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 18 2019-09-24T01:18:32  <dognosewhiskers> Serious problem: https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/23999/blocknotify-walletnotify-but-without-the-console-window <-- This bug reported at least 5.5 years ago (!) has still not been fixed in Bitcoin Core v0.18.1. Verified by me yesterday. It makes it impossible to run Bitcoin Core on Windows for the purpose of accepting and handling Bitcoin payments because the "walletnotify"/"blocknotify" events keep causing that terminal to
 19 2019-09-24T01:18:32  <dognosewhiskers> flash by briefly at irregular intervals, turning the user of the computer insane. So if your goal is to never have Bitcoin go anywhere, well, mission accomplished. And no, I can't run Bitcoin Core with a full blockchain on another machine. I don't even know how I'm gonna be able to keep this *one* copy of the massive blockchain... :/ And yes, I know about pruning, but it has all kinds of caveats and limitations and crap. Plus it has
 20 2019-09-24T01:18:35  <dognosewhiskers> to run on *this* computer because that's where all the other software is.
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 22 2019-09-24T01:20:15  <luke-jr> dognosewhiskers: why are you using Windows?
 23 2019-09-24T01:20:35  <jb55> dognosewhiskers: patches welcome
 24 2019-09-24T01:20:38  <tryphe> dognosewhiskers, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15909
 25 2019-09-24T01:20:51  <tryphe> it only takes like 10 seconds to search for it...
 26 2019-09-24T01:21:08  <luke-jr> it's stalled tho
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 28 2019-09-24T01:24:36  <jb55> looks good imo
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 30 2019-09-24T01:26:06  <dognosewhiskers> luke-jr: I really have to answer that question? "Because of the way the PC historically developed since its inception."
 31 2019-09-24T01:26:20  <dognosewhiskers> jb55: What looks good?
 32 2019-09-24T01:26:37  <dognosewhiskers> jb55: If I were able to fix it, I would send such a patch.
 33 2019-09-24T01:27:47  <luke-jr> dognosewhiskers: nobody working on Bitcoin uses Windows.
 34 2019-09-24T01:27:55  <luke-jr> oh, I guess NicolasDorier does
 35 2019-09-24T01:28:10  <luke-jr> jb55: looks buggy
 36 2019-09-24T01:28:59  <dognosewhiskers> Given that I've tried a million different flavours of Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Haiku, etc. in the last ~20 years, and they have always been completely broken and caused even more problems than the weeks of fighting it takes for a Windows machine to get into a semi-usable state, it's not strange that I "run Windows" now, because there's simply no choice.
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 38 2019-09-24T01:29:15  <dognosewhiskers> luke-jr: Well, maybe they should, if they care at all...
 39 2019-09-24T01:29:53  <tryphe> dognosewhiskers, let me guess, you want to run a payment processor running on top of php and windows?
 40 2019-09-24T01:29:54  <luke-jr> dognosewhiskers: Windows is a dead platform.
 41 2019-09-24T01:30:01  <luke-jr> dognosewhiskers: nobody should use it
 42 2019-09-24T01:30:17  <sipa> please, no OS flamewar here, it is both off topic and irrelevant
 43 2019-09-24T01:30:20  <fanquake> obviously this discussion is off-topic here. Take your windows vs linux discussion elsewhere
 44 2019-09-24T01:30:24  <sipa> dognosewhiskers: you're welcome to file an issue, help test the existing patch, weigh in on the discussion about it, or pay someone to fix it
 45 2019-09-24T01:30:49  <luke-jr> the PR suffices as an existing issue IMO
 46 2019-09-24T01:31:04  <dognosewhiskers> luke-jr: Yeah, the by far most used OS in the world is a dead platform...
 47 2019-09-24T01:31:09  <sipa> but complaining about how important your issue is and acting entitled to a solution os not going to encourage anyone to help
 48 2019-09-24T01:31:36  <sipa> that's the nature of open source software
 49 2019-09-24T01:31:47  <dognosewhiskers> The entire desktop computer feels dead, actually.
 50 2019-09-24T01:31:54  <dognosewhiskers> Which is insanity in itself.
 51 2019-09-24T01:32:06  <luke-jr> dognosewhiskers: move to #bitcoin for that tangent
 52 2019-09-24T01:32:25  <dognosewhiskers> Yeah, you can insult Windows as much as you want and claim these ridiciulous things, but when *I* open my mouth...
 53 2019-09-24T01:32:29  <dognosewhiskers> You want Bitcoin to fail.
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 55 2019-09-24T01:34:05  <sipa> luke-jr: your comments about windows where not helpful in this discussion, i think
 56 2019-09-24T01:34:30  <sipa> i conpletely agree it's a bad idea to run a payment process on windows these days
 57 2019-09-24T01:34:35  <luke-jr> maybe, but if he used Linux, he wouldn't have the problem
 58 2019-09-24T01:34:39  <luke-jr> or even Mac
 59 2019-09-24T01:34:58  <sipa> but it is a platform we support, and as a result things should work
 60 2019-09-24T01:35:36  <luke-jr> it works, even if not as nicely as he wanted
 61 2019-09-24T01:36:10  <luke-jr> Windows has chosen to open a console for his particular use case; we can perhaps workaround it, but blaming us for his OS's behaviour is just.. ugh
 62 2019-09-24T01:36:45  <sipa> he's right to want a solution
 63 2019-09-24T01:36:46  <luke-jr> actually, I wonder if there'd be a console if you specify a non-console app for -*notify
 64 2019-09-24T01:36:52  <sipa> he's not right to blame us
 65 2019-09-24T01:37:03  <luke-jr> if not, maybe a simple dummy wrapper is the answer
 66 2019-09-24T01:37:06  <luke-jr> noconsole.exe or something
 67 2019-09-24T01:37:42  <warren> Several years ago there was a frequent corruption issue on MacOS X. Devs couldn't figure it out for months. I offered a public bounty for information leading to diagnosis and fix of an issue on a platform that I don't use at all. The bug was fixed quickly. I tell this story as an example of an alternative to complaining about the priority of a problem.
 68 2019-09-24T01:39:36  <warren> i'm failing at englishing
 69 2019-09-24T01:39:43  <luke-jr> made sense to me
 70 2019-09-24T01:52:25  <sipa> englishing is hard
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 85 2019-09-24T03:18:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #16949: build: only pass --disable-dependency-tracking to packages that understand it (master...no_disable_dependency_tracking) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16949
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135 2019-09-24T08:37:11  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #16951: doc: add "trusted" string to gettransaction help (master...gettransaction_missing_trusted) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16951
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137 2019-09-24T08:39:09  <wumpus> I think there's even a PR somewhere that resolves the issue, it uses a different way of calling the executable for notification; I remember there were some issues with it though, it's not straightforward to change the pop-up console behavior while retaining the rest of the current behavior
138 2019-09-24T08:40:30  <wumpus> then again, if all it does is help entitled and abrasive people like them, I'm somehow even less motivated to look at it now *shrug*
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179 2019-09-24T09:11:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/3ce829888861...c838f2707ab7
180 2019-09-24T09:11:28  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master faa079d MarcoFalke: travis: Disable feature_block in tsan run
181 2019-09-24T09:11:29  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c838f27 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16941: travis: Disable feature_block in tsan run due to OOM
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184 2019-09-24T09:11:53  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16941: travis: Disable feature_block in tsan run due to OOM (master...1909-travisTsanOOM) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16941
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188 2019-09-24T09:19:38  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli opened pull request #16952: make sure to update the UI when deleting a transaction (master...2019/09/fix_zap_ui) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16952
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194 2019-09-24T10:16:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #16951: doc: add "trusted" string to gettransaction help (master...gettransaction_missing_trusted) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16951
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213 2019-09-24T12:04:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] darosior closed pull request #15909: Use 'ShellExecute' instead of 'wsystem' in 'runCommand' for Windows. (master...windows_blocknotify_blink) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15909
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220 2019-09-24T13:08:22  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fjahr opened pull request #16953: doc: Improve test READMEs (master...debugreadme) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16953
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236 2019-09-24T14:48:00  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] icota opened pull request #16955: gui: only call getOrCreateWallet if wallet interface pointer not null (master...qt-loadwallet-crash) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16955
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248 2019-09-24T15:20:28  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16956: validation: Make GetWitnessCommitmentIndex public (master...1909-valGetWitnessCommitmentIndexPublic) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16956
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255 2019-09-24T15:33:37  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c838f2707ab7...36604b4ef568
256 2019-09-24T15:33:38  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c15ac2c Jon Layton: doc: Move doxygen intro to file for USE_MDFILE_AS_MANPAGE
257 2019-09-24T15:33:39  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master dbdc758 Jon Layton: doc: Improve doxygen readme navigation section
258 2019-09-24T15:33:39  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 36604b4 MarcoFalke: Merge #16912: doc: Remove Doxygen intro from src/bitcoind.cpp
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261 2019-09-24T15:33:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16912: doc: Remove Doxygen intro from src/bitcoind.cpp (master...doc/doxygen-intro) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16912
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281 2019-09-24T17:01:51  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: do you intend to update the PPA with 0.18.1?
282 2019-09-24T17:02:30  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: likely not? people *should* be using the snap
283 2019-09-24T17:02:34  <BlueMatt> but I can if there's need
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285 2019-09-24T17:03:22  <luke-jr> snap isn't comparable
286 2019-09-24T17:04:46  <BlueMatt> oh?
287 2019-09-24T17:06:03  <luke-jr> PPAs are native builds, snaps are gitian "portable" static binaries
288 2019-09-24T17:09:48  <BlueMatt> right, implying the snaps are gonna actually work, whereas the ppa breaks all the time
289 2019-09-24T17:13:00  <BlueMatt> hmm, I guess I should update it given people still use it, but only for xenial/bionic
290 2019-09-24T17:14:18  <BlueMatt> I'll do that.....sometime
291 2019-09-24T17:14:27  <BlueMatt> when I'm back in ny, I guess, which is, like, a month from now
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323 2019-09-24T18:38:54  <luke-jr> gitian builders please: * [new tag]               v0.18.1.knots20190920 -> v0.18.1.knots20190920
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339 2019-09-24T19:05:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] martinus opened pull request #16957: 9% less memory: make SaltedOutpointHasher noexcept (master...2019-09-SaltedOutpointHasher-noexcept) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16957
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384 2019-09-24T20:45:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #16959: ci: Set $HOST before setting fallback values (master...1909-ciSetHost) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16959
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400 2019-09-24T21:43:51  <achow101> what are the current PRs for a writable bitcoin.conf for things like that?
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