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 25 2016-02-01T02:21:23  <gmaxwell> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1347997.0
 26 2016-02-01T02:21:40  <gmaxwell> "hint : create manually "banlist.dat" in "blockchain" folder if bitcoin-qt.exe crash after the check of the local blockchain."  <- cargo cult fixes due to spurrious log entries that we've never fixed?
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 28 2016-02-01T02:34:00  <phantomcircuit> ha
 29 2016-02-01T02:34:45  <phantomcircuit> gmaxwell, the failure rate is going to skyrocket as the utxo db grows and cpu load increases
 30 2016-02-01T02:34:56  <phantomcircuit> we're already shaking loose unstable hardware all over the place
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 91 2016-02-01T08:59:03  <GitHub71> [bitcoin] gladoscc opened pull request #7451: Add link to bitcoin whitepaper (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7451
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 93 2016-02-01T09:07:08  <GitHub62> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7445: rename COPYING to LICENSE (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7445
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 98 2016-02-01T09:22:18  <GitHub46> bitcoin/master 93fc58c Jorge Timón: Consensus: Remove calls to error() and FormatStateMessage() from some consensus code in main
 99 2016-02-01T09:22:19  <GitHub46> bitcoin/master 31ec14b Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7287: Consensus: Remove calls to error() and FormatStateMessage()...
100 2016-02-01T09:22:23  <GitHub158> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7287: Consensus: Remove calls to error() and FormatStateMessage() (master...consensus-decouple-util-0.13.99) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7287
101 2016-02-01T09:35:47  <wumpus> Rebroad: what compile error do you get?
102 2016-02-01T09:39:48  <wumpus> gmaxwell: right, a missing banlist.dat should be harmless. The only non-condiational log message I can find relating to it is "Invalid or missing banlist.dat; recreating\n", which is given when it doesn't exist yet and is being created
103 2016-02-01T09:40:09  <wumpus> the other banlist.dat related messages all go to category net
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105 2016-02-01T09:44:33  <gmaxwell> Did we fix it so that it actually got created.
106 2016-02-01T09:47:06  <GitHub83> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/cb83beb3759b...e2d9a5858807
107 2016-02-01T09:47:06  <GitHub51> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7438: Do not absolutely protect local peers; decide group ties based on time. (0.12...dont_protect_local) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7438
108 2016-02-01T09:47:07  <GitHub83> bitcoin/0.12 46dbcd4 Gregory Maxwell: Do not absolutely protect local peers from eviction....
109 2016-02-01T09:47:07  <GitHub83> bitcoin/0.12 8e09f91 Gregory Maxwell: Decide eviction group ties based on time....
110 2016-02-01T09:47:08  <GitHub83> bitcoin/0.12 e2d9a58 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7438: Do not absolutely protect local peers; decide group ties based on time....
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113 2016-02-01T09:48:15  <wumpus> well my nodes have a banlist.dat and I haven't created it manually so I guess so
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115 2016-02-01T09:51:56  <wumpus> oh not all of them, I guess only the ones that have banlists
116 2016-02-01T09:52:31  <wumpus> strange. you knew this was a problem? why isn't there an issue open for it
117 2016-02-01T09:53:11  <wumpus> 2016-01-13 09:35:05 ERROR: Read: Failed to open file /home/orion/.bitcoin/banlist.dat / 2016-01-13 09:35:05 Invalid or missing banlist.dat; recreating
118 2016-02-01T09:53:13  <wumpus> appears every time
119 2016-02-01T09:53:14  <gmaxwell> I thought there was. Sorry, so many things going on.
120 2016-02-01T09:53:44  <wumpus> no problem, it's hardly critical, but especialy minor things like this should have an issue so that they don't get lost. I'll open one, np
121 2016-02-01T09:53:55  <gmaxwell> I'm sure its some trivial fix; I'm not prone to whine about things that I think I ought to just go fix.
122 2016-02-01T09:54:18  <gmaxwell> I think I whined to pieter about it in person and he already knew about it; or something like that.
123 2016-02-01T09:54:40  <gmaxwell> I'm sorry. I'm not operating very effectively these days.
124 2016-02-01T09:56:07  <wumpus> no need to fix it yourself, these are the right kind of issues for someone just getting into the code
125 2016-02-01T09:56:46  <gmaxwell> point.
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137 2016-02-01T11:06:00  <wumpus> I want to wrap up rc3 soon; any opinions on https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7431 / Rename permitrbf to replacebyfee and provide minimal string-list forward compatibility  ?
138 2016-02-01T11:10:24  <gmaxwell> I don't have any objection there. I do think replacebyfee= is better named. Though if it's pluggable policy for luke I wonder why he didn't call it -mempoolreplace
139 2016-02-01T11:11:56  <wumpus> good point
140 2016-02-01T11:12:16  <wumpus> if it's general, why stick to replacing by fee
141 2016-02-01T11:13:13  <gmaxwell> I want replace by moon.. uses a lunar calandar to select transactions.
142 2016-02-01T11:14:31  <wumpus> to at least make centuries of superstition about lunar phases concrete
143 2016-02-01T11:28:46  <petertodd> wumpus: I have no opinion on the names
144 2016-02-01T11:29:19  <petertodd> wumpus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ
145 2016-02-01T11:29:31  <wumpus> petertodd: me neither, but if we're going to change it then it helps if people actually agree on it, so we don't get yet another pull request changing it to yet something else
146 2016-02-01T11:29:59  <petertodd> wumpus: fine then, -replacebyfee or I kill you all with fire
147 2016-02-01T11:30:08  <wumpus> lol
148 2016-02-01T11:30:30  <petertodd> wumpus: -permitrbf is the type of name only bad people, incapable of love, would come up with
149 2016-02-01T11:30:34  <gmaxwell> fee is just an acronym.  Function Evaluating Everything.
150 2016-02-01T11:32:38  <wumpus> -replacebyfreedom
151 2016-02-01T11:33:02  <gmaxwell> petertodd: ^ you're an idiot for not calling it that to begin with.
152 2016-02-01T11:33:09  <gmaxwell> or replacementfreedom
153 2016-02-01T11:33:44  <petertodd> gmaxwell: hey, not too late to release my own Bitcoin Freedom Edition fork
154 2016-02-01T11:34:40  <petertodd> or Bitcoin Objectivism... free in every box of Ayn Bran!
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162 2016-02-01T12:21:55  <gmaxwell> wumpus: is there anything else needed for the next RC?
163 2016-02-01T12:22:48  <MarcoFalke> I think travis is failing due to missing doc
164 2016-02-01T12:22:55  <MarcoFalke> one sec...
165 2016-02-01T12:23:20  <wumpus> MarcoFalke: strange, I can't fin this in the output at least
166 2016-02-01T12:23:55  <MarcoFalke> gmaxwell, I assume you need to add the arg to the blacklist in check-doc.py as well
167 2016-02-01T12:24:20  <gmaxwell> oh interesting.
168 2016-02-01T12:24:57  <MarcoFalke> I am using regex to collect all args, so there are some false positives
169 2016-02-01T12:25:01  <wumpus> I think we should revert the argument checking for now - it's not apparent in the travis output at all
170 2016-02-01T12:25:26  <MarcoFalke> The command "if [ "$RUN_TESTS" = "true" ]; then contrib/devtools/check-doc.py; fi" exited with 1.
171 2016-02-01T12:25:31  <gmaxwell> I can try just pushing the check-doc update that suggested.
172 2016-02-01T12:25:33  <MarcoFalke> wumpus, ^
173 2016-02-01T12:25:36  <wumpus> this will confuse lots of people
174 2016-02-01T12:25:57  <gmaxwell> I do as you command. Just tell me what to do.
175 2016-02-01T12:25:59  <wumpus> gmaxwell: sure, but this is just not clear, we don't want tests where people have to guess what they have to change
176 2016-02-01T12:26:21  <gmaxwell> oh you mean the test.
177 2016-02-01T12:27:38  <MarcoFalke> gmaxwell, vim  contrib/devtools/check-doc.py , Then add it in the line where 'benchmark' is.
178 2016-02-01T12:27:52  <wumpus> MarcoFalke: it needs a more clear message
179 2016-02-01T12:28:08  <wumpus> people don't expect the tests to fail because of this
180 2016-02-01T12:28:14  <wumpus> certainly not on all platforms
181 2016-02-01T12:29:08  <MarcoFalke> wumpus, This is with all travis checks? You need to grep for the exit status in the output to find out what failed
182 2016-02-01T12:29:43  <wumpus> for other failures, say while building or running the RPC tests there will be an actual error message
183 2016-02-01T12:29:50  <wumpus> I've never had to "grep for an exit status"
184 2016-02-01T12:30:51  <wumpus> also I think it'd make sense to do this check first
185 2016-02-01T12:31:11  <wumpus> so people don't have to wait for all the other, more time-consuming tests, before failing on something silly like this
186 2016-02-01T12:31:45  <MarcoFalke> it is first
187 2016-02-01T12:31:55  <MarcoFalke> Right after make distdir
188 2016-02-01T12:32:10  <wumpus> then why does e.g. "32-bit+dash" only fail after 19 minutes?
189 2016-02-01T12:32:18  <wumpus> and the others after 11?
190 2016-02-01T12:32:22  <wumpus> this could fail after less than one
191 2016-02-01T12:33:04  <wumpus> to be clear I'm talking about: https://travis-ci.org/bitcoin/bitcoin/builds/106013074
192 2016-02-01T12:33:17  <MarcoFalke> got this
193 2016-02-01T12:33:42  <MarcoFalke> will pull a fix after lunch
194 2016-02-01T12:33:48  <wumpus> thanks
195 2016-02-01T12:34:03  <gmaxwell> MarcoFalke: I knw how to update it. But I wasn't sure if wumpus wanted me to. I just did, at least it'll see if travis passes.
196 2016-02-01T12:34:10  <wumpus> gmaxwell: sure, that still makes sense
197 2016-02-01T12:34:35  <wumpus> gmaxwell: my complaints about the test system are pretty much orthogonal :)
198 2016-02-01T12:36:49  <gmaxwell> lol my comment karama in /r/btc is 16 now, will probably go negative tonight.
199 2016-02-01T12:38:24  <wumpus> that should be worth a medal
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201 2016-02-01T12:43:13  <wumpus> gmaxwell: re: rc3, #7439 is pretty much all, apart from some minor things like the -forcebyfee naming
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203 2016-02-01T12:44:01  <gmaxwell> -freedomfee
204 2016-02-01T12:45:01  <aj> typical of a blockstreamer, negative freedom and fees...
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206 2016-02-01T12:45:43  <gmaxwell> he was kidding!
207 2016-02-01T12:45:49  <aj> (it's true! i was!)
208 2016-02-01T12:46:05  <wumpus> yes, I realized in time :)
209 2016-02-01T12:46:12  <gmaxwell> hahah
210 2016-02-01T12:47:03  <gmaxwell> Sometimes you just have to laugh, ... something is needed to blow the tears off the keyboard.
211 2016-02-01T12:47:06  <aj> i've never thought of ops as concealed-carry before though
212 2016-02-01T12:47:31  <gmaxwell> Perhaps others who share my sense of humor will also laugh at this:  https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/43kyev/greg_maxwell_accidentally_tells_the_truth/czjhpkz?context=4
213 2016-02-01T12:47:50  <wumpus> hahahah me neither
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216 2016-02-01T12:57:17  <MarcoFalke> travis is green. Looking forward to let gitian heat my room a bit.
217 2016-02-01T12:59:22  <wumpus> nice
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219 2016-02-01T13:11:47  <GitHub88> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/31ec14b74ba3...58a8574400c6
220 2016-02-01T13:11:48  <GitHub88> bitcoin/master 325c725 Gregory Maxwell: Add whitelistforcerelay to control forced relaying....
221 2016-02-01T13:11:49  <GitHub88> bitcoin/master 89d113e Gregory Maxwell: Blacklist -whitelistalwaysrelay; replaced by -whitelistrelay.
222 2016-02-01T13:11:49  <GitHub88> bitcoin/master 58a8574 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7439: Add whitelistforcerelay to control forced relaying. [#7099 redux]...
223 2016-02-01T13:11:52  <GitHub115> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7439: Add whitelistforcerelay to control forced relaying. [#7099 redux] (master...control_relay_force) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7439
224 2016-02-01T13:12:17  * gmaxwell waits for the conspiracy theories.
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226 2016-02-01T13:15:35  <aj> gmaxwell: while wumpus still has his @ drawn? no way man
227 2016-02-01T13:16:02  <GitHub182> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 1 new commit to 0.12: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/86755bc85a869e7da4c9112604db5132e6dc6823
228 2016-02-01T13:16:03  <GitHub182> bitcoin/0.12 86755bc Gregory Maxwell: Add whitelistforcerelay to control forced relaying. [#7099 redux]...
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233 2016-02-01T13:23:38  <wumpus> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000191.html    "Malleus Mikehearnificarum." WTF haha
234 2016-02-01T13:24:43  * wumpus will be serious from now on, otherwise this channel shall be retagged buttcoin-core-dev
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239 2016-02-01T14:10:05  <GitHub132> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/58a8574400c6...196ad6913ff5
240 2016-02-01T14:10:05  <GitHub132> bitcoin/master 6795851 gladoscc: Add link to whitepaper
241 2016-02-01T14:10:06  <GitHub132> bitcoin/master 196ad69 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #7451: Add link to bitcoin whitepaper...
242 2016-02-01T14:10:15  <GitHub147> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #7451: Add link to bitcoin whitepaper (master...master) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7451
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246 2016-02-01T14:33:22  <GitHub102> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #7453: [0.13] Missing patches from 0.12 (master...Mf1601-013Forwardports) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7453
247 2016-02-01T14:34:19  <MarcoFalke> wumpus, actually two pulls missed master. ^
248 2016-02-01T14:35:29  <wumpus> HUH
249 2016-02-01T14:36:11  <wumpus> wait, one of those is #7082
250 2016-02-01T14:37:58  <wumpus> but don't know about "Get rid of inaccurate ScriptSigArgsExpected"
251 2016-02-01T14:39:37  <wumpus> the other one is #7387
252 2016-02-01T14:40:33  <wumpus> which has no master counterpart, good catch
253 2016-02-01T14:42:40  <MarcoFalke> Would it make sense to merge  #7438 into master as well? (To make the #7082-diff smaller?)
254 2016-02-01T14:44:14  <wumpus> depends on how different the 0.12 and master solution are, the 0.12 one is supposed to be a much simplified version that can go in quickly, in master we don't have so much of a hurry
255 2016-02-01T14:45:27  <wumpus> but this is exactly why I prefer things to be in master first, this makes sure a major version upgrade is never a reversion
256 2016-02-01T14:46:03  <wumpus> the only time I deviate from that is right before releases, for last minute changes
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265 2016-02-01T15:24:13  <Rebroad> quick question.. does bitcoin core check block headers when it receives the headers AND when it receives the block?
266 2016-02-01T15:24:38  <helo> surely
267 2016-02-01T15:24:48  <Rebroad> and does the checking of the header take much time? if so, can it skip doing it upon receiving the block since it already did it when it received the header?
268 2016-02-01T15:24:55  <instagibbs> I believe so since headers can be received out of order.
269 2016-02-01T15:25:10  <instagibbs> you have to check it meets the correct PoW target once it's in the correct order
270 2016-02-01T15:25:11  <helo> it can't all of the block (the merkle root) until it receives the block
271 2016-02-01T15:25:19  <instagibbs> ^ that too
272 2016-02-01T15:25:22  <helo> all of the block *header
273 2016-02-01T15:25:36  <Rebroad> helo, yes, it would still need to check the merkle, but it wouldn't need to check the header again, right?
274 2016-02-01T15:25:56  <helo> it could verify it matched the header it had retrieved instead
275 2016-02-01T15:26:07  <instagibbs> you'd probably have to read the code to figure it out. The block validation timeline is a bit fuzzy for me. There are various stages.
276 2016-02-01T15:26:36  <Rebroad> helo, yes... although would that save CPU doing it that way?
277 2016-02-01T15:26:57  <wumpus> I don't think it will save CPU/time, verifying the header is neglible compared to the rest of block verification
278 2016-02-01T15:27:06  <Rebroad> helo, and anyway, surely the hash of the block would be enough to be sure it was the same header, wouldn't it?
279 2016-02-01T15:30:59  <helo> the header is the only part that is hashed afaik.
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283 2016-02-01T15:38:23  <wumpus> helo: right; all the transactions are hashed in a merkle tree, the result is put in the header, then the header is hashed. THe block as a whole is never hashed.
284 2016-02-01T15:39:01  <GitHub4> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #7455: [travis] Exit early when check-doc.py fails (master...Mf1601-travisCheckDoc) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7455
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289 2016-02-01T15:52:14  <sdaftuar> instagibbs: while blocks can be received out of order, headers are not (we make sure we have the header for hashPrev when accepting a new block header)
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291 2016-02-01T15:52:28  <instagibbs> derp, DoS risk, right
292 2016-02-01T15:52:52  <instagibbs> I only know the ConnectBlock code intimately
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297 2016-02-01T16:49:53  <MarcoFalke> wumpus, > if [a command] returns an exit code of 1, the following command [...] is still run, but the build will result in a failure. (cited from the travis doc)
298 2016-02-01T16:50:22  <MarcoFalke> I don't think we can exit early
299 2016-02-01T16:51:12  <MarcoFalke> At least right now, we are not doing an early exit
300 2016-02-01T16:51:34  <MarcoFalke> Let's say `make` fails. Travis will still run the rpc test suite
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310 2016-02-01T17:13:11  <wumpus> MarcoFalke: right, you need to explicitly exit, unless you use 'set -e' to terminate the script on every failed command
311 2016-02-01T17:18:08  <MarcoFalke> Good enough for our current .travis.yml ...
312 2016-02-01T17:19:33  <helo> "set -e" has some side effects
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314 2016-02-01T17:21:41  <wumpus> helo: side effects?
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316 2016-02-01T17:24:06  <helo> you probably are aware, but just wanted to mention... e.g. you can't check the value of $? with "set -e"
317 2016-02-01T17:30:49  <wumpus> that's, imo, the main effect, not a side effect :) any non-zero return value will terminate your script so you'll never get to the $? check unless it was 0
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319 2016-02-01T17:36:49  <Tasoshi> "[T]his channel shall be retagged buttcoin-core-dev". Lol, I can imagine people taking that out of context
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321 2016-02-01T17:42:59  <wumpus> well that channel is still empty so apparently no one did
322 2016-02-01T17:48:23  <Tasoshi> Some people do wonder whether the prevalent thought here is that bitcoin does not work though...
323 2016-02-01T17:50:41  <wumpus> if it didn't work, why would people bother to keep working on it... anyhow, off topic
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325 2016-02-01T17:56:31  <Tasoshi> because they have their own ideas of how to "fix it"
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332 2016-02-01T18:57:03  <Luke-Jr> any objections to redoing https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7431#issuecomment-177924839 with -mempoolreplace=1 or =fee ?
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335 2016-02-01T19:05:29  <OxADADA> btcdrak: sounds good
336 2016-02-01T19:06:14  <OxADADA> -ignore- ^^^
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340 2016-02-01T19:15:44  <jtimon> #7287 has been merged! Please review #7310 (#7311 and #7091 are libconsensus related too)
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342 2016-02-01T19:30:54  <Luke-Jr> wumpus: mempoolreplacement change done
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344 2016-02-01T19:34:54  <AngryInca> Hello!
345 2016-02-01T19:35:58  <AngryInca> Can anyone tell me, do you have to checkout a specific branch from https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic.git to be running bitcoin classic? Or will just https://github.com/bitcoinclassic/bitcoinclassic.git, cd bitcoinclassic, ./autogen.sh && ./configure && make && make install work?
346 2016-02-01T19:40:29  <paveljanik> OMG
347 2016-02-01T19:40:44  <instagibbs> You seem to be looking at the wrong repo, try https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin
348 2016-02-01T19:41:51  <AngryInca> hah, lol, well, thats embarrassing!  No offence.  I'm just looking around different builds.
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355 2016-02-01T20:05:32  <gmaxwell> k, brought my laptop to current 0.12 and rpc is no longer binding to IPv4. I'm not sure when I last tested 0.12 branch on this host.
356 2016-02-01T20:06:26  <gmaxwell> 2016-02-01 20:00:39 Binding RPC on address ::1 port 8332
357 2016-02-01T20:06:27  <gmaxwell> 2016-02-01 20:00:39 Binding RPC on address port 8332
358 2016-02-01T20:06:27  <gmaxwell> 2016-02-01 20:00:39 libevent: getaddrinfo: address family for nodename not supported
359 2016-02-01T20:06:29  <gmaxwell> 2016-02-01 20:00:39 Binding RPC on address port 8332 failed.
360 2016-02-01T20:06:40  <gmaxwell> any idea what might have broken this?
361 2016-02-01T20:07:32  <OxADADA> is another process running on that port?
362 2016-02-01T20:10:29  <gmaxwell> No.
363 2016-02-01T20:12:07  <helo> dns failed, apparently?
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365 2016-02-01T20:22:18  <gmaxwell> Git master works. 0.12 fails.
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369 2016-02-01T20:32:58  <gmaxwell> well crap, working now. wtf was that.
370 2016-02-01T20:33:29  <gmaxwell> (means my master vs 0.12 differential test is likely broken)
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394 2016-02-01T22:39:48  <Luke-Jr> jonasschnelli: <jonas.schnelli@include7.ch>: host mail.include7.ch[] said: 554    5.7.1 Service unavailable; Client host [] blocked using    zen.spamhaus.org; https://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL281118 (in reply to    RCPT TO command)
395 2016-02-01T22:40:09  <OxADADA> uh oh.
396 2016-02-01T22:40:19  <Luke-Jr> your email host sucks. fix it? :P  (Spamhaus abuses their position to blackmail datacentres)
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403 2016-02-01T23:31:39  <Luke-Jr> for anyone not reading bitcoin-dev ML: https://github.com/luke-jr/bips/blob/bip-biprevised/bip-biprevised.mediawiki
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