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22 2016-09-27T02:39:37 <GitHub23> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #8819: [depends] Boost 1.61.0 (master...depends-boost-1-61-0) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8819
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57 2016-09-27T04:38:00 <GitHub138> [bitcoin] fanquake opened pull request #8820: [depends] Fix Qt compilation with Xcode 8 (master...depends-qt-xcoderun) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8820
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63 2016-09-27T05:00:55 <luke-jr> what's holding back https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8357 ?
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81 2016-09-27T06:47:53 <jonasschnelli> wumpus: regarding the UTXO set cursor you have implemented in #7756...
82 2016-09-27T06:48:20 <jonasschnelli> once you create the cursor, new changes won't affect itteration?
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89 2016-09-27T07:44:19 <GitHub131> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke opened pull request #8821: [qt] sync-overlay: Don't block during reindex (master...Mf1609-qtSyncReindex) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8821
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110 2016-09-27T10:43:51 <wumpus> jonasschnelli: indeed
111 2016-09-27T10:44:06 <wumpus> it uses a leveldb snapshot
112 2016-09-27T10:44:48 <wumpus> the idea is that you can do a background backup/downlaod/analysis
113 2016-09-27T10:45:54 * luke-jr wonders if it's worth using a leveldb snapshot for sweepprivkey to avoid holding a lock
114 2016-09-27T10:46:38 <wumpus> does it use the utxo cursor to iterate over the utxo set? if so, you don't need a lock
115 2016-09-27T10:47:18 <wumpus> getutxosetinfo or whatever it's called also doesn't take a lock, at least not during the crunching phase
116 2016-09-27T10:47:37 <luke-jr> it isn't implemented sanely yet afaik, just pondering how the ideal impl would be
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118 2016-09-27T11:14:31 <dinao> What is the purpose of the version-field in transactions?
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120 2016-09-27T11:20:03 <Yogh_> when two blocks at the same height (at the tip) arrive in a Core node, does Core choose the first-seen block or the highest-work block as its chaintip of preference?
121 2016-09-27T11:20:34 <wumpus> always the highest total work, also this is a general #bitcoin question
122 2016-09-27T11:22:26 <GitHub136> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/2f71490d2179...6e54c85439b6
123 2016-09-27T11:22:26 <GitHub136> bitcoin/master 0637b02 Johnson Lau: Ping regularly in p2p-segwit.py to keep connection alive...
124 2016-09-27T11:22:27 <GitHub136> bitcoin/master 6e54c85 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8803: Ping regularly in p2p-segwit.py to keep connection alive...
125 2016-09-27T11:22:37 <GitHub65> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8803: Ping regularly in p2p-segwit.py to keep connection alive (master...patch-17) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8803
126 2016-09-27T11:24:16 <sipa> Yogh_: unless there is a retarget inside the reorged blkcks, the amount of work in both blocks will be the same
127 2016-09-27T11:25:10 <sipa> Yogh_: so yes, core chooses the highest work, but in practice the work will be the same, and we use first-seen as tie breaker
128 2016-09-27T11:26:11 <sipa> dinao: bip68 uses it
129 2016-09-27T11:26:14 <GitHub49> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/6e54c85439b6...920ca1f0bf0b
130 2016-09-27T11:26:14 <GitHub49> bitcoin/master 4731cab Pavel JanÃk: Do not shadow variables
131 2016-09-27T11:26:15 <GitHub49> bitcoin/master 920ca1f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8655: Do not shadow variables (trivials)...
132 2016-09-27T11:26:24 <GitHub42> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8655: Do not shadow variables (trivials) (master...20160902_Wshadow_trivials) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8655
133 2016-09-27T11:26:35 <Yogh_> okay thanks
134 2016-09-27T11:27:38 <dinao> sipa: Can I ignore what nSequence says if I use a certain version of the transaction?
135 2016-09-27T11:28:29 <sipa> dinao: nSequence still has a meaning (for determining finality) for nVersion=1 transactions
136 2016-09-27T11:29:50 <dinao> sipa: Ok, so nVersion=1 transactions are still standard?
137 2016-09-27T11:29:57 <sipa> absolutely
138 2016-09-27T11:30:17 <dinao> sipa: Thanks for the clarifications!
139 2016-09-27T11:30:17 <sipa> as long as they're final
140 2016-09-27T11:30:51 <sipa> (which means either nlocktime=0 or all nsequence values maximal)
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144 2016-09-27T12:06:38 <luke-jr> ⦠or nlocktime < median timestamp or block height
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147 2016-09-27T12:11:38 <sipa> luke-jr: right!
148 2016-09-27T12:12:48 <GitHub29> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #8822: net: Consistent checksum handling (master...2016_09_normalize_checksum_handling) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8822
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161 2016-09-27T13:08:33 <GitHub120> [bitcoin] laanwj opened pull request #8823: doc: Add privacy recommendation when running hidden service (master...2016_09_tor_recommendation) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8823
162 2016-09-27T13:11:13 <GitHub7> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8815: Backports for 0.13.1 (0.13...2016_09_backports_0_13_1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8815
163 2016-09-27T13:11:14 <GitHub65> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 12 new commits to 0.13: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/254e990ce5c3...a916677ace1c
164 2016-09-27T13:11:14 <GitHub65> bitcoin/0.13 1672225 Pieter Wuille: Do not store witness txn in rejection cache...
165 2016-09-27T13:11:15 <GitHub65> bitcoin/0.13 b394a96 instagibbs: Add basic test for IsStandard witness transaction blinding...
166 2016-09-27T13:11:15 <GitHub65> bitcoin/0.13 a5ec248 Johnson Lau: Remove createwitnessaddress...
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168 2016-09-27T13:20:49 <GitHub142> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/920ca1f0bf0b...14e8f9916beb
169 2016-09-27T13:20:50 <GitHub142> bitcoin/master 42f6aed Wladimir J. van der Laan: tests: Add exception error message for JSONRPCException...
170 2016-09-27T13:20:50 <GitHub142> bitcoin/master 14e8f99 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8810: tests: Add exception error message for JSONRPCException...
171 2016-09-27T13:21:04 <GitHub61> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8810: tests: Add exception error message for JSONRPCException (master...2016_09_tests_rpc_error) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8810
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186 2016-09-27T14:20:57 <GitHub171> [bitcoin] jnewbery opened pull request #8824: refactor TxToJSON() and ScriptPubKeyToJSON() (master...JSON_refactor) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8824
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189 2016-09-27T14:33:49 <GitHub37> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/14e8f9916beb...e9d5f6fec8fc
190 2016-09-27T14:33:49 <GitHub37> bitcoin/master 94a34a5 maiiz: Fix relaypriority calculation error
191 2016-09-27T14:33:50 <GitHub37> bitcoin/master e9d5f6f Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8357: [mempool] Fix relaypriority calculation error...
192 2016-09-27T14:33:57 <GitHub169> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8357: [mempool] Fix relaypriority calculation error (master...maiiz-patch-1) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8357
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202 2016-09-27T15:10:32 <GitHub181> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/e9d5f6fec8fc...5a4f6d72e615
203 2016-09-27T15:10:32 <GitHub181> bitcoin/master c72c5b1 Johnson Lau: Make non-minimal OP_IF/NOTIF argument non-standard for P2WSH
204 2016-09-27T15:10:33 <GitHub181> bitcoin/master 5a4f6d7 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8526: Make non-minimal OP_IF/NOTIF argument non-standard for P2WSH...
205 2016-09-27T15:10:44 <GitHub171> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8526: Make non-minimal OP_IF/NOTIF argument non-standard for P2WSH (master...minimalif) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8526
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207 2016-09-27T15:13:25 <wumpus> only three 0.13.1-backport pulls open, we're getting there... https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3A%22Needs+backport%22
208 2016-09-27T15:18:05 <sipa> going through them
209 2016-09-27T15:25:33 <wumpus> 8634 seems ready for merge but needs rebase
210 2016-09-27T15:26:18 <wumpus> probably because of #8526
211 2016-09-27T15:32:05 <btcdrak> jl2012 is rebasing now
212 2016-09-27T15:33:54 <MarcoFalke> btcdrak: https://github.com/bitcoin-core/bitcoincore.org/pull/217 (website is broken)
213 2016-09-27T15:34:05 <MarcoFalke> the meeting shows up on the main page
214 2016-09-27T15:34:58 <btcdrak> oh. pushed
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216 2016-09-27T15:43:01 <jl2012> yes, waiting for travis
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218 2016-09-27T15:47:57 <wumpus> great
219 2016-09-27T15:48:27 <jl2012> #8499 is replaced with the policy only version
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223 2016-09-27T15:53:03 <jl2012> just a nit: we should change the name of SIGVERSION to SCRIPTVERSION (I think we talked about it Zurich)
224 2016-09-27T15:54:14 <jl2012> it is the script, not the signature, determining the behaviour
225 2016-09-27T15:54:45 <GitHub3> [bitcoin] laanwj pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/5a4f6d72e615...fc4f4547b7f6
226 2016-09-27T15:54:45 <GitHub3> bitcoin/master e41bd44 Johnson Lau: Add policy: null signature for failed CHECK(MULTI)SIG
227 2016-09-27T15:54:46 <GitHub3> bitcoin/master fc4f454 Wladimir J. van der Laan: Merge #8634: Add policy: null signature for failed CHECK(MULTI)SIG...
228 2016-09-27T15:54:55 <GitHub147> [bitcoin] laanwj closed pull request #8634: Add policy: null signature for failed CHECK(MULTI)SIG (master...nullfail) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8634
229 2016-09-27T15:57:12 <btcdrak> \o/
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231 2016-09-27T15:59:04 <jl2012> #8499 is trivial. What is the progress of #8393 compact block?
232 2016-09-27T16:00:35 <sdaftuar> jl2012: i think it's done or close to done. could be merged as-is, or with some tests, or with some minor improvements -- not sure what sipa prefers to do, but i'm fine with any of those options
233 2016-09-27T16:01:47 <jl2012> sdaftuar: thanks, #8499 is redone based on your suggestions
234 2016-09-27T16:01:55 <sdaftuar> jl2012: cool, i'll take a look
235 2016-09-27T16:03:11 <sipa> sdaftuar: i'll go through your suggestions later today
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269 2016-09-27T16:37:21 <kanzure> is there some logs i can look at for why there is a tor client in bitcoind rather than using SOCKS5 for tor?
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575 2016-09-27T17:47:35 <wumpus> kanzure: there is no tor client in bitcoind
576 2016-09-27T17:48:10 <wumpus> the only way bitcoind can use tor is to connect though the proxy or be connected from a hidden service
577 2016-09-27T17:49:01 <wumpus> and there is some logic to talk to tor through its control port, to automatically listen on a hidden service
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581 2016-09-27T17:51:57 <wumpus> for details read https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/doc/tor.md
582 2016-09-27T17:52:02 <d4de> wumpus, shouldn't the whole logic of exposing bitcoin as a hidden service be done outside of bitcoin?
583 2016-09-27T17:52:50 <d4de> is the convenience of automating small bits of tor really worth having to maintain a part of a tor client?
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585 2016-09-27T17:53:07 <sipa> there is no "part of a tor client"...
586 2016-09-27T17:53:13 <sipa> there is logic to talk to tor
587 2016-09-27T17:53:19 <sipa> to ask it to open a port for us
588 2016-09-27T17:53:29 <d4de> oh ok, what's that? https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/920ca1f0bf0b786250e3119a05984e0c2af1350a/src/torcontrol.cpp
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590 2016-09-27T17:53:39 <d4de> right
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592 2016-09-27T17:53:50 <sipa> that's a client for tor's control interface
593 2016-09-27T17:54:06 <d4de> so usually people just have that done outside of their app, in any case, my question stands
594 2016-09-27T17:54:30 <wumpus> sure, having it happen automatically means that it is easier to do
595 2016-09-27T17:54:47 <wumpus> it's easy enough to disable if you don't want to use the functionality
596 2016-09-27T17:54:59 <d4de> yep, worth maintaining and be a potential source of issues?
597 2016-09-27T17:55:02 <d4de> I understand that wumpus
598 2016-09-27T17:55:11 <wumpus> everything is a potential source of issues
599 2016-09-27T17:55:11 <d4de> I'm arguing for the merits of having in the code base to begin with
600 2016-09-27T17:55:30 <d4de> true, so let's not add more to "everything"? see where I'm coming from
601 2016-09-27T17:55:32 <d4de> ?
602 2016-09-27T17:55:35 <wumpus> who are you and why are you arguing this?
603 2016-09-27T17:56:16 <sipa> we as a community of developers are the ones who have to maintain this, and we found it worthwhile to have this regardless of the extra work it brings
604 2016-09-27T17:56:23 <d4de> I'm a bitcoin user... why, because I believe bitcoind should do one thing and one thing only instead of having the binary be bigger?
605 2016-09-27T17:56:37 <wumpus> it hardly matters to the binary size
606 2016-09-27T17:56:49 <wumpus> please go do something else
607 2016-09-27T17:57:02 <d4de> I'll certainly will, thanks
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609 2016-09-27T17:57:06 <wumpus> it's like you arguing anti-privacy
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611 2016-09-27T17:57:30 <wumpus> strange person
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613 2016-09-27T17:59:52 <paveljanik> maybe he comes from the UNIX world. Do one thing only and do it the best you van. But the world has moved...
614 2016-09-27T17:59:58 <paveljanik> can
615 2016-09-27T18:00:03 * wumpus comes form the 'UNIX world'
616 2016-09-27T18:00:04 <paveljanik> people are lazy
617 2016-09-27T18:00:08 * paveljanik too
618 2016-09-27T18:00:24 <paveljanik> even if it is about their money...
619 2016-09-27T18:00:54 <wumpus> I've developed for solaris, for openbsd, that doesn't make me a crazy person that goes into other people's project's IRC channels and start silly arguments
620 2016-09-27T18:01:04 <wumpus> oh HPUX even
621 2016-09-27T18:01:30 <sipa> we still don't have SMTP support in bitcoind, right?
622 2016-09-27T18:01:34 <paveljanik> he probably misunderstands the tor principles...
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624 2016-09-27T18:03:02 <wumpus> no LISP interpreter either
625 2016-09-27T18:03:22 * paveljanik hides his Editor 8)
626 2016-09-27T18:03:46 <paveljanik> M-x wallet RET
627 2016-09-27T18:04:13 <paveljanik> oops, wrong buffer
628 2016-09-27T18:04:16 <paveljanik> ;-)
629 2016-09-27T18:04:23 <sipa> bah, in my days we used to compute our public key by hand
630 2016-09-27T18:05:05 <cfields_> wumpus: to clarify, a typical "./configure --prefix=foo" is enough to trigger the -fstack-protector-all bug for you with xenial mingw?
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633 2016-09-27T18:05:59 <wumpus> cfields_: yes
634 2016-09-27T18:06:29 <cfields_> (I should say.. build with depends, typical configure, and ./test_bitcoin.exe?)
635 2016-09-27T18:07:07 <wumpus> cfields_: the default hardening settings trigger it
636 2016-09-27T18:07:07 <wumpus> sipa: but were the keys longer than 16 bits? :-)
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638 2016-09-27T18:07:20 <wumpus> yes, I did nothing special
639 2016-09-27T18:07:34 <wumpus> why, you can't reproduce it?
640 2016-09-27T18:07:50 <wumpus> I may have switched the g++ compiler to posix and back a few times :)
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642 2016-09-27T18:07:53 <cfields_> if that's the case, happy to report that it's fixed after my toolchain work
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646 2016-09-27T18:09:24 <cfields_> wumpus: i've added thin toolchain builders to depends that rid us of the ubuntu toolchain dependency. Only needed once for bootstrap, then we're self-hosted
647 2016-09-27T18:09:29 <wumpus> but I think it should be reproducible with new xenial vm + sudo alternatives to switch the compiler to posix (so that it gets past the threading problems) + follow instructions in doc/build-windows.md ,
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653 2016-09-27T18:10:30 <wumpus> cfields_: interesting, so that version is newer than the one in ubuntu, I guess?
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657 2016-09-27T18:10:42 <cfields_> I'm not sure if that's what you wanted long-term or not, but I wanted to go through the process to see what it would take
658 2016-09-27T18:11:11 <wumpus> gcc or clang?
659 2016-09-27T18:11:20 <cfields_> wumpus: yes. gcc 6.2.0. mingw 4.0.6.
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665 2016-09-27T18:11:33 <wumpus> I don't care, I just want the releases to work :)
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668 2016-09-27T18:11:54 <wumpus> whoa 6.2,0, I'm surprise that works at all
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671 2016-09-27T18:12:06 <wumpus> I don't think I've ever used a gcc newer than 5.x
672 2016-09-27T18:12:25 <wumpus> but anyhow for macosx we use a custom toolchain too right?
673 2016-09-27T18:12:36 <wumpus> I don't see a problem with doing the same for windows
674 2016-09-27T18:12:37 <kanzure> wumpus: i don't think d4de is arguing anti-privacy; he previously proposed other ways of using tor.
675 2016-09-27T18:12:46 <cfields_> figured i'd start with latest stable versions of everything, then backing down as needed
676 2016-09-27T18:13:17 <cfields_> wumpus: yes. Linux is self-hosted now too.
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678 2016-09-27T18:14:08 <wumpus> the only problem with our own toolchains is that we have to set what CPU and architecture to target and such
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680 2016-09-27T18:14:14 <cfields_> wumpus: the idea would be: very rarely, build new toolchains with gitian and host them. Essentially the same as we do now with the clang toolchain for osx
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682 2016-09-27T18:14:33 <cfields_> wumpus: yep, plug in your triplet, and it builds you a toolchain that just works :)
683 2016-09-27T18:15:08 <wumpus> the compiler is also built determinstically?
684 2016-09-27T18:15:30 <cfields_> yep. Even builds its own glibc and uses it to interpret itself
685 2016-09-27T18:15:37 <wumpus> kanzure: it was weird anyhow
686 2016-09-27T18:15:37 <cfields_> (only in one round, though)
687 2016-09-27T18:16:29 <wumpus> cfields_: so we have to do a gitian round for building the toolchain?
688 2016-09-27T18:16:56 <wumpus> cfields_: I think it makes sense, although it has to be deterministically reproducible over a longer time than typical bitcoin releases I guess
689 2016-09-27T18:17:07 <cfields_> wumpus: we wouldn't have to as it should just work anywhere. But for purity, I think we'd want to
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691 2016-09-27T18:17:43 <sipa> cfields_: does this mean we could build reproducible binaries, directly from depends/, without gitian?
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693 2016-09-27T18:18:48 <wumpus> but how does that work, the toolchain is built and the result is cached like the other depends packages?
694 2016-09-27T18:18:49 <cfields_> sipa: I think it'd be possible, but likely not realistic. Things like $USER and $PATH would be hard to strip out
695 2016-09-27T18:19:49 <wumpus> yes and tons of unix utilities that are used during the build/configure process which may give slightly differnet results on different OSes, the toolchain is not the only thing that reflects in the binaries
696 2016-09-27T18:19:50 <cfields_> wumpus: yea. The caching part isn't done yet, but I was picturing a make BUILD_TOOLCHAIN=true or so, otherwise it attempts to fetch the known pre-built one
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698 2016-09-27T18:20:06 <sipa> cfields_: would you consider that to be future work?
699 2016-09-27T18:20:31 <sipa> (making it deterministic without gitian)
700 2016-09-27T18:20:35 <wumpus> cfields_: you mean, fetch pre-built binaries? that seems like a security risk
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708 2016-09-27T18:21:02 <cfields_> sipa: could be, but I think it'd require a new approach. It essentially needs a chroot at minimum, I think
709 2016-09-27T18:21:33 <wumpus> sipa: I think you need some kind of controlled environment for deterministic building, whether it a chroot or LXC container
710 2016-09-27T18:21:44 <wumpus> sipa: otherwise there's just too much factors that can interfere
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714 2016-09-27T18:22:08 <cfields_> wumpus: right, which is why we'd want them built with gitian. The download would look for a specific pre-generated result and checksum. Same as our osx toolchain download now.
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716 2016-09-27T18:22:49 <cfields_> wumpus: also note that the toolchains are chained. So the old one always builds the new one.
717 2016-09-27T18:23:51 <cfields_> wumpus: again, I'm not married to it. I just wanted to go through it to see what it would take. If you'd prefer a different approach, or not bothering, I'm fine with that. The busted mingw toolchain from Ubuntu just made me grumpy :)
718 2016-09-27T18:24:55 <wumpus> cfields_: well I think building the toolchain to build with, certainly for windows makes sense
719 2016-09-27T18:25:46 <cfields_> wumpus: also worth noting that they're stand-alone and relocatable. So they're still generally useful outside of depends
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722 2016-09-27T18:26:33 <wumpus> I just think that outside of gitian, depends downloading binaries is a bit questionable
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724 2016-09-27T18:26:44 <wumpus> it's not what I would expect at least
725 2016-09-27T18:27:06 <cfields_> wumpus: well, it could default to self-building I suppose
726 2016-09-27T18:27:19 <cfields_> no reason not to, other than it takes a long time.
727 2016-09-27T18:27:32 <wumpus> I think it should default to using the toolchain provided by the user, unless specified otherwise
728 2016-09-27T18:28:10 <wumpus> I mean *generally* if you cross compile you have a toolchain and want to use that
729 2016-09-27T18:28:21 <wumpus> the ubuntu situation is kind of fucked up
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734 2016-09-27T18:29:43 <cfields_> wumpus: sure. But the question is: going forward, how do we specify the toolchains used for releases? I don't think we always want to be at the mercy of the latest $distro packages?
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742 2016-09-27T18:31:50 <wumpus> cfields_: I think we should distinguish two cases here a) gitian builds b) user's depends builds. For the gitian builds it's acceptable to use our own toolchain. Also for depends, if so chosen. But I don't think depends should start out fetching/building a toolchain by default
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744 2016-09-27T18:32:32 <wumpus> cfields_: an example, let's say I'm cross-compiling for ARM. I have my own toolchain which I've built myself specifically for the device I'm cross-compiling to. But I use the depends to build bitcoin's dependencies.
745 2016-09-27T18:32:54 <wumpus> cfields_: I wouldn't expect it to start building a random ARM toolchain, then :)
746 2016-09-27T18:34:39 <wumpus> or ubuntus with broken toolchain we should document how to use our own, alternative toolchain
747 2016-09-27T18:34:42 <wumpus> +for
748 2016-09-27T18:34:44 <cfields_> wumpus: yes. The more reasonable approach would probably be 2 processes. One to build our toolchains, the other to build our depends. One can be plugged into the other for gitian/travis.
749 2016-09-27T18:35:11 <wumpus> at least until ubuntu has cleaned up their act...
750 2016-09-27T18:35:12 <cfields_> (just by setting PATH)
751 2016-09-27T18:35:17 <wumpus> right
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753 2016-09-27T18:36:43 <cfields_> ok. And in that case, we'd want them chained together to eliminate distro reliance, right?
754 2016-09-27T18:37:28 <wumpus> for the gitian builds, absolutely
755 2016-09-27T18:37:47 <wumpus> I completely agree with what you're doing, I just don't think it should be default for depends
756 2016-09-27T18:39:24 <cfields_> ok
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761 2016-09-27T18:41:25 <cfields_> sipa: to answer your question, I'm torn. I think working on a deterministic process like that is interesting, but I think it's more correct and generally useful to do it at a higher level
762 2016-09-27T18:42:17 <cfields_> higher level meaning: fix the tools as needed to allow determinism, then projects can provide their own minimal environments (or use a de-facto one) for stripping out the rest.
763 2016-09-27T18:42:37 <cfields_> There are already several projects like that, I think I'd only be adding noise :)
764 2016-09-27T18:43:04 <sipa> cfields_: ok, just asking :)
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768 2016-09-27T18:47:05 <GitHub86> [bitcoin] MarcoFalke closed pull request #8809: WIP: [qt] rework sync-overlay (master...Mf1609-qtSyncInf) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/8809
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770 2016-09-27T18:48:15 <wumpus> cfields_: yes we should strongly avoid duplicating other project's efforts
771 2016-09-27T18:48:36 <wumpus> we have plenty of issues of our own
772 2016-09-27T18:49:58 <wumpus> and way too few people to handle them...
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777 2016-09-27T19:01:58 <arubi> I'm noticing the same behavior change in my own parser after implementing segwit today: http://paste.debian.net/plainh/40b5ff00 - is parsing supposed to fail on zero inputs txs now?
778 2016-09-27T19:02:35 <sipa> no valid transaction can have zero inputs
779 2016-09-27T19:03:19 <arubi> right, and that would be the case forever?
780 2016-09-27T19:03:44 <sipa> yes, it's a consensus rule
781 2016-09-27T19:04:01 <sipa> and changing it would introduce replay attacks to bitcoin
782 2016-09-27T19:04:29 <sipa> bitcoin core uses some heuristics when parsing input for fundrawtransaction and decoderawtransaction to determine whether it's an incomplete non-segwit transaction instead
783 2016-09-27T19:04:49 <sipa> but i expect that longer term we'll need to move away from using the same serialization for incomplete transactions
784 2016-09-27T19:05:09 <sipa> it becomes very hard to hack things like partial signatures for more complicated scripts into it
785 2016-09-27T19:05:18 <arubi> exactly
786 2016-09-27T19:06:13 <morcos> what were we saying CPU SHA256 speed was in MB/s?
787 2016-09-27T19:06:27 <sipa> 150
788 2016-09-27T19:06:34 <morcos> k, thx
789 2016-09-27T19:06:54 <arubi> sipa, I see, so not really losing anything by not parsing transactions like those anymore, not that I ever used it for anything meaningful. I'll try figuring out how to bail early. thanks
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791 2016-09-27T19:20:40 <jonasschnelli> has the FIBER (relay network) any form of encryption or authentication?
792 2016-09-27T19:21:43 <sipa> BlueMatt: ^
793 2016-09-27T19:22:07 <sipa> (also, it's called FIBRE)
794 2016-09-27T19:22:24 <jonasschnelli> Ah.. it's french :)
795 2016-09-27T19:23:16 <sipa> no, it's Fast Internet Bitcoin Relay Engine :p
796 2016-09-27T19:23:25 <sipa> i assume it is purely IP based, but I don't know
797 2016-09-27T19:23:49 <jonasschnelli> Looking at the code... yes. I think pure IP based.
798 2016-09-27T19:24:16 <sipa> it's also UDP, so BIP151 wouldn't easily apply
799 2016-09-27T19:24:39 <jonasschnelli> So an ISP could easily withhold blocks form certain miners
800 2016-09-27T19:24:57 <jonasschnelli> Yes. I'm bringing this up in my BIP151 talk at the SB
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883 2016-09-27T19:47:41 <BlueMatt> jonasschnelli: it does
884 2016-09-27T19:47:54 <BlueMatt> it has a simple mac key which is a constant per connection
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886 2016-09-27T19:48:03 <BlueMatt> no encryption, just auth
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893 2016-09-27T19:51:50 <sipa> BlueMatt: ah nice
894 2016-09-27T19:52:02 <sipa> no encryption makes sense, there is no private data anyway
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896 2016-09-27T19:53:16 <BlueMatt> sipa: the "addudpnode" stuff requires a "password" for each connection
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