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  9 2016-05-19T01:19:01  <otebuv> what are the main differences between bitcoin-core and bitcoinj in terms of functionality
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 14 2016-05-19T01:58:33  <Chris_Stewart_5> How long is a 'retarget period' in BIP9?
 15 2016-05-19T02:01:11  <Chris_Stewart_5> Seems like it isn't defined in BIP9 unless I am missing something..
 16 2016-05-19T02:02:44  <pigeons> is it 2015 blocks or 2016?
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 18 2016-05-19T02:06:53  <Chris_Stewart_5> pigeons: Could be, it would make sense from drawing conclusions from the code snippets
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 27 2016-05-19T02:44:14  <luke-jr> otebuv: Bitcoin Core implements (and defines) the actual Bitcoin protocol, whereas BitcoinJ just has enough to trust a remote Bitcoin Core node
 28 2016-05-19T02:44:45  <luke-jr> (BlueMatt added Core-imitation logic implementing the actual Bitcoin protocol in BitcoinJ years ago, but AFAIK it's likely buggy and outdated by now)
 29 2016-05-19T02:44:58  <luke-jr> (and nobody uses it afaik, which is probably a good thing)
 30 2016-05-19T02:45:49  <otebuv> @luke-jr what about wallet/addresses functionality can i create new wallet addresses with bitcoin-core
 31 2016-05-19T02:46:44  <luke-jr> otebuv: Bitcoin Core does indeed have a wallet builtin
 32 2016-05-19T02:47:19  <luke-jr> in fact, it was the ONLY wallet for several years, and still the most mature
 33 2016-05-19T02:47:30  <BlueMatt> yea, it really, really should be removed
 34 2016-05-19T02:47:40  <BlueMatt> and is very outdated now
 35 2016-05-19T02:47:50  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: referring to BitcoinJ's impl of the protocol, and not Core's wallet, I assume?
 36 2016-05-19T02:48:49  <BlueMatt> yea
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 60 2016-05-19T05:32:15  <paveljanik> BlueMatt, #8068 doesn't compile at all here now (with clang).
 61 2016-05-19T05:32:48  <paveljanik> ./blockencodings.h:36:33: error: no matching conversion for functional-style cast from 'unsigned long' to 'CCompactSize'
 62 2016-05-19T05:39:31  <luke-jr> paveljanik: maybe another 32/64-bit issue?
 63 2016-05-19T05:39:53  <BlueMatt> looks like it...i fixed thaat bug in two other places....
 64 2016-05-19T05:39:59  <BlueMatt> just missed one
 65 2016-05-19T05:50:34  <BlueMatt> paveljanik: try now?
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 67 2016-05-19T06:09:41  <paveljanik> will do
 68 2016-05-19T06:11:02  <paveljanik> ./blockencodings.h:157:35: error: no matching function for call to 'min'
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 71 2016-05-19T06:19:03  <BlueMatt> huh
 72 2016-05-19T06:19:11  <BlueMatt> its fucking std::min........
 73 2016-05-19T06:20:34  <BlueMatt> paveljanik: added the include......
 74 2016-05-19T06:22:43  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: std::min only works when both arguments are exactly the same type
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 76 2016-05-19T06:23:10  <luke-jr> and it won't cast implicitly
 77 2016-05-19T06:27:15  <BlueMatt> fucking 32-bit......
 78 2016-05-19T06:28:12  <paveljanik> BlueMatt, you are on 32bits?
 79 2016-05-19T06:28:23  <BlueMatt> no
 80 2016-05-19T06:28:37  <BlueMatt> I suppose I'd be having these issues if I were :p
 81 2016-05-19T06:29:10  <paveljanik> I'm on x86_64...
 82 2016-05-19T06:32:40  <paveljanik> BlueMatt, now there are only two other errors: ./blockencodings.h:40 and 82 std::min
 83 2016-05-19T06:33:38  <BlueMatt> wtf
 84 2016-05-19T06:33:43  <BlueMatt> ugh...make me fucking install clang
 85 2016-05-19T06:37:34  <BlueMatt> anddddd...clang segfaults
 86 2016-05-19T06:37:39  <BlueMatt> well i fixed the std::min
 87 2016-05-19T06:37:47  <paveljanik> retrying...
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 89 2016-05-19T06:39:11  <paveljanik> passed the file now. Congrats! ;-)
 90 2016-05-19T06:39:17  <BlueMatt> heh
 91 2016-05-19T06:39:29  <BlueMatt> does clang really make size_t a 32-bit on 64-bit platforms???
 92 2016-05-19T06:39:35  <BlueMatt> that seems somewhat strange to me
 93 2016-05-19T06:39:54  <paveljanik> no no. It is unsigned long vs. unsigned long long
 94 2016-05-19T06:40:32  <BlueMatt> yea, unsigned long is probably 32-bit, no?
 95 2016-05-19T06:43:31  <paveljanik> unsigned long is 8 bytes long here.
 96 2016-05-19T06:43:51  <paveljanik> and ULL is 8 bytes here
 97 2016-05-19T06:44:18  <BlueMatt> heh, funny that it complains when 2 8-byte types dont match
 98 2016-05-19T06:44:25  <paveljanik> yep 8)
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100 2016-05-19T06:46:26  <GitHub187> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 5 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/239d41986454...18436d889653
101 2016-05-19T06:46:27  <GitHub187> bitcoin/master 00678bd Warren Togami: Make failures to connect via Socks5() more informative and less unnecessarily scary....
102 2016-05-19T06:46:28  <GitHub187> bitcoin/master 0d9af79 Warren Togami: SOCKS5 connecting and connected messages with -debug=net....
103 2016-05-19T06:46:28  <GitHub187> bitcoin/master 94fd1d8 Warren Togami: Make Socks5() InterruptibleRecv() timeout/failures informative....
104 2016-05-19T06:46:36  <GitHub87> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8033: Fix Socks5() connect failures to be less noisy and less unnecessarily scary (master...proxy_fail_too_scary) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8033
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113 2016-05-19T07:56:22  <GitHub14> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 3 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/18436d889653...7771aa57bdd6
114 2016-05-19T07:56:23  <GitHub14> bitcoin/master f4119c6 EthanHeilman: Remove non-determinism which is breaking net_tests #8069
115 2016-05-19T07:56:24  <GitHub14> bitcoin/master 2a8b358 Ethan Heilman: Fix typo adddrman to addrman as requested in #8070
116 2016-05-19T07:56:24  <GitHub14> bitcoin/master 7771aa5 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8070: Remove non-determinism which is breaking net_tests #8069...
117 2016-05-19T07:56:34  <GitHub177> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8070: Remove non-determinism which is breaking net_tests #8069 (master...bug) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8070
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123 2016-05-19T09:18:15  <GitHub121> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #8072: travis: 'make check' in parallel and verbose (master...Mf1605-travisMakeCheck) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8072
124 2016-05-19T09:21:33  <MarcoFalke> is there an irc meeting today?
125 2016-05-19T09:22:01  <warren> Are people traveling now for the Zurich thing?
126 2016-05-19T09:24:12  <jonasschnelli> There is also a meetup in zurich during the time of the meeting. At least Pieter W. will be there. :)
127 2016-05-19T09:28:18  <jonasschnelli> I think I'll attend the todays IRC meeting,... not sure if i'm the only one.
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146 2016-05-19T11:57:06  <GitHub84> [bitcoin] rat4 opened pull request #8073: qt: askpassphrasedialog: Clear pass fields on accept (master...patch) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8073
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151 2016-05-19T12:59:21  <petertodd> warren: yeah, I'll on my way there during th emeeting
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165 2016-05-19T14:24:21  <cjcj> Just an FYI: none of the GPG keys listed https://bitcoincore.org/en/list/announcements/join/ are reachable
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167 2016-05-19T14:36:55  <jonasschnelli> cjcj: thanks
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169 2016-05-19T14:38:10  <jonasschnelli> cjcj: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/issues/170
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176 2016-05-19T15:09:27  <luke-jr> maybe there should be a master PGP key that can sign senders
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179 2016-05-19T15:22:02  <gmaxwell> am I timezone confused or is the meeting not for several hours?  (I'm in Zurich now)
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182 2016-05-19T15:23:38  <instagibbs> gmaxwell, not yet surely
183 2016-05-19T15:25:43  <gmaxwell> should I not be in Zurich now? I could go back...
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185 2016-05-19T15:27:51  <luke-jr> gmaxwell: you're 3 hours 30 min early for the -core-dev meeting
186 2016-05-19T15:28:30  * luke-jr ponders if he'll be able to make it. supposedly the plane has wifi
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188 2016-05-19T15:35:01  <sipa> gmaxwell: local time is 17:34; meeting is at 21:00
189 2016-05-19T15:38:00  <sipa> gmaxwell: there is also a social bitcoin meetup in zurich in 1.5 hours
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193 2016-05-19T15:55:05  <gmaxwell> BlueMatt: new shorter short-ids are doing their thing:
194 2016-05-19T15:55:13  <gmaxwell> 2016-05-19 14:31:35 received: cmpctblock (18005 bytes) peer=1
195 2016-05-19T15:55:13  <gmaxwell> 2016-05-19 14:31:35 Successfully reconstructed block 000000000000000003c99851acf96fb791f790324d62ffad98e2c68de4783f32 with 1 txn prefilled, 2964 txn from mempool and 0 txn requested
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197 2016-05-19T15:55:37  <sipa> \o/
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216 2016-05-19T17:33:03  <instagibbs> that's some nice extra savings there :)
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240 2016-05-19T18:56:21  <BlueMatt> gmaxwell: nice!
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243 2016-05-19T19:01:51  <luke-jr> meeting?
244 2016-05-19T19:02:01  <BlueMatt> probably travel day for most folks?
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246 2016-05-19T19:02:11  <luke-jr> but I have layover :o
247 2016-05-19T19:02:17  <BlueMatt> #meetingstart
248 2016-05-19T19:02:22  <BlueMatt> #startmeeting
249 2016-05-19T19:02:22  <lightningbot> Meeting started Thu May 19 19:02:22 2016 UTC.  The chair is BlueMatt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
250 2016-05-19T19:02:22  <lightningbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
251 2016-05-19T19:02:29  <BlueMatt> topics?
252 2016-05-19T19:03:10  <luke-jr> VB GBT :P
253 2016-05-19T19:03:48  <BlueMatt> who's writing the fixes for that?
254 2016-05-19T19:04:14  <sipa> i am at the zurich bitcoin meetup
255 2016-05-19T19:04:18  <luke-jr> me https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/7935
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258 2016-05-19T19:05:33  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: so it looks like its in the review queue?
259 2016-05-19T19:05:41  <luke-jr> yeah
260 2016-05-19T19:05:57  <luke-jr> but it's fairly important to get released before CSV activates
261 2016-05-19T19:06:22  <sipa> csv won't activate soon
262 2016-05-19T19:06:52  <BlueMatt> it might, but, indeed, there seems to be some meme about CSV not being useful without segwit :/
263 2016-05-19T19:06:56  <luke-jr> could be within a month, no? and we need time for rc testing etc
264 2016-05-19T19:07:13  <luke-jr> hmm
265 2016-05-19T19:07:33  <morcos> how important is it for us to get CSV activated soon?
266 2016-05-19T19:07:48  <luke-jr> I don't know any urgent need for it tbh
267 2016-05-19T19:08:04  <BlueMatt> dont think its /criticial/, but it would be very nice for a few folks
268 2016-05-19T19:08:04  <sipa> the demand for csv is for supporting htlcz
269 2016-05-19T19:08:57  <luke-jr> htlcz?
270 2016-05-19T19:08:59  <morcos> but doesn't it seem like segwit is such a big additional improvement that its not worth trying to push for CSV adoption now and instead saving our energy for segwit adoption?
271 2016-05-19T19:09:03  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: s/z/s/
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273 2016-05-19T19:09:20  <luke-jr> ah
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275 2016-05-19T19:09:58  <BlueMatt> morcos: it would be very nice if it didnt activate at the same time, but while there are some use-cases, its true, I'm not aware of anyone clamoring for csv RIGHT NOW
276 2016-05-19T19:10:35  <morcos> BlueMatt: just for the purposes of having a live VB activation before segwit?
277 2016-05-19T19:10:41  <BlueMatt> it is kinda dissapointing that miners dont care enough to upgrade, since there were other bugfixes there, but whatever
278 2016-05-19T19:10:54  <luke-jr> I got the (mistaken?) impression BlueMatt and gmaxwell were upset CSV was taking long, so I assumed it was getting pressure on
279 2016-05-19T19:10:56  <morcos> that doesn't seem so critical to me, now that we've had so many testnet type activations
280 2016-05-19T19:11:01  <BlueMatt> morcos: yea, that would be nice too
281 2016-05-19T19:11:30  <morcos> i agree its disappointing, but i'm not sure its something thats worth worrying about or doing anything about.  lets just roll out the next great thing
282 2016-05-19T19:11:34  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: no, I think gmaxwell would very much like it to move forward faster, and I am dissapointed that its not, but as morcos points out, its not critical
283 2016-05-19T19:11:42  <sipa> what could be do to improve adoption?
284 2016-05-19T19:11:56  <luke-jr> sipa: 0.11 backport would get Eligius
285 2016-05-19T19:12:02  <BlueMatt> sipa: not much, a few folks were bugging the 2 big miners left
286 2016-05-19T19:12:51  <luke-jr> right now solo depends on VB GBT, and Eligius depends on either 0.11 backport or 0.12 CPFP testing/review
287 2016-05-19T19:13:20  <sipa> luke-jr: i'll review the patches tomorrow
288 2016-05-19T19:13:22  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: I'm working on the cpfp review
289 2016-05-19T19:13:45  <BlueMatt> next topic?
290 2016-05-19T19:15:13  <luke-jr> should we make specific plans for the weekend?
291 2016-05-19T19:15:23  <luke-jr> or maybe jonasschnelli already has that planned
292 2016-05-19T19:15:42  <BlueMatt> I think thats already mostly planned/most folks arent here/there is an email thread
293 2016-05-19T19:15:55  <sipa> yes
294 2016-05-19T19:16:23  <luke-jr> oh, has anyone looked at the OpenSSL exploits?
295 2016-05-19T19:16:27  <jonasschnelli> I haven't planed a schedule on what to talk about or on what to work. I think this should be done together.
296 2016-05-19T19:16:39  <jonasschnelli> Any I guess 20 people can't work on the same thing. We might need to form groups.
297 2016-05-19T19:18:24  <sipa> if there are no further topics, i suggest closing the meeting soon
298 2016-05-19T19:19:05  <luke-jr> OpenSSL exploits could be a topic. IIRC there was an uncertainty of the risk of the last batch
299 2016-05-19T19:19:05  <BlueMatt> sounds good to me
300 2016-05-19T19:19:15  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: yes, someone should look at that
301 2016-05-19T19:19:36  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: you feel like digging into it?
302 2016-05-19T19:19:42  <luke-jr> if we're going to release 0.12.2 with the VB GBT stuff, might as well bump OpenSSL with it?
303 2016-05-19T19:19:53  <sipa> that sou ds reasonable
304 2016-05-19T19:19:59  <luke-jr> BlueMatt: I don't feel competent in crypto, but I could dig a little I guess
305 2016-05-19T19:19:59  <sipa> sounds
306 2016-05-19T19:20:27  <BlueMatt> luke-jr: indeed, if we do another release (I think we'd need a quorum here to discuss that), then we should bump openssl
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308 2016-05-19T19:22:05  <luke-jr> guess nothing else to discuss?
309 2016-05-19T19:24:06  <BlueMatt> #endmeeting
310 2016-05-19T19:24:06  <lightningbot> Meeting ended Thu May 19 19:24:06 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
311 2016-05-19T19:24:06  <lightningbot> Minutes:        http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2016/bitcoin-core-dev.2016-05-19-19.02.html
312 2016-05-19T19:24:06  <lightningbot> Minutes (text): http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2016/bitcoin-core-dev.2016-05-19-19.02.txt
313 2016-05-19T19:24:06  <lightningbot> Log:            http://www.erisian.com.au/meetbot/bitcoin-core-dev/2016/bitcoin-core-dev.2016-05-19-19.02.log.html
314 2016-05-19T19:24:33  <paveljanik> Enjoy the meeting!
315 2016-05-19T19:24:41  <jonasschnelli> Thanks
316 2016-05-19T19:24:51  <luke-jr> paveljanik: y u not coming? :P
317 2016-05-19T19:25:12  <paveljanik> luke-jr, unfortunately not. But I will try to next time!
318 2016-05-19T19:26:23  <luke-jr> next time we will have a very poor effective bus factor I guess :P
319 2016-05-19T19:26:53  <luke-jr> going to grab some food while I wait for instagibbs, bbiab
320 2016-05-19T19:27:53  * jonasschnelli can read luke-jr travel adventure excitement ... :)
321 2016-05-19T19:31:23  <paveljanik> on the other hand, Zurich is only 620 km away from here... ;-)
322 2016-05-19T19:32:19  <jonasschnelli> yes. You could even take a car! :)
323 2016-05-19T19:32:54  <paveljanik> 8)
324 2016-05-19T19:33:10  <paveljanik> But not this weekend unfortunately :-(
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