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 66 2019-10-23T03:36:38  <jeremyrubin> harding: sdaftuar: if you were going to use sequences, you could also more simply just use a linked-list style tree which puts out b outputs per layer.
 67 2019-10-23T03:37:02  <jeremyrubin> Which would enforce some sequencing
 68 2019-10-23T03:37:13  <jeremyrubin> but it would be less fun to be at the end of such a tree
 69 2019-10-23T03:38:32  <jeremyrubin> > [07:25] <sdaftuar> jeremyrubin: one practical thought to the issue you're seeing with a payment to 1000 outputs using a radix of 4: couldn't the sender just put a likely-to-be-confirmed-soon fee on the first five transactions (top 2 levels of the tree)? seems like that's a really small number of bytes, and once those are confirmed the situation gets much better
 70 2019-10-23T03:39:07  <jeremyrubin> Yes this is possible, but can still get locked out if someone publishes one branch and then pays a higher fee on their descendant then saturates the descendant limit
 71 2019-10-23T03:39:30  <jeremyrubin> Which would then lock up the higher ones
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127 2019-10-23T08:03:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] nekosei opened pull request #17223: Skip verification (master...add_log) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17223
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130 2019-10-23T08:04:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] nekosei closed pull request #17223: Skip verification (master...add_log) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17223
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146 2019-10-23T09:22:30  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9dd6bbba613d...4258fd73778c
147 2019-10-23T09:22:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 89339d1 Fabian Jahr: tests: Add test for loadblock option
148 2019-10-23T09:22:31  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4258fd7 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #17091: tests: Add test for loadblock option and linearize scripts
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151 2019-10-23T09:22:50  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #17091: tests: Add test for loadblock option and linearize scripts (master...loadblock_test) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17091
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156 2019-10-23T10:01:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4258fd73778c...ceda6e8b7471
157 2019-10-23T10:01:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 088a730 JeremyCrookshank: static tooltip
158 2019-10-23T10:01:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master ceda6e8 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #17180: gui: Improved tooltip for send amount field
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161 2019-10-23T10:01:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #17180: gui: Improved tooltip for send amount field (master...sendamounttooltip) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17180
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164 2019-10-23T10:06:03  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ceda6e8b7471...a884b3285496
165 2019-10-23T10:06:03  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cd68594 Andrew Chow: Only check the hash of transactions loaded from disk
166 2019-10-23T10:06:04  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a884b32 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #16911: wallet: Only check the hash of transactions loaded from disk...
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170 2019-10-23T10:06:18  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #16911: wallet: Only check the hash of transactions loaded from disk (master...wallet-skip-checktx) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/16911
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176 2019-10-23T10:17:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #17225: tests: Test serialisation as part of deserialisation fuzzing. Test round-trip equality where possible. (master...fuzzers-deserialize-with-roundtrip) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17225
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180 2019-10-23T10:40:39  <wumpus> (harmless) new clang warning: bitcoin/src/qt/guiutil.cpp:855:26: warning: implicit conversion from 'long' to 'double' changes value from 9223372036854775807 to 9223372036854775808 [-Wimplicit-int-float-conversion]
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182 2019-10-23T10:41:56  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag opened pull request #17226: gui: Fix payAmount tooltip in SendCoinsEntry (master...2019-10-payamount-tooltip) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17226
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184 2019-10-23T10:42:17  <promag> wumpus: sorry, had to push this x)
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188 2019-10-23T11:09:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag closed pull request #17182: 0.19: Revert 14193 to fix 17112 (0.19...2019-10-revert-14193-fix-17112) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17182
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191 2019-10-23T11:29:48  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] GChuf closed pull request #17048: gui: add shortcuts for Options and Command-line options (master...shortcuts) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17048
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208 2019-10-23T12:56:09  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake closed pull request #17210: qt: Make bech32 opt out (master...2019-10-bech32-opt-out) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17210
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217 2019-10-23T13:26:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/a884b3285496...8f14d2002b11
218 2019-10-23T13:26:54  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a0fc076 Sebastian Falbesoner: refactor: test/bench: dedup Build{Crediting,Spending}Transaction()
219 2019-10-23T13:26:55  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8f14d20 MarcoFalke: Merge #17183: refactor: test/bench: dedup Build{Crediting,Spending}Transac...
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222 2019-10-23T13:27:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17183: refactor: test/bench: dedup Build{Crediting,Spending}Transaction() (master...20191018-refactor-deduplicate_build_transaction_functions) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17183
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227 2019-10-23T13:42:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] icota opened pull request #17227: Qt: Add Android packaging support (master...qt-android-package) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17227
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230 2019-10-23T13:44:29  <fanquake> .xml and .java 👀
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247 2019-10-23T15:00:06  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #17228: test: Add RegTestingSetup to setup_common (master...1910-RegTestingSetup) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17228
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251 2019-10-23T15:05:46  <jnewbery> MarcoFalke wumpus: I think #17004 is ready for merge
252 2019-10-23T15:05:52  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17004 | validation: Remove REJECT code from CValidationState by jnewbery · Pull Request #17004 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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260 2019-10-23T15:28:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #17229: tests: Add fuzzing harnesses for various Base{32,58,64} and hex related functions (master...fuzzers-base_encode_decode) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17229
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264 2019-10-23T15:49:17  <MarcoFalke> Is anyone able to rerun the failed travis build here: https://travis-ci.org/bitcoin/bitcoin/builds/601833792?utm_source=github_status&utm_medium=notification
265 2019-10-23T15:49:38  <MarcoFalke> I can't seem to find the button anymore
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268 2019-10-23T15:54:45  <sdaftuar> MarcoFalke: done
269 2019-10-23T15:55:04  <MarcoFalke> thx
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292 2019-10-23T16:45:29  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/8f14d2002b11...deb2327b4359
293 2019-10-23T16:45:29  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master fdef8bb practicalswift: tests: Allow for using non-default fuzzing initialization
294 2019-10-23T16:45:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master b5ffa9f practicalswift: tests: Add Parse(...) (descriptor) fuzzing harness
295 2019-10-23T16:45:30  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master deb2327 MarcoFalke: Merge #17018: tests: Add descriptor Parse(...) fuzzing harness
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298 2019-10-23T16:45:48  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17018: tests: Add descriptor Parse(...) fuzzing harness (master...descriptor_parse) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17018
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310 2019-10-23T17:06:32  <sdaftuar> sipa: i saw there is some discussion (now partially deleted) on aj's PR relating to mapRelay and its future
311 2019-10-23T17:07:23  <sdaftuar> i want to make sure i understand your concern. my idea for mapRelay is to nuke it but continue to achieve its goal of not leaking information about transactions until we intend to
312 2019-10-23T17:08:11  <sdaftuar> (in fact, it falls short in its privacy goal right now due to a bug, which i would like us to improve)
313 2019-10-23T17:08:22  <sipa> that sounds good
314 2019-10-23T17:09:29  <sdaftuar> i don't believe anyone to my knowledge is proposing that we get rid of mapRelay and allow indiscriminate probing of our mempool contents -- i assume that is what you were objecting to?
315 2019-10-23T17:10:45  <sipa> i was just confused by the "it's not a privacy leak to change this, because there is already another leak" comment, without looking at the code
316 2019-10-23T17:10:54  <sipa> because that sounded like a terrible justification
317 2019-10-23T17:12:11  <aj> sipa: it makes it easier to see old tx's still in your mempool, and to obtain a copy of them. doesn't affect brand new tx's
318 2019-10-23T17:12:23  <sdaftuar> i'm not sure what marco means there. your earlier comment about testing the comments of our mempool is a subtle question, i think - the answer to that depends on the context?
319 2019-10-23T17:13:14  <sdaftuar> ie i think we should try to hide recently relayed transactions, but there's probably no transaction-relay-related privacy benefit to not serving things in our mempool that are old
320 2019-10-23T17:13:46  <sipa> well i was under the mistaken impression that this PR was giving up on mempool-presence testing, because of the "this is not leaking anything because things can be tested otherwise"
321 2019-10-23T17:14:00  <sipa> sorry, i shouls not have commented before looking at the PR
322 2019-10-23T17:15:03  <sdaftuar> ok, understood. i do think there are potential non-transaction-privacy related concerns with serving old mempool contents that could be brought up, so i don't want to gloss over any such issues if people think they're worth worrying about
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324 2019-10-23T17:17:11  <sdaftuar> for instance: i think greg once mentioned that you could turn the bitcoin network nodes' mempools into a distributed file system
325 2019-10-23T17:17:22  <sdaftuar> another possible concern is if we exacerbate fingerprinting attacks
326 2019-10-23T17:18:09  <sdaftuar> i tend to think that the first concern is something we could expend engineering manpower to combat if it became a problem
327 2019-10-23T17:18:26  <sdaftuar> and the latter is overshadowed by other ways we can fingerprint that are not so easily stopped
328 2019-10-23T17:18:28  <sipa> geah
329 2019-10-23T17:18:29  <sipa> yeah
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356 2019-10-23T18:19:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theuni opened pull request #17231: depends: fix boost mac cross build with clang 9+ (master...fix-boost-clang9) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17231
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359 2019-10-23T18:23:08  <fanquake> "Fixed" in Clang 9 by changing the output of -dumpversion from a hardcoded 4.2.1, to Clangs actual version.
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366 2019-10-23T19:01:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] adamjonas opened pull request #17232: Sanity assert GetAncestor() != nullptr where appropriate (master...assert_get_ancestor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17232
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372 2019-10-23T19:09:05  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #17233: travis: Run unit and functional tests on native arm (master...1910-travisNativeArm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17233
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386 2019-10-23T19:23:05  <dongcarl> I'm reading the codebase right now and it seems like we query DNS seeds before we use the fixed seeds? Is that right? Why do we do it this way?
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388 2019-10-23T19:24:42  <sipa> dongcarl: static seeds are an absolute last resort
389 2019-10-23T19:25:05  <dongcarl> sipa: Why not use static seeds before we query DNS?
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391 2019-10-23T19:25:15  <harding> dongcarl: because the fixed seeds are fallbacks in case the dynamic seeds (DNS) aren't working for some reason.  The fixed seeds are just the results of a DNS query from probably months before when the software was in pre-release.
392 2019-10-23T19:25:43  <sipa> because we ideally never use hardcoded static centralized-by-committee-chosen sets of IPs for this
393 2019-10-23T19:25:44  <harding> The DNS seeds are recent results of nodes that were known to be up recently.
394 2019-10-23T19:26:00  <sipa> they're a very last resort
395 2019-10-23T19:27:07  <dongcarl> but aren't DNS seeds even more centralized-by-committee? I can see the case for "known to be up recently"...
396 2019-10-23T19:27:48  <sipa> right, but at least those are only used to query other IP addresses
397 2019-10-23T19:28:12  <sipa> rather than directly being IP addresses that are thrown direclty into addrman
398 2019-10-23T19:30:50  <dongcarl> sipa: Well aren't they functionally the same? Someone who takes over the DNS seeds can also affect what's in your addrman? Or am I missing something
399 2019-10-23T19:31:43  <sipa> i think you're right
400 2019-10-23T19:32:15  <MarcoFalke> I think if you query by DNS seeds, you'll ask at least three random ones. So an attacker would have to take over all of them to achieve 100% takeover.
401 2019-10-23T19:32:37  <sipa> there are other differences though... using the static seeds will just result in lots of connections to those IPs, which didn't actually ever commit to being online a lot of the te
402 2019-10-23T19:32:43  <sipa> just historically good
403 2019-10-23T19:33:45  <dongcarl> MarcoFalke: Right now an attacker can gain majority by taking over just one of them: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16070
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406 2019-10-23T19:34:39  <dongcarl> I'm bringing this up mostly in the context of this old issue: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/6808
407 2019-10-23T19:35:07  <dongcarl> I wonder what the use expectation is when they specify `-onlynet=onion`
408 2019-10-23T19:35:10  <dongcarl> user*
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411 2019-10-23T19:36:31  <dongcarl> If we have hard-coded `.onion` addresses, I feel like those should be tried first, instead of the weird "connect thru an exit node to the address that one of the seeds resolve through" thing
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425 2019-10-23T19:52:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/deb2327b4359...c5ac7af7793a
426 2019-10-23T19:52:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4896bac MapleLaker: Add testcase to simulate bitcoin schema in leveldb
427 2019-10-23T19:52:32  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c5ac7af MarcoFalke: Merge #17206: test: Add testcase to simulate bitcoin schema in leveldb
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431 2019-10-23T19:52:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17206: test: Add testcase to simulate bitcoin schema in leveldb (master...dbwrapper_basic_data) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17206
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489 2019-10-23T21:53:18  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #17235: tests: Skip unnecessary fuzzer initialisation. Hold ECCVerifyHandle only when needed. (master...fuzz-initialize-when-needed) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17235
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