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 582020-03-24T06:38:20  <vasild> What is the reason we store blocks in blk*.dat files in the order they are received and undos in rev*.dat files in height order? This convolutes the code a lot. If we can store in the same order (either receive or height) then some significant simplifications in the code can be done.
 592020-03-24T06:39:18  <aj> they're both stored in the order the data is discovered, which minimises having to shuffle the data on disk?
 602020-03-24T06:41:05  <sipa> i experimented with 1 file per block/undo early on
 612020-03-24T06:41:24  <sipa> but most filesystems didn't deal well with that
 622020-03-24T06:42:23  <vasild> aj: is it the case that we don't have the undo for a given block before having all prior blocks?
 632020-03-24T06:42:39  <sipa> vasild: undo data is created when a block is activated
 642020-03-24T06:42:56  <sipa> a block can only be activated once we have its data + its parent is active
 652020-03-24T06:42:57  <vasild> sipa: right, that would be 600k small files
 662020-03-24T06:43:27  <vasild> I see
 672020-03-24T06:43:39  <sipa> so yes it requires a block + its ancestors
 682020-03-24T06:44:06  <sipa> but we only attempt activation in chains that would lead to a new best tip
 692020-03-24T06:44:12  <vasild> so if we want (I am not sure if we do) store block and undo in the same order it means to store both in height order.
 702020-03-24T06:44:33  <sipa> so it's possible we download a block and then never activate it
 712020-03-24T06:44:54  <sipa> that would mean killing parallel block download
 722020-03-24T06:45:08  <sipa> (which inherently downloads them in non-height order)
 732020-03-24T06:45:55  <vasild> sipa: what about keeping the downloaded blocks with are not connected yet in memory and only send them to disk once we have all prior blocks, together with the undo (both in height order)?
 742020-03-24T06:46:07  <vasild> s/with are/which are/
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 762020-03-24T06:46:35  <sipa> vasild: that's not very realistic
 772020-03-24T06:46:43  <sipa> except for big machines
 782020-03-24T06:46:50  <vasild> too much memory would be required?
 792020-03-24T06:47:04  <sipa> we download up to 1000 blocks simultaneously
 802020-03-24T06:47:20  <sipa> that number can probably be reduced
 812020-03-24T06:47:33  <sipa> it's too low early on in the chain, and too large later on
 822020-03-24T06:49:16  <sipa> i don't think this should be a big problem really
 832020-03-24T06:49:44  <vasild> hmm, we can deduce how much memory would have been needed if we look at an existent database where blocks are stored in receive order
 842020-03-24T06:49:57  <sipa> i guess
 852020-03-24T06:50:19  <sipa> but you can't just add gigabytes (or even 100 MB) to the memory footprint
 862020-03-24T06:50:38  <sipa> people configure nodes on small devicez
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 892020-03-24T06:53:31  <vasild> If this turns out to be worth exploring, then I guess the download would have a buffer where out of order blocks are stored until being connected and if this buffer grows too much then some blocks evicted from it (maybe highest ones) meaning they would have to be re-downloaded because we couldnt store them in memory and couldn't put them on disk
 902020-03-24T06:53:49  <sipa> gah
 912020-03-24T06:53:53  <sipa> we did that in 0.9
 922020-03-24T06:53:56  <sipa> it was horrible
 932020-03-24T06:54:20  <sipa> you'd download the same blocks over and over again
 942020-03-24T06:54:21  <vasild> too many re-downloads?
 952020-03-24T06:54:48  <sipa> i really don't see a reason to change that (i'm biased, i wrote the parallel block download code...)
 962020-03-24T06:54:50  <vasild> how many blocks were kept in memory before starting eviction?
 972020-03-24T06:55:25  <vasild> well, parallel download is a must, I am not saying to kill it
 982020-03-24T06:55:35  <sipa> 1000, i think - but the whole block download logic was a bunch of hacks ducktaped together back then
 992020-03-24T06:55:46  <sipa> it's unfair to compare it to anything you're suggesting now
1002020-03-24T06:56:23  <sipa> but i also don't see a good motivation for changing the order
1012020-03-24T06:56:45  <sipa> we could just reorder the undo data in files whenever needed too by rewriting them
1022020-03-24T06:56:56  <vasild> ok, two key points from the above discussion - 1. we can't write undo in receive order and 2. there is no strict reason to store blocks in receive order - it is being done to ease parallel download.
1032020-03-24T06:57:05  <sipa> except that'd be much harder than just fixing the flushing logi
1042020-03-24T06:57:46  <sipa> well, they're stored in order to avoid needing to rewrite things
1052020-03-24T06:57:56  <sipa> it's just the easiest thing to do
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1072020-03-24T06:58:37  <vasild> to rewrite things you mean rewrite the source code or data on disk? :)
1082020-03-24T06:59:01  <aj> data on disk
1092020-03-24T06:59:24  <vasild> if we buffer blocks and store them in height order on disk then nothing will be rewritten on disk?
1102020-03-24T06:59:54  <aj> if you buffer them on disk, you'll be rewriting them; if you buffer them in ram, you're adding 100M-1G of extra ram which is unreasonable
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1122020-03-24T07:00:55  <vasild> I am talking about buffering in ram. Buffering on disk makes no sense to me.
1132020-03-24T07:01:15  <sipa> buffering in ram makes no sense to me
1142020-03-24T07:01:22  <sipa> it's not data we likely ever need
1152020-03-24T07:03:17  <vasild> Maybe I would write a tool to analyze an existent blk/rev database and it would show max peak buffer size for that database, if it was downloaded in a way that out of order blocks are buffered in ram.
1162020-03-24T07:05:01  <sipa> the max peak buffer size is 4 GB
1172020-03-24T07:05:16  <sipa> 1000 blocks @ 4 MB/block
1182020-03-24T07:05:38  <vasild> but it feels like the similification of writing block and undo in the same order will come at a cost - complicating parallel block download with buffering out of order blocks.
1192020-03-24T07:07:25  <vasild> ok, sipa, aj, thanks for the explanations!
1202020-03-24T07:24:03  <sipa> vasild: yw!
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1642020-03-24T13:22:53  <fjahr> sipa: when you looked into single block *.blk files did you also think about concatenating these to a larger file at a certain depth? At least there would not be too many small files or were there other issues caused by the file system? Just curious.
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1682020-03-24T13:45:14  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #18417: tests: Add fuzzing harnesses for functions in addrdb.h, net_permissions.h and timedata.h (master...fuzzers-misc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18417
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1832020-03-24T15:13:58  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] fjahr opened pull request #18418: wallet: Increase OUTPUT_GROUP_MAX_ENTRIES to 100 (master...groups100) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18418
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1862020-03-24T15:14:13  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/ac579ada7e83...98fbb2a1844a
1872020-03-24T15:14:14  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 5aab011 Sebastian Falbesoner: test: add unit test for non-standard "scriptsig-not-pushonly" txs
1882020-03-24T15:14:15  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 98fbb2a MarcoFalke: Merge #17720: test: add unit test for non-standard "scriptsig-not-pushonly...
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1912020-03-24T15:14:43  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #17720: test: add unit test for non-standard "scriptsig-not-pushonly" txs (master...20191211-test-check-for-non-standard-txs-with-non-push-scriptsig) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/17720
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1962020-03-24T15:21:00  <sipa> fjahr: no, i didn't
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2042020-03-24T15:36:52  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/98fbb2a1844a...5236b2e267a5
2052020-03-24T15:36:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a8695db practicalswift: tests: Add fuzzing harness for functions in addrdb.h
2062020-03-24T15:36:53  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 43ff0d9 practicalswift: tests: Add fuzzing harness for functions in timedata.h
2072020-03-24T15:36:54  <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 4308aa6 practicalswift: tests: Add fuzzing harness for functions in net_permissions.h
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2102020-03-24T15:37:12  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #18417: tests: Add fuzzing harnesses for functions in addrdb.h, net_permissions.h and timedata.h (master...fuzzers-misc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18417
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2202020-03-24T15:52:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jonatack opened pull request #18420: test: listsinceblock block height checks (master...listsinceblock-block-height-checks) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18420
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2252020-03-24T15:58:35  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] naumenkogs opened pull request #18421: Periodically update DNS caches for better privacy of non reachable-nodes (master...2020_03_dns_cache_update) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18421
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2392020-03-24T16:42:12  <achow101> is anyone else missing bitcoin/bitcoin on the travis.org sidebar (under My Repositories)?
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2482020-03-24T16:58:57  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] jnewbery opened pull request #18422: [consensus] MOVEONLY: Move single-sig checking EvalScript code to EvalChecksig (master...2020-03-evalchecksig) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18422
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2562020-03-24T17:09:32  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] practicalswift opened pull request #18423: tests: Add fuzzing harness for classes/functions in blockfilter.h. Add integer {de,}serialization fuzzing. (master...fuzzers-misc-2) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18423
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2952020-03-24T18:33:46  <ryanofsky> I also lost travis access. related: anybody seen "Mempool sync timed out" from mempool_reorg.py? https://travis-ci.org/github/bitcoin/bitcoin/jobs/666384343
2962020-03-24T18:34:48  <sipa> ryanofsky: yeah i've seen that a few times the past few days
2972020-03-24T18:35:01  <sipa> i'm still able to restart travis jobs it seems
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3002020-03-24T18:44:09  <ryanofsky> Thanks, signing out and in fixed it on my end too, also found https://www.traviscistatus.com/incidents/ntxbkxt8lrx9
3012020-03-24T18:47:42  <wumpus> looks like i still have access to travis for bitcoin/bitcoin
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3132020-03-24T19:39:11  <achow101> logging out and back in did not fix it for me
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3312020-03-24T20:57:54  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #18424: qt: Use parent-child relation to manage lifetime of OptionsModel object (master...20200324-options-model) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18424
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3342020-03-24T20:59:59  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] achow101 opened pull request #18425: releases: Update with new Windows code signing certificate (master...win-cert-3-20) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18425
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3512020-03-24T22:20:31  <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] theStack opened pull request #18426: scripts: previous_release: improve behaviour on failed download (master...20200324-scripts-previous-release-show-error-message-if-download-fails) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18426
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