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  6 2015-12-03T01:33:50  <phantomcircuit> morcos, have you benchmarked the mempool indexing code with a really large mempool?
  7 2015-12-03T01:39:34  <phantomcircuit> nvm this issue is entirely unrelated to that
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 44 2015-12-03T09:47:00  <GitHub48> [bitcoin] jonasschnelli opened pull request #7159: [RPC] Add RBF opt-in possibilities to rawtx functions (master...2015/12/rpc_rbf) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7159
 45 2015-12-03T09:53:13  <GitHub138> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/aeedd8a53b2d...3cd836c1d855
 46 2015-12-03T09:53:14  <GitHub138> bitcoin/master fab8347 MarcoFalke: [qt] Use tr() instead of _()...
 47 2015-12-03T09:53:14  <GitHub138> bitcoin/master 3cd836c Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7158...
 48 2015-12-03T09:53:23  <GitHub45> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7158: [qt] Use tr() instead of _() (master...MarcoFalke-2015-translations) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7158
 49 2015-12-03T10:17:29  <wumpus> dcousens: because "As defined in W. Richard Stevens' 1990 book, Unix Network Programming (Addison-Wesley, 1990), a daemon is 'a process that executes 'in the background' (i.e., without an associated terminal or login shell)"
 50 2015-12-03T10:17:58  <wumpus> at best, stderr is connected to nowhere, at worst, it causes some other trouble...
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 52 2015-12-03T10:32:33  <dcousens> wumpus: assuming you run bitcoind in `-daemon` mode :P
 53 2015-12-03T10:32:49  <wumpus> obviously
 54 2015-12-03T10:33:06  <dcousens> perhaps `-printtoconsole` should override that behaviour, allowing stderr to be meaningful
 55 2015-12-03T10:33:26  <wumpus> (just want to put it in context besides bitcoin)
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 57 2015-12-03T10:44:10  <dcousens> haha, yeah, thanks for the ref :)
 58 2015-12-03T10:52:35  <wumpus> and sure - something could be said for an 'error log' in addition to the 'debug log' for serious issues, which in case of printtoconsole could go to stderr
 59 2015-12-03T10:54:31  <wumpus>  * [new branch]      0.12 -> 0.12
 60 2015-12-03T10:55:37  <MarcoFalke> :3
 61 2015-12-03T10:57:32  <sipa> wheeeeeee
 62 2015-12-03T11:02:47  <BlueMatt> !
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 65 2015-12-03T11:14:18  <GitHub145> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/c12ff995f7d70aafb12f34887fb64aa7482bbc85
 66 2015-12-03T11:14:19  <GitHub145> bitcoin/master c12ff99 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Now that 0.12 has been branched, master is 0.12.99...
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 69 2015-12-03T11:24:48  <GitHub32> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/29850008085811fc93b71b345fb2da4146d695e4
 70 2015-12-03T11:24:49  <GitHub32> bitcoin/0.12 2985000 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Bump version to 0.12.0...
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 74 2015-12-03T11:27:53  <gmaxwell> weee
 75 2015-12-03T11:34:00  <wumpus> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7062 is still open for 0.12 milestone, but we'll just backport that when merged
 76 2015-12-03T11:35:55  <MarcoFalke> What is https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/milestones/0.11.0
 77 2015-12-03T11:36:14  <sipa> MarcoFalke: things that ought to be backported to 0.11 if we do a new release in that branch
 78 2015-12-03T11:37:15  <wumpus> MarcoFalke: I was somewhat surprised too :)
 79 2015-12-03T11:37:29  <wumpus> but yes what sipa says makes sense
 80 2015-12-03T11:37:49  <sipa> hah, greg tagged it as 0.12 AND 0.11
 81 2015-12-03T11:37:58  <sipa> but it seems github only remembers one
 82 2015-12-03T11:37:59  <MarcoFalke> It was never done this way, but yeah.
 83 2015-12-03T11:38:22  <wumpus> right, as only one milestone is remembered, it's not terribly convenient for selection
 84 2015-12-03T11:38:42  <sipa> maybe we just need tags for milestones
 85 2015-12-03T11:39:02  <wumpus> not for milestones, but a tag 'needs backport' may be useful, dunno
 86 2015-12-03T11:39:09  <MarcoFalke> milestones are for future releases?
 87 2015-12-03T11:39:16  <MarcoFalke> yes, per wumpus
 88 2015-12-03T11:39:23  <MarcoFalke> "backport .11" tag
 89 2015-12-03T11:40:35  <wumpus> I'm not even sure it needs an explicit version in it, a general tag may be enough, then the issue itself could mention to what versions
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 94 2015-12-03T11:49:11  <gmaxwell> Damn, github seemed to show "added 12 and 11" in the log, so I assumed it actually did add it to both.
 95 2015-12-03T11:49:34  <GitHub142> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #6745: Net: Remove "Address refresh broadcast" logic. (master...addr_known_reset) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6745
 96 2015-12-03T11:52:00  <gmaxwell> What height are people at right now?
 97 2015-12-03T11:52:51  <sipa> 386520
 98 2015-12-03T11:52:52  <sipa> ;;height
 99 2015-12-03T11:52:53  <gribble> Error: "height" is not a valid command.
100 2015-12-03T11:52:55  <sipa> ;;blocks
101 2015-12-03T11:52:56  <gmaxwell> darn it, why is my laptop saying "0 blocks received in the last 4 hours" ? It's at 386520.
102 2015-12-03T11:52:56  <gribble> 386520
103 2015-12-03T11:52:58  <midnightmagic> 38652
104 2015-12-03T11:53:01  <midnightmagic> er +0
105 2015-12-03T11:53:18  <midnightmagic> ;;tblb
106 2015-12-03T11:53:18  <gribble> (tblb <interval>) -- Calculate the expected time between blocks which take at least <interval> seconds to create. To provide the <interval> argument, a nested 'seconds' command may be helpful.
107 2015-12-03T11:53:23  <midnightmagic> ;;tslb
108 2015-12-03T11:53:26  <gribble> Time since last block: 13 minutes and 38 seconds
109 2015-12-03T11:53:26  <gmaxwell> sipa: that gribble command just queries bc.i ... perhaps we should cluestick nanotube about the rest interface in bitcond. :)
110 2015-12-03T11:53:44  <sipa> gmaxwell: i know, but more information is useful
111 2015-12-03T11:54:25  <gmaxwell> I think what might happen is that while the laptop is in my bag and offline the warning triggers and it doesn't go away when back online.
112 2015-12-03T11:55:52  <btcdrak> oh look, we branched :)
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114 2015-12-03T12:17:13  <GitHub182> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 7 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/c12ff995f7d7...884367662155
115 2015-12-03T12:17:14  <GitHub182> bitcoin/master ec73ef3 Gregory Maxwell: Replace setInventoryKnown with a rolling bloom filter....
116 2015-12-03T12:17:15  <GitHub182> bitcoin/master e206724 Gregory Maxwell: Remove mruset as it is no longer used.
117 2015-12-03T12:17:15  <GitHub182> bitcoin/master 6b84935 Patick Strateman: Rename setInventoryKnown filterInventoryKnown
118 2015-12-03T12:17:16  <GitHub120> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7133: Replace setInventoryKnown with a rolling bloom filter (rebase of #7100) (master...known_bloom) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7133
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121 2015-12-03T12:37:09  <GitHub84> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/884367662155...54a550bef8a8
122 2015-12-03T12:37:10  <GitHub84> bitcoin/master 086ee67 Pieter Wuille: Switch to a more efficient rolling Bloom filter...
123 2015-12-03T12:37:11  <GitHub84> bitcoin/master 54a550b Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7113...
124 2015-12-03T12:37:14  <GitHub22> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7113: Switch to a more efficient rolling Bloom filter (master...betterrolling) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7113
125 2015-12-03T12:37:20  <GitHub154> [bitcoin] laanwj reopened pull request #6745: Net: Remove "Address refresh broadcast" logic. (master...addr_known_reset) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6745
126 2015-12-03T12:53:53  <sipa> wumpus: i'll review more PRs (merged and unmerged ones) for 0.12, but first HK
127 2015-12-03T12:54:09  <GitHub52> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/54a550bef8a8...5548d9cb11c8
128 2015-12-03T12:54:10  <GitHub52> bitcoin/master b440409 Matt Bogosian: Add missing automake package to deb-based UNIX install instructions.
129 2015-12-03T12:54:10  <GitHub52> bitcoin/master 5548d9c Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7152...
130 2015-12-03T12:54:14  <GitHub183> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7152: Add missing automake package to deb-based UNIX install instructions. (master...posita/fix-doc-build-unix) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7152
131 2015-12-03T12:55:52  <wumpus> sipa: sure!
132 2015-12-03T12:58:15  <GitHub168> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/cfb44ce97a939cb9b6db96f4b273c2a618e11d88
133 2015-12-03T12:58:15  <GitHub168> bitcoin/0.12 cfb44ce Matt Bogosian: Add missing automake package to deb-based UNIX install instructions....
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135 2015-12-03T13:34:58  <jtimon> so when is 0.12 going to branch?
136 2015-12-03T13:35:29  <jtimon> wasn't it supposed to be dec 1st?
137 2015-12-03T13:35:35  <MarcoFalke> It already did?
138 2015-12-03T13:35:58  <jtimon> MarcoFalke: oh, I missed that, thanks
139 2015-12-03T13:37:00  <MarcoFalke> jtimon maybe you can create a separate PR for the first 3 commits of https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6625/commits
140 2015-12-03T13:37:51  <MarcoFalke> So they don't go through the rebase every time.
141 2015-12-03T13:38:33  <jtimon> now I can start working on top of 3cd836c1, great!
142 2015-12-03T13:40:39  <jtimon> MarcoFalke: yeah I suggested it https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6625#issuecomment-157403741 but sipa said that wasn't necessary. As said here https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6625#issuecomment-161610648 is what I'm going to do the next time that the last commit causes conflicts
143 2015-12-03T13:41:20  <jtimon> btcdrak: said it was fine for 0.12 too, but that didn't ended up being the case
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145 2015-12-03T14:10:13  <GitHub156> [bitcoin] ptschip opened pull request #7164: Do not download transactions during initial blockchain sync (master...tx_getdata) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7164
146 2015-12-03T14:18:00  <GitHub142> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #7165: WIP: build: Enable C++11 in build, require C++11 compiler (master...2015_12_c++11) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7165
147 2015-12-03T14:21:45  <gmaxwell> \O/
148 2015-12-03T14:22:23  <sipa> and the crowd goes wild
149 2015-12-03T14:22:54  <wumpus> hah!
150 2015-12-03T14:23:51  <sipa> test/scheduler_tests.cpp:31:13: warning: ‘void scheduler_tests::MicroSleep(uint64_t)’ defined but not used [-Wunused-function] static void MicroSleep(uint64_t n)
151 2015-12-03T14:24:17  <wumpus> sipa: yeah that function is not used pending fixing of the scheduler tests, harmles
152 2015-12-03T14:24:32  <sipa> i'm aware, just wasn't sure whether we were aware of the warning :)
153 2015-12-03T14:24:41  <wumpus> I was aware
154 2015-12-03T14:24:59  <wumpus> scheduler stuff really needs to be fixed, I just have no time for that right now
155 2015-12-03T14:25:05  <sipa> understood
156 2015-12-03T14:25:28  <wumpus> (this is better than having travis hang 4% of the time)
157 2015-12-03T14:31:24  <gmaxwell> :-/
158 2015-12-03T14:36:49  <wumpus> not sure even if it's a bug in the test or the implementation. Though I'm not aware of any issues with it that don't concern the test, although in practice we only use it single-threaded so whatever trips up the test is likely not an issue in practical use...
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160 2015-12-03T14:37:48  <wumpus> if the intent is to only ever use it single-threadedly, both the implementation and the test could be simplified a lot
161 2015-12-03T14:38:52  <wumpus> (although it is always difficult to test something inherently time-based)
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164 2015-12-03T15:25:20  <jl2012> Why Antpool is not upgrading to BIP65? It is the last major pool to upgrade
165 2015-12-03T15:25:59  <jl2012> sorry wrong group
166 2015-12-03T15:27:41  <cfields> oh, i hadn't seen the 0.12 branch yet. woohoo :)
167 2015-12-03T15:31:08  <cfields> sipa: i have a few questions about addrman when you have a min
168 2015-12-03T15:33:05  <cfields> sipa: for one, i'm not understanding the timing used for Connected()
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170 2015-12-03T15:34:31  <jtimon> btcdrak: could you make me a branch with bip68 and bip112  on top of 3cd836c1 ?
171 2015-12-03T15:35:04  <cfields> (specifically, why it's called when a node is deleted). Is that meant to mean "this is the last time i saw that i was connected to this node" ?
172 2015-12-03T15:35:12  <jtimon> no hurry though, I can do it myself if you don't have time as well
173 2015-12-03T15:36:18  <sipa> cfields: yup
174 2015-12-03T15:36:45  <sipa> that's why it's done then, to not leak information beforehand about being connected to that node
175 2015-12-03T15:36:45  <jtimon> would be nicer to wait for them to get merged before backporting the commits, but I'm not sure I can wait that long...
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177 2015-12-03T15:37:51  <cfields> sipa: ok. So is it reasonable to call that any time is a node is disconnected, whether done via forced disconnect/ban, shutdown, timeout, etc?
178 2015-12-03T15:38:56  <cfields> i assume yes?
179 2015-12-03T15:41:23  <sipa> yes
180 2015-12-03T15:41:50  <sipa> i guess it would be even better to pass along the timestamp, and send it the lastreceived timestamp of CNode
181 2015-12-03T15:42:25  <cfields> yes, that's what i was planning to change it to
182 2015-12-03T15:43:35  <cfields> well, i was intending to use the disconnect time itself. lastreceived makes more sense i guess
183 2015-12-03T15:44:26  <sipa> don't think it matters much
184 2015-12-03T15:44:31  <cfields> max(lastsent,lastreceived) maybe?
185 2015-12-03T15:44:33  <cfields> ok
186 2015-12-03T15:44:52  <cfields> lastly, mind commenting on https://github.com/theuni/bitcoin/commit/792b0f5da618ea51ecd7b21db633faa6743c1e68 ?
187 2015-12-03T15:46:33  <sipa> lastsent doesn't mean much, we want to know when we last saw the node
188 2015-12-03T15:47:01  <sipa> will look, but not now
189 2015-12-03T15:47:14  <cfields> the range/mask is up for bikeshed, i'm just interested in your general opinion
190 2015-12-03T15:47:16  <cfields> np, thanks
191 2015-12-03T15:49:50  <cfields> gmaxwell: would be great to get your thoughts on that as well since it was your idea :)
192 2015-12-03T15:50:23  <jtimon> cfields: any further thoughts on #7091 ?
193 2015-12-03T15:51:00  <cfields> jtimon: i haven't been keeping up with those. looking now.
194 2015-12-03T15:51:30  <jtimon> cfields: thanks!
195 2015-12-03T15:54:16  <cfields> jtimon: i really don't care for the idea of building everything twice when a helper lib can be used to avoid that. Also, as-is, that seems like a slipperly slope as everything that's lib-friendly is likely to start ending up in that last.
196 2015-12-03T15:54:58  <jtimon> no, only whatever is required to expose verifyblock in libconsensus should end up there
197 2015-12-03T15:55:23  <jtimon> but things are being built twice for libconsensus already, that doesn't change
198 2015-12-03T15:56:38  <jtimon> main, chain and coins should never end up there, even if they end up being lib-friendly
199 2015-12-03T15:56:52  <cfields> jtimon: understood. but if you're creating a helper lib, may as well use it
200 2015-12-03T15:57:11  <jtimon> I don't undesrtand the point about the helper lib
201 2015-12-03T15:57:23  <jtimon> why is it a "helper" lib?
202 2015-12-03T15:57:51  <jtimon> and how is the consensus package not being used?
203 2015-12-03T15:58:19  <cfields> by "helper" i mean a private lib that's only used for linking into public binaries
204 2015-12-03T15:58:46  <cfields> jtimon: i gave a patch a few days ago that shows how to link the helper directly into libconsensus.so rather than building twice
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206 2015-12-03T16:00:22  <jtimon> oh, yes, I focused on your nits (and finding out that for some reason the packages have to be build in backards order [linking order]), but I forgot about cherry picking from your branch
207 2015-12-03T16:00:46  <jtimon> I'll look into that
208 2015-12-03T16:01:38  <jtimon> btw, you never answer that question, why autotools wants the packages to be build in the same order that is needed for linking (the opposite of what I was trying to achieve)
209 2015-12-03T16:01:49  <jtimon> ?
210 2015-12-03T16:02:38  <cfields> jtimon: i responded on github
211 2015-12-03T16:02:42  <jtimon> cfields: but to be clear, your improvement is kind of orthogonal to mine, isn't it?
212 2015-12-03T16:03:11  <cfields> jtimon: no, the helper lib needs to be created one way or the other
213 2015-12-03T16:03:38  <jtimon> I had further questions: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7091#issuecomment-160295304
214 2015-12-03T16:04:22  <jtimon> cfields: but that can be done after 7091, no?
215 2015-12-03T16:04:44  <cfields> jtimon: no, the lib syntax and usage is different
216 2015-12-03T16:04:57  <jtimon> oh, I didn't knew that
217 2015-12-03T16:05:30  <cfields> one is an automake lib, the other is a libtool lib
218 2015-12-03T16:05:33  <jtimon> I guess I'll have to close #7091 and start over
219 2015-12-03T16:05:54  <cfields> jtimon: you'll be in HK?
220 2015-12-03T16:06:00  <jtimon> yes
221 2015-12-03T16:06:13  <cfields> maybe we can hack on it a bit there?
222 2015-12-03T16:06:27  <jtimon> yeah, it would be nice to do this in front of you (or you do it in front of me)
223 2015-12-03T16:07:07  <cfields> yea, realtime would be much easier i think
224 2015-12-03T16:07:30  <jtimon> does that sound good to you, peer programming this? I think it will be very fast that way
225 2015-12-03T16:07:51  <cfields> you're staying for the dev meetup on the 8th/9th?
226 2015-12-03T16:07:51  <jtimon> great, closing 7091 then
227 2015-12-03T16:07:56  <jtimon> yes
228 2015-12-03T16:08:05  <sipa> jtimon: don't close things too eagerly :)
229 2015-12-03T16:08:24  <cfields> great! yea, let's plan some time then
230 2015-12-03T16:10:07  <cfields> sipa: heh, he's not shy about re-opening :)
231 2015-12-03T16:10:29  <sipa> i know
232 2015-12-03T16:10:32  <GitHub19> [bitcoin] jtimon closed pull request #7091: Consensus build package (master...consensus-build) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7091
233 2015-12-03T16:12:38  <jtimon> well I have been told to create a new one instead, but since "the lib syntax and usage is different" is going to be quite different anyway, who knows, maybe we do it in cfields' computer
234 2015-12-03T16:12:54  <sipa> ok!
235 2015-12-03T16:13:35  <jtimon> there's no point in have to rebase if say you do something nice like moving merkle to the consensus folder or something
236 2015-12-03T16:13:50  <cfields> jtimon: sipa has a point though. by all means if you think you're right, fight me on it :)
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238 2015-12-03T16:16:09  <jtimon> cfields: but I agree with building the objects only once, I'm just not sure how much of 7091 as is, is incompatible with what you want to do, if you prefer to tell me that in person next week
239 2015-12-03T16:17:06  <jtimon> and I don't close it because you have objections to it, just because I'm not going to rebase it as is if it's incompatible with building only once, which I also want for bitcoin jt
240 2015-12-03T16:18:05  <jtimon> the code is in jtimon/libconsensus-f2 (pre-bitcoin-jt) anyway
241 2015-12-03T16:19:21  <cfields> ok
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267 2015-12-03T20:17:16  <GitHub29> [bitcoin] gmaxwell opened pull request #7166: Disconnect on mempool requests from peers when over the upload limit. (master...mempool_p2p_when_overlimit) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7166
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280 2015-12-03T21:40:12  <jgarzik> Wizards,
281 2015-12-03T21:40:35  <jgarzik> Has anybody written up designs for a "wallet" does not have complete control over the keys?
282 2015-12-03T21:40:44  <jgarzik> A bank that cannot steal from you :)
283 2015-12-03T21:41:00  <jgarzik> er, oops, wrong channel
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