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  6 2016-10-29T01:45:48  <GitHub115> [bitcoin] sipa opened pull request #9039: Various serialization simplifcations and optimizations (master...simpleserial) https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/9039
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 49 2016-10-29T09:59:43  <Bi> Guys, if I have a block with only the coinbase tx and one segwit tx. It takes sha256->sha256 on 64 bytes of data to calculate the witness' merkle - right?
 50 2016-10-29T09:59:58  <Bi> And the first 32 bytes are zero?
 51 2016-10-29T10:00:35  <Bi> While the other 32 bytes is sha256->sha256 of the raw segwit transaction?
 52 2016-10-29T10:01:36  <Bi> It seems very simple, but I must be doing something wrong, beacuse my merkle roots dont match the expected values
 53 2016-10-29T10:02:11  <Bi> Can someone please help me?
 54 2016-10-29T10:07:29  <Bi> Or maybe you could at leat tell me what is wtxid of this transaction: 01000000000101f15a2db447e8316e9f20073ab8bdeac53df1a53d415fbd41e73929699b889e7a0000000017160014fb459699ce9ca78de6d0790121dfb215883acb64ffffffff0100111024010000001976a914fb459699ce9ca78de6d0790121dfb215883acb6488ac02483045022100c5feadba5fbcc28afb940c7ee664bba81830f19a5407ae49cf75f565534b149702200a7c2b6b1b5846a37c434ffe0cae168d6b797de9087a21176f2c9ef6fa9f47aa014104b848ab6ac853cd
 55 2016-10-29T10:07:30  <Bi> 69baaa750c70eb352ebeadb07da0ff5bbd642cb285895ee43f2889dd12642ca0ff9b2489bd82d4d5ca287c4ebdf509f1bcd02d6fa720542e2900000000
 56 2016-10-29T10:08:02  <Bi> it is from this block: https://testnet.blockexplorer.com/block/0000000000000009fdda232a7dfb09682aeb35e04d1437b4ed6a08e9abb479e0
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 58 2016-10-29T10:34:04  <Victorsueca> Bi:  your transaction is supposed to have 2 IDs, the txid as it has always been and the new wtxid
 59 2016-10-29T10:34:55  <Victorsueca> the txid should be sha256(sha256(original serialization format))
 60 2016-10-29T10:35:58  <Victorsueca> the wtxid should be sha256(sha256(new serialization format with witness data))
 61 2016-10-29T10:36:51  <Victorsueca> if your transaction does not have any witness data the txid and the wtxid should be the same
 62 2016-10-29T10:41:24  <Bi> Victorsueca, yes I know all of this
 63 2016-10-29T10:42:07  <Bi> Bu my merkle roots dont match :(
 64 2016-10-29T10:42:45  <Victorsueca> hmmmm
 65 2016-10-29T10:43:48  <Bi> If someone could give me the expected wtxid for the given raw transaction?
 66 2016-10-29T10:49:08  <Victorsueca> weird.... can't decode your hex string using decoderawtransaction
 67 2016-10-29T10:49:51  <Victorsueca> also tried blockchain.info transaction parses but I wouldn't be surprised if that failed anyway
 68 2016-10-29T10:50:05  <arubi> the transaction is fine
 69 2016-10-29T10:50:09  <Bi> This is segwit transaction
 70 2016-10-29T10:50:23  <Bi> it decodes properly here: http://n.bitcoin.ninja/checktx
 71 2016-10-29T10:50:46  <Bi> It is a real tx from testent block #895231
 72 2016-10-29T10:51:06  <Victorsueca> why does bitcoin-cli decoderawtransaction not work then?
 73 2016-10-29T10:51:45  <Bi> I dont know
 74 2016-10-29T10:51:58  <arubi> it works for me..
 75 2016-10-29T10:52:10  <Bi> Make sure to remove all the spaces
 76 2016-10-29T10:52:22  <Victorsueca> ahhh yeah
 77 2016-10-29T10:52:27  <Bi> So what is its wtxid?
 78 2016-10-29T10:52:34  <Victorsueca> IRC added a line jump, forgot about that
 79 2016-10-29T10:54:10  <arubi> Bi, as reported by bitcoin-cli, it's 508e4409c2cdff3d08b54370147cf6bf4d328f8248e4c60941a528b4d0375159 . not sure how much that'll help you
 80 2016-10-29T10:54:25  <Bi> ok, thank you - I have the same one
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 82 2016-10-29T10:54:43  <Bi> But then it doesnt create a correct merkle hash
 83 2016-10-29T10:55:00  <Bi> if you look into this block: https://testnet.blockexplorer.com/block/0000000000000009fdda232a7dfb09682aeb35e04d1437b4ed6a08e9abb479e0
 84 2016-10-29T10:55:28  <arubi> I am
 85 2016-10-29T10:55:41  <Bi> ... it expects segwit merkle root of 554949ea7454928f42158d3554817f70c1fa8ba75e769faa58128ac05d333d28
 86 2016-10-29T10:56:34  <arubi> looks like it, right.  hopefully the hash in the op_return output is actually reversed like you say..  I'm not sure
 87 2016-10-29T10:56:47  <Bi> and when you hash null hash (wtxid of coinbase) followed by this 508e4409c2cdff3d08b54370147cf6bf4d328f8248e4c60941a528b4d0375159 - I get something else
 88 2016-10-29T10:57:21  <Bi> I was trying swapping and not swapping - no success :(
 89 2016-10-29T10:58:03  <Victorsueca> Bi: here's your transaction in JSON format https://softnet.homenet.org/zerobin/?11d833ece4506b4e#IYNmeQ7+/uvT/uZUW6TbikcrQus5TJa8AJruObsa3bY=
 90 2016-10-29T10:58:04  <arubi> but what's in that return output is not just the wtxid merkle root
 91 2016-10-29T10:58:21  <Victorsueca> and here's your block in JSON https://softnet.homenet.org/zerobin/?4e1d5fd2c883f51c#BKcO0qKshmbruiyexoJltMZIMqf4p7OMbzch05rnkQA=
 92 2016-10-29T10:58:35  <Victorsueca> jus queried those from my node
 93 2016-10-29T10:58:38  <arubi> the merkle root is appended the witness reserved value and then hashed hash256 again
 94 2016-10-29T10:59:11  <Bi> oh?
 95 2016-10-29T10:59:13  <Bi> is it?
 96 2016-10-29T10:59:13  <arubi> at least that's what I gathered from bip141
 97 2016-10-29T10:59:50  <Bi> No, it says "A witness root hash is calculated with all those wtxid as leaves, in a way similar to the hashMerkleRoot in the block header."
 98 2016-10-29T10:59:58  <arubi> right, and then...
 99 2016-10-29T11:00:09  <arubi> Double-SHA256(witness root hash|witness reserved value
100 2016-10-29T11:00:13  <arubi> )
101 2016-10-29T11:01:04  <Bi> right - thank you!
102 2016-10-29T11:01:07  <Bi> this must be it
103 2016-10-29T11:01:09  <arubi> also, pretty sure that at least with the wtxid I gave you, you /should/ reverse the bytes.  and also treat the bytes like they are in the commitment hash
104 2016-10-29T11:01:32  <arubi> (so not reversed like you pasted)
105 2016-10-29T11:02:12  <Bi> yes, reversing I knew about
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107 2016-10-29T11:02:29  <Bi> Double-SHA256(witness root hash|witness reserved value) - was the part I missed
108 2016-10-29T11:02:35  <Bi> thanks again
109 2016-10-29T11:02:40  <arubi> cheers Bi
110 2016-10-29T11:05:13  <Bi> Yes, it works no!
111 2016-10-29T11:05:16  <Bi> Cheers
112 2016-10-29T11:05:19  <arubi> yep, tried it too :)
113 2016-10-29T11:05:22  <Bi> now*
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138 2016-10-29T14:16:20  <tonikt> Is the presence of the witness root field (in the coinbase output) mandatory, after SEGWIT activation?
139 2016-10-29T14:17:08  <tonikt> (assuming there are any segwit txs inside the block)
140 2016-10-29T14:20:00  <tonikt> Sorry, I found it. It's the "unexpected-witness" code :)
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144 2016-10-29T15:01:01  <sipa> tonikt: not, not mandatoy
145 2016-10-29T15:03:32  <tonikt> sipa: I think it becomes mandatory, after the activation.
146 2016-10-29T15:03:38  <tonikt> yes?
147 2016-10-29T15:05:41  <tonikt> .. it would go to "if (!fHaveWitness) ..." in ContextualCheckBlock()
148 2016-10-29T15:06:31  <tonikt> .. and then it would find a tx with segwit, and then it would return error "unexpected-witness"
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151 2016-10-29T15:44:53  <Victorsueca> tonikt: non-segwit blocks are supposed to still be valid even after activation
152 2016-10-29T16:05:16  <tonikt> Sure. I was just wondering, after the activation, whether I have to reject blocks without the segwit root
153 2016-10-29T16:05:54  <tonikt> It seemed logical to reject them, but could not find that part of code
154 2016-10-29T16:11:23  <sipa> tonikt: no, if no transaction contains a witness, there is no requirement for a witness commitment
155 2016-10-29T16:12:02  <tonikt> yes - only if there is at least one witness transaction
156 2016-10-29T16:12:06  <sipa> of course
157 2016-10-29T16:12:14  <sipa> then it is mandatory
158 2016-10-29T16:12:22  <tonikt> but I think it also counts coinbase transaction as a possible witness-type?
159 2016-10-29T16:15:21  <tonikt> I have another, more high-level question...
160 2016-10-29T16:15:52  <tonikt> I am on testnet network now and trying to sync up the chain and all my current peers are pre 0.13.0
161 2016-10-29T16:16:06  <tonikt> And I am already on block #893669
162 2016-10-29T16:16:27  <sipa> tonikt: the coinbase witness is not committed to anywhere excet by the commitment in the output
163 2016-10-29T16:16:45  <tonikt> I should not be taking any block data from these peers, should I?
164 2016-10-29T16:16:46  <sipa> tonikt: which means that if you don't have a commitment, you can just remove the coinbase witness
165 2016-10-29T16:17:18  <sipa> without invalidating anything
166 2016-10-29T16:17:27  <sipa> we only download blocks from witness peers, indeed
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168 2016-10-29T16:18:24  <tonikt> sipa: OK - that's interesting. I forgot that removing the witness from CB would not change txid, so it would still validate the block :)
169 2016-10-29T16:19:35  <sipa> indeed
170 2016-10-29T16:20:04  <sipa> if there is no witness commitment, it means that no tx has a witness
171 2016-10-29T16:20:12  <sipa> including the coinbase
172 2016-10-29T16:20:43  <tonikt> OK - all clear now
173 2016-10-29T16:20:46  <tonikt> thanks
174 2016-10-29T16:21:40  <tonikt> do you know any running testnet node where I could connect to fetch some segwith blocks?
175 2016-10-29T16:21:58  <tonikt> all my peers are < 0.13.0 now :)
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177 2016-10-29T16:22:33  <sipa> use x9.seed.bitcoin.sipa.be
178 2016-10-29T16:22:45  <sipa> eh, that's mainnet
179 2016-10-29T16:23:04  <sipa> for testnet i think jonasschnelli's and petertodd's seed support filtering
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181 2016-10-29T16:23:37  <tonikt> if you have a running node, would you just give me an IP, please?
182 2016-10-29T16:24:19  <sipa>
183 2016-10-29T16:25:16  <tonikt> thank you!
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185 2016-10-29T17:13:04  <BlueMatt> uhhhh, preferential peering is quite impressive... https://imgur.com/a/jwH7R
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193 2016-10-29T17:44:28  <sipa> BlueMatt: 174 connections here
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197 2016-10-29T18:14:38  <Victorsueca> used to have 70-80 peers, I have 121 right now
198 2016-10-29T18:18:56  <sipa> i temporarily increased my max connections
199 2016-10-29T18:25:42  <BlueMatt> sipa: i had something like 250 on that node
200 2016-10-29T18:26:21  <BlueMatt> (with some blacklisting of bad nodes)
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202 2016-10-29T18:33:44  <sipa> seems my dns seed has a bug... it's using 400% cpu and is not responding to dns requests
203 2016-10-29T18:34:03  <sipa> yay for multiple implementations
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206 2016-10-29T19:19:31  <sipa> fixed, i think
207 2016-10-29T19:21:55  <sipa> jonasschnelli, petertodd, luke-jr: pushed a bugfix to bitcoin-seeder which could cause infinite loops in the dns handling thread
208 2016-10-29T19:22:27  <luke-jr> sipa: I'm intentionally holding back my version for a little while just to avoid us all using the same code immediately
209 2016-10-29T19:22:42  <luke-jr> is it an exploit, or am I probably okay?
210 2016-10-29T19:22:59  <sipa> luke-jr: you're probably already stuck in an infinite loop
211 2016-10-29T19:23:14  <sipa> is the 'DNS requests' number going up?
212 2016-10-29T19:23:17  <luke-jr> CPU is 100% idle, so I doubt it?
213 2016-10-29T19:23:23  <luke-jr> yes
214 2016-10-29T19:23:24  <sipa> indeed, then i doubt it
215 2016-10-29T19:23:26  <luke-jr> [16-10-29 19:23:24] 591/5717464 available (5713103 tried in 132614s, 3081 new, 1280 active), 4288200 banned; 1851875 DNS requests, 316442 db queries
216 2016-10-29T19:23:59  <sipa> did you upgrade to have filtering support?
217 2016-10-29T19:24:06  <luke-jr> -rw-r--r-- 1 bitcoinpool bitcoinpool 849M Oct 29 18:49 dnsseed.dat <-- is this right? O.o
218 2016-10-29T19:24:09  <luke-jr> no
219 2016-10-29T19:24:34  <luke-jr> (the size)
220 2016-10-29T19:25:01  <sipa> with 11M addresses in your database, i guess yes
221 2016-10-29T19:25:09  <sipa> the question is why do you have so many addresses in there
222 2016-10-29T19:25:18  <sipa> i have 2.5M
223 2016-10-29T19:26:03  <luke-jr> plaintext dump is only 117 MB
224 2016-10-29T19:26:48  <sipa> the dump doesn't contain banned/terrible IPs
225 2016-10-29T19:27:26  <luke-jr> would it matter that I dropped crawler threads to 20 for a long time?
226 2016-10-29T19:27:51  <sipa> 160M -rw-rw-r-- 1 pw pw 160M Oct 29 12:27 dnsseed.dat 54M -rw-r--r-- 1 pw pw  54M Oct 29 12:27 dnsseed.dump
227 2016-10-29T19:28:10  <sipa> it seems you're spending a huge amount of time retrying IPs that are gone
228 2016-10-29T19:28:23  <sipa> your node needs 2 days to cycle through everything
229 2016-10-29T19:28:31  <sipa> it's 15 minutes here
230 2016-10-29T19:28:36  <luke-jr> :o
231 2016-10-29T19:28:58  <luke-jr> I guess variety is worth the overhead?
232 2016-10-29T19:29:11  <sipa> i would say so
233 2016-10-29T19:29:25  <sipa> but i'd still like to understand why yours behaves so differently from mine
234 2016-10-29T19:30:09  <luke-jr> only difference in mine from 11e935b72020607e5c3ce85a88209bc34e427a06 is REQUIRE_VERSION 70001
235 2016-10-29T19:30:41  <luke-jr> ./dnsseed -h dnsseed.bitcoin.dashjr.org -n jun.dashjr.org -p 1053 -t 80
236 2016-10-29T19:32:58  <luke-jr> sipa: some years ago, my server was blackholed semi-regularly for a while due to an upstream/backbone router hating the crawler's access patterns; could blackholing do it?
237 2016-10-29T19:33:12  <luke-jr> ie, maybe it thinks all IPs are sometimes terrible
238 2016-10-29T19:33:55  <sipa> you only have 591 good IPs
239 2016-10-29T19:34:00  <sipa> i have 4000
240 2016-10-29T19:34:26  <sipa> wow, only 3000 suddenly... perhaps due to being offline for a while as a result of that bug
241 2016-10-29T19:34:36  <sipa> usually it's around 4000
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