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572020-10-04T06:42:54 <amiti> wumpus: thanks for the thoughtful reply! helps to hear your outlook, and overall makes sense. I definitely agree with preventing anything dangerous, but questions around flexibility vs usability is more of a gray area. regarding `-connect -dnsseed=1` it seems strange to engage in gossip if you don't actually care about the addresses, but reframing as a question of disabling AddrMan entirely seems like a good
582020-10-04T06:42:54 <amiti> bigger-picture direction to engage in
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602020-10-04T07:08:26 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 4 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/54fc96ffa70a...06314fbb5521
612020-10-04T07:08:27 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 1b41ce8 Fabian Jahr: lint: Don't use TRAVIS_COMMIT_RANGE for commit-script-check
622020-10-04T07:08:27 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master c11dc99 Fabian Jahr: lint: Don't use TRAVIS_COMMIT_RANGE in whitespace linter
632020-10-04T07:08:28 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master a91ab86 Fabian Jahr: lint: Use TRAVIS_BRANCH in lint-git-commit-check.sh
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662020-10-04T07:08:46 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20071: ci, lint: Remove usage of TRAVIS_COMMIT_RANGE (master...commit_range) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20071
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692020-10-04T07:11:36 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/06314fbb5521...2f7a53cc9d68
702020-10-04T07:11:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 3491bf3 Wladimir J. van der Laan: test: Mention commit id in scripted diff error
712020-10-04T07:11:37 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 2f7a53c MarcoFalke: Merge #20069: test: Mention commit id in scripted diff error
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742020-10-04T07:12:01 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20069: test: Mention commit id in scripted diff error (master...2020_10_scriptdiff_lint_errormsg) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20069
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792020-10-04T07:26:18 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto closed pull request #20073: [DO NOT MERGE] ci: Print TRAVIS_COMMIT_RANGE before fail (master...201003-travis) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20073
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832020-10-04T07:44:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke pushed 2 commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2f7a53cc9d68...f0fd13222621
842020-10-04T07:44:53 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 33df8d4 Fabian Jahr: ci: Build Arm64 on Travis without functional tests
852020-10-04T07:44:53 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master f0fd132 MarcoFalke: Merge #20072: ci: Build Arm64 on Travis without functional tests
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882020-10-04T07:45:12 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #20072: ci: Build Arm64 on Travis without functional tests (master...travis_arm) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20072
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922020-10-04T07:55:57 <wumpus> dhruvm: amiti: yes I mean what I'd like to avoid is a forest of special cases of option combinations that are rejected, because that's hard to maintain, but thinking of the bigger picture around it makes sense
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942020-10-04T07:56:56 <wumpus> is it just me or is it, with all the buttons and widgets and things that have been added, harder and harder to get to the recent commits list on github
952020-10-04T07:59:55 <sipa> wumpus: "git log" works great :)
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972020-10-04T08:00:52 <wumpus> sipa: sure, it does, it's just slightly amusing that git's (commonly quotes as horrendous) command line interface is starting to look friendly compared to github's how-many-buttons-can-we-fit-per-square inch
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1002020-10-04T08:02:08 <sipa> wumpus: haha, true
1012020-10-04T08:02:29 <sipa> at some point they'll introduce a CLI console, i'm sure
1022020-10-04T08:10:36 <wumpus> good idea :)
1032020-10-04T08:11:54 <wumpus> glad to see the travis commit range issue was sorted out
1042020-10-04T08:13:01 <sipa> we really need to keep our false positive rate for CI failure low
1052020-10-04T08:13:53 <sipa> not anyone's fault of course, but this seems to have been tbe result of a cascade, where a bad commit was merged because CI was unreliable, which led to it resulting in even more false positives
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1082020-10-04T08:18:35 <wumpus> the bad commit was merged because the CI didn't run at all for that PR, not because it was unreliable IIRC
1092020-10-04T08:19:15 <wumpus> in any case I think it was good this came up: it was checking a too-large range of commits, this was bound to be a problem some day
1102020-10-04T08:19:34 <wumpus> even as say, a performance issue
1112020-10-04T08:20:27 <wumpus> I agree it's good to keep the false positive rate for CI down, obviously, we're trying ... Travis definitlye doesn't make it easy e.g. the random ARM failures recently
1122020-10-04T08:20:51 <sipa> yeah :(
1132020-10-04T08:23:32 <wumpus> AppVeyor also has these random issues where some dependency is upgraded server side ...
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1152020-10-04T08:24:48 <wumpus> I have no clue what is the problem there this time, it's broken at a fairly high level, with everything giving BUILD_FAILURE
1162020-10-04T08:27:23 <wumpus> oh it confuses even sipsorcery #20066
1172020-10-04T08:27:24 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/20066 | CI: Appveyor builds failing · Issue #20066 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
1182020-10-04T08:33:02 <wumpus> by far most of the failures are outside our control, it rarely happens that we merge something that breaks the build
1192020-10-04T08:33:58 <sipa> wumpus: some repository we depend on indirectly went offline, it seems?
1202020-10-04T08:34:01 <sipa> the msys2 thing
1212020-10-04T08:34:08 <wumpus> yes :/
1222020-10-04T08:36:24 <fanquake> wumpus: yea that was my stuff up not seeing the missing dash. I thought I'd seen a green tick for Travis as well.
1232020-10-04T08:39:28 <wumpus> fanquake: yes, that was strange, it has happened before that Travis just doesn't trigger on a PR. I think the only worrying thing is that the scripted diff script in that PR went unchecked now. Did anyone check it manually? If not we probably should.
1242020-10-04T08:39:33 <sipa> is there a way to make appveyor failures as non-fatal?
1252020-10-04T08:41:45 <sipa> wumpus: good idea
1262020-10-04T08:42:28 <sipa> yeah, the diff is trivial
1272020-10-04T08:42:34 <fanquake> wumpus: I did check locally that the change was complete before merging
1282020-10-04T08:42:41 <fanquake> was only 4 lines
1292020-10-04T08:42:45 <sipa> only string changes
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1362020-10-04T09:12:29 <wumpus> fanquake: thanks!
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1462020-10-04T09:40:42 <wumpus> sipa: I'm not sure there's a way to do that, it's definitely been proposed before, but I think github counts all CIs as equal by definition
1472020-10-04T09:41:17 <wumpus> (which is also why I think we shouldn't add any further ones, it already seems like a slot machine sometimes with these three)
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1832020-10-04T13:09:44 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] hebasto opened pull request #20076: doc: Update and improve files.md (master...201004-files) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20076
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1912020-10-04T13:42:01 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master 675e55e Suhas Daftuar: Ignore unknown messages before VERACK
1922020-10-04T13:42:01 <bitcoin-git> bitcoin/master cce1513 MarcoFalke: Merge #19723: Ignore unknown messages before VERACK
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1952020-10-04T13:42:30 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke merged pull request #19723: Ignore unknown messages before VERACK (master...2020-08-feature-negotiation) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/19723
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1982020-10-04T13:48:16 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20077: test: Peers avoiding the handshake are disconnected (master...2010-testPeerVerackTimeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20077
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2062020-10-04T14:14:22 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #20077: test: Peers avoiding the handshake are disconnected (master...2010-testPeerVerackTimeout) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20077
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2192020-10-04T15:24:52 <bitcoin-git> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #20079: p2p: Ignore non-version msgs before version msg (master...2010-p2pNoVersion) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/20079
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2472020-10-04T18:59:04 <hebasto> what is currently minimum supported version of Bitcoin Core?
2482020-10-04T19:00:03 <sipa> https://bitcoincore.org/en/lifecycle/
2492020-10-04T19:00:57 <hebasto> sipa: 0.19.1 right?
2502020-10-04T19:02:26 <sipa> hebasto: yeah, the 0.19 release series is the last maintained and supported one
2512020-10-04T19:02:51 <hebasto> sipa: thanks for link and confirmation
2522020-10-04T19:03:02 <sipa> though it will become unmaintained once 0.21 is released
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