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 672016-01-09T08:52:41  <arubi> oh, right ^
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 982016-01-09T15:30:35  <GitHub197> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/9de541a9c95a...93ca5a35b045
 992016-01-09T15:30:36  <GitHub197> bitcoin/master 82a0ce0 Suhas Daftuar: Add race-condition debugging tool to mininode
1002016-01-09T15:30:37  <GitHub197> bitcoin/master 168915e Suhas Daftuar: Eliminate race condition in sendheaders.py test...
1012016-01-09T15:30:37  <GitHub197> bitcoin/master 93ca5a3 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7308...
1022016-01-09T15:30:46  <GitHub163> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7308: [Tests] Eliminate intermittent failures in sendheaders.py (master...fix-sendheaders) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7308
1032016-01-09T15:32:29  <GitHub56> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/d513405cb71425dd615e88aca4f6222e08d150a5
1042016-01-09T15:32:30  <GitHub56> bitcoin/0.12 d513405 Suhas Daftuar: [Tests] Eliminate intermittent failures in sendheaders.py...
1052016-01-09T15:34:15  <GitHub3> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to 0.11: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5f09cda0bf4c...00aefccb126f
1062016-01-09T15:34:15  <GitHub91> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7259: [0.11] dbwrapper: Detect obfuscation (0.11...MarcoFalke-2015-dbWrapperObfuscation-0.11) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7259
1072016-01-09T15:34:16  <GitHub3> bitcoin/0.11 fa24941 MarcoFalke: [dbwrapper] Detect obfuscation
1082016-01-09T15:34:16  <GitHub3> bitcoin/0.11 fa3cb49 MarcoFalke: [init] Fix typo
1092016-01-09T15:34:17  <GitHub3> bitcoin/0.11 00aefcc Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7259...
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1122016-01-09T15:46:02  <MarcoFalke> Luke-Jr, even though a merge commit (or rebase) may appear trivial, I don't think we should put the burden on laanwj to go through that. (Not to mention it is hard to verify if any conflicts were solved during the final merge into bitcoin/bitcoin)
1132016-01-09T15:47:18  <wumpus> right - I don't do non-trivial merge commits
1142016-01-09T15:47:40  <wumpus> (except in some rare cases, but in general you should keep your own work up to date)
1152016-01-09T15:50:35  <MarcoFalke> wumpus,
1162016-01-09T15:50:35  <MarcoFalke> keypoolrefill is quite expensive, so I think a sleep(1) is enough. Let's make it 1.1 to get another 10 % overhead?
1172016-01-09T15:54:42  <wumpus> sure
1182016-01-09T15:56:20  <wumpus> I just don't want to introduce false positives. I've had some bad experiences at a previous employer where a bit of extra load on the test bench caused the test results to light up like a christmas tree, because of tightly timed tests, sending people to chase after nothing every time
1192016-01-09T15:58:02  <wumpus> using mock time would be ideal, but libevent will ignore that anyway it's a non-starter :)
1202016-01-09T15:58:59  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: that's not what I said. :p  *when* someone is ready to merge, they just need to ping me and I will do the merge
1212016-01-09T16:11:05  <wumpus> Luke-Jr: can you do your thing for #7081 then?
1222016-01-09T16:12:18  <Luke-Jr> yep, sec
1232016-01-09T16:18:26  * Luke-Jr peers at github
1242016-01-09T16:19:55  <Luke-Jr> wumpus: ok done
1252016-01-09T16:22:29  <Luke-Jr> wumpus: shall I resubmit for 0.12 also?
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1302016-01-09T16:45:14  <MarcoFalke> Luke-Jr, why twice?
1312016-01-09T16:45:24  <MarcoFalke> Couldn't you just merge 901b01d674031f9aca717deeb372bafa160a24af?
1322016-01-09T16:45:36  <MarcoFalke> It should slide into master and 0.12, regardless
1332016-01-09T16:45:48  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: O.o?
1342016-01-09T16:47:06  <Luke-Jr> wrong commithash?
1352016-01-09T16:47:59  <MarcoFalke> did you copy the `?`
1362016-01-09T16:49:51  <Luke-Jr> no
1372016-01-09T16:53:58  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: got it thx
1382016-01-09T17:00:35  <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I think so - with a merge commiit in it it's harder to rebase/cherry-pick
1392016-01-09T17:01:54  <GitHub123> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/93ca5a35b045...dd1304ec216c
1402016-01-09T17:01:55  <GitHub123> bitcoin/master 45b8e27 Luke Dashjr: -bytespersigop option to additionally limit sigops in transactions we relay and mine
1412016-01-09T17:01:56  <GitHub123> bitcoin/master fdc202f Luke Dashjr: Merge branch bytespersigop
1422016-01-09T17:01:56  <GitHub123> bitcoin/master dd1304e Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7081...
1432016-01-09T17:01:58  <GitHub185> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7081: -bytespersigop option to additionally limit sigops in transactions we relay and mine (master...bytespersigop) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7081
1442016-01-09T17:03:54  <Luke-Jr> wumpus: k, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7323
1452016-01-09T17:03:55  <GitHub115> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #7323: 0.12: Backport -bytespersigop option (0.12...bytespersigop-0.12.x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7323
1462016-01-09T17:04:53  <wumpus> I tried to merge fdc202f into 0.12 but that gets a merge conflict in main.cpp
1472016-01-09T17:05:04  <wumpus> ok
1482016-01-09T17:05:09  <Luke-Jr> yeah, looks like 0.12 picked up the conflicting change as a cherry-pick or something
1492016-01-09T17:05:42  <Luke-Jr> btw, ACK/NACK on importing 0.11's test_framework to 0.10 so we can run newer tests against it?
1502016-01-09T17:05:56  <btcdrak> luke-jr, wumpus: another difficulty with merging topic branches back into master. Topic branches are just better rebased: it's less hassle all round
1512016-01-09T17:06:13  <wumpus> Luke-Jr: I don't care about 0.10 anymore
1522016-01-09T17:06:17  <Luke-Jr> btcdrak: disagree; see the links :p
1532016-01-09T17:06:31  <wumpus> Luke-Jr: but fine with me, if you want to put the effort in
1542016-01-09T17:06:34  <Luke-Jr> wumpus: ok, so I'll just maintain it myself going forward?
1552016-01-09T17:07:13  <Luke-Jr> should I move the branch to another repo like I used to, continue to go through PRs, or would it make sense to give me push access just for that branch (not sure if GitHub can enforce)?
1562016-01-09T17:07:15  <sipa> wumpus: i think that should be announced then
1572016-01-09T17:07:49  <Luke-Jr> sipa: well, I'll continue to be maintaining it for now either way
1582016-01-09T17:07:51  <wumpus> sipa: well if Luke-Jr wants to pick it up that's great
1592016-01-09T17:08:30  <sipa> wumpus: i do think we need some clearly visible policy about which versions the bitcoin core project maintains and will issue bug fix releases for
1602016-01-09T17:08:39  <wumpus> I just don't have the time to maintain lots of back versions
1612016-01-09T17:08:43  <sipa> whether that's decided on an ad-hoc basis
1622016-01-09T17:08:46  <wumpus> but if someone else wants to do that that's great
1632016-01-09T17:09:08  <wumpus> well in the case of a critical problem I'm sure we can roll a 0.10 release
1642016-01-09T17:09:22  <Luke-Jr> sipa: can go on a website somewhere maybe? a table with supported/unsupported versions?
1652016-01-09T17:09:27  <sipa> wumpus: don't get me wrong, i completely agree with not backporting in perpetuity, but i think it is not obvious to the world
1662016-01-09T17:10:01  <wumpus> but the focus has always been last release + the previous major release, so right now that'ts 0.12 and 0.11
1672016-01-09T17:10:05  <wumpus> (well, almost)
1682016-01-09T17:11:06  <wumpus> except in the case of critical security issues
1692016-01-09T17:11:08  <sipa> ok, what about "After 0.X's branching, 0.X-1 will receive all bug fixes, and 0.X-2 only critical bug fixes"
1702016-01-09T17:11:14  <wumpus> makes sense to me
1712016-01-09T17:11:25  <wumpus> except if someone wants to put more work into it like Luke-Jr
1722016-01-09T17:11:39  <wumpus> but that's all I'm willing to do, yes
1732016-01-09T17:12:09  <Luke-Jr> makes sense to phrase what sipa said as a "commitment"
1742016-01-09T17:12:17  <Luke-Jr> anything beyond that is not guaranteed
1752016-01-09T17:12:17  <sipa> well it's not just about you, but about we as a team commit to doing :)
1762016-01-09T17:12:24  <cfields> wumpus: just heard back from Travis. They'll be enabling caching for their new infrastructure later this month. That gets us Trusty, docker, and caching.
1772016-01-09T17:12:41  <sipa> cfields: nice
1782016-01-09T17:12:47  <wumpus> sipa: I know, but I can only speak for myself
1792016-01-09T17:12:48  <Luke-Jr> cfields: that requires us to switch to the container-based stuff though, right?
1802016-01-09T17:13:04  <wumpus> cfields: nice!
1812016-01-09T17:13:08  <cfields> Luke-Jr: nope, sudo enabled too. So our current config should just work (tm)
1822016-01-09T17:13:22  <Luke-Jr> sipa: one thing missing in that is with regard to softforks/hardforks
1832016-01-09T17:13:28  <Luke-Jr> cfields: oh, nice
1842016-01-09T17:13:32  <cfields> so, I think it makes sense to hold out for that, rather than hacking around too much for now
1852016-01-09T17:13:47  <sipa> Luke-Jr: well there is a statement around that now on the website
1862016-01-09T17:13:55  <wumpus> cfields: sure
1872016-01-09T17:14:01  <sipa> Luke-Jr: but it's not clearly tied to releases
1882016-01-09T17:14:14  <wumpus> cfields: good to hear it's 'later this month'
1892016-01-09T17:14:32  <wumpus> cfields: makes no sense to hurry more than that
1902016-01-09T17:14:32  <Luke-Jr> sipa: once 0.12 is released, even 0.11.x won't likely get sufficient testing, so maybe it's better not to tie it to releases
1912016-01-09T17:15:25  <Luke-Jr> vague commitment + current status of each branch, seems perhaps ideal?
1922016-01-09T17:16:05  <MarcoFalke> You mean as a table on the website?
1932016-01-09T17:16:12  <Luke-Jr> right
1942016-01-09T17:16:14  <MarcoFalke> makes sense
1952016-01-09T17:16:29  <wumpus> yes makes sense
1962016-01-09T17:17:33  <GitHub143> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/d513405cb714...a344880e6ae3
1972016-01-09T17:17:34  <GitHub143> bitcoin/0.12 5b144b7 Luke Dashjr: Merge branch bytespersigop
1982016-01-09T17:17:34  <GitHub143> bitcoin/0.12 a344880 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge pull request #7323...
1992016-01-09T17:17:36  <GitHub48> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7323: 0.12: Backport -bytespersigop option (0.12...bytespersigop-0.12.x) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7323
2002016-01-09T17:17:39  <btcdrak> sipa: wumpus: we should have a maintenance cycle listed somewhere then people know when EOL comes.
2012016-01-09T17:21:06  <MarcoFalke> And hardcode the EOL into the software?
2022016-01-09T17:21:43  <MarcoFalke> So a notification could pop up
2032016-01-09T17:25:57  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: well, EOLing a specific release vs branch is another thing
2042016-01-09T17:26:31  <Luke-Jr> an automatic internal alert might not be a bad idea, but we need to be careful not to *force* upgrades too
2052016-01-09T17:26:48  <Luke-Jr> and ideally, it'd be best if people didn't all upgrade at the same time
2062016-01-09T17:27:27  <Luke-Jr> specific releases tend to be EOL'd unpredictably anyway
2072016-01-09T17:27:40  <Luke-Jr> ie, "when there is a notable thing to fix"
2082016-01-09T17:28:08  <wumpus> hardcoding it into the software that goes too far IMO
2092016-01-09T17:28:15  <wumpus> people are free to upgrade or not upgrade
2102016-01-09T17:28:47  <MarcoFalke> They may not be aware their sofware is outdated?
2112016-01-09T17:28:55  <wumpus> but having EOL status on the website is a great idea
2122016-01-09T17:29:22  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: then they can check..
2132016-01-09T17:29:44  <Luke-Jr> MarcoFalke: their software won't know it's outdated either
2142016-01-09T17:30:42  <Luke-Jr> still, it might be good to put a time limit for "hardfork required by now" stuff .. like 2036 :p
2152016-01-09T17:37:12  <Luke-Jr> someone with push access want to: git tag branch-0.12 3cd836c1d855b92e7c73ab31979f471c4f8dad68 # ? :P
2162016-01-09T17:41:32  <GitHub10> [bitcoin] luke-jr opened pull request #7324: doc/bips: Document BIP 125 support (master...bips_rbf) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7324
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2192016-01-09T18:24:30  <afk11> Anyone running segnet that I can connect up to? and a pool/faucet?
2202016-01-09T18:29:56  <sipa> afk11: we're going to reset the chain soon (1-2 days, i expect), and then invite more people to connect
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2252016-01-09T18:43:32  <moli> sipa: hi, can segwit be tested in windows?
2262016-01-09T18:48:46  <sipa> moli: i guess we can do test builds for windows
2272016-01-09T18:49:20  <moli> sipa: that would be great, thank you
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