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  82016-05-08T00:55:46  <guest3423423> why do we need undo information again?
  92016-05-08T00:55:56  <belcher> for reorgs
 102016-05-08T00:56:02  <belcher> i believe
 112016-05-08T00:56:06  <sipa> correct
 122016-05-08T00:56:08  <guest3423423> but there's already raw block data
 132016-05-08T00:56:25  <sipa> raw block data does not tell you which outputs were spent by the block
 142016-05-08T00:56:31  <sipa> only which ones were added
 152016-05-08T00:56:43  <sipa> a block is a 'forward patch' to the UTXO set
 162016-05-08T00:56:48  <sipa> the undo data is a reverse patch
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 182016-05-08T00:58:28  <guest3423423> but block's transations tell you that, no?
 192016-05-08T00:58:35  <sipa> no
 202016-05-08T00:58:51  <guest3423423> prevout?
 212016-05-08T00:58:51  <sipa> you have a transaction A which creates a output A1
 222016-05-08T00:59:01  <sipa> that tells you the hash and index which is being spent
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 242016-05-08T00:59:06  <sipa> not the contents of the UTXO
 252016-05-08T00:59:13  <sipa> (the scriptPubKey and amount)
 262016-05-08T00:59:30  <sipa> you need to be able to restore the scriptPubKey and amount to the UTXO database
 272016-05-08T00:59:31  <guest3423423> of, so to avaoid indexing all the txs, we keep  undo data only?
 282016-05-08T00:59:47  <sipa> we don't index any txn at all
 292016-05-08T00:59:58  <sipa> there is just a separate database with only the unspent transaction outputs
 302016-05-08T01:00:07  <sipa> not full transactions, not an index
 312016-05-08T01:00:11  <guest3423423> txindex flag, could tell you where to look it up and figure out the amounts etc
 322016-05-08T01:00:11  <sipa> just copies of the outputs
 332016-05-08T01:00:25  <sipa> that was used until bitcoin 0.7, and it became horrendously slow
 342016-05-08T01:00:35  <guest3423423> so it is an optimization after all?
 352016-05-08T01:00:37  <sipa> as you'd need to go seek all over you disk to gather all the inputs
 362016-05-08T01:00:41  <guest3423423> yes
 372016-05-08T01:00:51  <sipa> yes
 382016-05-08T01:01:00  <sipa> it's how the database layout is designed
 392016-05-08T01:01:01  <guest3423423> great. makes sense. i thought i was going crazy over this
 402016-05-08T01:01:07  <sipa> alternatives are certainly possible
 412016-05-08T01:01:20  <sipa> but they're very different
 422016-05-08T01:01:40  <guest3423423> that answers my question. stackoverflow could use a patch :-)
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 442016-05-08T01:01:45  <guest3423423> to make this clearer
 452016-05-08T01:01:50  <sipa> link?
 462016-05-08T01:02:45  <guest3423423> one moment
 472016-05-08T01:05:07  <guest3423423> http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/32716/what-exactly-are-the-rev00000-dat-files
 482016-05-08T01:12:01  <guest3423423> by the way folks, when should slack be used vs freenode?
 492016-05-08T01:12:13  <sipa> slack is for development
 502016-05-08T01:12:18  <sipa> eh, freenode is
 512016-05-08T01:12:23  <sipa> slack is for the rest
 522016-05-08T01:12:47  <guest3423423> the rest?
 532016-05-08T01:14:26  <moli> slack is for drama
 542016-05-08T01:14:40  <guest3423423> that explains it :-)
 552016-05-08T01:15:37  <guest3423423> sipa: who do I send my job application to?
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