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   2 2019-09-17T00:12:54  <midnightmagic> sipa: I'm trying to figure out whether we did in fact break 100eH or not, and because everyone else is basically useless I only ever refer to your graphs.
   3 2019-09-17T00:16:49  <midnightmagic> also, like 8 of the bitcoin hashrate graphs in the top google results are broken too to varying degrees, so ..
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   5 2019-09-17T00:20:49  <sipa> midnightmagic: re-ran an update manually
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   7 2019-09-17T00:21:00  <midnightmagic> \o thanks
   8 2019-09-17T00:21:01  <sipa> i don't understand why it's not happening automatically
   9 2019-09-17T00:21:09  <sipa> anyway, 94 EH
  10 2019-09-17T00:22:24  <midnightmagic> sipa: It *appears* as though on your graphs we never bumped above 100eH. But news as of short time ago asserts we did.
  11 2019-09-17T00:22:40  <midnightmagic> sipa: I'm about to go tell all those people they're stupid and point them at your graphs.
  12 2019-09-17T00:23:42  <sipa> the 1-day estimate did go above 100 eH, but it has really high variance
  13 2019-09-17T00:23:49  <midnightmagic> (I understand you're doing averages. I don't think semi-random spikes count.)
  14 2019-09-17T00:24:19  <sipa> they're actually all extrapolations
  15 2019-09-17T00:24:21  <sipa> not averages
  16 2019-09-17T00:25:44  <midnightmagic> Hrmm..
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  18 2019-09-17T00:26:33  <midnightmagic> sipa: How are you doing the extrapolation? Can I see the equations?
  19 2019-09-17T00:26:44  <sipa> midnightmagic: i uh... forgot them
  20 2019-09-17T00:26:52  <midnightmagic> lol
  21 2019-09-17T00:27:35  <midnightmagic> Do you vaguely recall doing averages and then projecting on a line, or are you using a curve or something?
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  23 2019-09-17T00:28:05  <sipa> you measure the average hashrate using an exponentially decaying window
  24 2019-09-17T00:28:35  <sipa> and then measure the average *time* when blocks were mined, using the same exponentially decaying window
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  26 2019-09-17T00:30:04  <midnightmagic> hrmm..
  27 2019-09-17T00:31:25  <sipa> and then some simple formula involving those two gives you the estimated hashrate at the end of the window, assuming an exponential growth before that
  28 2019-09-17T00:31:58  <sipa> the code used on the site does some smoothing over those results and they're very jittery
  29 2019-09-17T00:32:07  <sipa> and it's not particularly easy to read :)
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1045 2019-09-17T04:09:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/796b71363396...92f35acb3ba0
1046 2019-09-17T04:09:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa27ede MarcoFalke: qt: Run "make translate" in ./src
1047 2019-09-17T04:09:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 92f35ac fanquake: Merge #16882: qt: Re-generate translations before 0.19.0
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1052 2019-09-17T04:09:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16882: qt: Re-generate translations before 0.19.0 (master...1909-qtMakeTranslate) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16882
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1057 2019-09-17T04:27:09  <warren> wumpus et al.  One of Transifex's engineers will be attending Thursday's weekly meeting. Please think of questions you may have by late Wednesday.
1058 2019-09-17T04:28:34  <warren> He has a few recommendations for the project to make better use of Transifex
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1072 2019-09-17T05:50:40  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #16892: validation: find witness commitment header using memcmp() instead of byte-by-byte comparison (master...20190917-validation-find_witness_commitment_with_memcmp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16892
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1125 2019-09-17T08:45:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/92f35acb3ba0...f18a9065e911
1126 2019-09-17T08:45:11  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 6aab764 Jon Layton: doc: Fix whitespace errs in .md files, bitcoin.conf, Info.plist.in, and fi...
1127 2019-09-17T08:45:12  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f18a906 fanquake: Merge #16812: doc: Fix whitespace errs in .md files, bitcoin.conf, and Inf...
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1130 2019-09-17T08:45:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #16812: doc: Fix whitespace errs in .md files, bitcoin.conf, and Info.plist.in (master...docs/lint-markdown) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16812
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1132 2019-09-17T08:46:28  <fanquake> I'll never merge a whitespace related PR ever again.
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1140 2019-09-17T09:06:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ch4ot1c opened pull request #16893: doc: Fix datadir path in 0.18.0 release notes (master...doc/release-notes-0.18.0-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16893
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1151 2019-09-17T09:57:30  <wumpus> warren: oh, awesome!
1152 2019-09-17T09:57:55  <wumpus> #proposedtopic making better use of Transifex
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1167 2019-09-17T10:33:11  <Chris_Stewart_5> is there a guide to building statically linked binaries anywhere for mac osx ? Or at least a specific place i should be looking ?
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1170 2019-09-17T10:43:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] Sjors opened pull request #16895: External signer multisig support (master...2019/09/hww-multisig) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16895
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1172 2019-09-17T10:44:12  <provoostenator> ^ WIP but it "works"
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1183 2019-09-17T11:33:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #16892: validation: find witness commitment header using memcmp() instead of byte-by-byte comparison (master...20190917-validation-find_witness_commitment_with_memcmp) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16892
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1186 2019-09-17T11:34:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] renepickhardt opened pull request #16896: replaced hard coded folders with os.path.join & replaced os.path.sep (master...patch-seperator) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16896
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1191 2019-09-17T11:43:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #16893: doc: Fix datadir path in 0.18.0 release notes (master...doc/release-notes-0.18.0-fix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16893
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1216 2019-09-17T13:40:16  <wumpus> fanquake | I'll never merge a whitespace related PR ever again. <- same
1217 2019-09-17T13:42:19  <wumpus> provoostenator: nice!
1218 2019-09-17T13:43:32  <provoostenator> I did it mostly to see if I was missing anything in the single-key setup, but I think that works fine as is.
1219 2019-09-17T13:44:37  <provoostenator> I still haven't read up on miniscript / policy language.  I wonder how that fits into things.
1220 2019-09-17T13:46:11  <provoostenator> sipa: would each hardware wallet provide its own "policy" that when combined results in a multisig (or something equivalent but more efficient)?
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1224 2019-09-17T13:56:31  <instagibbs> it would be helpful for the hww to report what it type of policies it can sign
1225 2019-09-17T13:56:47  <instagibbs> right now that kind of list is assembled by hand
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1227 2019-09-17T13:59:26  <instagibbs> e.g., does the Trezor allow 2of3 or csv and 1of1 type policies to be signed
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1233 2019-09-17T14:07:28  <instagibbs> of just twist people's arms until it'll sign generic scriptcodes like ledger...
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1237 2019-09-17T14:17:36  <provoostenator> So something similar to the getdescriptors call, which currently returns the list of single-signature descriptors it likes (although we hardcoded that in HWI)
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1259 2019-09-17T16:10:53  <sipa> provoostenator: i haven't really thought about hos to assess compatibility of hardware wallets
1260 2019-09-17T16:11:17  <sipa> hopefully if miniscript becomes a bit more common, hw wallets will just support all of it
1261 2019-09-17T16:11:38  <provoostenator> We can manually tell HWI what each hardware wallet is capable of.
1262 2019-09-17T16:12:05  <provoostenator> But to communicate that, maybe we need some sort of wildcard in miniscript / policy language level.
1263 2019-09-17T16:13:46  <sipa> miniscript; not policy
1264 2019-09-17T16:14:02  <sipa> policy is compiled to miniscript, which is a many-to-many relation
1265 2019-09-17T16:14:12  <provoostenator> Plus one flag to indicate that the hardware wallet understands miniscript, which then implies the other wallets in a "multisig" can do whatever they want.
1266 2019-09-17T16:14:20  <sipa> miniscript is just a different way of representing script
1267 2019-09-17T16:14:35  <provoostenator> If one of the wallets doesn't support miniscript, then that constrains the others, depending on the sequence.
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1269 2019-09-17T16:19:03  <provoostenator> The policiy language seems a more useful level of abstraction, e.g. and(pk(hww1_key),pk(hww2_key))
1270 2019-09-17T16:20:00  <provoostenator> Though that compiles to something no current hardware wallet will understand: <key_1> OP_CHECKSIGVERIFY <key_2> OP_CHECKSIG
1271 2019-09-17T16:20:31  <provoostenator> But in miniscript it does make sense: and_v(vc:pk(key_1),c:pk(key_2))
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1273 2019-09-17T16:21:33  <provoostenator> So I guess the hardware wallet itself needs to understand miniscript, whereas the tools we use to setup should understand the policy language?
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1275 2019-09-17T16:22:43  <sipa> only the compiler needs to support the policy language
1276 2019-09-17T16:23:04  <sipa> provoostenator: different compilers can map the same policy to distinct miniscripts
1277 2019-09-17T16:23:15  <sipa> as there are various optional optimization steps involved
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1279 2019-09-17T16:26:07  <provoostenator> So what is a hardware wallet that sees the above miniscript supposed to do? It knows it has key_1, so it infers that it can sign the first part of the AND condition.
1280 2019-09-17T16:26:46  <provoostenator> As for the second part, I guess it's happy as long as the change output has the same policy?
1281 2019-09-17T16:27:09  <sipa> change detection is a hard problem
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1283 2019-09-17T16:27:32  <provoostenator> Indeed, it's pretty poorly supported by hardware wallets at the moment.
1284 2019-09-17T16:27:56  <sipa> and detecting that something is the same policy is not enough; there may be dozens of ways to implement a particular policy in script
1285 2019-09-17T16:28:07  <sipa> using an unusual one may be indiscoverae
1286 2019-09-17T16:28:12  <sipa> *indiscoverable
1287 2019-09-17T16:28:21  <sipa> non-discoverable?
1288 2019-09-17T16:28:25  <sipa> undiscoverable?
1289 2019-09-17T16:28:41  <provoostenator> I think this conservative rule is  fine though: it's OK if the policy for the change address doesn't change and derives from the same set of xpubs.
1290 2019-09-17T16:28:57  <sipa> it should just be the same miniscript
1291 2019-09-17T16:29:06  <sipa> with different pubkeys from the same xpubs
1292 2019-09-17T16:29:09  <provoostenator> * not policy but script
1293 2019-09-17T16:30:13  <provoostenator> Oh and the derivation index should be identical for all signers and not a crazy high value.
1294 2019-09-17T16:30:53  <sipa> in short: same descriptor, different index
1295 2019-09-17T16:31:01  <provoostenator> yes
1296 2019-09-17T16:32:17  <provoostenator> So what is it that each hardware wallet should communicate during the setup? "pk(key_1)"
1297 2019-09-17T16:32:31  <sipa> what is setup?
1298 2019-09-17T16:32:50  <provoostenator> E.g. in the draft PR I made, Bitcoin Core could call HWI on all wallets
1299 2019-09-17T16:33:27  <sipa> nothing except compilers should deal with policies
1300 2019-09-17T16:33:30  <provoostenator> Asking each to return a piece of miniscript, then combine those with AND.
1301 2019-09-17T16:33:57  <sipa> generally it's the user or the software tha5 chooses the desired policy/script
1302 2019-09-17T16:34:05  <sipa> and the HW wallet supports it or not
1303 2019-09-17T16:35:11  <instagibbs> yes I'd expect Core/user to determine what type of policies it supports, then a "whitelist" of hww that support such a configuration
1304 2019-09-17T16:35:30  <sipa> the hardware wallet is a signer device, it supports signing
1305 2019-09-17T16:35:45  <sipa> it's not "exposing" a policy or a script; that's up to its user
1306 2019-09-17T16:35:51  <provoostenator> I'm thinking of two use cases: 1) I have a bunch of hardware wallets, plug them all in at once to setup some multisig
1307 2019-09-17T16:36:07  <sipa> then you should just use multisig
1308 2019-09-17T16:36:12  <provoostenator> 2) I and my "friends" each run Bitcoin Core with one or more wallets and want to setup  a joint thing
1309 2019-09-17T16:36:12  <sipa> no need for miniscript in that case
1310 2019-09-17T16:36:19  <sipa> yes
1311 2019-09-17T16:36:44  <sipa> in which case you'd gather the xpubs, every user constructs a policy they like
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1314 2019-09-17T16:36:51  <sipa> share the policy with others
1315 2019-09-17T16:36:57  <sipa> run the compiler once
1316 2019-09-17T16:37:15  <sipa> everyone can see that the policy of the output matches their part
1317 2019-09-17T16:37:29  <sipa> and then import a descriptor for it in their wallets
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1319 2019-09-17T16:38:52  <sipa> i don't expect stuff like that to be usable or user friendly anytime soon
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1322 2019-09-17T16:52:17  <achow101> Is #16512 RTM?
1323 2019-09-17T16:52:21  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16512 | Shuffle inputs and outputs after joining psbts by achow101 · Pull Request #16512 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1324 2019-09-17T16:57:15  <sipa> rtm?
1325 2019-09-17T16:57:22  <sipa> ah, ready to merge
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1327 2019-09-17T17:02:12  <instagibbs> did that PR read the manual
1328 2019-09-17T17:02:43  <instagibbs> achow101, I don't see any fresh ACKs, I can re-review
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1331 2019-09-17T17:04:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16898: test: Remove connect_nodes_bi (master...1908-testConnectNodes) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16898
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1333 2019-09-17T17:05:29  <instagibbs> achow101, I'd just make some nitty changes since no fresh acks anyways
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1336 2019-09-17T17:12:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jamesob opened pull request #16899: UTXO snapshot creation (dumptxoutset) (master...2019-09-au-dumptxoutset) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16899
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1338 2019-09-17T17:13:24  <achow101> current nits are too nitty for me
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1340 2019-09-17T17:16:53  <cubancorona> AtomicLedger!63
1341 2019-09-17T17:17:09  <cubancorona> lol sorry
1342 2019-09-17T17:18:09  <sipa> hunter2
1343 2019-09-17T17:18:19  <cubancorona> exactly
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1349 2019-09-17T17:38:44  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f18a9065e911...318890b1ee3c
1350 2019-09-17T17:38:45  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa502cb MarcoFalke: test: Bump timeouts in slow running tests
1351 2019-09-17T17:38:45  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 318890b MarcoFalke: Merge #16888: test: Bump timeouts in slow running tests
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1354 2019-09-17T17:39:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16888: test: Bump timeouts in slow running tests (master...1909-testBumpTimeouts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16888
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1359 2019-09-17T17:49:41  <achow101> provoostenator: half of the comments that you made on #16341 are on comments that I can't figure out whree they are, so I'm not going to respond to them unless we can figure out an easier way to make these conversations easier to find and respond to
1360 2019-09-17T17:49:44  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16341 | Introduce ScriptPubKeyMan interface and use it for key and script management (aka wallet boxes) by achow101 · Pull Request #16341 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1368 2019-09-17T18:25:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/318890b1ee3c...99beda47f56a
1369 2019-09-17T18:25:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ae0add8 Gregory Sanders: Add python bech32 impl round-trip test
1370 2019-09-17T18:25:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 99beda4 MarcoFalke: Merge #16864: test: Add python bech32 impl round-trip test
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1373 2019-09-17T18:25:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16864: test: Add python bech32 impl round-trip test (master...bech32_encode_test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16864
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1379 2019-09-17T18:30:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/99beda47f56a...b3067f4338d9
1380 2019-09-17T18:30:04  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8573429 soroosh-sdi: test: add some unit tests for merkle.cpp
1381 2019-09-17T18:30:05  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b3067f4 MarcoFalke: Merge #16865: test: add some unit tests for merkle.cpp
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1384 2019-09-17T18:30:23  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16865: test: add some unit tests for merkle.cpp (master...13-09-19-merkle-unit-tests) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16865
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1397 2019-09-17T18:56:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16900: doc: Fix doxygen comment for SignTransaction in rpc/rawtransaction_util (master...1909-docRpcUtil) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16900
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1399 2019-09-17T18:56:33  <cubancorona> sipa: May I message you privately about a possible vulnerability in the bitcoin light client neutrino?
1400 2019-09-17T18:57:35  <sipa> i'm not the right person to talk to
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1439 2019-09-17T21:19:58  <achow101> any idea why changing mapWallet from std::map to std::unordered_map would cause the qt wallet tests to fail? afaict, we don't rely on the order of txs in mapWallet ever
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1442 2019-09-17T21:26:23  <phantomcircuit> achow101, possibly the tests do
1443 2019-09-17T21:27:31  <achow101> the tests don't access mapwallet directly
1444 2019-09-17T21:28:04  <achow101> and the order would be based on txid, which changes with each run, so depending on that order doesn't make any sense
1445 2019-09-17T21:33:32  <phantomcircuit> achow101, neat, you found a bug then
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1451 2019-09-17T22:06:53  <achow101> ffs the gui relies on the list of txs to be sorted
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1455 2019-09-17T22:19:36  <meshcollider> lol
1456 2019-09-17T22:31:53  <promag> achow101: where?
1457 2019-09-17T22:32:11  <achow101> transactiontablemodel. See cachedWallet
1458 2019-09-17T22:32:26  <achow101> I'm making it not sorted
1459 2019-09-17T22:35:19  <promag> achow101: sort them in WalletImpl::getWalletTxs
1460 2019-09-17T22:36:21  <promag> anyway this might be something worth improving
1461 2019-09-17T22:36:50  <promag> it shouldn't be necessary a copy of the wallet in the model
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1463 2019-09-17T22:37:30  <promag> just those that are displayed
1464 2019-09-17T22:38:24  <achow101> i've added a sort
1465 2019-09-17T22:39:20  <achow101> I put it in TransactionTablePriv::refreshWallet rather than getWalletTxs since that's where the sorting matters. nothing else uses getWalletTxs, and if we add something that does, I would prefer that it not rely on sorting
1466 2019-09-17T22:40:44  <promag> ok
1467 2019-09-17T22:41:01  <promag> why the change to mapWallets btw?
1468 2019-09-17T22:41:22  <promag> performance improvement?
1469 2019-09-17T22:41:28  <achow101> yeah
1470 2019-09-17T22:41:54  <achow101> I made a large wallet for testing my memory reduction stuff, and I decided to take a look at the loading times too
1471 2019-09-17T22:42:03  <achow101> noticed it spent quite a while inserting things into various maps
1472 2019-09-17T22:42:31  <promag> for daemon only then :P because I guess that change only has impact with big wallets, and that new sorting probably makes it worse
1473 2019-09-17T22:42:52  <achow101> right, which is why I was thinking about making it non-sorted
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1489 2019-09-17T23:45:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ch4ot1c opened pull request #16901: test: Add markdownlint rules (master...doc/markdown-linter) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16901
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