself
661 2019-08-29T19:30:46  <wumpus> if you have an up to date list of trackers I'm happy to use them next time thogh
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663 2019-08-29T19:33:15  <wumpus> this is what I've been using: https://gist.github.com/laanwj/dcc0f30d52fdeeed57689e1edf6cc7f5
664 2019-08-29T19:34:43  <provoostenator> wumpus: zer0day.ch is gone
665 2019-08-29T19:34:52  <provoostenator> The first 3 still work
666 2019-08-29T19:35:01  <wumpus> this seems a useful list https://github.com/ngosang/trackerslist/blob/master/trackers_best.txt
667 2019-08-29T19:35:39  <wumpus> thanks, will replace that one
668 2019-08-29T19:36:47  <harding> On BitcoinCore.org, I can make the &tr=blah;&tr=blah part of the URI a part of the template so wumpus doesn't need to provide it and it can be updated across the whole site with just a +1/-1 diff.
669 2019-08-29T19:37:47  <wumpus> harding: oh sounds like a good idea, ah yes for magnet URIs it's not encoded but simply appended to the URI
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671 2019-08-29T19:39:05  <wumpus> though I'm not sure that will work
672 2019-08-29T19:39:05  <provoostenator> Also, as I pointed out in the github issue, I made my own tracker: udp://tracker.bitcoin.sprovoost.nl:6969  Happy to whitelist releases.
673 2019-08-29T19:39:13  <wumpus> don't I have to announce to the trackers?
674 2019-08-29T19:40:02  <wumpus> simply replacing the trackers in the URI, replacing them with others, might mean they don't know about it? (sorry I know very little about how torrent works so may be wrong)
675 2019-08-29T19:40:36  <wumpus> provoostenator: let's use that one too then :)
676 2019-08-29T19:41:58  <provoostenator> Thanks, just note that it's whitelisted, because I'm not in Pirate Bay mood.  So just ping me the info hash of each release.
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678 2019-08-29T19:42:57  <harding> wumpus: anyone who is seeding announces it to the trackers, I believe.
679 2019-08-29T19:43:34  <harding> wumpus: oh, I see what you're saying.
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681 2019-08-29T19:44:26  <wumpus> I'm the initial seeder :)
682 2019-08-29T19:44:56  <harding> Maybe we just keep doing it the current way.  Currently, BitcoinCore.org only shows the magnet for the latest version, so just updating the tracker list at each release (if any of them die) is probably fine.  There's no old magnet links with all dead trackers to worry about.
683 2019-08-29T19:45:15  <provoostenator> I can seed them as well, but I set an obnoxious low upload speed limit.
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687 2019-08-29T19:46:54  <wumpus> I use a VPS with pretty fast network for seeding so it's ok
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690 2019-08-29T19:47:32  <wumpus> though it never hurts if more people do so
691 2019-08-29T19:47:44  <wumpus> harding: agreed
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693 2019-08-29T19:48:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] emilengler opened pull request #16761: trivial: Add blockpause (master...2019-08-blockpause) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16761
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695 2019-08-29T19:51:22  <provoostenator> I use a VPS as well, but transmission only lets me configure a limit per second, not something more intelligent.
696 2019-08-29T19:51:52  <provoostenator> An traffic shaping IP tables is a bit above my paygrade
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699 2019-08-29T19:58:56  <phantomcircuit> provoostenator, im not sure the download size is large enough to justify a torrent really
700 2019-08-29T19:59:18  <wumpus> people use the torrent, it has existed since 2011 or so, there's no need to 'justify' it
701 2019-08-29T19:59:36  <phantomcircuit> wumpus, im genuinely surprised anybody uses it
702 2019-08-29T19:59:45  <wumpus> it's good to have alternative download places than one little server
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704 2019-08-29T20:00:33  <provoostenator> They also have the nice property of having a single identifying hash
705 2019-08-29T20:00:53  <provoostenator> Hency my suggestion to sign that in the gitian / guix process.
706 2019-08-29T20:00:54  <wumpus> also it gives you all the files at once, instead of having to download them one by one
707 2019-08-29T20:01:12  <wumpus> I don't think that can work
708 2019-08-29T20:01:20  <provoostenator> And most torrent clients let you pick which specific files you want, e.g. your own distro
709 2019-08-29T20:01:32  <wumpus> the signature includes the torrent file, and the torrent file includes the hash
710 2019-08-29T20:01:45  <wumpus> would create a circular dependency :)
711 2019-08-29T20:02:36  <provoostenator> SegWit for torrents?
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715 2019-08-29T20:05:19  <wumpus> heh
716 2019-08-29T20:12:27  <fanquake> dongcarl: hello
717 2019-08-29T20:17:22  <dongcarl> fanquake: got OSX into chasing concept ack
718 2019-08-29T20:17:52  <dongcarl> If we don’t get some kind of consensus on the ticket perhaps we’ll bring it up as meeting topic sometime
719 2019-08-29T20:18:08  <fanquake> dongcarl: 👍
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725 2019-08-29T20:31:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #16762: Rust-based Backup over-REST block downloader (master...2019-08-rusty-block-download) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16762
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736 2019-08-29T20:35:59  <provoostenator> Looks like big seeders do get (succesfully) attacked by copyright actors: https://torrentfreak.com/popular-zer0day-torrent-tracker-taken-offline-by-mass-copyright-complaint-171014/
737 2019-08-29T20:36:45  <provoostenator> But ultimately what seems to matter is whether the VPS provider, and/or domain registrar has spine.
738 2019-08-29T20:39:12  <provoostenator> Some of these trackers come and go without us even noticing :-) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBitTorrent
739 2019-08-29T20:42:15  <provoostenator> OpenTracker (the tracker, not the software by the same name) has a whopping $1 / month Patreon support. That should help their  "goal is to create a torrent tracker that will stay alive"
740 2019-08-29T20:44:44  <provoostenator> So we could probably use a few more bitcoin specific torrent trackers.
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748 2019-08-29T21:17:06  <warren> anyone know what is wumpus' transifex username?
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752 2019-08-29T21:23:27  <instagibbs> just a heads up, I've been granted merge permissions on HWI
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755 2019-08-29T21:26:19  <warren> found his transifex account name
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758 2019-08-29T21:40:56  <warren> Wrote e-mail to Transifex CEO. If I don't hear back by Monday I'll try to call and/or stop by their office nearby.
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761 2019-08-29T21:46:58  <warren> LOL he responded in our github ticket and already fixed now.
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771 2019-08-29T22:43:37  <meshcollider> Well that's very good news :)
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