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  7 2019-11-26T00:04:15  <dviola> I'm confused
  8 2019-11-26T00:06:08  <achow101> dviola: the tarballs you download from bitcoincore.org are signed. I think luke-jr is talking about the tarballs that github generates for tags
  9 2019-11-26T00:06:31  <dviola> oh
 10 2019-11-26T00:06:39  <dviola> I see
 11 2019-11-26T00:06:54  <dviola> if I compile from git then I don't need to verify anything, right?
 12 2019-11-26T00:07:29  <dviola> i.e. if I clone from https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin.git
 13 2019-11-26T00:08:14  <achow101> you should at least check the tag signature
 14 2019-11-26T00:08:41  <achow101> you can also do a gitian build and check that your result matches the published binaries
 15 2019-11-26T00:08:45  <luke-jr> dviola: if you blindly trust GitHub, their security, and each and every maintainer
 16 2019-11-26T00:09:03  <luke-jr> or only check out a tag like achow101 suggests
 17 2019-11-26T00:09:15  <dviola> I don't trust github
 18 2019-11-26T00:10:03  <dviola> I'll just use the tarballs for now :P
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 29 2019-11-26T00:41:01  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #17606: qt, refactor: Use proper classes for Ui::* (master...20191125-fix-ui-baseclass) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17606
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 32 2019-11-26T00:49:30  <dviola> git verify-tag v0.19.0.1 tells me: gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
 33 2019-11-26T00:49:42  <dviola> which key do I have to import?
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 35 2019-11-26T01:00:51  <achow101> dviola: it's one of the keys in https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/contrib/verify-commits/trusted-keys
 36 2019-11-26T01:01:12  <achow101> those are the maintainers' PGP fingerprints
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 46 2019-11-26T01:10:43  <dviola> hrm
 47 2019-11-26T01:14:23  <dviola> I'm not very familiar with gpg :/
 48 2019-11-26T01:16:29  <dviola> 71A3B16735405025D447E8F274810B012346C9A6
 49 2019-11-26T01:16:35  <dviola> how do I use it to verify the tag?
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 54 2019-11-26T01:30:11  <dviola> --recv-keys did the trick
 55 2019-11-26T01:46:27  <dviola> so verify-tag tells me "good signature", is that all I have to do to verify the tag?
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 95 2019-11-26T04:23:59  <luke-jr> dviola: you also need to be sure that's the correct key you trust
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 98 2019-11-26T04:24:37  <luke-jr> ideally, verify in the flesh
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168 2019-11-26T08:27:21  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2c1c43754b7a...0ee914ba9e59
169 2019-11-26T08:27:21  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1a3a256 Harris: wallet: replace raw pointer with const reference in AddrToPubKey
170 2019-11-26T08:27:22  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 0ee914b Samuel Dobson: Merge #17584: wallet: replace raw pointer with const reference in AddrToPu...
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173 2019-11-26T08:27:41  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] meshcollider merged pull request #17584: wallet: replace raw pointer with const reference in AddrToPubKey (master...rpcwallet-redundant-pointer-conversion) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17584
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234 2019-11-26T10:39:14  <wumpus> dviola: FWIW rcs have tarballs and binaries too https://bitcoincore.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.19.0/test.rc3/
235 2019-11-26T10:40:25  <wumpus> the tarball is a subset of the repository contents, for obscure GNU legacy reasons, we're working on making it a full archive (see #17104), the contents of the tarball should be enough to build your own binaries though
236 2019-11-26T10:40:27  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17104 | build: `make dist` uses `git archive` by ch4ot1c · Pull Request #17104 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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302 2019-11-26T13:23:38  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] promag opened pull request #17611: gui: Make send and receive widgets extend QWidget (master...2019-11-send-receive-widgets) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17611
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312 2019-11-26T13:57:19  <dviola> luke-jr: alright, thanks
313 2019-11-26T13:57:55  <dviola> wumpus: thanks
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319 2019-11-26T14:49:24  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 3 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0ee914ba9e59...f2ab1309619b
320 2019-11-26T14:49:24  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8781904 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Fix class name of Ui::ModalOverlay
321 2019-11-26T14:49:25  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 93352d2 Hennadii Stepanov: qt: Use proper class for Ui::ReceiveCoinsDialog
322 2019-11-26T14:49:25  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f2ab130 fanquake: Merge #17606: qt, refactor: Use proper classes for Ui::*
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325 2019-11-26T14:49:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #17606: qt, refactor: Use proper classes for Ui::* (master...20191125-fix-ui-baseclass) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17606
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333 2019-11-26T15:15:17  <jnewbery> MarcoFalke, wumpus: #17283 seems ready for merge (5 ACKs total, 2 on the current head commit). It's also just a documentation and test change
334 2019-11-26T15:15:20  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17283 | rpc: improve getaddressinfo test coverage, help, code docs by jonatack · Pull Request #17283 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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339 2019-11-26T15:19:36  <fanquake> I enjoy how that PR has managed to introduce yet another way to describe epoch time in the RPC output
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341 2019-11-26T15:23:52  <jonatack> fanquake: can revert/change that, if desired, in #17578
342 2019-11-26T15:23:55  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17578 | rpc: simplify getaddressinfo labels, deprecate previous behavior by jonatack · Pull Request #17578 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
343 2019-11-26T15:26:24  <jonatack> fanquake: unsure which version of Epoch Time is the standard, though :)
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345 2019-11-26T15:30:56  <fanquake> I don't really care
346 2019-11-26T15:31:05  <fanquake> There's currently "since epoch", "epoch (Jan 1 1970 GMT)", "Unix seconds-since-epoch", "since epoch (midnight Jan 1 1970 GMT)", "(seconds since Unix epoch)", and we'll be adding "since Epoch Time (Jan 1 1970 GMT)"
347 2019-11-26T15:31:19  <fanquake> I'm probably missing some too
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349 2019-11-26T15:31:45  <jonatack> hehe, will pick one
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359 2019-11-26T15:54:07  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/f2ab1309619b...4fb82e916b3b
360 2019-11-26T15:54:07  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 27d82b6 fanquake: gui: remove macOS start on login code
361 2019-11-26T15:54:08  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4fb82e9 fanquake: Merge #17567: gui: remove macOS start on login code
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364 2019-11-26T15:54:26  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fanquake merged pull request #17567: gui: remove macOS start on login code (master...remove_macos_startup_item) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17567
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367 2019-11-26T15:57:16  <wumpus> jnewbery: agree
368 2019-11-26T16:00:30  <MarcoFalke> Yeah, we should probably clarify that all times in Bitcoin are not clocks (e.g. the c++11 clock), but durations measured from epoch
369 2019-11-26T16:01:09  <wumpus> fanquake: FWIW I think "UNIX epoch time" in itself should be enough, it's not really the domain of RPC documentation to explain things like that
370 2019-11-26T16:01:31  <MarcoFalke> Maybe pull it out into a string, so that it is at least consistent
371 2019-11-26T16:01:33  <wumpus> a simple google/wikipedia query can give all the details on that
372 2019-11-26T16:01:42  <wumpus> yeah
373 2019-11-26T16:01:50  <MarcoFalke> Agree that "UNIX epoch time" or something short should be sufficient
374 2019-11-26T16:01:50  <fanquake> 👍
375 2019-11-26T16:02:36  <MarcoFalke> s/c++11 clocks/ c++11 time points/
376 2019-11-26T16:03:37  <jonatack> +1
377 2019-11-26T16:08:41  <fanquake> good-first-issued it in #17613. Maybe someone will see the tweet and fix it for us.
378 2019-11-26T16:08:43  <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/17613 | doc: unify epoch time description in RPC output · Issue #17613 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
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380 2019-11-26T16:09:08  <jonatack> In RPCExamples, is there a norm between providing real addresses, versus invalid ones?
381 2019-11-26T16:09:53  <aj> MarcoFalke: i could see having two different chrono::time_points/clocks to distinguish mockable and non-mockable time fwiw
382 2019-11-26T16:10:51  <jonatack> I wondered when updating the getaddressinfo example to bech32.
383 2019-11-26T16:11:06  <sipa> MarcoFalke: how is it possible that s390x is faster than most other platforms?
384 2019-11-26T16:11:18  <sipa> is it running on an actual IBM supercomputer? :s
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386 2019-11-26T16:12:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 8 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/4fb82e916b3b...d8a66626d631
387 2019-11-26T16:12:09  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 70cda34 Jon Atack: rpc: improve getaddressinfo RPCHelpman formatting
388 2019-11-26T16:12:09  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5a0ed85 Jon Atack: rpc: improve getaddressinfo RPCHelpman content
389 2019-11-26T16:12:10  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 8d1ed0c Jon Atack: rpc: clarify label vs labels in getaddressinfo RPCHelpman
390 2019-11-26T16:12:10  <aj> MarcoFalke: (i tried it out a bit. one downside is that due to c++ lameness, you can't have atomic<time_point>. otherwise it's kind of invasive, in the same way switching to durations is, but seems to work ok)
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393 2019-11-26T16:12:27  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] laanwj merged pull request #17283: rpc: improve getaddressinfo test coverage, help, code docs (master...rpc-getaddressinfo-labels) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17283
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406 2019-11-26T17:04:54  <wumpus> 0.17.2 binaries up https://bitcoincore.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.17.2/
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423 2019-11-26T17:53:33  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] petterhs opened pull request #17614: rpc: fix failure calling dumptxoutset with invalid filename (master...fix-rpc-dumptxoutset) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17614
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427 2019-11-26T17:57:46  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] brakmic opened pull request #17615: rpc: check for irregular files in dumptxoutset (master...dumptxoutset-invalid-file-error) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17615
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430 2019-11-26T17:58:08  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] petterhs closed pull request #17614: rpc: fix failure calling dumptxoutset with invalid filename (master...fix-rpc-dumptxoutset) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17614
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454 2019-11-26T19:16:32  <dviola> can I run a node from git master, or not recommended?
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456 2019-11-26T19:17:37  <jarthur> A fine node for testnet. For mainnet… *shrug*
457 2019-11-26T19:17:58  <dviola> hrm
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460 2019-11-26T19:21:11  <jonatack> dviola: this may be a poor example to follow, but i test nodes on master and PR branches all the time (with very small/symbolic amounts in them) on mainnet
461 2019-11-26T19:21:24  <vasild> Why not on mainnet too? Else how will new code be tested on mainnet? Putting (many) BTC in it is another question.
462 2019-11-26T19:21:43  <jonatack> ^
463 2019-11-26T19:23:15  <jonatack> for dev purposes though. most people should probably only test release candidates, i suppose.
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465 2019-11-26T19:24:02  <jonatack> which would already be very helpful
466 2019-11-26T19:27:32  <jarthur> In theory, what's in master has been accepted in both concept and code by other developers and has been tested. It hasn't baked as long in a features-frozen state, so might have slightly higher risk of A) participating in an accidental soft or hard fork. or B) loss of funds. The risk of an accidental fork damaging the network is made higher the higher number of nodes running from master there are.
467 2019-11-26T19:29:32  <jarthur> https://bitnodes.earn.com/nodes/?q=Satoshi:0.19.99 are some folks that might be running master or an preliminary release of some sort.
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472 2019-11-26T19:47:38  <ysangkok> jarthur: "more master implies more forking" implies that master actually hard forks and those forks are fixed before the rc process. how often did that happen in the past?
473 2019-11-26T19:48:27  <sipa> as far as i know, once
474 2019-11-26T19:48:34  <sipa> before 0.8
475 2019-11-26T19:48:47  <sipa> eh, 0.10
476 2019-11-26T19:49:16  <sipa> though found by improved p2p tests, not rc procesz
477 2019-11-26T19:50:49  <ysangkok> i guess it is very subjective and dependent on how afraid of hard forks you are, and how much you desire more testers. i always hear people complaining about the lack of testing in code review. it is never explicitly explained how this reconciles with an advice against running off master
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480 2019-11-26T19:56:12  <jarthur> ysangkok: I'm definitely not advising against running off master. Depending on what the goals of your node are (e.g. testing some code in real-world scenarios), it might the exact correct thing to do.
481 2019-11-26T19:57:23  <ysangkok> all right, happy to hear that, mostly because i think of master of pretty stable and i want that view confirmed :P
482 2019-11-26T19:57:47  <ysangkok> (speaking as someone not financially invested)
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502 2019-11-26T20:52:51  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #17617: rpc: replace varying UNIX time strings with a constant (master...unix-epoch-time-consistency) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17617
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543 2019-11-26T23:09:31  <dviola> jonatack: I see, interesting
544 2019-11-26T23:09:43  <dviola> I might do something similar in the future
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