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  8 2015-10-12T01:38:08  <Luke-Jr> k, done w/ sigs
  9 2015-10-12T01:39:20  <jgarzik> Corrections welcome: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3oecqm/psa_to_address_mempool_flooding_bitcoin_core/
 10 2015-10-12T01:39:29  <jgarzik> Perhaps duplicative, but another one didn't stick
 11 2015-10-12T01:57:13  <tripleslash> and already seized on by a troll that you didn't provide enough warning. :-/
 12 2015-10-12T01:59:35  <phantomcircuit> jgarzik, ha yeah that brough ina bunch of /xt trolls
 13 2015-10-12T01:59:38  <phantomcircuit> shocking
 14 2015-10-12T02:05:53  <jcorgan> why bother with /r/bitcoin anymore?
 15 2015-10-12T02:06:28  <tripleslash> because it is the defacto?
 16 2015-10-12T02:06:42  <tripleslash> same reason companies still screw with .com when there are plenty of other options
 17 2015-10-12T02:08:17  <alpalp> jcorgan: what are better options?
 18 2015-10-12T02:10:26  <jcorgan> i'm not sure there are any useful public venues for bitcoin related matters any more.  i'd say post announcements on a read-only mailing list, say, bitcoin-core-announce, and let responsible people stay on top of announcements about software they run that handles their money.
 19 2015-10-12T02:11:06  <jcorgan> but posting a PSA and notice and immediately getting troll grief just...sucks.
 20 2015-10-12T02:11:37  <tripleslash> An announcement list is probably long overdue, but then the issues of "Who has post access and what" still come up
 21 2015-10-12T02:11:45  <phantomcircuit> jcorgan, the same group of trolls is everywhere
 22 2015-10-12T02:11:49  <tripleslash> you know whatever is decided won't be enough
 23 2015-10-12T02:13:43  <alpalp> jcorgan: it's a handful of idiots
 24 2015-10-12T02:13:46  <alpalp> who are loud
 25 2015-10-12T02:14:07  <alpalp> one guy who thinks mike hearn warned us of this and would have saved us, and he gets downvoted, its not a big deal
 26 2015-10-12T02:14:14  <alpalp> most of the children have moved out of /r/bitcoin anyway
 27 2015-10-12T02:16:15  <jcorgan> meh.  i don't know why we keep expecting unpaid but skilled and highly productive volunteers to put up with it.
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 30 2015-10-12T02:26:46  <tripleslash> jcorgan, thanks for the indirect quote: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3oecqm/psa_to_address_mempool_flooding_bitcoin_core/cvwial1
 31 2015-10-12T02:27:34  <alpalp> What are the odds this guy even runs a node
 32 2015-10-12T02:30:02  <tripleslash> alpalp: he confessed to running xt, so I suppose it depends on your definition of 'node'
 33 2015-10-12T02:30:18  <jcorgan> yeah, assholes are everywhere.  engaging them just adds legitimacy, as if you agree anything they have to say is worth your time to respond.
 34 2015-10-12T02:30:34  <alpalp> tripleslash: I have doubts even 1/4 of those who claim to run xt nodes actually do
 35 2015-10-12T02:31:10  <tripleslash> yeah, I saw the number of people paying to have clones run several months ago
 36 2015-10-12T02:34:36  <jcorgan> guys, sorry for instigating this discussion thread.  clearly this was the kind of thing happening on #bitcoin-dev that brought about the change to using this channel instead.  can we go back to pull requests and releases?
 37 2015-10-12T02:35:11  <tripleslash> +1
 38 2015-10-12T02:38:14  <tripleslash> So there's a .1 coming down to change the default minrelaytxfee?
 39 2015-10-12T02:40:19  <phantomcircuit> jcorgan, ha he deleted his post
 40 2015-10-12T02:40:34  <phantomcircuit> yes we can
 41 2015-10-12T02:47:22  <jcorgan> i'm still interested in understanding what is going on with #6681
 42 2015-10-12T02:50:00  <phantomcircuit> it would be nice if we could unify the memory usage stuff such that there was a single parameter
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 47 2015-10-12T03:17:35  <jgarzik> would prefer to keep non-tech discussion of my post on #bitcoin.  if there are tech corrections, by all means, post here
 48 2015-10-12T03:18:35  <jgarzik> RE: forum, twitter and reddit can be useful to start getting word out to other forums.  reporters watch them etc.
 49 2015-10-12T03:41:34  <nanotube> hm, set up a twitterbot to tweet bitcoin-announce mailing list titles with links to full email body? :)
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 52 2015-10-12T04:22:59  <tripleslash> nanotube: twitterbot with release notes for builds that have gone wide release
 53 2015-10-12T04:33:03  <nanotube> maybe just the rss feed? https://bitcoin.org/en/rss/releases.rss
 54 2015-10-12T04:44:52  <tripleslash> That works
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 58 2015-10-12T05:13:39  <GitHub12> [bitcoin] RHavar closed pull request #6649: Default fPayAtLeastCustomFee to false (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6649
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 65 2015-10-12T06:09:19  <wumpus> looking at stack layouts, two functions stand out in bitcoind, secp256k1_ecmult_gen_context_build  with a 221760 byte stack frame and ThreadSocketHandler with 67080. The rest is <8000.
 66 2015-10-12T06:11:11  <wumpus> fortunately, neither is a recursive function
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 69 2015-10-12T07:40:58  <sipa> wumpus: the forner is gone is libsecp256k1 master
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 73 2015-10-12T09:58:44  <wumpus> sipa: good
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 79 2015-10-12T12:12:01  <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin-dot-org/bitcoin.org/pull/1086
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 90 2015-10-12T14:54:02  <GitHub1> [bitcoin] theuni closed pull request #6800: build: fix dmg-mount crashes on OSX 10.11 (0.11...dmg-crash-0.11) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6800
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 97 2015-10-12T15:25:29  <cfields> detached sigs for 0.11.1rc2 pushed
 98 2015-10-12T15:26:01  <cfields> wumpus: might help to have pushes to that repo announced on irc as well
 99 2015-10-12T15:26:33  <michagogo> cfields: how about .3?
100 2015-10-12T15:27:16  <cfields> michagogo: doing that next
101 2015-10-12T15:27:22  <michagogo> k
102 2015-10-12T15:27:30  <wumpus> cfields: yes, good idea
103 2015-10-12T15:27:38  <tripleslash> With regard to upnp vuln, its only an issue if you're on untrusted networks.  If your local network is only your devices, there's not an issue, correct?
104 2015-10-12T15:28:32  <wumpus> tripleslash: yes
105 2015-10-12T15:29:43  <wumpus> tripleslash: although an attacker only needs to run one process on one device on your local network, and it can crash all miniupnpc-using applications on that network
106 2015-10-12T15:30:27  <tripleslash> unless they've been patched
107 2015-10-12T15:31:11  <wumpus> right
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109 2015-10-12T15:37:24  <cfields> ah nice, the attach/detach changes were accepted into upstream osslsigncode
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118 2015-10-12T15:50:33  <jcorgan> cfields: can you elaborate on what is wrong with the zmq/windows static build issue?  not sure i can help much but would at least like to know how it is breaking.
119 2015-10-12T15:50:51  <michagogo> Turns out nobody's home atm, so I won't be signing now (and likely not tonight)
120 2015-10-12T15:51:09  <cfields> jcorgan: i haven't looked into it much. upstream specifically disables win32+static builds for some reason
121 2015-10-12T15:51:30  <cfields> s/specifically/explicitly/
122 2015-10-12T15:51:50  <jcorgan> ah, ok
123 2015-10-12T15:52:04  <jcorgan> that i might be able to dig into
124 2015-10-12T15:52:20  <cfields> jcorgan: when i first looked into it, i remember thinking "they might just disable since it's uncharted territory for them"
125 2015-10-12T15:52:25  <cfields> but nothing to substantiate that
126 2015-10-12T15:52:50  <jcorgan> i will have to set up the cross build environment again here
127 2015-10-12T15:53:16  <jcorgan> which you help me do once a long time and several workstations ago
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129 2015-10-12T15:54:10  <cfields> jcorgan: make -C depends host=x86_64-w64-mingw32
130 2015-10-12T15:54:22  <cfields> er, HOST=
131 2015-10-12T15:55:16  <jcorgan> thanks, i'll figure it out from there
132 2015-10-12T15:56:44  <cfields> jcorgan: you can just edit depends/packages/packages.mk and add the zmq package unconditionally, so it'll try to build for windows too
133 2015-10-12T15:57:04  <cfields> then depends should fail for you in the right place
134 2015-10-12T15:57:15  <jcorgan> got it
135 2015-10-12T15:57:52  <michagogo> jcorgan: there's a full minimal set of packages you need somewhere in my Reddit package history
136 2015-10-12T15:58:00  <michagogo> er, comment* history
137 2015-10-12T15:58:24  <jcorgan> i'll let you know what i come up with
138 2015-10-12T15:58:36  <jcorgan> well, might just put it in the issue
139 2015-10-12T15:59:52  <michagogo> Ah, turns out it's extremely minimal
140 2015-10-12T16:00:11  <michagogo> on a clean install of Ubuntu precise, sudo apt-get install git g++-mingw-w64 autoconf libtool
141 2015-10-12T16:00:32  <michagogo> Plus nsis if you want to make the installer
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143 2015-10-12T16:04:40  <jcorgan> thanks
144 2015-10-12T16:07:36  <cfields> osx 0.10.3rc2 sig: https://bitcoincore.org/cfields/bitcoin-0.10.3rc2/signature.tar.gz
145 2015-10-12T16:07:58  <cfields> michagogo/Luke-Jr: ^^
146 2015-10-12T16:08:08  <cfields> and wumpus ^^
147 2015-10-12T16:09:05  <michagogo> cfields: thanks. Not sure when I'll get around to it, since I won't be home until lateish tonight and the computer's off so I can't remote it, but at some point...
148 2015-10-12T16:09:22  <cfields> ok, thanks
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150 2015-10-12T16:11:24  <wumpus> 0.11.1rc2 executables live: https://bitcoin.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.11.1/test/
151 2015-10-12T16:29:08  <wumpus> 0.10.3rc2 executables live: https://bitcoin.org/bin/bitcoin-core-0.10.3/test/
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158 2015-10-12T16:54:48  <GitHub44> [bitcoin] jamesob closed pull request #6804: [tests] Add basic coverage reporting for RPC tests (master...rpc_coverage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6804
159 2015-10-12T16:54:50  <GitHub151> [bitcoin] jamesob reopened pull request #6804: [tests] Add basic coverage reporting for RPC tests (master...rpc_coverage) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6804
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169 2015-10-12T18:29:31  <michagogo> cfields: "fixup"?
170 2015-10-12T18:30:07  <cfields> michagogo: i borked the paths the first time
171 2015-10-12T18:30:42  <cfields> cfields/bitcoin-win-0.10-build.* -> cfields/bitcoin-win-0.11-build.*
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174 2015-10-12T18:46:44  <wumpus> ok, pushes to bitcoin-detached-sigs should now be reported here
175 2015-10-12T19:01:04  <btcdrak> heads up: meeting in #bitcoin-dev now about the mailing list
176 2015-10-12T19:02:21  <GitHub91> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.11: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/cf33f196e79b1e61d6266f8e5190a0c4bfae7224
177 2015-10-12T19:02:21  <GitHub91> bitcoin/0.11 cf33f19 Wladimir J. van der Laan: doc: Add Luke Dashjr to credits in release notes...
178 2015-10-12T19:02:51  <btcdrak> meeting needs to cover policy of bitcoin-dev@ and the new list
179 2015-10-12T19:07:46  <btcdrak> ping sipa: michagogo cfields gmaxwell jgarzik
180 2015-10-12T19:07:53  <btcdrak> BlueMatt
181 2015-10-12T19:08:50  <BlueMatt> hmm?
182 2015-10-12T19:09:09  <btcdrak> could you come to #bitcoin-dev for a few mins to discuss the mailing list policy?
183 2015-10-12T19:10:09  <michagogo> btcdrak: sorry, can't ATM
184 2015-10-12T19:10:32  <michagogo> Dividing myself already between family dinner and ##werewolf
185 2015-10-12T19:11:47  <Luke-Jr> lol
186 2015-10-12T19:11:52  <wumpus> hehe
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188 2015-10-12T19:29:43  <michagogo> (If anyone doesn't play ##werewolf -- try it!)
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190 2015-10-12T19:31:02  <Luke-Jr> michagogo: I prefer #yandere
191 2015-10-12T19:33:28  * btcdrak doesnt play games :/
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193 2015-10-12T19:35:08  <michagogo> Luke-Jr: I think I've tried a couple different ones
194 2015-10-12T19:35:35  <michagogo> ##werewolf is the biggest, which is an advantage
195 2015-10-12T19:35:53  <michagogo> Also it's actively developed by multiple people and is very featureful
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202 2015-10-12T20:51:51  <GitHub81> [bitcoin] jmcorgan opened pull request #6810: zmq: point API link to 4.0 as that is what we are conforming to (master...zmq-api-link) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6810
203 2015-10-12T20:52:22  <jcorgan> wumpus: that's a trivial change get a gpg signed commit into the repo
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205 2015-10-12T21:11:48  <warren> jcorgan: you could also add your key to https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/tree/master/contrib/gitian-downloader
206 2015-10-12T21:14:03  <jcorgan> hmm, ok
207 2015-10-12T21:19:17  <btcdrak> jcorgan: now you have to do gitian builds
208 2015-10-12T21:21:20  <jcorgan> #6811
209 2015-10-12T21:21:29  <GitHub86> [bitcoin] jmcorgan opened pull request #6811: Adds gpg key for jcorgan (671DA2F7) (master...add-gpg-key) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6811
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212 2015-10-12T21:28:35  <GitHub99> [bitcoin] TheBlueMatt opened pull request #6812: Update bluematt-key, the old one is long-since revoked (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6812
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214 2015-10-12T22:10:19  <GitHub171> [bitcoin] dexX7 opened pull request #6813: Support gathering code coverage data for RPC tests with lcov (master...btc-test-lcov-rpc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6813
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220 2015-10-12T23:54:28  <PRab> Where is "bitcoin-builder" supposed to get created when following the instructions at https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/release-process.md#optional-seed-the-gitian-sources-cache-and-offline-git-repositories
221 2015-10-12T23:55:11  <PRab> I followed each instruction (skipping) the mac stuff and got hung up there.
222 2015-10-12T23:55:30  <sipa> PRab: it's in the first step, you clone the repo :)
223 2015-10-12T23:55:42  <sipa> irst time only or for new builders, check out the source in the following directory hierarchy -> git clone https://github.com/devrandom/gitian-builder.git
224 2015-10-12T23:56:48  <PRab> Is it supposed to say gitian-builder?
225 2015-10-12T23:57:07  <PRab> I cloned gitian-builder, but never bitcoin-builder.
226 2015-10-12T23:57:14  <sipa> oh!
227 2015-10-12T23:57:22  <sipa> maybe
228 2015-10-12T23:58:10  <PRab> I'll assume thats the typo and go from there. If all goes well I'll submit a PR.
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