19:00:21 <wumpus> #startmeeting
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19:00:23 <jonasschnelli> hi
19:00:25 <kanzure> hi
19:00:39 <wumpus> #bitcoin-core-dev Meeting: wumpus sipa gmaxwell jonasschnelli morcos luke-jr sdaftuar jtimon cfields petertodd kanzure bluematt instagibbs phantomcircuit codeshark michagogo marcofalke paveljanik NicolasDorier jl2012 achow101 meshcollider jnewbery maaku fanquake promag provoostenator aj Chris_Stewart_5 dongcarl gwillen jamesob ken281221 ryanofsky gleb moneyball kvaciral
19:00:43 <sipa> hi
19:00:47 <achow101> hi
19:00:51 <meshcollider> hi
19:00:53 <jeremyrubin> hi
19:01:07 <phantomcircuit> hi
19:01:12 <wumpus> no proposed topics in https://gist.github.com/moneyball/071d608fdae217c2a6d7c35955881d8a, anyone have any last minute topics?
19:01:13 <meshcollider> wumpus isn't invisible this week \o/
19:01:20 <jtimon> hi
19:01:22 <wumpus> meshcollider: hah
19:01:48 <wumpus> I have one about #16754
19:01:50 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16754 | Transifex organization issues · Issue #16754 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
19:02:10 <dongcarl> fanquake: Are you here?
19:02:39 <wumpus> #topic High priority for review
19:02:51 <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/projects/8  5 blockers, 6 chasing concept ACK
19:02:59 <provoostenator> hi
19:03:05 <wumpus> anything to add/remove, or ready for merge?
19:03:50 <dongcarl> Can we add #16392
19:03:50 <provoostenator> #15450
19:03:52 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16392 | WIP build: macOS toolchain update by fanquake · Pull Request #16392 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
19:03:56 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/15450 | [GUI] Create wallet menu option by achow101 · Pull Request #15450 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
19:04:09 <wumpus> I don't think adding a WIP PR makes sense?
19:04:27 <wumpus> it's either WIP or ready for review, not both
19:04:36 <wumpus> or do you mean to chasing concept ACK?
19:04:39 <provoostenator> Although achow101 already has a PR...
19:04:44 <dongcarl> Yeah chasing concept ACK
19:05:01 <dongcarl> Would like some discussion around updating the OS X SDK
19:05:07 <warren> hi
19:06:05 <wumpus> provoostenator: well you're proposing this one and you don't have one of your own so I guess that's okay
19:07:28 <provoostenator> Awesome. It reduces the rebase hell I'm in for hardware wallet GUI.
19:07:46 <provoostenator> And it's pretty much done anyway
19:08:32 <wumpus> great !
19:09:37 <wumpus> #topic Transifex organization issues
19:09:59 <wumpus> so basically I don't have full access to the organization under which bitcoin core's translations are, on transifex
19:10:18 <wumpus> none of us has, only the person who orignally created it, 'seone', does anyone perhaps know them?
19:10:22 <wumpus> #16754
19:10:23 <gribble> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/16754 | Transifex organization issues · Issue #16754 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub
19:10:47 <jonasschnelli> Could contacting transiflex eventually help?
19:11:15 <jonasschnelli> They may help in such cases when the administrator left...
19:11:18 <sipa> never heard of that person
19:11:20 <wumpus> I don't know, my proposal is to move the translations to the bitcoincore org, which already has the website translations
19:11:31 <wumpus> or at least, create them there starting with 0.19
19:11:45 <jonasschnelli> would loosing contributors be a problem? or any other downside when moving to bitcoincore?
19:11:47 <sipa> well would there be any overhead from the transition?
19:11:48 <wumpus> contacting transifex might help, but may take a long time to resolve
19:12:10 <wumpus> we're losing contributors now because I don't have access to the team page
19:12:19 <wumpus> and can't set language coordinators andsuch
19:12:22 <jonasschnelli> Oh. Good point.
19:12:43 <jonasschnelli> ack on moving from my side
19:12:59 <provoostenator> ACK on moving or starting from scratch
19:13:40 <wumpus> I had hoped someone simply knew seone, I've tried contacting them through the site a few times but I think their last activity was in 2017 or so
19:13:51 <meshcollider> You could contact transifex and just give it 3 days or so just to see what happens without waiting forever
19:13:54 <wumpus> not aware of any IRC or github nicks
19:13:55 <warren> In the past I knew the owner of Transifex personally but we haven't talked for years, maybe I can get his attention now.
19:14:09 <wumpus> oh someone on the inside of transifex would also help
19:14:27 <warren> let's set a timeout, if we can't get help by _______ then we move
19:14:51 <wumpus> the problem is that 0.19 translations are supposed to open in 3 days
19:15:26 <wumpus> so that means we skip this for 0.19, which is fine, I guess we can mess around as we did for another release
19:17:11 <wumpus> so are you sure enough this will work warren that it's worth that?
19:17:43 <warren> wumpus: I don't know, I haven't tried to talk to him for many years now. Transifex started as a Fedora project over a decade ago, that's how I know him.
19:17:53 <wumpus> oh!
19:17:57 <warren> actually we talked maybe 4 years ago
19:18:20 <warren> would it be a pain to move to the other org? would it confuse people?
19:18:21 <wumpus> that's longer ago than when I talked to seone :-)
19:18:39 <provoostenator> So we wait 3 days to see if move can happy quckly, otherwise do 0.19 from a fresh account (maybe a day or two delayed)?
19:19:04 <wumpus> nah, could just throw a notification in the old organisation that the translations have opened, in another place
19:19:08 <provoostenator> Given that we have to handle backports for a while, it's nice to do 0.19 the righ tway
19:19:59 <wumpus> I think a notification on transifex results in a mail for everyone that participates
19:20:06 <wumpus> but yes, let's wait a week then
19:20:07 <warren> wumpus: it's thursday now. if I can't get a response by end of Friday then assume we won't get an answer in time and plan on moving?
19:20:09 <wumpus> any other topics?
19:20:18 <wumpus> warren: sounds good to me!
19:20:21 <warren> a week? OK i'll try
19:20:45 <wumpus> yeah it's not a problem to open the translation a few days later, that's definitely happened before
19:22:58 <wumpus> no other topics, going to close the meeting then, thanks everyone
19:23:10 <wumpus> #endmeeting