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 13 2019-10-07T01:19:55  <BlueMatt> meeting topic (and review request, how does one summon the moneyball again?): #16834
 14 2019-10-07T01:19:56  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16834 | Fetch Headers over DNS by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #16834 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 15 2019-10-07T01:20:09  <BlueMatt> I think its reasonable to move forward with the rustening for 0.20...
 16 2019-10-07T01:20:54  <BlueMatt> interested parties likely include fanquake elichai2 cfields and others
 17 2019-10-07T01:25:05  <elichai2> BlueMatt: what's up with #16762?
 18 2019-10-07T01:25:07  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16762 | Rust-based Backup over-REST block downloader by TheBlueMatt · Pull Request #16762 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
 19 2019-10-07T01:25:30  <elichai2> I'll review 16834 in the next few days(flying 10 hours now :/)
 20 2019-10-07T01:26:59  <BlueMatt> I rebased 16762 on top of 16834 cause 16834 is a good chunk simpler and is an easier first-rust
 21 2019-10-07T01:27:13  <BlueMatt> ooo, 10 hours of flying sounds like great code review time! :p
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 38 2019-10-07T03:40:02  <kallewoof> BlueMatt: You don't fly economy, I suspect :P
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 49 2019-10-07T04:39:18  <BlueMatt> kallewoof: no, I do, I just also happen to be economy in size :p
 50 2019-10-07T04:39:50  <kallewoof> BlueMatt: That's all good until the guy in front of you 90-degree drops his seat
 51 2019-10-07T04:40:29  <BlueMatt> ehh, my experience tends to be more along the "why do these seats only go back like 5 degrees" line
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 53 2019-10-07T04:41:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] D4nte opened pull request #17068: Always generate `bitcoinstrings.cpp` on `make translate` (master...16891-gettext-mac) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17068
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174 2019-10-07T13:57:40  <harding> Would also block me.
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188 2019-10-07T14:20:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #17070: wallet: Avoid showing GUI popups on RPC errors (master...1909-walletGuiPopupRpc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17070
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193 2019-10-07T14:26:40  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ffa2221 practicalswift: tests: Pass fuzzing inputs as constant references
194 2019-10-07T14:26:40  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master febc31c MarcoFalke: Merge #17069: tests: Pass fuzzing inputs as constant references
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197 2019-10-07T14:27:04  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17069: tests: Pass fuzzing inputs as constant references (master...readonly-fuzzer-inputs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17069
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204 2019-10-07T14:43:19  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #17071: tests: Add fuzzing harness for CheckBlock(...) and other CBlock related functions (master...fuzzers-block) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17071
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287 2019-10-07T18:29:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #17073: move-only: PASTE macros to util/macros.h (master...1909-jamesPastemoveonly) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17073
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308 2019-10-07T19:51:20  <emilengler> Where is the version deifned?
309 2019-10-07T19:51:39  <emilengler> src/config is a gitignored file so it cannot be there
310 2019-10-07T19:51:44  <emilengler> folder*
311 2019-10-07T19:52:14  <sipa> src/version.h
312 2019-10-07T19:52:35  <sipa> and src/clientversion.h
313 2019-10-07T19:53:20  <sipa> the actual numbers come from the configuration
314 2019-10-07T19:53:43  <emilengler> Ok, thats what I meant
315 2019-10-07T19:53:57  <sipa> see configure.ac
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335 2019-10-07T21:04:10  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] mztriz opened pull request #17074: Added double quotes (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17074
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364 2019-10-07T23:06:23  <sipa> achow101: regarding sortedmulti... the only thing i'm not sure about is whether we shouldn't make the syntax more generic, as it may be useful in miniscript as well
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366 2019-10-07T23:06:48  <sipa> e.g. multi(2,sort(key1,key2,key3)) or so
367 2019-10-07T23:06:50  <achow101> like just make some sort of "sort()"
368 2019-10-07T23:07:16  <sipa> or as a modifier on the function
369 2019-10-07T23:07:24  <sipa> multi.sorted(2,key1,key2,key3)
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371 2019-10-07T23:09:35  <achow101> well multi.sorted would basically be the same thing as the sortedmulti, I don't think the implementation would change much or let it be more generic
372 2019-10-07T23:09:50  <achow101> I think it would actually be better to have sort(...)
373 2019-10-07T23:10:27  <achow101> in miniscript, the only places where multiple keys would be handled like that is with thresh(), right?
374 2019-10-07T23:10:36  <sipa> thresh_m, specifically
375 2019-10-07T23:11:05  <achow101> is that the same thing as multi()?
376 2019-10-07T23:11:21  <sipa> it's CHECKMULTISIG or CHECKMULTISIGVERIFY, based on context
377 2019-10-07T23:11:57  <sipa> though i'm skeptical about the concept of sorting keys in general, and it doesn't really generalize well to miniscript in any case
378 2019-10-07T23:12:14  <sipa> as it's indeed limited to CMS based things anyway, and not anything more generic
379 2019-10-07T23:12:50  <achow101> well what about a big multisig of just keys?
380 2019-10-07T23:12:56  <achow101> more than what CMS can do
381 2019-10-07T23:13:13  <sipa> sure
382 2019-10-07T23:13:43  <sipa> i'm not saying sorting makes no sense in miniscript; but even there it is restricted to CMS-based things
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384 2019-10-07T23:14:08  <sipa> for example you can't "sort" keys in a or(key1,and(key2,time)) policy
385 2019-10-07T23:14:35  <sipa> as it will be obvious at spending time anyway which of the branches was used
386 2019-10-07T23:14:57  <achow101> couldn't you sort by the serialization of each policy?
387 2019-10-07T23:15:14  <achow101> or does that change depending on the order
388 2019-10-07T23:15:28  <sipa> well you can change the sorting order of the argument in the or
389 2019-10-07T23:15:35  <sipa> and inside the and
390 2019-10-07T23:16:05  <sipa> but that doesn't accomplish what bip67 tries to do anyway; it's obvious at spending time which way of satisfying was used
391 2019-10-07T23:16:46  <achow101> tbh, sorting doesn't make sense in descriptor land. AFAICT, the whole sorting thing is introduced because people wanted to just share pubkeys and arrive at the same redeemScript. Sharing descriptors achieves the same thing, albeit with a bit more data
392 2019-10-07T23:17:05  <sipa> ah, i thought it was for privacy
393 2019-10-07T23:17:27  <sipa> so you can't tell from the onchain data which participants signed based on the position of the keys
394 2019-10-07T23:18:01  <achow101> well the stated motivation is for deterministic multisig addresses
395 2019-10-07T23:18:02  <sipa> (which seems kinda pointless to me anyway; you already need a lot of information about the policy involved)
396 2019-10-07T23:18:12  <achow101> "Title: Deterministic Pay-to-script-hash multi-signature addresses through public key sorting"
397 2019-10-07T23:18:13  <sipa> ok
398 2019-10-07T23:18:21  <achow101> You're thinking of bip69 which sorts outputs
399 2019-10-07T23:18:29  <sipa> hmm, no
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401 2019-10-07T23:21:18  <achow101> anyways, bip67 is supposed to aid with multisig setup as users can just enter a threshold and then xpubs, and all get the same set of addresses. if instead a descriptor were given to enter, the same problem is solved
402 2019-10-07T23:21:33  <sipa> agreed
403 2019-10-07T23:22:00  <achow101> so I don't think that miniscript should need to care about general sorting since that kind of UX issue won't be a problem, the miniscript itself results in the same script always
404 2019-10-07T23:23:16  <sipa> that seems reasonable
405 2019-10-07T23:23:29  <sipa> that means we can restrict the sorted stuff to just multi() outside of descriptors
406 2019-10-07T23:23:37  <sipa> and i don't care very much about the syntax :)
407 2019-10-07T23:24:02  <achow101> ok. so I'll just leave it as sortedmulti(..)
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414 2019-10-07T23:50:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider closed pull request #17028: [rpc] Include immature coinbase in listunspent (master...listunspent-immature) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17028
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