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242019-10-11T01:34:46 <Bullit> ZW4-RUO-202-9ZV-N1X-5OA-B1B-JE8-31L-NJ8-2Y6-W3O-WS7
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482019-10-11T03:43:51 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jtimon opened pull request #17106: Chainparams: Decouple AllowSetMockTime from MineBlocksOnDemand (master...b20-chainparams-mocktime) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17106
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1592019-10-11T13:00:03 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/08ed87e8875d...826158761098
1602019-10-11T13:00:04 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa191c0 MarcoFalke: doc: Add missing indexes/blockfilter/basic/ to doc/files.md
1612019-10-11T13:00:04 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8261587 fanquake: Merge #17102: doc: Add missing indexes/blockfilter/basic to doc/files.md
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1642019-10-11T13:00:24 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #17102: doc: Add missing indexes/blockfilter/basic to doc/files.md (master...1909-docFilesBlockFilterIndex) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17102
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1692019-10-11T13:09:58 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #17108: test: fix "tx-size-small" errors after default address change (master...20191011-test-fix_tx-size-small_errors_after_default_address_change) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17108
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1762019-10-11T13:35:17 <promag> MarcoFalke_: is #17107 sporadic?
1772019-10-11T13:35:18 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17107 | qa: rpc_net.py failed · Issue #17107 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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1832019-10-11T13:58:53 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #17109: tests: Add fuzzing harness for various functions consuming only integrals (master...fuzzers-integrals) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17109
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1852019-10-11T13:59:20 <instagibbs> MarcoFalke_, I'm very proud I did the serialization math on paper and was right!
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2012019-10-11T14:58:14 <kanzure> what? "The getaccountaddress method has not been replaced in bitcoincore, so there is a new parameter of otsd to set a static address for donation."
2022019-10-11T14:58:23 <kanzure> from https://github.com/opentimestamps/opentimestamps-server/pull/59
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2072019-10-11T15:02:54 <instagibbs> there's no "getlabeladdress" type functionality that is true
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2132019-10-11T15:21:59 <ryanofsky> you can still call getnewaddress with a label. but getaccountaddress would return a stable receive address for the account, which is not a thing labels track anymore
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2152019-10-11T15:22:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery closed pull request #15810: [WIP] mempool: Remove nAbsurdFee fee from AcceptToMemoryPool (master...2019-04-remove-absurd-fee) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/15810
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2642019-10-11T17:21:16 <ryanofsky> can a maintainer add https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/14053 to "chasing concept ack" column https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8
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2732019-10-11T17:29:19 <fanquake> ryanofsky done
2742019-10-11T17:29:36 <ryanofsky> thanks!
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3052019-10-11T18:26:34 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/826158761098...f4d93078dde5
3062019-10-11T18:26:35 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fa91590 MarcoFalke: build: Add README.md to DIST target
3072019-10-11T18:26:35 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f4d9307 MarcoFalke: Merge #17097: build: Add README.md to DIST target
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3102019-10-11T18:26:54 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17097: build: Add README.md to DIST target (master...1909-buildDocDist) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17097
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3252019-10-11T18:53:09 <meshcollider> Reminder wallet meeting is on today :)
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3292019-10-11T19:00:08 <achow101> wallet meeting?
3302019-10-11T19:00:10 <meshcollider> #startmeeting
3312019-10-11T19:00:10 <lightningbot> Meeting started Fri Oct 11 19:00:10 2019 UTC. The chair is meshcollider. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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3332019-10-11T19:00:16 <meshcollider> #bitcoin-core-dev Wallet Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball
3342019-10-11T19:00:18 <provoostenator> hi
3352019-10-11T19:00:21 <achow101> hi
3362019-10-11T19:01:04 <achow101> it looks like #16341 is getting close, 2 acks now
3372019-10-11T19:01:07 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16341 | Introduce ScriptPubKeyMan interface and use it for key and script management (aka wallet boxes) by achow101 · Pull Request #16341 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3382019-10-11T19:01:14 <kanzure> hi
3392019-10-11T19:01:41 <provoostenator> I think it needs another pair of wallet expert eyes though.
3402019-10-11T19:01:46 <meshcollider> I've been slowly getting through review of it too
3412019-10-11T19:02:00 <meshcollider> It looks very good though
3422019-10-11T19:02:14 <meshcollider> achow101: what do you think of russ' branch
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3442019-10-11T19:02:29 <sipa> hi
3452019-10-11T19:02:55 <achow101> it did the thing I wanted to avoid which were the 2 ginormous commits at the beginning
3462019-10-11T19:02:56 <provoostenator> As I commented, I found it helpful for comparison-review, but -0 on replacing it, because it's not very granular.
3472019-10-11T19:03:20 <meshcollider> Yep sweet as :)
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3492019-10-11T19:03:48 <meshcollider> Ok so with 0.19 branched now, what are the wallet priorities for the next few months
3502019-10-11T19:04:01 <provoostenator> Descriptor wallets would be awesome
3512019-10-11T19:04:13 <achow101> if 16341 gets merged soon, descriptor wallets i guess?
3522019-10-11T19:04:37 <achow101> I rebased the descriptor wallets pr a few days ago and i'll make it not WIP once 16341 is merged
3532019-10-11T19:04:41 <meshcollider> Yes
3542019-10-11T19:04:43 <meshcollider> Ok
3552019-10-11T19:05:06 <meshcollider> Other than that though is anyone else working on anything orthogonal
3562019-10-11T19:05:31 <meshcollider> How is the hardware wallet stuff looking for near term provoo
3572019-10-11T19:05:36 <meshcollider> provoostenator *
3582019-10-11T19:05:45 <provoostenator> I'm working on adding hardware wallet support to the GUI, in various orthogonal ways. #16966 is probably a good starting point.
3592019-10-11T19:05:47 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16966 | ui: make send a wizard by Sjors · Pull Request #16966 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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3612019-10-11T19:06:28 <meshcollider> Why is it a draft?
3622019-10-11T19:06:37 <achow101> there's a plan to make a gui for HWI to complement #16944
3632019-10-11T19:06:39 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16944 | gui: create PSBT with watch-only wallet by Sjors · Pull Request #16944 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3642019-10-11T19:07:00 <provoostenator> meshcollider: because there's a few ugly things in it and a memoery leak :-) But will be undraft soon.
3652019-10-11T19:07:56 <provoostenator> As for RPC hardware wallet support, I'll get that in review-worthy shape once descriptor wallets are merged. I do keep it rebased in the mean time: #16895
3662019-10-11T19:07:58 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16895 | External signer multisig support by Sjors · Pull Request #16895 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3672019-10-11T19:08:12 <instagibbs> oh hi
3682019-10-11T19:08:23 <provoostenator> ^ although that got "needs rebase" almost immedidatley after I last rebased it yesterday.
3692019-10-11T19:08:28 <meshcollider> Very nice, sounds good
3702019-10-11T19:08:32 <meshcollider> haha
3712019-10-11T19:08:36 <achow101> I also have some transaction and key handling optimizations-ish that i'm holding off for after wallet boxes since they conflict
3722019-10-11T19:08:51 <provoostenator> Maybe we can expand the descriptor wallet project to include hardware wallets?
3732019-10-11T19:09:23 <instagibbs> seems like its own project tbh, may have a number of steps
3742019-10-11T19:09:29 <achow101> imo there should be a hardware wallet project that includes the descriptor wallet project
3752019-10-11T19:09:53 <meshcollider> The descriptor wallet project can be superceded once the two main PRs go in
3762019-10-11T19:10:00 <achow101> yeah
3772019-10-11T19:10:34 <meshcollider> I guess there's also some GUI wallet stuff like #15204 that has been waiting a while
3782019-10-11T19:10:37 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15204 | gui: Add Open External Wallet action by promag · Pull Request #15204 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3792019-10-11T19:10:56 <meshcollider> Ok so any topics people want to discuss today?
3802019-10-11T19:12:43 <instagibbs> miniscript for signing post-descriptor wallet?
3812019-10-11T19:12:50 <instagibbs> how much work is that sipa :P
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3832019-10-11T19:13:01 <achow101> requires all of miniscript?
3842019-10-11T19:13:01 <sipa> did someone say miniscript?
3852019-10-11T19:13:26 <sipa> well we have one unsolved problem still, which is accurate witness size estimation for generic miniscript
3862019-10-11T19:13:35 <instagibbs> Oh! ok
3872019-10-11T19:13:45 <sipa> but signing is a solved problem
3882019-10-11T19:13:48 <sipa> i have code :)
3892019-10-11T19:13:57 <sipa> tested against consensus/standardness
3902019-10-11T19:14:07 <achow101> when pr
3912019-10-11T19:14:23 <instagibbs> very nice. I am dreaming of telescoping multisig policies and other nonsense for personal use ;P
3922019-10-11T19:14:25 <sipa> #16800
3932019-10-11T19:14:26 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16800 | Basic Miniscript support in output descriptors by sipa · Pull Request #16800 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
3942019-10-11T19:14:41 <sipa> that's the first step :)
3952019-10-11T19:15:24 <instagibbs> ah yes 2000 loc
3962019-10-11T19:15:35 <sipa> a lot is tests :p
3972019-10-11T19:15:48 <instagibbs> ok I guess that's on my review pile, alongside 16341
3982019-10-11T19:15:52 <instagibbs> could you rebase
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4002019-10-11T19:16:17 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] ernestognw opened pull request #17110: fix(appveyor): Add -l test_suite to .appveyor.yaml. (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17110
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4032019-10-11T19:16:28 <achow101> just a thought, if descriptor wallets is released before miniscript descriptors, we will need to have a wallet flag or something to avoid people making wallets with miniscript descriptors that aren't backwards compatible
4042019-10-11T19:17:10 <meshcollider> sipa are you waiting for #16889 before rebasinf
4052019-10-11T19:17:12 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16889 | Add some general std::vector utility functions by sipa · Pull Request #16889 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
4062019-10-11T19:17:17 <instagibbs> throw Solver at things you're importing that involve privkeys, or something
4072019-10-11T19:17:18 <instagibbs> yeah
4082019-10-11T19:19:24 <sipa> meshcollider: i'm sure 16889 will be merged long before miniscript is actually merge-ready
4092019-10-11T19:20:06 <sipa> i can rebase; there are a bunch of improvements in the miniscript repo (https://github.com/sipa/miniscript) that i need to include in the PR as well
4102019-10-11T19:20:29 <sipa> preventing stack overflow when parsing among them, which is kind of a deal breaker...
4112019-10-11T19:20:37 <achow101> is there going to be a bip for miniscript and descriptors?
4122019-10-11T19:20:43 <sipa> imho, no
4132019-10-11T19:21:16 <sipa> i think we should aim to make sure that wherever two pieces of software accept the same descriptor, it refers to the same script in both
4142019-10-11T19:21:30 <sipa> but there isn't much of a requirement that everyone supports the exact same set of features
4152019-10-11T19:22:14 <sipa> i think we could have a bip at some point that simply defines the miniscript-compatible subset of script
4162019-10-11T19:22:18 <sipa> but maybe not now
4172019-10-11T19:22:31 <achow101> ok
4182019-10-11T19:22:56 <sipa> because say a hardware signing device that supports miniscript doesn't actually need to support its textual notation
4192019-10-11T19:23:07 <achow101> i've heard that some other wallet devs are intereseted in using miniscript and descriptors so it would be nice to have some "official" docs
4202019-10-11T19:23:22 <sipa> http://bitcoin.sipa.be/miniscript/ :)
4212019-10-11T19:24:10 <achow101> sure, but bips are cooler :)
4222019-10-11T19:24:22 <instagibbs> libraries even cooler
4232019-10-11T19:24:22 <sipa> yeah, maybe at some point
4242019-10-11T19:24:26 <sipa> ^
4252019-10-11T19:25:35 <sipa> https://github.com/sipa/miniscript/issues/26
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4272019-10-11T19:29:33 <instagibbs> sipa, if you can't estimate witness size in closed form or whatever you call it, why can't it just sign(hallucinate using other privkeys if it doesn't have them) and just see the end witness size?
4282019-10-11T19:29:48 <sipa> instagibbs: that may be intractable
4292019-10-11T19:30:00 <sipa> if there are 100 keys involved, you have 2^100 combinations to try
4302019-10-11T19:30:49 <instagibbs> not quite getting it, if you are told you know specific keys, why is it slower than actually signing, or is this begging the question
4312019-10-11T19:31:11 <sipa> instagibbs: oh by witness size estimation i mean before you know which keys are going to be involved in signing
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4332019-10-11T19:32:14 <sipa> it's trivial to do if you do know this
4342019-10-11T19:32:20 <instagibbs> ok
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4372019-10-11T19:33:11 <achow101> why do you need to know the witness size before knowing who is going to sign?
4382019-10-11T19:33:36 <sipa> because you're going to construct a PSBT that takes this into account for its
4392019-10-11T19:33:39 <sipa> fee
4402019-10-11T19:33:45 <sipa> and then pass it around by everyone, and see what comes out
4412019-10-11T19:34:06 <sipa> if you know exactly ahead of time which participants will be online, that's easy
4422019-10-11T19:34:35 <sipa> another side of it is that the signers may want to know that what they're signing will eventually have an acceptable feerate
4432019-10-11T19:34:57 <sipa> but they may not know which other signers will eventually contribute
4442019-10-11T19:35:19 <meshcollider> But the size varies right? There is no "size" before you know
4452019-10-11T19:35:28 <sipa> there is an upper bound
4462019-10-11T19:35:51 <achow101> is it just too expensive to compute the size for all possible valid signer combinations and just choose the largest?
4472019-10-11T19:36:21 <sipa> if there are more than a dozen keys involves that may become quickly become intractable
4482019-10-11T19:37:00 <meshcollider> E.g. like a segment tree
4492019-10-11T19:37:02 <sipa> and we used to think we had an efficient algorithm for this, but turns out it actually doesn't work :p
4502019-10-11T19:38:07 <instagibbs> miniscript friendship over
4512019-10-11T19:38:22 <meshcollider> lol
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4532019-10-11T19:38:39 <sipa> haha
4542019-10-11T19:39:11 <sipa> with a less tight conservative estimate it's easy still... but it may overshoot by a lot in some cases
4552019-10-11T19:40:09 <meshcollider> is the original algorithm + it's issue documented somewhere
4562019-10-11T19:40:30 <instagibbs> well, good to know, for now for descriptor wallet purposes we just assume we will pick keys then estimate
4572019-10-11T19:41:36 <meshcollider> Anything else to talk about today?
4582019-10-11T19:42:41 <meshcollider> #endmeeting
4592019-10-11T19:42:41 <lightningbot> Meeting ended Fri Oct 11 19:42:41 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
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4642019-10-11T19:42:56 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #17111: doc: update bips.md with buried BIP9 deployments (master...1910-docBip9Buried) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17111
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4752019-10-11T20:30:09 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f4d93078dde5...561a7d30478b
4762019-10-11T20:30:10 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 15ac916 Jon Layton: doc: Doxygen-friendly descriptor.h comments
4772019-10-11T20:30:10 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 561a7d3 MarcoFalke: Merge #16947: doc: Doxygen-friendly script/descriptor.h comments
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4802019-10-11T20:30:29 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #16947: doc: Doxygen-friendly script/descriptor.h comments (master...doc/descriptor-docs) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16947
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4982019-10-11T21:06:38 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #16564: test: Always define the raii_event_tests test suite (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16564
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5012019-10-11T21:07:08 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke reopened pull request #16564: test: Always define the raii_event_tests test suite (master...patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16564
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5292019-10-11T22:59:05 <luke-jr> MarcoFalke_: what's with the nonsensical travis?
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5322019-10-11T23:22:46 <captjakk> is pruning random? or is it always the most recent set of data that is kept?
5332019-10-11T23:24:00 <luke-jr> there is a random factor, but only the most recent set is considered kept
5342019-10-11T23:24:18 <luke-jr> (blocks are downloaded out of order, and block files are only pruned when they have nothing remaining of interest)
5352019-10-11T23:24:38 <captjakk> so in order to sync from genesis you have to connect to a full archive node
5362019-10-11T23:25:09 <captjakk> pruning nodes will never have block height 1 for instance
5372019-10-11T23:25:11 <captjakk> ?
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